tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post2645079671294406644..comments2023-11-02T05:00:36.315-04:00Comments on Democratic Convention Watch: RBC Meeting Live-BlogMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02126730290750804530noreply@blogger.comBlogger178125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-10077677126916847592008-05-31T23:58:00.000-04:002008-05-31T23:58:00.000-04:00hootie, the 1/2 vote was chosen by the stat offici...hootie, the 1/2 vote was chosen by the stat officials when they broke the rules for date selection. If they wanted full votes they should have followed the clear date rules.B.J. Herbisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07296786769367903975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-72851535276910325312008-05-31T22:29:00.000-04:002008-05-31T22:29:00.000-04:00C A L V I N B A L L ! ! !H I L L A R Y B A L L s...C A L V I N B A L L ! ! !<BR/><BR/>H I L L A R Y B A L L s ! ! !<BR/>Could see this one coming miles away. Michigan Govenor spilled the beans saying it was campaign strategy. A woman's word should be as good as a man's. Tsk, tsk, tsk !Hobbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08667502528524169772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-15808177635787171812008-05-31T21:12:00.000-04:002008-05-31T21:12:00.000-04:00I guess your REALLY didn't get my meaning of posti...I guess your REALLY didn't get my meaning of posting the outdated constitution version with three fifths of a person followed by my comment - some rules are meant to be broken, dear DNC.Hootiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04020086517992782589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-91629492372281053372008-05-31T21:07:00.000-04:002008-05-31T21:07:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Dink Singerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15138406589320184402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-13896441197022317012008-05-31T20:37:00.000-04:002008-05-31T20:37:00.000-04:00I have to write about today on my blog even if nob...I have to write about today on my blog even if nobody is going to read it. Any suggestion for the Title while I get another beer.Rambling Johnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02214245494840225509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-40003255809583184972008-05-31T20:35:00.000-04:002008-05-31T20:35:00.000-04:00The reason for my question is that the information...The reason for my question is that the information submitted by the staff report (and in the discussion today) indicated that Obama did not vet the delegates in Florida (and until today did not have the right to vet the uncommitted delegates in Michigan). <BR/><BR/>At least to my ears, it was clear from both motions that passed that Obama could and is requesting that the delegate selection process for his delegates begin from scratch in both states (not sure what Edwards will say for Florida). The language of the motions potentially suggests that Clinton needs to do hers over again too. <BR/><BR/>If they go back and do the district delegates for (at least) Obama, the rules are that district delegates need to be selected before add-ons (and some who previously got Obama district slots might want to compete for the add-on slots if they do not get the delegate slot in the second go round).<BR/><BR/>I was wondering if there was anything firm from anyone in the Obama campaign or the two states or the DNC about this issue.tmess2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06331751179859344009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-41465128152437448712008-05-31T20:24:00.000-04:002008-05-31T20:24:00.000-04:00U.S. Constitution Art. 1 Section 2 in part - "Repr...U.S. Constitution Art. 1 Section 2 in part - "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers,WHICH SHALL BE DETERMINED BY ADDING TO THE WHOLE NUMBER OF FREE PERSONS, ..., AND EXCLUDING INDIANS NOT TAXED, THREE FIFTHS OF ALL OTHER PERSONS."<BR/><BR/>Florida and Michigan are now ruled one half of a person.<BR/><BR/>Some rules are meant to be broken Dear DNC.Hootiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04020086517992782589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-10641275236123083052008-05-31T20:21:00.000-04:002008-05-31T20:21:00.000-04:00Mike - I sure hope you're right! I am soooooooo re...Mike - I sure hope you're right! I am soooooooo ready to have this over and have Barack pick his running mate (please please please not Clinton!!)Louhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05786393247425248798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-45376996996506166792008-05-31T20:14:00.000-04:002008-05-31T20:14:00.000-04:00I see Hillary dropping out of the race Sunday or M...I see Hillary dropping out of the race Sunday or Monday, before SD/MT. PR result will provide her the opportunity to leave the stage as a winner. Tuesday will be too late!Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06706346862849520074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-89136838241561975192008-05-31T20:02:00.000-04:002008-05-31T20:02:00.000-04:00This resolution takes away HRC's majority vote arg...This resolution takes away HRC's majority vote argument. Again, it is down to math: will she use the numbers from the faulty primaries, or adjust them in accordance with the resolution? She'll obviously chose the formerMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06706346862849520074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-21220524985845443712008-05-31T19:53:00.000-04:002008-05-31T19:53:00.000-04:00On a lighter note: How do you make two FL/MI super...On a lighter note: <BR/><BR/>How do you make two FL/MI supers into a whole? <BR/><BR/>SUP with one and send one to ER<BR/><BR/>Any idea?...Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06706346862849520074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-32562124622118702902008-05-31T19:41:00.000-04:002008-05-31T19:41:00.000-04:00That just house cleaning. The meat is that it over...That just house cleaning. The meat is that it over!Rambling Johnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02214245494840225509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-28307139936259343522008-05-31T19:33:00.000-04:002008-05-31T19:33:00.000-04:00tmess2--Doesn't look like Florida needs any change...tmess2--Doesn't look like Florida needs any changes.<BR/><BR/>Michigan State Central Committee meets June 14th. I guess they could let the CD delegates from April stand and adjust the at-large delegates due to be selected then so as to reflect the 69/59 split. The uncommitted from the CDs could be designated Obama delegates.<BR/><BR/>I wonder how much they will complicate the process? Since the passed split was the State Party's preferred option, I hope they thought through the rest of the process.The Numantinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04090384560654699706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-39263588711322420262008-05-31T19:30:00.003-04:002008-05-31T19:30:00.003-04:00Are the FL/MI supers halves as well?Are the FL/MI supers halves as well?Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06706346862849520074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-11989697742438011202008-05-31T19:30:00.002-04:002008-05-31T19:30:00.002-04:00tmess, florida has already elected its delegation,...tmess, florida has already elected its delegation, they all go, each only gets 1/2 voteuplandpoethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15950317697423009285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-49297377063941684842008-05-31T19:30:00.001-04:002008-05-31T19:30:00.001-04:00Here are my tentative notes of the vote, unedited:...Here are my tentative notes of the vote, unedited:<BR/><BR/>MOTION #1 - Huffman (CA): "Seat all FL delegates with full vote" | McDonald (WA): "Opposed because it would require going back on established rules" | Atkinson-Gates (NV): "Opposed because it would cause scheduling chaos in 2012" | Flournay (DC): "Support but I'm saddened that this will not pass" | Alice Germond (DC, DNC Sec): "Oppose: we believe in rules" | Mona Pasquil (CA): "Support: sometimes we need to revisit the rules" | FAILS 12-15<BR/><BR/>MOTION #2 - Ralph Dawson (NY): "FL full delegation, half vote: Clinton 52.5, Edwards, 6.5, Obama 33.5 votes; supers half vote" | Alice Huffman (CA): "Support: not what I would've wanted but we need unity" | PASSES 27-0 (Katz not voting)<BR/><BR/>MOTION #3 - Mame Reiley (VA): "MI 1/2 vote: Clinton 34.5 votes; Obama 29.5 votes, supers 1/2 vote" | Donald Fowler (SC): "Support: not first choice" | Harold Ickes: "Oppose: Motion flies in the face of fair reflection... hijacking delegates not a good way to party unity... CLINTON RESERVES RIGHT TO TAKE THIS TO CREDENTIALS COMMITTEE" | Thomas Hynes (IL): "Support: primary flawed, motion fair" | Everett Ward (NC): "Support: [Ickes] exercizes selective amnesia" | Elizabeth Smith (DC): "Oppose: voters rule" | PASSES 19-8 (Brewer not voting)<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.electicker2008.com/" REL="nofollow">http://www.electicker2008.com/</A>Paul G. Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07482297428499919319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-17800204371837483632008-05-31T19:30:00.000-04:002008-05-31T19:30:00.000-04:00Florida is fine as is. (Unless Obama hasn't been v...Florida is fine as is. (Unless Obama hasn't been vetting his delegates).<BR/><BR/>Michigan is a mess that will need to be dealt with.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02126730290750804530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-40471943250278950732008-05-31T19:17:00.000-04:002008-05-31T19:17:00.000-04:00I assume quick delegate selection plans will be pu...I assume quick delegate selection plans will be put out by Florida and Michigan within next 48 hours and tentatively approved by counsel for RBC with schedules for re-selecting delegates. Question for anyone who knows, do the Clinton delegates and add-ons also need to be reselected or are we just talking about Obama's delegates (and maybe only some districts).tmess2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06331751179859344009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-56028773262111777722008-05-31T19:16:00.000-04:002008-05-31T19:16:00.000-04:00Blitzer can hardly digest it on CNN!Blitzer can hardly digest it on CNN!Rambling Johnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02214245494840225509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-91350550509127925572008-05-31T19:15:00.000-04:002008-05-31T19:15:00.000-04:00Motion on the floor!Motion on the floor!Rambling Johnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02214245494840225509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-31891940134616242112008-05-31T19:14:00.000-04:002008-05-31T19:14:00.000-04:00Obama need 64 votes now who want to bet he is gett...Obama need 64 votes now who want to bet he is getting it by the end of the weekend!Rambling Johnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02214245494840225509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-71174973811305139032008-05-31T19:13:00.000-04:002008-05-31T19:13:00.000-04:00I second Alii's statement!!!!!!!!!!!!!I second Alii's statement!!!!!!!!!!!!!Louhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05786393247425248798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-19632318455661602332008-05-31T19:10:00.000-04:002008-05-31T19:10:00.000-04:00Passed!Now SD's open the flood gates - for Obama.Passed!<BR/><BR/>Now SD's open the flood gates - for Obama.Aliihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12097892672455129745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-81427249112485599642008-05-31T19:09:00.000-04:002008-05-31T19:09:00.000-04:00Look like it done! Sleeman time!Look like it done! Sleeman time!Rambling Johnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02214245494840225509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-91415929293024254032008-05-31T19:07:00.000-04:002008-05-31T19:07:00.000-04:00Remember that this 69-59 solution had HUGE support...Remember that this 69-59 solution had HUGE support among MI-demparty, Clinton-camp rejecting this and acting like a bad loser, helps Obama.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783555948953444461noreply@blogger.com