tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post7719505798679928660..comments2023-11-02T05:00:36.315-04:00Comments on Democratic Convention Watch: Superdelegate History TrackerMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02126730290750804530noreply@blogger.comBlogger177125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-41455355979774557532008-06-10T08:03:00.000-04:002008-06-10T08:03:00.000-04:00I agree with the school teacher also. As an Obama ...I agree with the school teacher also. As an Obama supporter from day one I get tired of the unnecessary drivel that seems to cover the internet. "Flag pins", "Pastors", "White", "Black", etc. All are distractions from the reality that this year Barack and Hillary have motivated more new (young and old) voters than ever before in history. We democrats have to come together and help ourselves regain the White House and "BOTH" sides of congress. And, by the way, if you check out McCain's web site and view his photo archives you won't find a flag pin on his lapel in any of the pictures.So where do all these Republican nay-sayers get this right to blast Barack about not wearing one?Frank Costanzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06720220719337921578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-84973279104019948872008-06-06T19:55:00.000-04:002008-06-06T19:55:00.000-04:00retired Colorado Teacher hits is right on the head...retired Colorado Teacher hits is right on the head.<BR/><BR/>I agree.Statistikhengsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14117706673612587798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-44574569634097923822008-06-05T19:00:00.000-04:002008-06-05T19:00:00.000-04:00Hillary will do what is right for the country. Tho...Hillary will do what is right for the country. Those of you who feel you/we have "won", and need to villify her, I say "get over it." This has always been about winning the Presidency for Americans, NOT for blacks, whites, hispanics, white collars, blue collars, women, men, Christians or Muslims or Jews, the rich, the poor, the middle class, Michelle or Bill. Obama now has an incredible burden on his shoulders and we must all come together to help him. If he wants HRC as VP, so be it. Quit making things harder on him by telling him what to do or how hurt you are by the other candidate's actions. I have never seen such childish emotions in the 40 years I have been voting. Wake up Democrats, both old and new! I suported Hillary and will support Obama. Anything less for either BHO or HRC is downright ridiculous at this point. Enough said...I hope.retired Colorado teacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10075012582022928044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-90538437375565960182008-06-05T15:09:00.000-04:002008-06-05T15:09:00.000-04:00To all my friends in Camp Obama: I figured Hillary...To all my friends in Camp Obama: I figured Hillary would find a classy way to make her “exit” from the active campaign. I hope there aren’t too many Obama supporters that take her suspension wrongly. I think the idea of allowing her “PLEDGED” delegates the opportunity to make an historic vote at the convention only shows how inclusive the Democratic Party is and how we can go forth and “Change the world.” With both campaigns working hard we can take control of all three legislative bodies and finally return to caring for America. I do believe that Obama will need Hillary’s strength and expertise when he wins the presidency. He has great credentials around the world as many people see him as a real force for change but he also needs deeper expertise in some arenas where Hillary and others will be great assets.“YES WE CAN”Frank Costanzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06720220719337921578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-18165946486212890932008-06-04T18:40:00.000-04:002008-06-04T18:40:00.000-04:00Thanks, tmess2. I now note (according to this won...Thanks, tmess2. I now note (according to this wonderful website) Obama has 421.5 Sd's which puts him well over the majority of what appears to be a total of 823.5 Sd's that will be in attendance in Denver. I feel better.Theresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16660578137103229845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-46298624046057142672008-06-04T18:37:00.000-04:002008-06-04T18:37:00.000-04:00Obama will pick the VP. Any talk of the conventio...Obama will pick the VP. Any talk of the convention choosing otherwise is just sillyness. Obama has the votes to be the nominee, and those same votes will confirm his choice for VP.Peter Zengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072282360761033194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-84017651946888410952008-06-04T18:12:00.000-04:002008-06-04T18:12:00.000-04:00Theoretically, the delegates to the convention can...Theoretically, the delegates to the convention can nominate whomever they choose as Vice-President. However, for the most part, they have traditionally gone with the recommendation of the nominee. <BR/><BR/>Until Senator Obama makes a decision, I don't know how you would track the intention of the delegates. Right now, you haves some "respectfully" suggesting that Clinton be the pick. Most of those making the suggestions immediately make it clear that they are only offering a "suggestion." I don't think you will have many (at least of the unpledged delegates who have been there before and know the unwritten rules) who would state an intent to try to nominate Clinton for VP if she were not the pick as that would have a major negative impact on the possibility of her being picked. <BR/><BR/>Of course, if someone else is Obama's recommendation, then you might be able to measure support for the Clinton delegates trying to fight that decision at the convention.tmess2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06331751179859344009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-45479631831063193432008-06-04T15:24:00.000-04:002008-06-04T15:24:00.000-04:00Hi, guys. Thanks so much for your great site. No...Hi, guys. Thanks so much for your great site. Now that the nominee has been decided, I have been reading ominous articles / posts about Senator Clinton's additional opportunity to hijack the nomination process by perhaps forcing herself, with help from President Clinton, as the Vice-Presidential pick. See this article from Bob Beckel at RealClearPolitics: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/if_clinton_wants_to_be_vp_obam.html<BR/><BR/>Is it possible to start keeping track of which delegates (super and pledged) do, or do not, want to see a Clinton/Obama ticket? Perhaps something along the lines of whether the delegate will adhere to what is requested of him by Obama given that Obama has the majority of super- and pledged delegates? Is this type of interloping by Clinton even possible at the convention, or am I just being paranoid? I am sorely afraid of the problems a Clinton/Obama ticket will create in the GE, to say nothing of the WH! Thanks again!Theresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16660578137103229845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-23561720902806175802008-06-04T15:02:00.000-04:002008-06-04T15:02:00.000-04:00Matt:You may want to consider updated the delegate...Matt:<BR/><BR/>You may want to consider updated the delegate count daily now that we are at the end of the process - to wait for Sunday will make it less relevant. Just a thought.Bradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05961083512614402237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-38662204137945018312008-06-04T13:40:00.000-04:002008-06-04T13:40:00.000-04:00In WA, Ron Simms has announced he's switching from...In WA, Ron Simms has announced he's switching from Clinton to Obama: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/seattlepolitics/archives/140368.aspRoberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11653733672147470663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-62458488234110154762008-06-03T13:51:00.000-04:002008-06-03T13:51:00.000-04:00AP has just posted that Obama has won the Democrat...AP has just posted that Obama has won the Democratic nomination. On to the race!Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16406710585741709575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-6353713719727067852008-06-02T23:12:00.000-04:002008-06-02T23:12:00.000-04:00John McCain wishes he was a superdelegate.<I><A HREF="http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-02-19-mccain-roe_x.htm" REL="nofollow">John McCain</A> wishes he was a superdelegate.</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-88896099399381457542008-06-01T13:25:00.000-04:002008-06-01T13:25:00.000-04:00http://news.aol.com/story/_a/obama-picks-up-nevada...http://news.aol.com/story/_a/obama-picks-up-nevada-superdelegate/n20080601034509990004<BR/><BR/>Annother Superdelegate pick up for Clinton in NevadaDanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05270416768188186705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-90100288621246177452008-05-28T23:23:00.000-04:002008-05-28T23:23:00.000-04:00tenzin chime:This is a "nomination" process for a ...tenzin chime:<BR/>This is a "nomination" process for a party, not a General Election. There is no "one person, one vote" right in this process. If someone doesn't like the party rules, they are free to join, or vote, in another party. Quite true that it makes no sense for superdelegates to vote in their state and as a superdelegate, but again, it's not a "one person, one vote" Constitutional process. It's a "party nomination" not a General Election. And folks are also free to run for the DNC in their state and try to change the rules.LindaShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13698710018324625785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-72428207029209429612008-05-28T08:53:00.000-04:002008-05-28T08:53:00.000-04:00I do not understand for the life of me why the dem...I do not understand for the life of me why the democratic nomination process has to be so darned complicated. Whatever happened to 'one person, one vote'? Didn't the so-called 'super delegates' already get a chance to vote in their own state's primarys as citizens. Why should they get two votes. This makes no sense to me at all. It is almost as confusing as the Florida chad mess from before.Tenzin Chimehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14069305457302694693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-72280390378985596292008-05-28T03:49:00.000-04:002008-05-28T03:49:00.000-04:00I have done a detailed analysis as to whether HRC ...I have done a detailed analysis as to whether HRC can pull ahead <A HREF="http://rosenthalswelt.blogspot.com/2008/05/can-clinton-pull-ahead-in-pv-update.html" REL="nofollow">in the PV, here on my blog</A>.<BR/><BR/>Only if you include MI, which is patently unfair, since not a vote was cast for Obama in MI since he played by the rules there and she did not- is she already slightly ahead.<BR/><BR/>But with FL in the mix, she is not ahead.<BR/><BR/>FACIT: to truly pull ahead, Clinton must win a 500,000+ vote MARGIN in Puerto Rico in order to clinch the PV. And she will not.<BR/><BR/>Go read my stats. I worked up three scenarios.Statistikhengsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14117706673612587798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-53334738789653523182008-05-28T03:42:00.000-04:002008-05-28T03:42:00.000-04:00Hollywood Mark:He probably has more than 100 of th...Hollywood Mark:<BR/><BR/>He probably has more than 100 of the remaining supers. Supers like Carter who have not yet announced, but whose sympathies are crystal clear.<BR/><BR/>Also, I have calculated over and over - Clinton must get a 500,000 to 513,000 vote MARGIN in PR in order to overtake Obama in the PV. He is still ahead by 435,000 and will pick up around 70,000 between MT and SD, which means she needs to win PR with 76% oF the PV, assuming that 1,000,000 Puerto Ricans vote.<BR/><BR/>So, the myth that she will pull ahead in the PV is just that: a myth.Statistikhengsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14117706673612587798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-11232183768798802372008-05-27T05:50:00.000-04:002008-05-27T05:50:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.J.J. Emersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06005635061756895272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-28809485467561506612008-05-27T05:49:00.000-04:002008-05-27T05:49:00.000-04:00@Hollywood Mark's antagonists:His comments seem to...@Hollywood Mark's antagonists:<BR/><BR/>His comments seem to be only tangentially related to "Super Delegate History" and I wonder why he even persists in pursuing a conversation that isn't substantially tied to the topic of the post. Remember, if we engage him, we will be guilty of the same off-topic posting. In all likelihood, engaging him will successfully enlist us in his likely goal: trolling.<BR/><BR/>His "devil's advocate" position has little credibility. After admitting to being a devil's advocate, he clearly admits (implicitly) to attacking Obama's position, as he claims to simultaneously be a "strong Obama backer". O.K. Fair's fair. I'll try to take him at his word. His "attacks" then are merely devil's advocacy to test and improve the strength of Obama's position.<BR/><BR/>How then do we square his reaction to LindaS? He claims she called him names (the implication being that the names weren't nice) and shamed him and was vindictive to boot.<BR/><BR/>Well, LindaS may very well not have been terribly polite, but nor was she rude. I find no "shaming" nor any "vindictiveness". And the only name I see that might be remotely insulting is "apologist". In fact, an Obama-"devil's advocate" would very much be acting as an apologist for Clinton, by the definition of the term "devil's advocate". Moreover, such an advocate (as a consequence of their role) would in fact credibly imply that Obama is destroying the party (all in Obama's ultimate interests of course).<BR/><BR/>So, considering that every "accusation" that LindaS has made towards Hollywood Mark is completely consistent with his admission to being a devil's advocate, one wonder's why Hollywood Mark would at all feel the need to claim injury from LindaS. A simple clarification would have sufficed.<BR/><BR/>Of course this is an easy question to answer. In fact, Hollwood Mark is likely a troll, who is trying to bait the commenters here into rebutting his posts. As a result, I recommend that we not feed the troll.J.J. Emersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06005635061756895272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-50264261207736544712008-05-27T02:40:00.000-04:002008-05-27T02:40:00.000-04:00LindaS you got me wrong. I was just playing devil'...LindaS you got me wrong. I was just playing devil's advocate. Please don't shame me. Please don't be vindictive. I was just raising the question. Please don't call me names. I will vote for Obama over McCain in the fall. Please don' t put me on a list. All I did was raise a couple of questions which have been answered very well and with great style. Jeesh.Hollywood Dodger Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03328200347008137083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-51275827506598520162008-05-27T01:16:00.000-04:002008-05-27T01:16:00.000-04:00hollywood mark:yep, you're a real Obama supporter ...hollywood mark:<BR/>yep, you're a real Obama supporter alright--nice try at attempting to push a "popular vote" idea that then paints Obama as the destroyer of the party.LindaShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13698710018324625785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-60532659018266011022008-05-27T00:26:00.000-04:002008-05-27T00:26:00.000-04:00April, you may not believe it, but I did vote for ...April, you may not believe it, but I did vote for Hillary. But I am a Democrat first, and a Hillary supporter second. By the rules that everyone agreed to prior to the start of the race (including Senator Clinton), Senator Obama is the winner. This current situation is a lot like the run-off situation we still have in a lot of southern states. One candidate has 49% and the other is several percentage back. Technically, the trailing candidate has the right to continue to fight during the run-off, but the odds of winning are slim and all the fight does is eat up resources for the general.tmess2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06331751179859344009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-77257421648796697822008-05-27T00:00:00.000-04:002008-05-27T00:00:00.000-04:00what a charade: pretending to argue with each othe...what a charade: pretending to argue with each other, while you both pretend to be Obama supporters.<BR/><BR/>btw HRCs money came from the lobbyists. Obama's from the people. <BR/><BR/>only delegate count for anything at all. next thing HRC will say its only states with an "R" in the name that count. :D hahahahahahahahSirocohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16087752758370259702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-68629635853275398042008-05-26T23:17:00.000-04:002008-05-26T23:17:00.000-04:00tmess2--I highly doubt you're a Hillary supporter,...tmess2--<BR/><BR/>I highly doubt you're a Hillary supporter, or you wouldn't say it's over... Obama fans used to say it wouldn't be fair for the supers to override the "will of the people," but now that's exactly what Obama fans want the supers to do... We all know who is more electable... It's because of money and strategy that BO is currently ahead in delegates, and that's different from the will of the people...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06455437364889863442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18747118.post-85595798229809674622008-05-26T21:57:00.000-04:002008-05-26T21:57:00.000-04:00The only way it goes to a floor fight is if Clinto...The only way it goes to a floor fight is if Clinton does not concede the nomination. Even then Obama gets the nomination. Which sort of explains what is frustrating so many of us who voted for Clinton. We voted for Clinton because we thought she was a better candidate than Obama not because we wanted to see the Democratic Party destroyed in a battle between two good candidates. The fight has been fought, the numbers are in, the voters have indicated their choice for the nominee by the only system that counts under the rules -- the delegates -- and it's time to move on to the real battle -- November.tmess2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06331751179859344009noreply@blogger.com