Saturday, March 01, 2008

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Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

I HOPE THIS NEW THRED IS NOT CONSUMED BY ACCUSATIONS OF RACISM OR IDIOTS CALLING DEMOCRATS REPUBLICANS JUST BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA, OR BECAUSE THEY WOULD CHOOSE MCCAIN OVER OBAMA IN NOVEMBER, BETTER WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WILL DO NOW THEN, AND MAKE A FULLY INFORMED DECISION, THAN HIDE OUR INTENTIONS UNTIL AFTER A LOSING CANDIDATE IS NOMINATED

PERHAPS A LITTLE REALISTIC TALK ABOUT HOW INSIGNIFICANT WINNING "RED" STATES WOULD BE REFRESHING

lectricgenius said...

For a democrat to vote for anyone other than a democrat means that they would have to sacrifice their beliefs.

To vote Republican, you:

1) Vote for someone who has disregard for civil liberties

2) Vote for someone who has disregard for the constitution

3) Vote for someone who does not believe a woman has the right of choice

4) Vote for someone for will further the religious theocracy which the neo-cons and Bush have started

5) Vote for someone who has no plan for the economy whatsoever

6) Vote for someone who has more care for business than they do for women, children, the poor, etc. Who will create more giveaways for these corps, and reduce all social programs trageted at those who need it

These things are what you will get with ANY republican. These things are traditional "core democratic values". If you are so willing to foresake them, I personally do not see who you can consider yourself a democrat.

protactinium said...

Well I believe the definiation of a democrat is someone who votes for the democratic party.

So if one are to vote republican. That by definiation would make them an republican. You could make the arguement your an independant, but not a democrat.

Jamie said...

After reading today's Washington Post article on the Clinton campaign, it appears to me that in the end Hillary lost this campaign, versus Obama winning it. FYI, I support Obama. It seems obvious that the voting patterns are pretty strong and distinct, and that the outcome of each race has been largely a function of the demographics within each contest. Hillary's coalition may actually be larger (women are the largest and most prized voting group), but her campaign's ineptitude and inability to get the vote out after Super Tuesday probably will prove to be fatal. Maybe the outcome is appropriate if it is an indication of her ability to lead and manage.

Having said all of that, I am becoming increasingly interested in a combined ticket. I am against the war in Iraq, so I don't want to lose sight of beating McCain. I think this nominating process will not end until the primaries do. If the superdelegates haven't settled the nomination by that time, I think a combined ticket is the only solution to avoiding a blood bath at the convention and assuring a victory over McCain.

protactinium said...

Hillary would not be a vp under Obama. However I do think Obama offering Hillary the health postion in the cabinet is a much better solution.

Obama needs to get an experinced vp, or a national security vp.

timeforchange said...

Many Hillary supporters like me (I'm an independent) just cannot support Obama for all the reasons mentioned.

Early on posting here, I said I had a gut feeling about Obama and now revelations about his "wink wink" NAFTA policy and other fibs and lies he's told have confirmed this feeling.

As mentioned already, he is pompous, self serving, not all that patriotic, a plagiarizer (using others' words without attribution), and unsettling. His wife is much the same. It is obvious they are racists in sheep's clothing.

On the other hand Hillary is a proven entity who has worked hard most of her adult life for children, better education in AR, health care and much more.

Something about her being so solid and Obama being so nebulous makes me support her much more.

Obama is described in an article I posted as unbending, stubborn and not wanting to reach across the isle about many things.

In other words, HE IS NOT WHAT HE APPEARS TO BE!!

timeforchange said...

Some troubling things from Obama's Dreams from my Father....

Yet on whom does Barack’s memoir focus? On his father – whom Barack, against all evidence (which suggests that Dr. Obama was colossally selfish and narcissistic), seeks to portray as heroic, sympathetic, indeed near-mythic. Obama père was a polygamist (and a lousy husband to all his wives), but Barack gives no indication that he finds this morally problematic; on the contrary, he seems determined to excuse his father’s many failings as consequences of imperialism, colonialism, and/or racism. One can, of course, well understand why a small boy – or even a young man – might idealize out of all proportion the father he never met. But Obama shows few signs in this book of recognizing that he’s doing this. Meanwhile, perversely, he treats his mother and grandparents, who by his own account raised him with extraordinary devotion, all but dismissively.

At one point he even suggests that Gramps and Toot were really racists – and that all white people, in fact, are racists, and that black people have been so deformed by this racism that black individuals can hardly be held responsible for their own moral lapses.
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So, it seems there are many underlying skeletons and troubling skewed perspectives in Obama's closet.

Maybe this is one of the things I sense in his rhetoric -- his narccisism and deep seetead suspicion of whites. If it is easy for him to dismiss those who raised him, then it must be much easier to dismiss whites as an ethnic group.

timeforchange said...

Below are some other reasons I don't like Obama and don't trust him. It worries me that we are seeing a cult following and mentality about Obama which is never good for objective thinking and reasoning.

By Bruce Bawer

Everybody’s gaga over Barack Obama. Or so it sometimes seems. People whose judgment I deeply respect are in ecstasy over the prospect of the junior senator from Illinois being elected President. Some of them have heard him speak live and have come away enchanted. For my part, I’ve seen him talk and debate and have read as much as I can find about his positions. The result? I’ve appreciated some stands he’s taken – and been extremely offended by others. I’ve noted some signs of what may actually be real principle and courage – as well as classic examples of political waffling, cynicism, and expediency. I can see that he’s smart, charming, and articulate – but, unlike some people, I don’t see him as some knight in shining armor who’s going to deliver us from government as usual.

timeforchange said...

More:::::

Forget the content of our character; this is a work preoccupied with skin color. It’s drenched with the legacy of Malcolm X (whom Obama, at least in this book, openly idolizes). At times it’s as if there were no historical injustices in the world other than those visited upon blacks by whites. Obama routinely refers to other black men (but never white men) as “brothers”; he exhibits considerably more concern for the dignity of black men than for that of women or non-black men; and he’s acutely sensitive to perceived racial slights (yet even as he deplores the subordination of blacks in America, curiously enough, he appears to accept as his due his family’s lofty position in Kenya). While occasionally gesturing toward an ideal of colorblindness à la Dr. King, in his heart of hearts he’s anything but colorblind, fervently endorsing black solidarity while repeatedly expressing distrust of, and even contempt for, whites. When, lamenting Kenya’s intertribal rivalries, he tells a relative that “We’re part of one tribe. The black tribe. The human tribe,” the last three words feel like an afterthought – as does his attempt, in the book’s closing pages, to move beyond strict racial line-drawing and to articulate broader sympathies. As if all this weren’t enough, it seems clear by book’s end that his heart’s home is not America but Kenya

protactinium said...

Timeforchange- Atleast you admit your an anti-obama voter, and no democrat.

I also find it obvious that you have no only an issue with Obama because he is black. Which in not an argueable issue. If you are a hate monger you will only vote on hate.

"he exhibits considerably more concern for the dignity of black men than for that of women or non-black men"

"tells a relative that “We’re part of one tribe. The black tribe. The human tribe,” the last three words feel like an afterthought –"

"At one point he even suggests that Gramps and Toot were really racists – and that all white people, in fact, are racists, and that black people have been so deformed by this racism that black individuals can hardly be held responsible for their own moral lapses."

Now I find it aweful Ironic, than you no more about my canidite then you do about you own. Why dont you keep the smut off the blogs and actually hit Obama on issues. Instead of looking for every little peice of crap you can cut and paste like a monkey.

lectricgenius said...

Pro-

They forget that there is an endless supply of negative material on the Clintons. Some of which is even new and happening right now.

I suppose we could forget the facts and the truth and begin to endlessly post lies here as they do...

timeforchange said...

Whoever keeps calling me a copy and paste monkey, hope you're having fun.

At least I substantiate my opinions with like ones and facts and that is why I copy and paste.

I know it hurts to realize your messiah is racist, a liar and a plagiarist so if calling other people names to try to discredit them and bolster your guy, feel free to do so.

timeforchange said...

JP Morgan Chase & Co - $282,387
Goldman Sachs - $474,428
Lehman Brothers - $274,147
UBS (ag) - $298,180
Citigroup - $247,436
Google - $192,808
Time Warner - $190,091
etc….

And who says he’s “not in their pockets”?

just_thinking said...

Tony Rezko is going on Trial this week, WTF?

Why should it be Illegal to steal Money from Low-Income housing projects to give Money to Barack Obama?

Shouldn't Barack Obama, being the Messiah, be able to have his friends steal from the poor and allow them to Shiver without Heat in the Chicago winter?

Come on People Vote Obama so more poor people will get whats coming to them!!!

the poor do not need all that food or healthcare either, they should send their grocery money to barack obama so he can come to power and deny EVERYONE of those poor freeloaders their healthcare!

screw hillary she wants to save babies lives and help poor people, she evn tried to bring more equal rights for gays and blacks during her husbands terms, until the HONEST REPUBLICANS STOPPED THAT, by distracting us with her husbands affairs, screw hillary she CARES TOO MUCH, about ALL Americans Especially Those FREELOADING BABIES

timeforchange said...

Obama's dismal record in IL:

NO SB 230 (1997)
To prohibit partial-birth abortion unless necessary to save
the life of a mother and makes performance of the procedure
a Class 4 felony for the physician.
NO HB 709 (2000)
To prohibit state funding of abortion and induced miscarriages
except when necessary to save the life of the mother.
Excludes premature births from funding except to produce
a viable child when necessary to save the life of a
mother. Would permit funding in cases of rape or incest
when payment is authorized under federal law.
NO SB 1661 (2002)
A part of the Born Alive Infant Protection Package. Would
create a cause of action if a child is born alive after an abortion
and the child is then neglected through failure to provide
medial care after birth.
CRIME
NO SB 381 (1997)
To require prisoners to pay court costs for frivolous lawsuits
against the state.
NO SB 485 (1999)
To give no offer of “good time” for sex offenders sentenced
to the County Jail.
*Obama was the only vote against this measure
UNIONS
YES HB 3396 (2003)
To make unionization easier by not requiring a secret ballot
to organize if 50% of the eligible workers publicly sign a
card of support for unionization.
YES SB 230 (2003)
Entitles a teacher who is elected as an officer of the state or
national teacher’s union to be granted a leave of absence for
up to six years, or the period of time the teacher is serving.
YES SB 1070 (2003)
Allows college graduate assistants who teach college
courses be eligible to join a union.
CHILD PROTECTION
PRESENT SB 609 (2001)
To restrict the location of buildings with “adult” uses
(meaning pornographic video stores, strip clubs, etc.) within
1,000 feet of any public or private elementary or second
 
9
ary school, public park, place or worship, preschool, daycare
facility, mobile park or residential area.
NO HB 1812 (1999)
To require school boards to install software on public computers
accessible to minors to block sexually explicit material.
TAXES
NO SB 1075 (1999)
To create an income tax credit for all full-time K-12 pupils in
an amount equal to 25% of qualified education expenses up
to a maximum of $500 per family.
YES SB 1725 (2003)
To restore the Illinois Estate Tax.
YES SB 1733 (2003)
To impose a Gas Use Tax on the purchase of natural gas
from outside the state of Illinois for use or consumption in
Illinois. Forces the delivering supplier to pay 2.4 cents per
therm of gas, or the customer can elect to become a “selfassessing”
purchaser and pay 5% of the purchase price or
2.4 cents per therm.
ELECTIONS
YES SB 1415 (2003)
To create public funding for supreme court races.
GAY RIGHTS
NOT VOTING HB 581 (2003)
Allows domestic partners to be allowed to assume the
rights of a spouse or survivor with regards to pension benefits
under the Chicago Teacher’s pension system.
NO SB 228 (1997)
Changes the “Illinois Equal Opportunity Act of 1997” to stipulate,
notwithstanding any law to the contrary, any unit of
government or school district that gives benefits to samesex
couples under any criteria must give equal benefits to
heterosexual couples.
DRUGS
YES SB 880 (2003)
To allow the purchase of 10 hypodermic needles from a
pharmacy without a prescription.
PRESENT HB 2000 (4659)
To establish a zero-tolerance drug-testing policy for
Department of Corrections Employees
BUSINESS
NO SB 777 (1999)
To end the unemployment insurance fund building tax.
NO SB 879 (1999)
To end the minimum contribution tax rate for the unemployment
system.
NO SB 795 (2001)
To reduce employers’ minimum contribution insurance rate.
YES SB 796 (2003)
To increase the Illinois minimum wage from $5.15 per hour
to $6.50 per hour.

timeforchange said...

Since persons attempting to join the military are not allowed to do so due to past drug use, how can Obama possibly be Commander in Chief of a military who disallows members who have done so?

Substance misuse
The causes for rejection for appointment, enlistment, and induction are:
"(3) The repeated self-procurement and self-administration of any drug or chemical substance, including cannabinoids or anabolic steroids, with such frequency that it appears that the applicant has accepted the use of or reliance on these substances as part of his or her pattern of behavior."
http://www.military.com/Recruiting/Conte...g,,00.html

This rule would disqualify him from joining the military.

This added information changes the circumstances quite a bit. How could you be allowed to command the military, if the same military wouldn't accept you because of frequent marijuana and cocaine use? Now, this is in fact a true case of being a double standard.

protactinium said...

"with such frequency that it appears that the applicant has accepted the use of or reliance on these substances as part of his or her pattern of behavior."

This section is a very important part of your supposed smear arguement. He did do drugs in college for a bit. He has come clean and says it is wrong. Atleast he is honest. However it being a pattern of behavior or him considering it acceptable use if a over blown statement.

So in fact what you say is wrong. Obama would be allowed in the military.

timeforchange said...

As far as Obama and past drug use goes, I personally have ZERO tolerance.

How can a US President (including Bush whom I dispise) preside over a country where ZERO tolerance is the standard.

It doesn't matter if the drug use was in the past.

People who can't say NO to drugs don't deserve to hold the highest office in the land.

They gave up that privilege by behaving badly. Period.

End of discussion.

Annette M said...

Seventeen-Steps. Annette's Solution To End the 2008 Democratic Primary Chaos.

1. After weeks of secret negotiations, Howard Dean convinces Antonin Scalia that 3 billion dollars is a pretty decent payoff. Er, retirement.

2. Scalia calls a press conference to announce his intention to retire soon. When asked why, he comments that it is because the Constitution annoys and confuses him. When asked WHEN he plans to retire, he replies that he will retire on the day after the next Presidential Inauguration. When asked why he has to wait until that exact date, he responds it is for ‘a number of personal reasons.’

3. Howard Dean presents a deal in a secret meeting with Hillary and Barack. Barack will drop out of the race and Hillary will put Barack on the ticket as her VP. After elected, Hillary will immediately step down and let President Obama appoint her to the Supreme Court to fill Scalia’s position.

4. Hillary agrees, if she can just get to be President for one day, please.

5. Barack agrees. Without pre-conditions.

6. Later that evening, Barack tells his wife in confidence that he has serious concerns regarding the damage he will be doing to the Supreme Court. His wife tells him to cut the crap, because if he thinks she went through this whole damn campaign just to spend four years as the wife of the VICE President, he’s got his head up his ass. Screw the Supreme Court.

7. Later that same evening, Hillary tells her husband in confidence that she has serious concerns regarding the damage she will be doing to the National Security. Bill points out that she apparently forgot how pissed off she used to get at those frequent middle-of-the-night phone calls when he was President and all those frequent middle-of-the-night national security emergencies came up. Screw national security.

8. The two candidates schedule a joint press conference, where Barack announces that he is dropping out of the race.

9. One of the cracker-jack investigative reporters in the crowd asks whether that massive banner across the stage that reads “Clinton/Obama” means that Clinton has asked Obama to be her VP. Hillary giggles and says yes.

10. When asked how he feels about this sudden development, Barack says this is the most fun that he’s had since that time he got to play in that bouncy thing at his friend Mikey’s fourth birthday party.

11. Barack closes the press conference with a special statement to his supporters. He says that he would like to assure his supporters that they should vote for the Clinton/Obama ticket because he promises them that they won’t be sorry. Honest. Really. He says he can’t go into details just yet for ethical reasons, but begs his supporters to vote for the ticket even though Hillary – whom he admires and respects greatly [wink, wink] – isn’t quite what they had in mind. Please just go along with it. Really.

12. The Clinton/Obama ticket wins the election.

13. The day after the Inauguration, Scalia calls a press conference to make his resignation official. He says “I hate to rush you all, but that’s all I have time to say for now. You’ll have to excuse me, but I have some urgent retirement-related business to tend to.”

14. Moments later, a small bank somewhere in the Cayman Islands receives a wire transfer of 3 billion dollars from someone who calls himself ‘God’ but who refuses to give his last name.

15. That very afternoon, Hillary stuns the public when she announces that she is stepping down from the Presidency immediately. When asked why, she comments that she had forgotten what a dump the White House is, and then reminds Americans that she never said a word about what she would do on Day Two.

16. Barack is sworn in as President. His first act as President is to nominate Hillary as Scalia’s replacement. She receives Senate approval in less than 30 minutes.

17. Barack’s childhood friend, Mikey, finds himself off doing interviews with Larry King, and Bill Clinton is later sighted making sudden and substantial investments in a formerly little-known company that rents out bouncy things to children’s birthday parties.


Annette :)

protactinium said...

thats a very intreasting story Annette.

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timeforchange said...

NY dem!

LOL! LOL!

Hillary certainly is more ready than Obama.

I'm sure she got a few pointers from Bill (which everyone is afraid to mention) and heard some of the decisions and discussions that went on.

Not to mention she went to many foreign countries and learned how to deal diplomatically with foreign leaders.

timeforchange said...

As far as Obama and past drug use goes, I personally have ZERO tolerance.

How can a US President (including Bush whom I dispise) preside over a country where ZERO tolerance is the standard.

It doesn't matter if the drug use was in the past.

People who can't say NO to drugs don't deserve to hold the highest office in the land.

They gave up that privilege by behaving badly. Period.

End of discussion.

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

Youthful drug use is irrelevant to me i personally find connections to william ayers, and rezko much more definable as his most serious character flaw

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

I am definately not the morals police i just want someone with proven and sound reasoning who i believe is capable of making tough decisions to keep america safe!

this 3am issue cuts straight to the heart, plus his dealing with rezko are so perverted by the fact that poor black folks in chicago had to go without heat in the winter because obama and rezko found it more practical to spend the heating bill on obama's campaign, and when he feel short he had money from Terrorist William Ayers Donate too!

he needs to answer this or he can NEVER become president.

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

those are my reasons for what i consider my "nucleur" option in voting for mccain, this and the fact i believe him and his supporters frivilously throw down the race card

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

those reasons above are why his campaign can't fool quite enough people in the big states heck here in NY my PRIMARY concern is PREVENTION of another 9/11 but these obama supporters say i am racist when i disagree he is capable of doing this, I seriously think they are all gonna cry if obama wins the nom. and then loses ny, fl, and tx. over SECURITY, they will prolly cry foul racism then too!

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

and how do you "UNITE" with someone after you pick a fight with them and call them racist?

lectricgenius said...

Well, lookie here...

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?pid=294631

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/181749.php

http://wonkette.com/364608/nafta-talk-started-with-hillary

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/report_naftagate_leaker_said_h.php

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

can anyone here explain why barack obama's foreign policy advisor saying in her own words obama "is not ready for that 3am phone call"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHOX3BNW5kA

how is this guy gonna win an election?

timeforchange said...

Anonymous Ny Democrat has left a new comment on the post "Open Thread":

Youthful drug use is irrelevant to me i personally find connections to william ayers, and rezko much more definable as his most serious character flaw


Not to me. Perhaps the same character flaws are what led him to his youthful drug use.

The connections are important and serious also.

I do not see how we can make laws against drug us (youthful and otherwise) and have the leader of this country as a former druggie!

Makes absolutely no sense to me.

ZERO tolerance eliminates quite a few people from becoming president but that's too bad.

There are many others who did not use drugs who are equally or more qualified to hold the highest office.

timeforchange said...

After mention of Ayers by NY dem, I had to look him up.

Obama says he is the one with the judgment for that 3am call.

I don't think so. Seems his judgment regarding who he associates himself with is a bit troublesome.

And it is really scary to think he might be picking up that phone:

Friday, February 15, 2008
Obama's Chicago blues: Ayers and Rezko
Nothing new, of course, to the readers of Marathon Pundit, but this Bloomberg News report covers some of the items in Barack Obama's background that his campaign would prefer to keep hidden--Tony Rezko, of course, but also his contacts with the repugnant Bill Ayers, the former Weather Underground terrorist, and Obama's race-based Trinity United Church of Christ.

Obama's endorsement of Alexi Giannoulias for Illinois State Treasurer also is mentioned. Giannoulias was an officer at his family-owned Broadway Bank in Chicago, and approved a loan to Michael "Jaws" Giorango, a convicted bookmaker and reputed mobster. Shortly after be becoming a US senator, Obama said he didn't want to be "a kingmaker." But by endorsing Giannoulias over the party slated candidate, he did just that. Even after Alexi won the primary, the state Democratic Party chairman, Michael Madigan, refused to endorse Giannoulias. He won anyway.

timeforchange said...

Regarding Obama's connection to Ayers:

The facts are quite clear:

1. William Ayers conducted terrorist attacks inside the United States and against the U.S. Government. He does not consider himself a terrorist, but he admits he did the acts.
2. Barack Obama has had a long standing relationship with Ayers and is quite knowledgeable of his past.
3. Barack and Ayers served together on the Wood Fund. I am told, but have not yet confirmed, that they steered money to an individual who is under Federal indictment. If that is true, life gets more interesting.
4. William Ayers made a small financial contribution to Obama’s first campaign. In the total scheme of things, not significant, except it will be used by Republicans against Obama in the fall. How do you explain to Joe or Jane Average American that a guy who describes U.S. Marines as terrorists not only gave you money but also helped raise money for your campaign? Do you really think most Americans will shrug and say, “No big deal”?
_____________________________

Obama seems to run with the wrong crowd and I would say his integrity, ethics and judgment definitely leave a lot to be desired.

protactinium said...

Now the person who says she is not all about Obama being a terroist is now trying to link Obama to terrorists. This is a pathetic scare tatics that Hillary want to use to try and smear Obama. It does not really matter to be honest. Short of a collapse in Obamas campaign, Obama will be Nominee. :-) But keep on dreaming.

timeforchange said...

As a consequence of Obama's dereliction of duty on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, a the Bush administration has had absolutely no oversight as it careens from disaster to disaster in Afghanistan, including the central governments loss of control over 70 percent of the country and yet another bumper crop of opium to fuel the efforts of the Taliban and their terrorist allies.

Of course, if you don't hold hearings, conduct oversight, make recommendations or sponsor legislation, then you have no record to explain or defend and you are free to take whatever position is convenient when attacking those who actually did address issues. Meanwhile, on the campaign trail, Obama holds forth on Afghanistan, chiding the administration and our allies as though he's a profile in courage and not someone who has abandoned his post in establishing accountability.

lectricgenius said...

The most amazing thing to me is that Time seemingly reads nothing other than lies, more lies, and smears. Day after day, a continual posting of unfactual and unsubstantiated jibberish. She calls Obama a liar, when the truth has now come out that Hillary was the liar. It is obvious Time does no real research on Obama and merely digs for "dirt". Keep it up, it only shows how desperate you have become. Just like the repuglicans, if you can't prove anything, make something up. If you cannot make anything up which is good, wait for your candidate to fabricate a story about her opponent doing something that she is actually the one doing.

P.S. Time, you need to study Illinois politics a bit more before you go copying and pasting "stories" that you really do not understand.

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

William Ayers

"EVERYTHING was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon,
the birds were singing, the sky was blue and those m*therf*ckers were finally going to get what was coming to them"


That excerpt from William Ayers' memoir had appeared in The New York Times on 9/11/2001 - the day al Qaeda terrorists crashed hijacked planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Ayers, once a leader in the Weather Underground - the group that declared "war" on the US government in 1970 - told the Times, "I don't regret setting bombs," and, "I feel we didn't do enough." He recently reappeared in the news because Politico.com reported Friday that Barack Obama has loose ties to him.

Now a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, Ayers is apparently a left-wing institution in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood. Obama began visiting his home when launching his political career in the mid-'90s.

The two also served on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which gave money to Northwestern University Law School, where Ayers' wife (and ex-Weather Underground compatriot who glorified violence) Bernardine Dohrn is the director."

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

thats right keep telling yourself if we didn't find it the republicans never would have before november, to suggest these are lies when the relationship does exist and when first questioned Obama spokesman is quoted as saying "Mr. Obama Would Like You To Know William Ayers Is Not Involved In The Campaign"
wtf does this mean "Involved" withe The "CAMPAIGN", oh yeah but by the way they are just friends, B*llsh*t!

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timeforchange said...

Obama's (bad) judgment:

1. Aligning himself with Rezko for 20 years, pretending to only know him casually for a few. Sticking with Rezko even after he knew he was being indicted.

2. His "association" with Ayers, former terroist/bomber

3. The Canadian NAFTA falafel

4. The land deal with Rezko/wife making Obama's property appreciate in value

5. His drug use

6. His criticizing the situation in Afghanistan and Iraq but failing to hold a single oversight committee meeting due to his important run for the presidency.

7. Saying he was not the type to run for president with little experience--didn't feel comfortable, wouldn't do it.

8. His church affiliation whose pastor has a great admiration for Louis Farrahkan.

9. In his book "Dreams from My Father", he extolls the virtues of Kenya, his black brothers and dismisses his white family who raised him--calls them racist.

10. His refusal to wear an American flag lapel pin to prove some point about "doing" rather than "wearing".

11. His refusal to put his hand over his heart during the national athem (maybe not required but nonetheless stupid and arrogant not to).

12. He romantacizes Reagan--says the repub. party had ideas for over a decade (why didn't he add, albeit bad ideas? He has foot in mouth disease when he is speaking off the cuff!

13. Says he will meet with good and bad/evildoer leaders. Knows nothing about diplomacy and the carrot and stick approach obviously.

14. Repeatedly points out that he was against the war but has conceded that had he actually been in the Senate at the time he made the speech and had the briefings, etc. he might have felt differently.

15. Was it a good judgment on Obama's part hiring and having Austan D. Goolsbee as his senior economic policy adviser after what happened at the latest "Nafta" issue?

16. In a debate Obama told a story of a captain (should be lt. as they command platoons) and his platoon using weapons from the enemy and piecing together their weapons due to a shortage. Well, he voted not to fund....hmmmm. He lied 8 times! Either that or he has a very poor memory. Not presidential at all!

http://www.ifimpresident.com/digitalnews/blog/b2798_Obama_lies_at_Texas_debate/

Well, you get the picture!

On the one hand he says he has the better judgment and when confronted with his dealing with Rezko and other things, he says he made a mistake, did some "bone headed things".

Which is it Barack, are you bone headed or are you better at judgment?

I think I know the answer.

timeforchange said...

Chicago politics is corrupt like Obama. I understand it and lived through some of the most corrupt wheeling and dealing that politics had to offer.

It isn't much different these days.

Obama is a product of corrupt Chicago politics.

My mother grew up there and so did my husband. I visted and lived there. Baaaaaaaad--Chicago baaaaaaad!

protactinium said...

Today is is rumored Obama and 2 dozen super delegates had a meeting with Obama to find out when they should offically endorse Obama. Obamas people is trying to cordinate a block of super delegates, (I heard 50 being thrown around) in order to make Hillary relize the delegate math is impossible for her.

So actually it looks like the super delegates may work out well for Obama. They can end this election almost any time these choose at this point. I am guessing everyone wants to see what happens in Penn. However they made noise that the delegate block may endorse Obama previous to Penn.

Penn is essentially a senate, or governer race. 6 weeks, 30 million dollar per campaign fighting. Hillary must win big or go home. Im looking foward to it.

lectricgenius said...

It is absolutely hillarious how you post so many things that you claim Obama has done, when in fact, there is tons of evidence proving Hillary has actually done them, or worse.

How can you ignore the fact that Hillary does this?

That Hillary has more ties to the Rezko trial than Obama?

That Hillary is the one who sought out the Canadians to tell them "wink wink" as you put it. Obama did not go to them, nor did his staffers. But, Hillary actively sought them out.

That Hillary had ties to people much worse than your "terrorist"? People like the communists she worked for when she and Bill spent that summer in CA. (In case you can't add, Obama's age prevents him from remembering what this "terrorist" did. He may know now, but last time I checked, this guy hadn't done anything other than teach for the last several decades).

You just continue to sling mud which will not stick. But, the funniest part of it all is how you justg ignore the facts regarding your candidate and have now way to refute or deny the fact that she has much more shady dealings and ties than Obama ever will.

lectricgenius said...

Pro-

"Today is is rumored Obama and 2 dozen super delegates had a meeting with Obama to find out when they should offically endorse Obama. Obamas people is trying to cordinate a block of super delegates, (I heard 50 being thrown around) in order to make Hillary relize the delegate math is impossible for her.

So actually it looks like the super delegates may work out well for Obama. They can end this election almost any time these choose at this point. I am guessing everyone wants to see what happens in Penn. However they made noise that the delegate block may endorse Obama previous to Penn.

Penn is essentially a senate, or governer race. 6 weeks, 30 million dollar per campaign fighting. Hillary must win big or go home. Im looking foward to it.


With the exception the Clintons have been doing some serious arm twisting since Tuesday attempting to stop this move and mitigate the hemorraghing.

timeforchange said...

The difference between someone who knows what they're doing (Hillary) and someone who is foolish and dangerous. Obama didn't understand the nuance of this bill and voted for it stupidly.

http://www.zimbio.com/Senator+Hillary+Clinton+Of+New+York/articles/216/Obama+Shouldn+t+President

lectricgenius said...

Time-

"Chicago politics is corrupt like Obama. I understand it and lived through some of the most corrupt wheeling and dealing that politics had to offer.

It isn't much different these days.

Obama is a product of corrupt Chicago politics.

My mother grew up there and so did my husband. I visted and lived there. Baaaaaaaad--Chicago baaaaaaad!


Just last week you said you were born in IL, but moved when you were 5. How could you remember the politics, let alon claim to have lived through them? Again, this proves your own character. You say one thing one day, then something else another. No wonder you prefer Clinton

protactinium said...

Timeforchange - "Obama is a product of corrupt Chicago politics.

My mother grew up there and so did my husband. I visted and lived there. Baaaaaaaad--Chicago baaaaaaad!"

Spoken like a true soccor mom that is scared of the whole world.
I acutally live in Chicago so unlike you have actual experince with chicago. I understand you beleive it is ok to use your husbands experince and claim is as your own.

However Chicago is in the running for the Olympics, and is considered a top of the line city. It is rated as one of the top tourist citys in the USA. Fair cry from the scary picture you try to portary.

However I am not suprised the Hillary has gotten so desprate to try and link Obama to Chicago poltics. However this may be fair, Obama is supported by the Daley machine. Who is elected in Chicago election after election with landslide totals because he is one of the best mayors.

timeforchange said...

lectricgenius has left a new comment on the post "Open Thread":

Time-

"Chicago politics is corrupt like Obama. I understand it and lived through some of the most corrupt wheeling and dealing that politics had to offer.

It isn't much different these days.

Obama is a product of corrupt Chicago politics.

My mother grew up there and so did my husband. I visted and lived there. Baaaaaaaad--Chicago baaaaaaad!

Just last week you said you were born in IL, but moved when you were 5. How could you remember the politics, let alon claim to have lived through them? Again, this proves your own character. You say one thing one day, then something else another. No wonder you prefer Clinton
======================

Have you heard of things called news programs, magazines, TV, history books?

I had relatives in Chicago who talked a lot about politics as did my parents.

I also took an early interest in politics and followed what went on.

Duh, I guess you didn't think about that because you are so interested in trying to discredit me and have a very narrow perspective on things.

No surprise that you support Obama.

lectricgenius said...

"The difference between someone who knows what they're doing (Hillary) and someone who is foolish and dangerous. Obama didn't understand the nuance of this bill and voted for it stupidly.

Finally you speak at least a partial truth. Hillary sure knows exactly what she is doing-- recaptring the power they lost when they left the whitehouse. Power corrupts and the Clintons are prime examples of this.

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timeforchange said...

Chicago may be the wonderful Olympic paradise you mention, but the politics behind the scenes is corrupt!

lectricgenius said...

Time-

Again, you prove your own ignorance. Reading about something is much different than living it. You said you lived it. Just another misrepresentation. You did not live it. Is it even possible for you to tell the truth? You cannot even speak the truth about statements you have previously made. No wonder you love the Clintons so much. They suffer the same affliction-- they have told so many lies just like you that they cannot remember what lies they have told either!

lectricgenius said...

BTW, the one of the many incorrect statements about Illinois politics was what you stated about Ginulius. It is obvious you truly know nothing about him, his family, or even the very race you referred to.

timeforchange said...

lectricgenius has left a new comment on the post "Open Thread":

Time-

Again, you prove your own ignorance. Reading about something is much different than living it

LIVING THROUGH something. By your standards, you should only be able to speak about politics WHERE YOU ACTUALLY live. How do you know all these other things around the country you speak about?

And I love the way you Obamabots say I sling mud and then you come right back slinging mud at Hillary.

LOL! Don't take it so personally. Obama is pitiful! Don't be like him.

timeforchange said...

I've said pretty much the same thing about Obama--that he is foolish and dangerous because he cannot deliver what he promises.

I truly believe that the reason Obama has younger and other type followers in the same vein is their lack of experience and perspective--they haven't lived long enough to really realize what it takes to be a successful leader.

Also, those who are "believers" rather than those who are grounded in facts and reality tend to go along with the Obama types and the sing song mantra of empty words.

http://www.zimbio.com/pilot?ZURL=%2FSenator%2BHillary%2BClinton%2BOf%2BNew%2BYork%2Farticles%2F216%2FObama%2BShouldn%2Bt%2BPresident&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fannienyc.blogspot.com%2F2008%2F01%2Fmike-gravel-on-obama-foolish-dangerous_12.html

protactinium said...

time-"LOL! Don't take it so personally. Obama is pitiful! Don't be like him."

Yet you come on here and spend your entire day just cut and pasting lies, and other smear material.

What does that say about you? I think your children name calling says all that needs to be said about your character.

timeforchange said...

In case it has escaped your notice, Ohio was a secret ballot vote, and Texas was mostly a secret ballot vote -- and Clinton has always done well in those.
You need to recognize that Obama's entire "surge" was based mostly upon wins in caucus states.

Many of us think that caucuses are a bogus form of election because they are subject to forces such as peer group pressure, bribery and irregularities that are not generally encountered in secret-ballot voting.

Furthermore, most of Obama's caucus wins were in states that are not likely to be in the Democratic column on election day.

timeforchange said...

My posts are substantiated by links to facts/opinions.

Yours are just grabbed out of thin air and we are supposed to believe them?

Copy and paste and/or posting a link is a way of backing up what is said.

My entire day? Only a few hours and right now while my insomnia is keeping me awake.

I like to argue issues not call people names.

You should try it sometime!

protactinium has left a new comment on the post "Open Thread":

time-"LOL! Don't take it so personally. Obama is pitiful! Don't be like him."

Yet you come on here and spend your entire day just cut and pasting lies, and other smear material.

What does that say about you? I think your children name calling says all that needs to be said about your character.

timeforchange said...

While bashing of Wal-Mart’s labor practices in public, Obama has been profiting from their business through the money Michelle "this is the first time I've been really proud of my country" Obama made as a member of the board of directors for a company that produces food for the mega-corporation.


On a side note, this statement shows you how self serving and narcassictic she like her husband is!

It takes THEM to make her proud of her country, never mind the sacrafices of our forefathers in wars, protests, revolutions, etc.

Ick! Can't stand her either!

Since he is so fond of Kenya and she is newly proud of the US, maybe he should go live there and see how well his change rhetoric goes over!! LOL!

protactinium said...

Oh I stoped wasting my time actually arguing with you smear mongers. I have no need to prove that Obama is a better canidite.

Obama has already won this nomination process. Hillary smearing Obama is good practice for the republicans. You go run and vote for Mccain, and pray Mccain wins NY in your fairytale. Let's not forget that NY went for the democrats last election, and then 9/11 was alot freasher of a memory. So your national security issue is bunk.

However I do admit, I enjoy how crazy Hillary supporters get. To bad most of you will never comment again after Hillary loses.

timeforchange said...

Obama's revisionist history about his "life'....Did he lie?


http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2006/10/is-barack-obama-lying-about-his-life.html

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

Let’s not forget yesterday was the first day of opening arguments with jury, of the REZKO trial.

In his opening statement Thursday, Rezko’s lead defense attorney, Joseph Duffy, mentioned Obama and five other politicians in explaining Rezko’s motivation for political involvement.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


And Barack Obama being firmly In the Dirt:

In the last few days, Obama and his senior staff have been open about their intention to raise all sorts of personal issues against the Clintons. They have even started that process by, for instance, calling for the Clintons to release their tax returns immediately, before the April 15 date Clinton’s campaign has promised.

* * * * * * * * And the most recent "Backfired" Comments Of his Foreign policy advisor Susan Rice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymmkze5-bdA

It is understandable why the Obama team wants to go negative, even while such a tactic conflicts with the senator’s frequent statements that he planned to run a different kind of campaign. Clinton’s recent hammering of Obama’s personal missteps and professional weaknesses (national security readiness, the flap over Obama’s top economic adviser talking to Canadian officials about NAFTA, the criminal trial of former Obama fundraiser Tony Rezko) seems to have helped her win primaries in Ohio and Texas. Those victories have at least temporarily staunched the tide of Obama Inevitability, much to the dismay of his staff and supporters, who have become cozily accustomed to success.

Team Obama wants to react quickly and with maximum force: his top political and communications advisers are from the you-pull-a-knife-I’ll-pull-a-gun school of campaign response. Furthermore, based on watching Obama interact with New York Times’ columnist Maureen Dowd on his campaign plane last week, he did not appreciate her once famously calling him “Obambi.”

After this truly bad week, the first since January (Clinton’s New Hampshire win notwithstanding), Obama has fretted that the press has decided to be tougher on him — and perhaps softer on Clinton. This might bode ill for a significant change in strategy and tone, even though in the past, many in the media cheered when Obama took steps to go negative against his New York rival. His campaign already has produced plenty of disparaging material about Clinton (radio ads, voter phone calls, e-mails, direct mail) without reproach.

But now it appears the campaign wants to make negative attacks, including those launched directly from the candidate himself, a more central part of its message.

Early on, Obama pledged to fire anyone on his staff who engaged in the kind of personal attacks his senior advisers, and himself are now openly launching on a daily basis.

By attacking Clinton during a period when he is particularly vulnerable on the Tony Rezko case, NAFTA, and other unseemly matters, Obama risks more unfavorable scrutiny directed at him (especially during a period when Clinton is on a roll, given her charming appearances on late-night comedy shows, her comeback kid excitement, and her refreshed media confidence).

It could look and feel desperate — already Obama’s affronted reaction to those newly tough, “like, eight questions” last week made him seem rather naive and peevish; add cutthroat to that image, and Obama could have a bigger problem than he is trying to solve by changing strategies.

Bring it on Barack. We dare you. We double dare you

lectricgenius said...

Time-

I do not claim to have lived through something which I have not. That is the difference. You claim something which is untrue. You read about something, not lived through something. Two totally different things.

timeforchange said...

NYdem,

The Obama supporters here and everywhere will soon realize that they have backed the wrong horse.

He WILL NOT withstand the republican smear machine (and rightfully so in his case IMO).

Already 25% (according to CNN) of Hillary supporters say they will vote for McCain.

I will either stay home or vote for McCain dependent on who he pics for his running mate and several other factors.

At least McCain is a patriot who I'm sure has been proud of his country for a long, long time.

timeforchange said...

What the *ell are you talking about???? How do you know what I've lived through and have not?

lectricgenius has left a new comment on the post "Open Thread":

Time-

I do not claim to have lived through something which I have not. That is the difference. You claim something which is untrue. You read about something, not lived through something. Two totally different things.

lectricgenius said...

"Oh I stoped wasting my time actually arguing with you smear mongers. I have no need to prove that Obama is a better canidite.

Obama has already won this nomination process. Hillary smearing Obama is good practice for the republicans. You go run and vote for Mccain, and pray Mccain wins NY in your fairytale. Let's not forget that NY went for the democrats last election, and then 9/11 was alot freasher of a memory. So your national security issue is bunk.

However I do admit, I enjoy how crazy Hillary supporters get. To bad most of you will never comment again after Hillary loses."


So true, I understand your point of view.

However, it is absolutely hillarious to prove them to be liars by their own statements about themselves. It shows exactly how shallow they truly are and how they are the true liars just like their candidate.

lectricgenius said...

"Let’s not forget yesterday was the first day of opening arguments with jury, of the REZKO trial.

In his opening statement Thursday, Rezko’s lead defense attorney, Joseph Duffy, mentioned Obama and five other politicians in explaining Rezko’s motivation for political involvement.
"


Again you ignore the facts about Hillary's ties to not only Rezko, but five more of the defendants. The five defendants which Obama has no ties to whatsoever.

It tickles me how you and Time try to ignore the facts about Hillary, yet just keep on trying to post bad stuff about Obama. It is obvious you do not address this because you cannot begin to defend Hillary!

lectricgenius said...

Time-

I will be glad to go back and copy the post where you said that you were born here, but moved when you were 5. That is in your own words. No twists, no embellishments. Just your own statements. If you try to change your story now, either you lied then, or are lying now.

It is important to point this out, because your exact statement today was that you had "lived through the corruption of Chicago politics". Simply not true by your own words. So, which was a lie, today, or three days ago? You cannot have it both ways.

timeforchange said...

This ignorant post of yours shows you and me how stupid and narrow thinking Obama supporters are.

I lived through it, watched it on TV, read about it over the years, talked about it, saw what it did to the JFK election, etc.

I also lived through 9/11. Did you?????

Are you livin through the Bush admin., the primaries, etc.? Or to live through something do you actually have to LIVE THERE (wherever that might be). Dang. Stupid is as stupid does!

Sheesh!!!

lectricgenius has left a new comment on the post "Open Thread":

Time-

I will be glad to go back and copy the post where you said that you were born here, but moved when you were 5. That is in your own words. No twists, no embellishments. Just your own statements. If you try to change your story now, either you lied then, or are lying now.

It is important to point this out, because your exact statement today was that you had "lived through the corruption of Chicago politics". Simply not true by your own words. So, which was a lie, today, or three days ago? You cannot have it both ways.

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

I have no NEED to defend Hillary We have MET the republican ATTACK MACHINE before! (your it) Same Old Crap U Have Been Using How Many Years Now?
This Is My Point All this NEW scandal involving OBAMA IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG FOR WHAT'S IN STORE, IF HE DOESN'T DROP SOON!

ALL these claims you make about how Hillary is so bad IS A PRODUCT OF THE REPUBLICAN ATTACK MACHINE BARACK OBAMA WILL NOW FACE, GET READY, AND STOP WHINING!

lectricgenius said...

And just exactly what impact has Chicago politics had on you from the distance which you live.

You are the one showing your own ignorance and that of Hillary supporters. You are attempting to say that several situations are analogous which are not. There is not one single thing which the Chicago politics has done which affects anyone's life outside of Cook County. And this is why your statement is illogical. Oh, I forgot, you don't know logic-- just keep on making your logical fallacies.

lectricgenius said...

Anon-

Are you serious? You claim the Rezko issue is new, but only as it pertains to Obama. Hillary's ties to them are new also bud. The "scandals" I am referring to about her are very new. I don't care what happened in the 90's. I am speaking to what she has done since then. The media which Hillary claims is too soft on Obama has refused to report one single story about the various law suits involving her which presently exist.

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

"There is not one single thing which the Chicago politics has done which affects anyone's life outside of Cook County. And this is why your statement is illogical. Oh, I forgot, you don't know logic-- just keep on making your logical fallacies."

YOU MIGHT REMIND ME OF BILL CLINTONS BLOW-JOB LIE RIGHT, HOW DID THIS AFFECT YOU?

STILL YET HE WAS IMPEACHED WAS HE NOT?

STOP BEING SILL FOOL HIS PAST IS A PROBLEM AND YOU ARE DOING HIM NO FAVORS!

timeforchange said...

It doesn't have to have an impact for me to have lived through it and know about it. What kind of dumb and dumber question is that???

However, the impact that corrupt Chicago politics had on me from a distance is that it got JFK elected president (you know the guy who presides over the whole country, including me at a distance?).

Now I see what fools Obama has as followers.

BTW, I couldn't vote for JFK (too young) but I always was enamoured with him and still take interest in his biographies, movies about him, etc. Visited his library, etc.

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

IF A LIE ABOUT ABOUT AN EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIR CAN GET YOU IMPEACHED, WHAT DOES A LIE CONCERNING A SOON TO BE CONVICTED CRIMINAL DO?

SHOULD I PLAN HIM A PARTY?

lectricgenius said...

"YOU MIGHT REMIND ME OF BILL CLINTONS BLOW-JOB LIE RIGHT, HOW DID THIS AFFECT YOU?

STILL YET HE WAS IMPEACHED WAS HE NOT?

STOP BEING SILL FOOL HIS PAST IS A PROBLEM AND YOU ARE DOING HIM NO FAVORS!"


What the hell are you talking about. I have not said anything about that. Perplexing! To be honest, I don't care what Bill did in the oval office with women. I have issues with the policies he enacted, the promises he did not keep to his constituents, etc. But beyond that, my opinion is his personal life is his to live, not mine, yours, or anyone else's.

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

COME ON EVERYONE LET'S THROW A PITY PARTY FOR OBAMA!

HE ONLY USED TAINTED MONEY FROM REZKO TO GET WHERE HIS IS TODAY, LET'S IGNOR IT AND JUST HAVE A BEER, RIGHT?

lectricgenius said...

Time-

Fact is you make untrue statements which are disputed by your own words.

Talk about stupid!

lectricgenius said...

Hey, better throw a bigger party for Hillary.

She got dirty money from five more individuals!

That should be one hell of a shin dig!

And you just continue to ignore the facts about Hilalry and Rezko...

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

"the promises he did not keep to his constituents, etc. But beyond that, my opinion is his personal life is his to live, not mine, yours, or anyone else's."

IT WAS THOSE REPUBLICAN ENGINEERED SCANDALS WHICH DISTRACTED HIM FROM KEEPING THOSE PROMISES TO YOU, THATS HOW HARD THE REPUBLICANS FIGHT, IT WILL GET VERY DIRTY AND OBAMA IS ILL PREPARED TO COPE, VERY SIMILAR TO HIS SUPPORTERS, WHO CLAIM OTHERS WHO DISAGREE ARE RACIST OR IGNORANT, NONE OF THOSE COME BACKS WORK, BARACK OBAMA HAS A REAL PROBLEM ON HIS HANDS WHEN THE TOTALITY OF HIS SCANDALS ARE ADDED TOGETHER WITH HIS ABILITY TO KEEP THE PROMISES OF RUNNING A CLEAN CAMPAIGN OR TAKING ONLY PUBLIC FINANCING FOR HIS CAMPAIGN, THEN BACKING AWAY FROM HIS POSITION!

THIS IS EVIDENT IS HIS ABILITY TO BACK AWAY FROM HIS POSITION TO FIGHT THE PRESIDENTS POSITION ON THE IRAQ WAR SURPLUS FUNDING REQUEST, WHEN HE CAST THAT YES VOTE HE BECAME JUST AS CULPABLE OF AUTHORIZING THE WAR IN THE FIRST PLACE, THE ONE HE FAULTS BOTH HILLARY AND JOHN MCCAIN, HE CLAIMS TO HAVE FIRM GROUND TO STAND ON, BUT AS WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST, THE GROUND BARACK OBAMA STANDS ON IS NOT SO FIRM, OR CONSISTANT.

lectricgenius said...

"IT WAS THOSE REPUBLICAN ENGINEERED SCANDALS WHICH DISTRACTED HIM FROM KEEPING THOSE PROMISES TO YOU, THATS HOW HARD THE REPUBLICANS FIGHT, IT WILL GET VERY DIRTY AND OBAMA IS ILL PREPARED TO COPE, VERY SIMILAR TO HIS SUPPORTERS, WHO CLAIM OTHERS WHO DISAGREE ARE RACIST OR IGNORANT, NONE OF THOSE COME BACKS WORK, BARACK OBAMA HAS A REAL PROBLEM ON HIS HANDS WHEN THE TOTALITY OF HIS SCANDALS ARE ADDED TOGETHER WITH HIS ABILITY TO KEEP THE PROMISES OF RUNNING A CLEAN CAMPAIGN OR TAKING ONLY PUBLIC FINANCING FOR HIS CAMPAIGN, THEN BACKING AWAY FROM HIS POSITION!

THIS IS EVIDENT IS HIS ABILITY TO BACK AWAY FROM HIS POSITION TO FIGHT THE PRESIDENTS POSITION ON THE IRAQ WAR SURPLUS FUNDING REQUEST, WHEN HE CAST THAT YES VOTE HE BECAME JUST AS CULPABLE OF AUTHORIZING THE WAR IN THE FIRST PLACE, THE ONE HE FAULTS BOTH HILLARY AND JOHN MCCAIN, HE CLAIMS TO HAVE FIRM GROUND TO STAND ON, BUT AS WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST, THE GROUND BARACK OBAMA STANDS ON IS NOT SO FIRM, OR CONSISTANT.


Nice try. He had a chance to do several thing his first two years in office before all of that happened. One was repealing the Taft-Hartley act, the largest piece of non-union and pro-corporate greed legislation ever enacted in this country. It was offered to him to repeal and he refused. Both he and Hillary are supposed to be for us working people, but their actions prove their true beliefs.

This is only one example of many things he had more than ample opportunity to change. What amazes me the most is that you and others attempt to insist it was because of the repuglicans. The evidence proves that is not entirely true, as in this and other instances.

timeforchange said...

Wonder how this concept will affect world affairs should he be the president? Will the Muslim world expect more from him and will he deliver? If not, what will be the consequences in the Muslim world? Riots, violence?

Obama may not identify as a Muslim, that's not how the Arab and Muslim Streets see it. In Arab culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you. And once a Muslim, always a Muslim. You cannot go back. In Islamic eyes, Obama is certainly a Muslim. He may think he's a Christian, but they do not.

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

IN THE FOLLOWING VIDEO ABC NEWS EXPLORED JUST A SMALL FRACTION OF HIS INONSISTANT STATEMENTS CONCERNONG LOBBYISTS AND INDICTED MONET LAUNDERER ANTOIN"TONY" REZKO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxyPBmZE69s

lectricgenius said...

Time-

Just keep grasping at your straws. It really exposes how shallow you are.

This is the best entertainment I have seen in years. Keep up the good cut and paste work, I am certain it will deliver the remaining states for your girl!

Oh, and while you are at it, keep ignoring all the messes Hillary is presently in.

timeforchange said...

lec, you are an idiot! I really hate name calling and have resisted it until tonight.

And you are the epitome' of truth telling? So says YOU! LOL!

I have NO clue what you are talking about regarding my supposed lying about myself.

Who knows me better and what I have lived through? You or me?

(hint: that's a rhetorical question and should be obvious--please don't respond).

lectricgenius said...

Time-

Do you want me to go copy your posts and prove the point? Would that make you happy? Or would you try to find some way to distort your own words?

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timeforchange said...

lectricgenius

Since you hate Clinto so much did you vote for Bush, Dole?

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

TENANTS OF REZKO'S BUILDING SAY "THE GARBAGE PILED UP SO HIGH AND THE AIR WAS FILLED WITH ROTTING STENCH" IN RESPONSE TO REZKO'S NOT PAYING THE GARBAGE BILL

"IT HAS BEEN SO COLD IN HERE I HAVE TO BOIL WATER ON THE STOVE AND COVER THE WINDOWS WITH SHEETS TO KEEP OUT THE DRAFT, JUST TO STOP SHIVERING" IN RESPONSE TO REZKO'S FUNNELING MONEY FROM HEATING FUNDS INTO OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN


DON'T TELL ME THIS DOES NOT MATTER!
MAYBE NOT TO YOU OR OBAMA, BUT IT MATTERS TO ME!

lectricgenius said...

Voted for Bill, perhaps if you actually read my posts instead of merely coming here to spew your libelous venom, you would have already known that.

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

JUST HOW DID REZKO GET AWAY WITH TREATING THOSE PEOPLE SO BADLY FOR SO LONG?

I GUESS HE MUST HAVE HAD A FRIEND WHO WAS AN IMPORTANT ILLINOIS POLITICIAN, I WONDER WHO THAT WAS?

lectricgenius said...

Besides, what the hell does Bill have to do with it? Until your rant earlie about his debacle, I had not said anything about him.

All the scandals I have been trying to open your eyes about involve Hillary. Yet, you still refuse to acknowledge the truth. You have no response to the fatc Hillary was the one lying about Nafta, or that she has more ties to the Rezko trial than Obama.

Why do you choose to just keep ignoring? It proves just how narrow minded you are, and how much contempt you have for the truth.

timeforchange said...

lectricgenius has left a new comment on the post "Open Thread":

Voted for Bill, perhaps if you actually read my posts instead of merely coming here to spew your libelous venom, you would have already known that.


Why if you hate him so?

BTW, since Obama is a public figure running for office, what I or anyone else says about him is not libel.

Besides it is the truth. But it doesn't have to be and it still isn't libel.

If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that!

lectricgenius said...

"JUST HOW DID REZKO GET AWAY WITH TREATING THOSE PEOPLE SO BADLY FOR SO LONG?

I GUESS HE MUST HAVE HAD A FRIEND WHO WAS AN IMPORTANT ILLINOIS POLITICIAN, I WONDER WHO THAT WAS?"


Well, if you knew anything about it, that friend was Rod Blagovich, the governor. Right now there exists enough evidence to convict him of improprieties with Rezko and probably get him kicked out of office. Obama didn't even come close to breaking any laws. Rod, now he is a different story. Why don't you try using google for something other than false stories about Obama.

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

EDITED FOR PROPER WORDING:

"All the scandals I have been trying to open your eyes about involve OBAMA. Yet, you still refuse to acknowledge the truth. You have no response to the fact OBAMA was the one lying about Nafta,(AS PROVEN BY THE DISCOVERY OF HIS ADVISORS MEMO) or that he has more ties to the Rezko trial than ANYONE ELSE AT ALL."

lectricgenius said...

I know exactly what it means. I was jsut tired of repeating how much of a liar you are. I thought I would use a different term synonymous with it.

How bout this, you are still lying and ignoring the facts!

There, feel better?

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

How bout this, you are still lying and ignoring the facts!

DO YOU, feel better?

lectricgenius said...

""All the scandals I have been trying to open your eyes about involve OBAMA. Yet, you still refuse to acknowledge the truth. You have no response to the fact OBAMA was the one lying about Nafta,(AS PROVEN BY THE DISCOVERY OF HIS ADVISORS MEMO) or that he has more ties to the Rezko trial than ANYONE ELSE AT ALL."

The proof about the Hillary's NAFTA involvement is substantiated by many people who were witness to it (many more than were allegedly witness to Obama's advisor eating lunch with the prime miister's aid).

The proof of the ties with Rezko--just follow the money that he and the others funneled to the Clintons. Last time I checked those are public record. Oh, I forgot, Hillary falsifies her filings with the FEC and blames it on her financial guru and lets him go to jail for it, so there might not be a trail--NOT! The trail is there. Just like everyhting else, you refuse to accept the truth.

lectricgenius said...

Oh, and the evidence proves that Hillary actively sought to speak with the Canadians about this.

After a period of time, the Canadian government decided to contact Obama about the same thing.

Hillary was the ne who initiated it, she did the "wink-wink", then tried to say it was Obama doing it.

But, again, you refuse to accept the facts.

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

THE "MONSTER" OBAMA TRIES TO GO ON THE ATTACK YET HE STAND ON THIN ICE, INEXPERIENCED, AND SOON TO BE DEEPLY LINKED TO REZKO, A MAN WHO IS SO HORRIBLE HE WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO LIVE WITH HOLES IN THEIR WALLS AND NO HEAT OR GARBAGE REMOVAL, AND WHY YOU ASK? MONEY LAUNDERING, INCLUDING OVER $140,000 TO OBAMA HIMSELF, OBAMA SAYS HE DONATED ONLY A PORTION OF THIS MONEY TO CHARITY AFTER HE REALIZE, OR GOT CAUGHT, HOWEVER YOU WISH TO LOOK AT IT THROUGH CLOUDED VISION, WHY NOT RETURN ALL THAT MONEY TO THE PEOPLE WHO SUFFERED BY HIS GAIN, IF IN FACT HE WAS INNOCENT?

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA STANDS IN FRONT OF AMERICA WITH BLOOD ON HIS HANDS AND TRIES HARD TO CONVINCE US HILLARY IS GUILTY

lectricgenius said...

"THE "MONSTER" OBAMA TRIES TO GO ON THE ATTACK YET HE STAND ON THIN ICE, INEXPERIENCED, AND SOON TO BE DEEPLY LINKED TO REZKO, A MAN WHO IS SO HORRIBLE HE WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO LIVE WITH HOLES IN THEIR WALLS AND NO HEAT OR GARBAGE REMOVAL, AND WHY YOU ASK? MONEY LAUNDERING, INCLUDING OVER $140,000 TO OBAMA HIMSELF, OBAMA SAYS HE DONATED ONLY A PORTION OF THIS MONEY TO CHARITY AFTER HE REALIZE, OR GOT CAUGHT, HOWEVER YOU WISH TO LOOK AT IT THROUGH CLOUDED VISION, WHY NOT RETURN ALL THAT MONEY TO THE PEOPLE WHO SUFFERED BY HIS GAIN, IF IN FACT HE WAS INNOCENT?"

And how much of the money that Hillary received from Rezko and his cronies did she return, or donate to charity? ZERO

And this makes her better? Thats some good logic right there. No wonder you ignore the facts

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA STANDS IN FRONT OF AMERICA WITH BLOOD ON HIS HANDS AND TRIES HARD TO CONVINCE US HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON IS GUILTY, A NAME HE WILL ACCUSE US OF USING LIKE A CURSE WORD, IF WE DARE, I DARE BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA I DARE

lectricgenius said...

Well, good luck with your fears, smears, and lies. You may be able to secure an excellent job this fall working for McCain or Rove.

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

"Well, good luck with your fears, smears, and lies. You may be able to secure an excellent job this fall working for McCain or Rove."

IF I HAVE TO WORK FOR MCCAIN TO PREVENT MY COUNTRY FROM BEING DESTROYED AT IT'S CORE BY BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AND HIS INCREDIBLE DEVISIVE MACHINE, HIS SUPPORTERS WHO USUALLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HIM EXCEPT HE GIVES A GOOD SPEECH, WHO RUN RAMPANT WITH RACE CARDS INFINITUM IN THEIR HANDS JUST WAITING TO DROP ONE AT MY FOOT, I AM ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO WILL STAND UP FOR MY COUNTRY AND NOT STAND BY IDLE WHILE A BRAINWASHING OF OUR CONSTITUENCY TAKES PLACE BY A "MONSTER" KNOWN AS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

timeforchange said...

Let's assume that most of what has been said about Obama here and elsewhere (the neg. things) are lies or distortions.

That being said, (and I think most of it is pretty accurate and has some or complete basis in fact), Obama is still too "unknown" and too much of a risk to be president.

I know who and what Hillary is for the most part--warts and all.

I know who McCain is for the most part--warts and all.

I also have been rethinking Iraq. I ranted and raved at the TV and the pundits, George Bush, et al that they were stupid going to war with Iraq.

That the rest of the ME didn't like Saddam so much because he was a secular leader/dictator and he kept the riff raff/terrorists out of his country. He was ruthless and a murderer. But unfortunately, it took someone like Saddam to keep his country together and keep it from falling into the hands of Iran and the terrorists who now occupy it.

I was against the war totally!

But now that we are there, I think no matter when we pull out, Iraq will go to the worst of the dogs of the ME--Iran, Al Qaeda and others.

Is it better sooner rather than later? Maybe giving it a few more years to allow the Iraqi's to have a better armed forces, government, etc. isn't such a bad idea.

I don't know but since we can't undo history, we need to think of the consequences.

I'm now on the fence about pulling out right away and so McCain becomes more palatable for me.

I will never vote for Obama, no matter what. And there are millions more like me.

He may win the battle but he will lose the war!

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

WITH REZKO AND WILIAM AYERS JUST FOR STARTERS ON MCCAINS SIDE OF LOGIC THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAD BETTER CHOOSE WEATHER THEY WANT A NOMINEE OR A PRESIDENT!

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

THE PARTY IS COMPLETELY UNWISE TO TAKE STATES FOR GRANTED THAT USUALLY VOTE DEMOCRATIC IF THEY CHOOSE OBAMA, HE WILL LOSE JUST ENOUGH TO LOSE THE PRESIDENCY!

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

FLORIDA IS PERMANENTELY LOST TO OBAMA AS HE TAKES A POSITION WHICH IS CONSISTANT WITH THEY UNWISE DECISION TO DISENFRANCHISE AND THEREBY SILENCE THE VOTES OF MILLIONS OF FLORIDIANS WHO ARE NEEDED TO OVERCOME THE ELECTORATE THRESHOLD

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

THE MORE OBAMA SUPPORTERS DEFEND BARACK OBAMA'S RELATIONSHIP WITH SLUMLORD/MONEY LAUNDERER TONY REZKO, THE MORE MCCAIN LOOKS FAVORABLE, I CERTAINLY DO NOT WANT TO ASSOCIATE WITH A MAN WHO FURTHERS DISPICABLE LIVING CONDITIONS FOR CHICAGO'S POOR AND UNDERPRIVELEDGED!

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

BARACK OBAMA WAS HELPED TO BUY A 1.6 MILLION YES MILLION DOLLAR COLLONADED MANSION, MONEY WHICH WAS GAINED THROUGH REZKO'S DIRTY BUSINESS DEALINGS, WHICH INCLUDE SUFFERING THE LOW INCOME HOUSING PROJECT TO GO WITHOUT HEAT, TO LAUNDER FUNDS INTO BARACKS CAMPAIGN, OR THE TIME WHEN HE MADE THEM GO WITHOUT GARBAGE REMOVAL, THERE ARE THE HOLES IN THE WALLS AND THE UNSAFE ENVIRONMENT, INADEQUATE LIGHTING ETC. THESE BUILDINGS REZKO AND OBAMA WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR.

IF THIS IS WHAT OBAMA CALLS BUSINESS IN HIS DISTRICT WHAT DOES HE HAVE IN STORE FOR AMERICA?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqu3u9ISctA

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

QUICK OBAMA SUPPORTERS THROW A RACE BOMB, OR SOME 12 YEAR OLD DRIBBLE STRAIGHT FROM THE MOUTH OF BARACK OBAMA, NOW YOU THROW OUT THE WORDS TAX RETURNS TO DISTRACT US FROM REAL PEOPLE SUFFERING AT THE HANDS OF BARACK OBAMA AND HIS ASSOCIATES WHO YOU DOWNPLAY AS UNIMPORTANT, ADD THAT LIST UP HIS ASSOCIATES ARE SOME PRETTY HEARTLESS AND RUTHLESS PEOPLE, SOME WOULD EVEN BLOW UP THE PENTAGON (WILLIAM AYERS/OBAMA SUPPORTER AND ASSOCIATE) TO GET THEIR OWN WAY!
PLEASE OBAMA IS LEADING A VERY KNIFE IN AMERICAS BACK CAMPAIGN AND DISGUISING IT AS A MOVEMENT!

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

SOMEONE SHOULD REMIND OBAMA THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "LIBERAL" AND "RADICAL"

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

HEY DOES ANYBODY THINK WILLIAM AYERS WILL GET QUESTIONED FOR EXPLODING THE RECENT BOMB IN TIME SQUARE?

IT WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TIME HE BOMBED A NEW YORK CITY BUILDING, AS HE BLEW UP A NEW YORK CITY POLICE STATION MANY YEARS AGO TOO!

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

Here is a little Tid-Bit of information for you who doubt McCain Could Easily Beat Obama!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMDTZUVOL8U

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

protactinium said...

"Short of a collapse in Obamas campaign, Obama will be Nominee. :-) But keep on dreaming."

I'M FORESEEING OF AN OBAMA CAMPAIGN COLLAPSE,
*********WARNING**********

*********WARNING**********

TURN ON YER NEWS LATELY HIS CAMPAIGN IS COLLAPSING, HATE TO SAY I TOLD YA SO!

timeforchange said...

How can those Obama associates himself with not be a reflection of the man himself? And if he distances himself from them (in this case his minister), what is the point of associating with them in the first place?

Someone who hates the US and preaches what he does has to have some or a lot of basis in fact in Obama's heart.

Obama is a very complex man who I don't think can be trusted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMDTZUVOL8U

timeforchange said...

The campaign of hope you can believe in's top advisor called Hillary a "monster".

It raises real questions about judgment (having her as one in the first place) and what kinds of slip ups he and his advisors might have with foreign leaders and others.

The loose cannon campaign is now revealing itself as inept the more Obama can't hide behind Obama's plagiarized soaring rhetoric any longer.

timeforchange said...

From Real Clear Politics:

Friday, March 07
Race Poll Results Spread
Mississippi Democratic Primary InsiderAdvantage Obama 46, Clinton 40 Obama +6

Democratic Presidential Nomination Gallup Tracking Obama 44, Clinton 48 Clinton +4

Democratic Presidential Nomination Rasmussen Tracking Obama 43, Clinton 49 Clinton +6

timeforchange said...

Obama flip flop:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seNs-0TZz7c

timeforchange said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3UAgaz-njA


No wonder John "flip flop" Kerry endorsed Obama. I campaigned and voted for Kerry btw.

Lots more flip flops where this one came from.

timeforchange said...

Obama makes up stories to fool people into liking him and voting for him:

" He claimed that he was a product of the march, "So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born."

Except Obama was born in 1961. The Selma march took place in 1965. Obama says he was speaking metaphorically, about the inspiring nature of the civil rights movement as a whole"...

OOPS!

timeforchange said...

From CNN.com

His performance at a health-care forum was criticized as vague. He told the audience, "we have a plan that we are in the process of unveiling."

His hometown newspapers have been particularly tough. Chicago Sun-Times columnist Lynn Sweet took a close look at Obama's memoir, "Dreams of My Father."

Sweet said of the book, "I realize that most of the book can't be taken as fact, because as he wrote in the preface, he has composite characters, made up dialogue, and he switched names for many of the characters in it, so when you read it, you're not sure what's true and what's not."

_________________

Yep, I think Obama has fictionalized himself so much that he can't keep fantasy and fact straight!

This is quite disturbing from a candidate who wants to be president!

timeforchange said...

Obama is supposed to be this new kind of politician, rather in the style of Deval Patrick. But let's recall the Patrick campaign -- one of the best this state has ever seen. Even when Patrick's family was being dragged through the mud, even when the Healey campaign was slinging the most vile advertising his way, and even when the oh-so-wise purveyors of conventional wisdom were practically begging Patrick to strike back in kind, Patrick never, ever, resorted to the kinds of attacks on Kerry Healey that the Obama camp launched against the Clintons in this India memo. So one now has to ask: is Obama really what he claims? Or is he more of the same, in a younger, nicer-looking package?

protactinium said...

When you post smear the whole day. The only charecter the people put into question is your own, not Obamas.

As ignorant as your are I would like to point out that Karry did not flip flop on this issue. In fact Karry asked Obama to give the key note speech.

As for the Hamas comment. Go take your ignorant hate mongering, lieing self over to the mccains. It just shows that you are truly ignorant that you beleive Obama is a muslim terroist to destroy the country.

Not that we need a muslim terroist to that. The "White" man seems to be doing a good job at that. We are going to suffer more from collaposing infrastructure then terroists in the next decades. Just people use these type of ignorant politics to presude the uneducated.

I figure this is normal for Hillary supproter to start crying so loudly. This election is over. I enjoy your useless crying. You are just wasting your breathe. This is the best part. Keep fantasying that Obama is going to collapose.

timeforchange said...

Cindy McCain will be on Anderson Cooper 360 CNN tonight talking about her former addiction to pain killers.

Did you guys see Jon Stewart making fun of Bush's recent tap dancing on the front porch of the WH?

He said it's 3am and the phone is ringing in the WH.....then cut to a video of Stupid tap dancing. LOL! That is probably about what goes on there.

dwit said...

I guess nobody is on the other thread and this issue was addressed here. I think it is very important, because until we address our foreign policy shortcomings over the past 50 years, we will never be able to take care of our domestic issues, like health care domestically produced sustainable fuels and outsourcing.

This is exactly what Republicans want. If they can keep our eyes off the ball by drumming up fears abroad and keeping us tied up in military engagements ad infinitum they can make a bundle. Wake up folks!

I think Obama is the guy for the job. Hillary has already taken sides in the ME. She has very little credibility among the Arab and Persian states. Obama, on the other hand, has left the door open to a more impartial approach.

dwit said...

To continue the conversation Shelby and I wee having on the other thread:

I am very sad for the loss of life at the seminary in Israel, but that kind of thing happens almost every week here in the states. What does that say about OUR culture?

Bottom line is we should open our doors to all Israelis (Jewish and Palestinian) who'd like to emigrate to the states. Truman should have done this during and post WWII and we wouldn't have this problem today.

There is no country in history that has been as safe and prosperous for Jews than the USA. Heck, New York and Connecticut have more Jews than the entire state of Israel!

Israel is not a viable state economically and her people have no security. Its time we pay attention to the "reality on the ground" as they say and get out.

US taxpayers simply can't afford to continue hemorrhaging money in the ME. We now give Israel $10 billion a year. An excerpt from my blog illustrates what that money could do HERE in this country:

"With that money we could send 1,713,502 college age students to a public university for an entire year. With that same money we could provide 909,090 American families with health insurance for a year."

dwit said...

Oh, and for all of you who think the "red states" don't matter, that is how George Bush ended up in office. I know you will all try to point out the "stealing" of Florida or Ohio, but if the numbers weren't so close in the first place Florida wouldn't have mattered a damn and didn't in the end anyway.

If Hillary is elected we face more urban vs. rural gridlock. With Obama we have a healing of that divide created by the very diabolical Republicans. Trust me, I come from a rural state.

timeforchange said...

This country won't heal with Obama. Already 25% of Hillary supporters say they will vote for McCain.

Partly because of the stupid primary rules, the dems have themselves in a quandry.

FL and MI moved up their primaries and like imbicles, the dems decide to punish the voters.

Amazingly inept and ignorant!!

If they had simple minded rules like the repubs, this would already be decided.

dwit said...

Top Canadian official comes clean on what the Hillary camp said to them behind closed doors:

"He said someone from (Hillary) Clinton's campaign is telling the embassy to take it with a grain of salt. . . That someone called us and told us not to worry."

Uh, oh...somebody got caught. Kind of reminds me of the accusations that have come back to haunt so many televangelists.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/
servlet/story/RTGAM.20080305.
wharpleak0305/BNStory/National/home

dwit said...

NAFTA is going to be a problem for her in Pennsylvania now. Looks like somebody is doing the Obama campaign's homework for them.

timeforchange said...

Sorry but Obama has already taken and been given credit for the NAFTA debacle.

timeforchange said...

Quite a lovely picture of our next president:

http://img.blogads.com/576399266/img.jpg

dwit said...

Taken credit? I must have missed that. Can you link me the news story where they admitted the wink and nod to the Harper administration?

dwit said...

I know your trying to coax me into saying something like,

"Amazing what you can do with photoshop these days."

timeforchange said...

Obama is lucky the Rezko affair is a Chicago issue with which national reporters are unfamiliar. And, given what's known today, it's hard to see how the Rezko case could wound Obama's political ambitions. But for that reason, it's hard to understand his reluctance to answer questions from the Chicago investigative reporters who know the Rezko issues best.

Maybe that's something Democratic superdelegates ought to consider as they ponder whether to declare for Obama now or wait to make a decision closer to the Democrats' August convention. They need to know that he will be the strongest candidate for November. In addition to the Rezko issue, Hillary Clinton in recent days has succeeded in raising questions about Obama's experience, his credentials to be commander in chief and his stance on NAFTA. Obama had the momentum going into Texas and Ohio and outspent Clinton two-to-one, but lost.

protactinium said...

The NAFTA issue is not over. Hillary did the excat same thing as Obama on NAFTA. This issue will be used to make Hillary look like a bully and a hipocrit. Obama will use this issue to hit Hillary on trust. People do not trust Hillary, and Obama will exploit the weakness. If people stop trusting Hillary it will break the teeth of her smears.

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

"Oh, and for all of you who think the "red states" don't matter, that is how George Bush ended up in office."

Just Remember YOUR the one who compares Barack Obama To The Failure That Is George Bush!

You Really Don't SEE ANY DIFFERENCES Between George Bush And Barack Obama, That Might Prevent A Bush State From Supporting Obama?

what a way to DEFEND OBAMA compare him to GEORGE Bush, Heck Maybe Somebody Will Eat It Up Right? Desperate, truly Desperate, This Video Shows Barack Obama's APPEAL VS. John McCain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMDTZUVOL8U


Here You Will Find OBAMA'S foreign policy advisor saying Obama "IS NOT REAY FOR THAT 3AM PHONE CALL" :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHOX3BNW5kA


THIS VIDEO SHOW'S OBAMA'S REAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqu3u9ISctA


IT DOES NOT SURPRISE ME THAT YOU OBAMA SUPPORTERS ARE GRASPING STRAWS TO PROVE YOUR CANDIDATE IS NOT A JERK AFTER HIS CAMPAIGN'S "MONSTER" COMMENTS, BUT YOU LOOK JUST AS DESPERATE AS THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN ITSELF, YOU HAVE BEEN IN THIS ROOM CLAIMING TO BE DEMOCRATS, BUT ATTACKING HILLARY AND BILL CLINTON USING OLD, & TIRED REPUBLICAN ENGINEERED SCANDALS FOR WEEKS.

NOW THAT BARACK OBAMA'S CONNECTIONS TO TONY REZKO ARE BEING EXPOSED FOR THE FILTH IT IS, I EXPECT YOU'LL DO ANYTHING TO BACK-PEDDLE!

TRY NOT TO LET YOUR REPUTATIONS BE AS DESTROYED AS THE LOSER THAT IS BARACK OBAMA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqu3u9ISctA

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

A CANADIAN OFFICIAL WAS CALLED BY THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN AND TOLD THE CANDIDATE "BARACK OBAMA" WOULD BE GIVING SOME RHETORIC PROMISE AT THE OHIO DEBATE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, WHICH HE HAD NO INTENTIONS OF KEEPING, THIS IS PROVEN BY HIS ADVISORS MEMO, IT WAS RIGHT THERE IN PRINT, THE NEWS HAS REPORTED IT WIDELY, YET NOW YOU DESPERATLY TRYING TO USE A PLOY HERE, ANYTHING BARACK DOES BAD JUST BLAME HILLARY, THAT'S JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOLKS WE DO HAVE NEWS YA KNOW!

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

14 % OF ALL DEMOCRATS SAY THE WILL CHOOSE MCCAIN OVER OBAMA!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMDTZUVOL8U

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

BARACK OBAMA'S REPUBLICAN APPEAL HAS BEEN EXTREMELY OVERINFLATED BY HIM AND HIS RIDICULOUS SUPPORTERS WHO HAVE CLAIMED OBAMA CAN WIN ALL THE RED STATES AND THE BLUE ONE'S TOO!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMDTZUVOL8U

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

EDITED FOR CORRECT WORDING:

"When you post smear the whole day. The only charecter the people put into question is your own, not HILLARY'S"

STOP YOUR SMEARS AND LIES CAMPAIGN AND COME CLEAN YOUR CANDIDATE IS LYING ALL OVER THE PLACE AND YOU ARE TOO!

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

ANY OBAMA SUPPORTER here want to explain why:
barack obama's foreign policy advisor saying in her own words obama "is not ready for that 3am phone call"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHOX3BNW5kA

timeforchange said...

Obama can't even hold his oversight committee hearings.

Hillary has been endorsed by 30 military high ranking officers, mostly generals.

She serves on the armed services committee.

She is much more experienced and prepared to go against McCain in the fall (who is also quite experienced).

National Security will be the main issue and the economy a close 2nd.

Hillar is best prepared, informed and ready!

Also, no one wants to mention this but Bill Clinto handled world affairs pretty well and I'm sure Hillary learned a lot from him and will bounce ideas and plans off him as president.

timeforchange said...

National security is the first and most solemn duty of the President. 30 Flag Officers for Hillary:

Every president makes that pledge when they take the oath of office -- to protect and defend our country. Hillary Clinton has the strength and experience to give our country a better and safer future. She has the support of 30 generals and admirals. They believe she has met every test to be Commander-in-Chief on day one.

http://flags4hill.com/

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

For an ambitious and savvy politician, Barack Obama has not picked his friends wisely. They include an assortment of influence-peddlers, terrorists and Iraqi billionaires.

The jury has been selected and opening arguments were heard Thursday in the corruption trial of Antonin "Tony" Rezko. If the name doesn't ring a bell, it's because the press hasn't shown much interest in what has been considered a local Chicago story. But it has international and disturbing implications.

Hillary Clinton may have been casting the first stone in a recent debate when she blasted Obama's cozy relationship with Syrian immigrant and "slumlord" Rezko, who rose to become a player in Chicago and Illinois politics. But she was right on target.

Rezko was among Obama's earliest supporters. In 1995, when Obama ran for a seat in the Illinois Senate, Rezko, through two of his companies, gave Obama $2,000. Obama won election in 1996 in a district that coincidentally included 11 of Rezko's 30 low-income housing projects.

Rezko is known by the Chicago press as a "fixer" who can make things happen for a price. Little is done out of the goodness of his heart. He's on trial for bilking up to $6 million from the people of Illinois through kickbacks while working for the administration of current Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich. Did Rezko find jobs for Obama supporters? That is one of the questions the Chicago press wanted to ask before Obama cut short a recent press conference.

Rezko and Obama would do business yet again. In 2005, when Rezko was under federal investigation for influence peddling in Blagojevich's administration, Obama and Rezko's wife, Rita, bought adjacent pieces of property from a Chicago doctor.

The doctor sold one parcel to Obama for $1.65 million, $300,000 below the asking price, while Rezko's wife paid full price, $625,000, for the adjacent vacant lot. Six months later, Obama paid Rezko's wife $104,500 for a 10-foot-wide strip of her land, allegedly so that he could have a bigger yard.

The deal rendered the Rezko parcel too small to build on, thereby increasing the value of Obama's property. What was Rezko expecting in return for this favor to Obama that made Rezko's parcel almost worthless?

An interesting sidebar to the deal was that just weeks before, an Iraqi billionaire by the name of Nadhmi Auchi, who has a French conviction for corruption to his credit, had loaned Rezko $3.5 million through the Panamanian company Fintrade Services FA.

A 2004 Pentagon report obtained by the Washington Times identified Auchi as a global arms dealer and Iraqi billionaire "who, behind the facade of legitimate business, served as Saddam Hussein's principle international financial manipulator and bag man."

The report states that "significant and credible evidence has been developed that Nadhmi Auchi has engaged in unlawful activities" such as bribing "foreign governments and individuals prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom to turn opinion against the American-led mission to remove Saddam Hussein." He also helped "arrange for significant theft from the U.N. Oil-for-Food Program to smuggle weapons and dual-use technology into Iraq."

Yet Auchi, despite his French conviction and other activities, was somehow able to get permission to come to Chicago in 2004. John Batchelor of Human Events says that in April 2004 Auchi met with Rezko, Gov. Blagojevich, State Senate President Emil Jones Jr. and reportedly then-state Sen. Obama, who'd just won the Democratic U.S. Senate nomination.

So this, er, businessman meets Obama and friends at the Four Seasons hotel in downtown Chicago. Obama acknowledges attending an event there where Rezko was present but doesn't recall meeting Auchi. "He shook a lot of hands and met a lot of people," an Obama aide told the London Times.

Did he shake Auchi's? The newspaper said the timing of the loan to Rezko and the Obama property purchase, along with the purchase of land next door by Rezko's wife from the same seller, raise questions about whether Auchi helped buy the house. It raises a lot of questions.

Why would an Iraqi billionaire, a "fixer" like Rezko and a Saddam protege, be interested in a rising U.S. politician who was also opposed to the ousting of Hussein by U.S. forces? Why would that billionaire lend that much money to Obama's fundraiser, Rezko, with the two buying adjacent properties from the same seller on the same day?

Rezko has told a court that Auchi is a "close friend." Obviously. Aside from the $3.5 million loan, Auchi and Rezko became partners in a Midwest pizzeria business. Through various dealings, Rezko wound up owing Auchi more than $27 million. What did Auchi want in return? Perhaps a friend in the White House? Both Rezko and Auchi were, and are, in the business of buying influence.

Among Obama's circle of friends is William C. Ayers, currently a professor of education at the University of Chicago and a former aide to Chicago's current mayor, Richard M. Daley. He served with Obama on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago.

Back in the 1970s he was known simply as Bill Ayers, a terrorist with the Weathermen who was quoted in the New York Times as finding "a certain eloquence in bombs." Married to fellow Weathermen terrorist Bernadine Dohrn, he writes openly about his role in the 1974 bombing of the U.S. Capitol Building.

His memoirs appeared in the New York Times, oddly enough, on Sept. 11, 2001. In them, he wrote: "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough." Does Barack Obama agree? Or will he denounce these words of his friend as he did with Louis Farrakhan after Farrakhan's endorsement of Obama?

The trial of an Illinois influence-peddler may answer the many questions that surround the past and future of Barack Obama. Clearly, the friends he has chosen are not friends of honest, clean government or of the United States.

protactinium said...

ny repug said "IT DOES NOT SURPRISE ME THAT YOU OBAMA SUPPORTERS ARE GRASPING STRAWS TO PROVE YOUR CANDIDATE IS NOT A JERK AFTER HIS CAMPAIGN'S "MONSTER" COMMENTS, BUT YOU LOOK JUST AS DESPERATE AS THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN ITSELF, YOU HAVE BEEN IN THIS ROOM CLAIMING TO BE DEMOCRATS, BUT ATTACKING HILLARY AND BILL CLINTON USING OLD, & TIRED REPUBLICAN ENGINEERED SCANDALS FOR WEEKS."

I hate to break it to you. Obama is still up on delegates. Not quite sure where you fairytales of "grasping straws". If you truly think people of America care that someone called her a monster for her actions will have little effect on him. Most people agree with the comment. Hillary is running a last ditch campaign on Obama that makes her look like a MONSTER. I honstly thought this was one of the nicer words then most have called Sen. Clinton.

Tommorw is the Wyoming caucses. Where Obama should pull in more delegates. You know those things that actually are used to pick the nominee. Once Obama wins Mississippi and Wyoming even further making the math harder for her.

Any one hear Hillary in Mississippi. She litterly told this crowd of women that they should vote for her because she is a women. Are you joking me?

protactinium said...

"Why would an Iraqi billionaire, a "fixer" like Rezko and a Saddam protege, be interested in a rising U.S. politician who was also opposed to the ousting of Hussein by U.S. forces? Why would that billionaire lend that much money to Obama's fundraiser, Rezko, with the two buying adjacent properties from the same seller on the same day?"

Are you seriously trying to link Obama to Sadam? How very Rovian of you. But this arguement you make is like play 20 degrees to Kevin Bacon. Give me a break.

Have you ever looked at the Multi-Million dollar deals Clintons have been involved in? The scandles the Clintons money schemes makes amount you accuse Obama of schemeing childs play.

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

" protactinium said...
Today is is rumored Obama and 2 dozen super delegates had a meeting with Obama to find out when they should offically endorse Obama"


REALITY AND RUMOR SEEM TO BE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS HUH PRO?

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

PROTACTINIUM DENIES A CONNECTION BETWEEN REZKO AND OBAMA?

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

PROTACTINIUM SAVE YOUR BREATH WITH WHAT I HAVE LEARNED OF BARACK OBAMA I WILL VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


OBAMA IS NOT GOING TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THIS DEMOCRATS COUNTRY NOT WITH HIS TERRORIST CONNECTIONS

protactinium said...

Ny Repug said ," REALITY AND RUMOR SEEM TO BE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS HUH PRO?"

What are you talking about? They did meet today. We will see when they endorse Obama. Today would not be the best day anyways, probley after Mississippi. However alot of superdelegates are being asked to wait after penn.

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

AND IF YOU THINK NEW YORK STATE IS GOING TO BE WON BY BARACK OBAMA WITH HIS TERRORIST CONNECTIONS THEN YOU MUSTA HD YOUR EYES CLOSED ON 9/11 BUDDY!

protactinium said...

Ignorant In NY said, "PROTACTINIUM SAVE YOUR BREATH WITH WHAT I HAVE LEARNED OF BARACK OBAMA I WILL VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


OBAMA IS NOT GOING TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THIS DEMOCRATS COUNTRY NOT WITH HIS TERRORIST CONNECTIONS"

You need to take your meds. First you have already stated the you where an anti-Obama voter a long time ago. You are a republican of course you will vote for them in the generals.

However your paraynoid dilusional thoughts amaze me. Do you really think if Obama was linked to terriosts Hillary would not be throwing it at him right now? She is throwing everything else at him.

There is no minimual fact to these claims, but you are a racist, so I do not expect better from you. All brown people are the same right?

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

"What are you talking about? They did meet today. We will see when they endorse Obama. Today would not be the best day anyways, probley after Mississippi. However alot of superdelegates are being asked to wait after penn."

TODAYS NOT THE RIGHT DAY BECAUSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED!

WHATS CHANGED IS BARACK OBAMA IS TRYING TO RIG CAUCUS ELECTIONS IS RED STATES TO GAIN HIM THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION AND HIS SYRIAN BORN FRIEND IS A POLITICAL FIXER YOU KNOW OBAMA IS SO CLEAN HE WOULDN'T BE INVOLVED WITH A LOBBYIST OR POLITICAL FIXER NOW WOULD HE?

OBAMA + REZKO + AYERS + AUCHI = ROTTEN EGG

I KNOW YOU HAVE DIFFERENT MATH BUT THATS THE FORMULA

protactinium said...

ignorant ny repug said, "AND IF YOU THINK NEW YORK STATE IS GOING TO BE WON BY BARACK OBAMA WITH HIS TERRORIST CONNECTIONS THEN YOU MUSTA HD YOUR EYES CLOSED ON 9/11 BUDDY!"

Last time I check Bush tryed that in NY. It worked in the rural areas, but NY still went to the democrats last election. When National Security was a big issue used against Karry. You are simply crazy to think NY will vote for a republican who has made them less secure.

protactinium said...

"WHATS CHANGED IS BARACK OBAMA IS TRYING TO RIG CAUCUS ELECTIONS IS RED STATES TO GAIN HIM THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION"

Back to the baseless claims again huh?

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

"You are a republican of course you will vote for them in the generals."

IRREGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU TRY TO IMPLY ABOUT ME PROTACTINIUM WHETER YOU CLAIM I AM "REPUBLICAN" "RACIST" "IGNORANT" "CONSERVATIVE" OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU AND THE OTHER OBAMA PEOPLE HAVE TRIED TO CONVINCE ME HILLARY IS GUILTY OF EVERYTHING FROM MONEY TO MURDER PLAYING THE SAME OLD TRICKS FOOLS LIKE YOU PLAYED IN THE 90'S YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CONVINCE ME OF YOUR LIES, THE PAPERS ARE REPORTING WHAT I POSTED ABOVE THATS ACTUALLY A QUOTE DUMBA** SO THEY ARE A REPORTERS FACTS NOT PARANOIA, LOOK STUFF UP SOMETIMES INSTEAD OF JUMPING TO A CONCLUSION YOUR RIGHT, IT MAKE YOU LOOK RETARDED

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

"Last time I check Bush tryed that in NY. It worked in the rural areas, but NY still went to the democrats last election."

BUSH DIDN'T TRY ANY SUCH THING MORE RUMORS YOU HEARD I SUPPOSE, OF COURSE NEW YORK HAD DISTRICTS LIKE ALL STATES THAT VOTED BUSH BUT KERRY WAS EXPECTED TO WIN HERE AND HE DID, NEWSFLASH NEIGHBORS ARE TALKING HERE BARACK OBAMA IS NOT EXPECTED TO WIN

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

"You are simply crazy to think NY will vote for a republican who has made them less secure."

WHAT LEADS YOU TO SAY THIS IS IT BECAUSE YOU HOLD THE IRAQ RESOLUTION TO BLAME FOR MAKEING THEM "LESS SAFE" WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE IRAQ RESOLUTION IS NOT THE END ALL BE ALL THERE IS MUCH MORE TO IT AND IF WE IN NEW YORK WERE SO UP IN ARM AGAINST HILLARYS VOTE ON THAT RESOLUTION WHY WAS SHE RECENTLY REELECTED BY LIKE 7-3 IN NEW YORK? YOUR A MORON WITH NO GRASP ON FACTS!

protactinium said...

"BUSH DIDN'T TRY ANY SUCH THING MORE RUMORS YOU HEARD I SUPPOSE, OF COURSE NEW YORK HAD DISTRICTS LIKE ALL STATES THAT VOTED BUSH BUT KERRY WAS EXPECTED TO WIN HERE AND HE DID, NEWSFLASH NEIGHBORS ARE TALKING HERE BARACK OBAMA IS NOT EXPECTED TO WIN"

What are you talking about. One of the central themes to Bush campaign was National security, and he will keep us safe from terroists. NY did not by it then, NY will not by it from Mccain. Did you just get involved in politics when you saw a black man running? You seem to have a lack of political knowledge as a whole.

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

BY THE WAY JUST PREVIOUS TO THE CURRENT GOVERNOR SPITZER, WE IN NEW YORK ELECTED GOVERNOR PATAKI WHO SERVED MULTIPLE TERMS HE IS A REPUBLICAN IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW NEW YORK IS NOT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTIES B*TCH WE DO WHAT WE THINK IS BEST NOT WHAT THE PARTY WANTS

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

BUSH DID NOT TRY PROVING TO NEW YORKERS THAT JOHN KERRY WAS LINKED TO TERRORISTS THATS FALSE AND THATS WHAT YOU IMPLYED!

BARACK OBAMA IS LINKED TO DOMESTIC TERRORIST WILLIAM AYERS RESPONSIBLE FOR SEVERAL SUCCESSFUL BOMBINGS, REZKO IS A SYRIAN BORN MONEY MAN WITH LINKS TO BOTH OBAMA AND AUCHI A MAN CONSIDERED TO BE A CONSIPARTOR AGAINST THE INTERESTS OF THE UNITED STATES THOSE ARE FACTS KID, WE IN NEW YORK KNOW ABOUT IT, IF YOU WANT TO HELP OBAMA KEEP HIS SECRETS OR SPIN HIS LIES DON'T THINK YOUR NOT GOING TO BE IN FOR A REAL FIGHT!

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...
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Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

WHAT I SAID:
"AND IF YOU THINK NEW YORK STATE IS GOING TO BE WON BY BARACK OBAMA WITH HIS TERRORIST CONNECTIONS THEN YOU MUSTA HD YOUR EYES CLOSED ON 9/11 BUDDY!"

YOUR RESPONSE:
"Last time I check Bush tryed that in NY. It worked in the rural areas, but NY still went to the democrats last election. When National Security was a big issue used against Karry. You are simply crazy to think NY will vote for a republican who has made them less secure."


SEE HERE IF YOU READ WHAT I POSTED AND THEN YOUR RESPONSE YOU WOULD SEE HOW YOU TRIED TO IMPLY THAT BUSH TRIED TO SAY KERRY WAS LINKED TO TERRORISTS, READ YOUR LIES AND EDIT THEM CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU POST THEM WILL YA

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

ONE MORE CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF PROTACTINIUM IDIOCY HE WRITES:

"There is no minimual fact to these claims, but you are a racist, so I do not expect better from you. All brown people are the same right?"


I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE TO TELL YOU MORON I AM MARRIED TO AN AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMAN, GEESH! YOUR SO FREAKIN PATHETIC

protactinium said...

Obama is not linked to terroists. You are pathetic.

Also I love how you talk about Sadam and Terroists in the same posts. When in fact the terroists you accuse of him where a "group initially emerged from the campus-based opposition to the Vietnam War and from the Civil Rights Movements of the late 1960s" and broke off from students for democratic society, and have not been active sience the 70s.

Fact is Obama, and his Wife worked for UoC(University of Chicago) along with Bill Ayers.
Now before you go and blast UoC you should actually look up the level of education is offer. It is a premium school.

The "terroists" which you link Obama to are white people that have been active in society. They work together, and are from the same back yard. Why does no one ask this smut why is Ayers not in jail if he is a terrorist?

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

I ONLY GOING TO SAY ONE LAST THING TO YOU CONCERNING RACISM PROTACTINIUM:

IF YOU BELIEVE BARACK OBAMA IS AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF THE AVERAGE HONEST OR HARD-WORKING BLACK AMERICAN, THEN YOU ARE A VERY DISCONNECTED SOUL!

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

PROTACTINIUM YOU MISS A BIGGER PICTURE WE ARE CURRENTLY AT WAR WITH INSURGENTS WHO WERE LOYAL TO SADDAM HUSSEIN IN IRAQ HAVING LINKS DIRECTLY TO SADDAM HUSSEIN WHO HAS BEEN PROSECUTED CONVICTED AND PUT TO DEATH MIGHT MAKE HIS FRIENDS AND ASSOCIATES ENEMYS OF THE STATE (THE UNITED STATES)

REGARDLESS OF REASONS FOR GOING INTO IRAQ WE ARE THERE AND TO DENY WE DO HAVE SOME ENEMY'S THERE AFTER ALL THAT HAS HAPPENED IS RIDICULOUS AND MAKES ME WORRY ABOUT YA, SEEK HELP PLEASE

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

PROTACTINIUM SAYS:

"Fact is Obama, and his Wife worked for UoC(University of Chicago) along with Bill Ayers.
Now before you go and blast UoC you should actually look up the level of education is offer. It is a premium school."

HOWEVER HE FAILS TO MENTION OBAMA HAD MONEY FUNNELED TO BERNADINE, AYERS WIFE, AT THIS SCHOOL, BEING AS THOUGH OBAMA AND AYERS ARE PERSONAL FRIENDS WAS THIS TAX PAYER MONEY FUNNELED INTO HER SCHOOL NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT IT PROVIDES BUT MORE IMPOTANTLY BECAUSE OBAMA DID WILLIAM AYERS AND HIS WIFE BOTH KNOWN AND UNDENIABLE DOMESTIC TERRORISTS

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

BEING "RADICAL" AND "LIBERAL" ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS.


WILLIAM AYERS SUGGESTS BOMBS BE EXPLODED TO GET WHAT HE WANTS!

HIS WIFE BERNADINE ADVOCATES VIOLENCE, TO SERVE HER PURPOSES.

REZKO IS CONNECTED TO AUCHI AND CURRENTLY ON TRIAL WITH MORE OBAMA TIES AND SECRETS SPRINGING FORTH EVERY DAY THAT TRIAL CONTINUES.

OBAMA IS IN THIS DEMOCRATS OPINION A SECURITY RISK TO MY COUNTRY, AT THE VERY LEAST HIS FRIEND DEFINATELY ARE!

dwit said...

On a lighter note; "IRREGARDLESS" isn't a word.

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

"For an ambitious and savvy politician, Barack Obama has not picked his friends wisely. They include an assortment of influence-peddlers, terrorists and Iraqi billionaires.

The jury has been selected and opening arguments were heard Thursday in the corruption trial of Antonin "Tony" Rezko. If the name doesn't ring a bell, it's because the press hasn't shown much interest in what has been considered a local Chicago story. But it has international and disturbing implications.

Hillary Clinton may have been casting the first stone in a recent debate when she blasted Obama's cozy relationship with Syrian immigrant and "slumlord" Rezko, who rose to become a player in Chicago and Illinois politics. But she was right on target.

Rezko was among Obama's earliest supporters. In 1995, when Obama ran for a seat in the Illinois Senate, Rezko, through two of his companies, gave Obama $2,000. Obama won election in 1996 in a district that coincidentally included 11 of Rezko's 30 low-income housing projects.

Rezko is known by the Chicago press as a "fixer" who can make things happen for a price. Little is done out of the goodness of his heart. He's on trial for bilking up to $6 million from the people of Illinois through kickbacks while working for the administration of current Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich. Did Rezko find jobs for Obama supporters? That is one of the questions the Chicago press wanted to ask before Obama cut short a recent press conference.

Rezko and Obama would do business yet again. In 2005, when Rezko was under federal investigation for influence peddling in Blagojevich's administration, Obama and Rezko's wife, Rita, bought adjacent pieces of property from a Chicago doctor.

The doctor sold one parcel to Obama for $1.65 million, $300,000 below the asking price, while Rezko's wife paid full price, $625,000, for the adjacent vacant lot. Six months later, Obama paid Rezko's wife $104,500 for a 10-foot-wide strip of her land, allegedly so that he could have a bigger yard.

The deal rendered the Rezko parcel too small to build on, thereby increasing the value of Obama's property. What was Rezko expecting in return for this favor to Obama that made Rezko's parcel almost worthless?

An interesting sidebar to the deal was that just weeks before, an Iraqi billionaire by the name of Nadhmi Auchi, who has a French conviction for corruption to his credit, had loaned Rezko $3.5 million through the Panamanian company Fintrade Services FA.

A 2004 Pentagon report obtained by the Washington Times identified Auchi as a global arms dealer and Iraqi billionaire "who, behind the facade of legitimate business, served as Saddam Hussein's principle international financial manipulator and bag man."

The report states that "significant and credible evidence has been developed that Nadhmi Auchi has engaged in unlawful activities" such as bribing "foreign governments and individuals prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom to turn opinion against the American-led mission to remove Saddam Hussein." He also helped "arrange for significant theft from the U.N. Oil-for-Food Program to smuggle weapons and dual-use technology into Iraq."

Yet Auchi, despite his French conviction and other activities, was somehow able to get permission to come to Chicago in 2004. John Batchelor of Human Events says that in April 2004 Auchi met with Rezko, Gov. Blagojevich, State Senate President Emil Jones Jr. and reportedly then-state Sen. Obama, who'd just won the Democratic U.S. Senate nomination.

So this, er, businessman meets Obama and friends at the Four Seasons hotel in downtown Chicago. Obama acknowledges attending an event there where Rezko was present but doesn't recall meeting Auchi. "He shook a lot of hands and met a lot of people," an Obama aide told the London Times.

Did he shake Auchi's? The newspaper said the timing of the loan to Rezko and the Obama property purchase, along with the purchase of land next door by Rezko's wife from the same seller, raise questions about whether Auchi helped buy the house. It raises a lot of questions.

Why would an Iraqi billionaire, a "fixer" like Rezko and a Saddam protege, be interested in a rising U.S. politician who was also opposed to the ousting of Hussein by U.S. forces? Why would that billionaire lend that much money to Obama's fundraiser, Rezko, with the two buying adjacent properties from the same seller on the same day?

Rezko has told a court that Auchi is a "close friend." Obviously. Aside from the $3.5 million loan, Auchi and Rezko became partners in a Midwest pizzeria business. Through various dealings, Rezko wound up owing Auchi more than $27 million. What did Auchi want in return? Perhaps a friend in the White House? Both Rezko and Auchi were, and are, in the business of buying influence.

Among Obama's circle of friends is William C. Ayers, currently a professor of education at the University of Chicago and a former aide to Chicago's current mayor, Richard M. Daley. He served with Obama on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago.

Back in the 1970s he was known simply as Bill Ayers, a terrorist with the Weathermen who was quoted in the New York Times as finding "a certain eloquence in bombs." Married to fellow Weathermen terrorist Bernadine Dohrn, he writes openly about his role in the 1974 bombing of the U.S. Capitol Building.

His memoirs appeared in the New York Times, oddly enough, on Sept. 11, 2001. In them, he wrote: "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough." Does Barack Obama agree? Or will he denounce these words of his friend as he did with Louis Farrakhan after Farrakhan's endorsement of Obama?

The trial of an Illinois influence-peddler may answer the many questions that surround the past and future of Barack Obama. Clearly, the friends he has chosen are not friends of honest, clean government or of the United States."




** AUCHIGATE **


"Nadhmi Auchi was charged along with Saddam Hussein for conspiring to assassinate Iraqi President Abdul-Karim Qasim in 1959. Qasim was injured while his bodyguard was killed; Saddam managed to flee the country. Auchi was arrested for delivering weapons to the assassins but was later pardoned by President Qasim."

"Several US political fundraisers are currently on trial for corruption in connection with loans received from Auchi. Auchi is currently barred from entering the US by the state department as an undesirable alien.

Nadhmi Auchi was viewed with a lot of suspicion by the Iraqi opposition to Saddam Hussein's regime, regarding him as a front-man for Saddam's intelligence service. Auchi was involved in several multi-billion business deals in the post-Saddam era too, such as the Orascom mobile phone network (IraqNa), and at least one power generation contract involving Chicago-based tycoon Antoin Rezko and Iraq's former Minister of Electricity, Aiham Alsamarrae, who has been convicted over corruption charges in Iraq and is now living in Chicago."




** REZKOGATE **

"'Antoin "Tony" Rezko (born 1955 in Aleppo, Syria) is a restaurateur and real estate developer in Chicago, Illinois. Rezko is currently facing federal charges of attempted extortion, money laundering, and fraud. He is receiving media attention due to his association with presidential hopeful Barack Obama. On January 28, 2008, Rezko was arrested at his Wilmette, Illinois home for an alleged bond violation."

Rezko has raised funds for many politicians, both Democrats and Republicans. These include prominent Democrats, such as Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich, Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn, Attorney General Lisa Madigan, U.S. Senator and Presidential candidate Barack Obama, Comptroller Dan Hynes, former Cook County Board President John Stroger, and Cook County Board President Todd Stroger. Rezko has also raised money for former Illinois Governor Jim Edgar, a Republican, and he co-chaired a megamillion-dollar fund-raiser for President George W. Bush in 2003.

The indictment of Rezko on federal charges has drawn attention to his relationship with Illinois Senator Barack Obama.

In November 2006, Obama drew media scrutiny when it came to light that in 2005, he had purchased his house on the South Side of Chicago for $300,000 below the asking price on the same day that Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot for the full asking price. The lots had originally been a single lot, but the previous owners decided to sell the land as two separate lots and, according to Obama, the owners required that the sale of both lots be closed on the same date. Obama subsequently bought a 10 foot (3.0 m) wide strip of Rita's property for $104,500, $60,000 above the assessed value. According to Chicago Sun-Times columnist, Mark Brown, "Rezko definitely did Obama a favor by selling him the 10-foot strip of land, making his own parcel less attractive for development." Obama acknowledges that the exchange may have created the appearance of impropriety, and stated "I consider this a mistake on my part and I regret it." On December 28, 2006, Rita sold the property to a company owned by her husband's former business attorney for $575,000, netting a profit of $54,500 prior to expenses and property taxes. In October 2007, the new owners put the still vacant land up for sale again, this time for $1.5 million.

In June 2007, the Sun-Times published a story about letters Obama had written in 1997 to city and state officials in support of a low-income senior citizen development project headed by Rezko and partner Allison Davis. The project received more than $14 million in taxpayer funds, including $885,000 in development fees for Rezko and Davis. Of Obama's letters in support of the Cottage View Terrace apartments development, Obama spokesman Bill Burton said "This wasn't done as a favor for anyone, it was done in the interests of the people in the community who have benefited from the project. I don't know that anyone specifically asked him to write this letter nine years ago. There was a consensus in the community about the positive impact the project would make and Obama supported it because it was going to help people in his district." Rezko's attorney responded that "Mr. Rezko never spoke with, nor sought a letter from, Senator Obama in connection with that project. Obama had told the Sun-Times that Rezko raised "between $50,000 and $60,000" during Obama's political career, although the New York Times reports a total of about $150,000. Since then, Obama has returned or donated to charity more than $84,000 of funds linked to Rezko.

In the South Carolina Democratic Party presidential debate on January 21, 2008, Senator Hillary Clinton said that Obama had represented Rezko, who she referred to as a slum landlord. Obama responded that he had never represented Rezko and had done work indirectly for Rezko's firm for an estimated five hours.







** AYERS-DORHN **


"In the fall of 2006, William Ayers was disinvited to a conference for progressive educators on the grounds that his position supporting political terrorism would tarnish the reputation and standing of the progressive education movement"

Ayers was a 1960s-era political activist and Weather Underground member. He grew up in Glen Ellyn, Illinois, a suburb of Chicago in a highly privileged family (his father, Thomas Ayers, was Chairman and CEO of Commonwealth Edison) and attended Lake Forest Academy. According to Ayers' memoir Fugitive Days, he became radicalized at the University of Michigan. During his years there, he became involved in the New Left and the SDS.

Ayers went underground with several comrades including Brandy Diekman, after their co-conspirators' bomb accidentally exploded on March 6, 1970, destroying a Greenwich Village townhouse and killing three members of the Weather Underground (Ted Gold, Terry Robbins, and Diana Oughton, who was Ayers' girlfriend at the time). He and his colleagues invented identities and traveled continuously. They avoided the police and FBI, while bombing high-profile government buildings including the United States Capitol, The Pentagon, and the Harry S Truman Building housing the State Department. Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn raised two children, Zayd and Malik, underground before turning themselves in in 1981, when most charges were dropped because of prosecutorial misconduct during the long search for the fugitives. They also adopted a son, Chesa Boudin, who is the biological son of former Weathermen David Gilbert and Kathy Boudin.

Ayers published his memoirs in 2001 with the book Fugitive Days. His interview with the New York Times to promote his book was published on September 11, 2001, and includes his reaction to Emile De Antonio's 1976 documentary film about the Weathermen: "He was 'embarrassed by the arrogance, the solipsism, the absolute certainty that we and we alone knew the way,' he writes. 'The rigidity and the narcissism.'" In this interview, he also was quoted as saying, "I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough."

Ayers has also edited and written nearly a dozen books on education theory, policy and practice.



Things That Make You Go Hmm?

timeforchange said...

Um, pro....

You don't think many, many people are voting for Obama because he's supposedly black and many others because he's a MAN??

I back Hillary in part because she's a woman. She is also the superior candidate.

timeforchange said...

Chicago politics isn't corrupt, huh?

So to be a part of this Machine is to belong to something special. And the Machine doesn’t just embrace politicians. It also nurtures an army of businessmen, contractors, entrepreneurs, shady operators, sleaze balls, and outright criminals who feed off city contracts and depend on politicians to grease the system to funnel the goodies their way. In return, the politicians get campaign contributions, fancy dinners at 5-star restaurants, sweetheart deals on everything from cars to houses, and occasionally cold, hard cash.

This is a city where the politician, the businessman, and the criminal element constantly rub shoulders and have been known to exchange hats on occasion. Every once and a while, an “insurgency” rears its head and runs an independent slate of candidates. Sometimes, they meet with limited success – especially after some mind-blowing example of sleaze has been splashed across the papers for a couple of months prior to the election.

from pajamasmedia

timeforchange said...

Obama is starting to make Bush (whom I cannot stand) like a saint:

Then there was the strange case of Obama intervening with the State Department on behalf of one of Rezko’s business associates who was being denied entry to the US because he was considered an “undesirable alien.”

One of the richest men in the world, Nadhmi Auchi, who Rezko owed more than $27 million in “loans,” was looking to come to Chicago. After receiving another “loan” from Auchi, Rezko told prosecutors that he approached Senator Obama to try and get a visa for the billionaire. Obama denies he was approached and there is no record (yet) of any entreaties he made to the State Department on Auchi’s behalf.

from Chicago Sun Times

timeforchange said...

All these "suspicious" relationships, business deals and so forth are what make me not trust Obama. As the story says, there seems to be no bottom to the story about Rezko, Ayers, Achi, et al. When in doubt (as I and many voters are), don't vote for the guy. Too many fishy and scary things in his past!!

"The significance of this relationship (with Rezko) is that it proves that Barack Obama is not who he claims to be – a new kind of politician who will lead us all to the Promised Land. Obama can lie like any normal politician. He can do favors for his supporters who give him money. He can do business with scam artists like Rezko whose illegal activities authorities are still trying to unravel.

Given what we know already, there doesn’t seem to be a “bottom” to this story yet. And what we find when we get there may yet prove to be Barack Obama’s undoing as a candidate for President of the United States."

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

** AYERS-DORHN **
** REZKOGATE **
** AUCHIGATE **

John McCain Is Foaming At The Mouth !

timeforchange said...

One after another after another revelations of Obama's lack of ethics, poor judgment and willingness to rub elbows with shady "businessmen" to get to the top make him a very questionable candidate for the true change he touts.

If he is willing to or has to rub elbows with these corrupt types, then how can a rational, intelligent voter think he is really going to bring change to Washingtion or this country?

Maybe he'll bring change, but will it be the Chicago kind of change of corruption and questionable judgment/associations?

from Pajamasmedia:

By themselves, none of these relationships should be enough to significantly damage the Obama campaign, but taken together, they start to build a picture of a candidate who too closely associates with radical ideologies, a perception already being shaped by both the Clinton and McCain campaigns.

timeforchange said...

From Sister Toldjah,

Obama SAYS he doesn't take money from lobbyists. Truth is:

1) On not taking money from DC lobbyists and special interest PACS: This is the type of double-talk “politics of the past” rhetoric he rails against. While his claim is technically true, what he does do is take money from state lobbyists and other big money contributors who have substantial lobbyist machines in DC, like law firms and corporations. In April 2007, the LA Times quoted the Campaign Finance Institute’s Stephen Weissman as pointing out that the distinction Obama makes on lobbyist money is meaningless: “He gets an asterisk that says he is trying to be different. … But overall, the same wealthy interests are funding his campaign as are funding other candidates, whether or not they are lobbyists.” The Capital Eye reported that “[a]ccording to the Center for Responsive Politics, 14 of Obama’s top 20 contributors employed lobbyists this year, spending a total of $16.2 million to influence the federal government in the first six months of 2007.” Obama’s no stranger to being influenced by those campaign donations, either.

timeforchange said...

The Puppet Obama:

2) His ability to “get things done”: Sure he has it, if you consider that every bill he passed as a State Senator was passed his last year in office by a Democrat-controlled legislature. Also, some of the more high profile accomplishments he cites now like the racial profiling/videotape confession legislation were bills where a lot of the legwork had been done by other Democrats in the legislature years prior when it was controlled by Republicans, but were given to Obama by his kingmaker, Senate president Emil Jones, Jr. in order for him to make the “close” (where he often did). When asked about this by the Houston Press’ Todd Spivak, State Senator Rickey Hendon replied, “I don’t consider it bill jacking. … But no one wants to carry the ball 99 yards all the way to the one-yard line, and then give it to the halfback who gets all the credit and the stats in the record book.” This isn’t to suggest that Obama’s achievements in the state senate are totally without merit, but instead to point out they weren’t all done by his leaping tall buildings in a single bound. He had a lot of help from Democrats. Consider this, too: if he wins, he will have a solid Democrat Congress to work with, so the only “reaching out” he’d have to do would be to the few moderate Republicans who have already proven themselves all too eager to vote with liberal Democrats

timeforchange said...

YOU are no JFK Obama and you seem to shade the facts or have a very poor memory:

3) His courage: Contrary to a recent hyperbolic campaign ad, it wasn’t “courageous” to give his 2002 anti-war speech, primarily because he delivered it at an anti-Iraq war rally. At the last debate, America’s former co-president claimed that it was easy to give that speech, and it wasn’t a gamble for him because he wasn’t in the US Senate and therefore wasn’t in a position of responsibility. Obama’s impassioned reply was, “I was in the midst of a U.S. Senate campaign. It was a high-stakes campaign.” Wrong. In reality, Obama did not announce his intentions to run for the US Senate until January 2003.

timeforchange said...

EQUIVOCATOR!! (language meant to deceive) LIAR!!


4) Experience: He downplays the question now, but after he was elected to serve in the US Senate in 2004, he was questioned about running on a national ticket. His response was, “I am a believer in knowing what you’re doing when you apply for a job. And I think that if I were to seriously consider running on a national ticket I would essentially have to start now, before having served a day in the Senate. Now, there are some people who might be comfortable doing that, but I’m not one of those people.” A little over a year later, he definitively stated he would not run for president, and wanted to serve out his full Senate term.

timeforchange said...

Can't walk and chew gum at the same time!!!

5) His “commitment” to Afghanistan: He believes the US “took its eye off the ball” when we went into Iraq, and promises to refocus on Afghanistan as president. The reality is that since Obama began chairing the Senate Foreign Relations Committee’s Subcommittee on European Affairs in January 2007, not a single policy hearing has been conducted on anything, Afghanistan or otherwise. When Clinton brought this up at the Cleveland debate, Obama conceded, “I became chairman of this committee at the beginning of this campaign. … So it is true that we haven’t had oversight hearings on Afghanistan.” ‘Nuff said

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

time that last sentance there is not true listen to the poll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMDTZUVOL8U

Barack Obama is NOT really that POPULAR with republicans as OBAMA WOULD HAVE US BELIEVE!

timeforchange said...

OmegaPaladin :
As a Chicagoan, I can see a few problems with your background. The machine is excellent at keeping it self in power. Quite literally, Daley is so conservative at the city level he has prevented any GOP challengers from making headway. He also keeps the city running, and avoids a Jesse Jackson as mayor.

This has led to a high tolerance for corruption in Chicago. Rezko blends with a ring of scams and scandals at the state and city level.

It doesn't help that the ILGOP has suffered critical failure thank to George Ryan.

timeforchange said...

His "community activist" Messiah has made his political career on the backs of a slum lord who has taken advantage of the "poor" to make millions of dollars for himself and to any honest evaluation for Hussein Obama, also.

This liberal doesn't care in the least.

Those hundreds of thousands of minorities and underprivileged freezing in apartments while Rezko was off "raising" money for the Messiah don't rate a concern.

Yes, the Messiah stands for "hope and change". Lots of "hope" for more of his shady friends to make "change" on the backs of the poor and needy.

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

in a head to head match up between Barack Obama And John McCain Research Is Reporting:

8% Of Republicans Prefer Barack Obama

While,

14% Of Democrats Prefer John McCain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMDTZUVOL8U

timeforchange said...

Is Rove working behind the scenes to help make Obama the nominee so they can tear him apart in the general election? I wouldn't put it past him or the republicans. He knows he cannot do the same with Hillary since she is already vetted.

This would also explain why the caucuses are so pro Obama with the republicans in sheep's clothing bullying their way to an Obama caucus victory.

http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2008/02/republican-party-activists-have-been.html

timeforchange said...

NY dem,

And those percentages are BEFORE the republican swiftboat machine gets ahold of Obama!

He is UNELECTABLE!!

timeforchange said...

In a blog posted the morning after the Iowa Caucus, Adrianna Huffington lauded the Illniois senator as practically the Second Coming. She didn't have much to offer in the way of specifics, however, and spent the bulk of her remarks railing at Bill Clinton, who she said had conducted himself in an interview as "arrogant and entitled, dismissive and fear-mongering".

With an eye to social justice, the founder of Huffington Post might have viewed as a mitigating factor the former president's four-year mission to raise hundreds of millions of dollars for Africa, Asia and New Orleans. Yet like his wife, Bill gets no points for actual public service.


What has Obama doen to raise money for the disadvantaged here and in Africa?

timeforchange said...

How the press is helping Obama at Hillary's expense (unfairly):

Way on the back burner of reportage -- three of Bobby Kennedy's own children, the son of Cesar Chavez and the United Farmworkers union had already endorsed Clinton.

In Nevada, Latinos in the 60,000 member Culinary Workers Union defied their white male leadership's endorsement of Obama and helped Clinton win the caucus there.

While the Florida primary was showing Clinton with a 15 percent lead in the polls, CNN fill-in anchor Bob Acosta complemented NBC's aggressive push by declaring the Obama campaign had become a "runaway train" following its big South Carolina victory.

timeforchange said...

By Erica Jong
Monday, February 4, 2008; 12:00 AM

"Look, the only people for Hillary Clinton are the Democratic establishment and white women," said Bill Kristol yesterday on Fox News Sunday, one of the many "news" outlets to expose Kristol's reliable sexism. "The Democratic establishment would be crazy to follow an establishment that led it to defeat year after year," Kristol continued in his woolly, repetitive style. "White women are a problem, you know. We all live with that."

Bill Kristol has been much criticized for his war mongering, arrogance, poor writing and lack of fact checking. But at least the guy is honest. He considers women a problem -- especially white women. And he feels confident enough as an alpha male to be open about it. "I shouldn't have said that," he demurred. But he can say anything he likes and still fall eternally upward. He's a white man, lord of all he surveys -- including Hillary Rodham Clinton.

timeforchange said...

I understand my hopeful friends who think an Obama button will change America. But I'm sticking with Hillary. I trust her because all her life, her pro bono work has been for mothers and children. And mothers and children -- of all colors -- are the most oppressed group in our country. I trust her to speak for our children and grandchildren -- and for us. She always has.

Erica Jong

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

"Who Is Nadhmi Auchi and What's His Tie to Obama?
By Jack Kelly

You probably would have heard of Nadhmi Auchi by now if Sen. Barack Obama were a Republican.
A British citizen of Iraqi descent, Mr. Auchi, 70, is a billionaire, the 279th richest man in the world, according to a Forbes magazine survey last year.

A great deal of Mr. Auchi's money was made doing business with the regime of Saddam Hussein, much of it under the table. In 1987, Mr. Auchi helped French and Italian firms win a huge oil pipeline contract in Iraq, chiefly by paying off Iraqi officials, according to testimony given by an Italian banker to prosecutors in Milan. In 2003, he was convicted for his role in what was then the largest scandal in French history, involving payoffs from executives of the oil company now known as Total to political figures in Spain, Germany and Africa.

"He has been able to collect British politicians the way other people collect stamps," wrote Nick Cohen in a 2003 profile of Mr. Auchi in the left wing British newspaper the Observer.

Mr. Auchi was a leading supplier of arms to Saddam's regime. A former Belgian ambassador to Luxembourg charged that a bank in Luxembourg owned principally by Mr. Auchi laundered funds -- including oil for food money -- for Saddam and other Islamic dictators.

"The name Nadhmi Auchi was just another name for Saddam's intelligence service, or so we thought," said Nibras Kazimi, a former Iraqi dissident who is now a visiting scholar at the Hudson Institute in Washington D.C.

Mr. Auchi is a business partner of Syrian-born businessman Antoin "Tony" Rezko, who has supported Mr. Obama financially since his first run for the Illinois state senate in 1996.

Mr. Rezko currently is in jail awaiting trial on charges he extorted money from firms seeking to do business with the state of Illinois. (Mr. Rezko was also a fund raiser for Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich.) Mr. Rezko's bail was revoked Jan. 28 when the trial judge learned that he, friends and relatives had been wired $3.5 million from firms in Lebanon controlled by Mr. Auchi. The judge feared Mr. Rezko was about to flee the country.

Federal prosecutors allege a $10,000 contribution made by Mr. Rezko to Sen. Obama came from a $250,000 kickback, but there is no evidence Sen. Obama was aware of the source of the funds. Nor is there evidence Sen. Obama did any favors for Mr. Rezko that skirted the law.

The most eyebrow raising connection between Mr. Rezko and Sen. Obama is the assistance Mr. Rezko provided in the purchase of the mansion on Chicago's South Side that Sen. Obama bought in 2005. The Obamas bought the house for $1.65 million -- $300,000 below the asking price -- perhaps because Mr. Rezko's wife purchased from the owner an adjacent garden plot for $625,000. (The sellers deny they offered the Obamas a discount.) The Times of London wondered where Mrs. Rezko got the money to buy the garden plot. At the time, she had a salary of $37,000 and assets of only $35,000, the Times learned. Her husband told a court that at the time he had "no income, negative cash flow, no liquid assets," the Times said.

The Times learned Mr. Rezko received an earlier $3.5 million loan from Mr. Auchi on May 23, 2005, through the Panamanian company Fintrade Services SA.

Mr. Rezko has described Mr. Auchi as a "close friend." Mr. Auchi says they have only a business relationship. They've been partners in a chain of pizza restaurants in Wisconsin and in a major real estate development in Riverside Park in Chicago.

The connection between Mr. Auchi and Sen. Obama is tenuous. But given Mr. Auchi's shady past, his history of bribing politicians, it's not unreasonable to ask if Mr. Auchi, through Mr. Rezko, was trying to buy influence with a rising political star. And it's curious that outside of the Chicago Sun Times and the Chicago Tribune, both of which have written extensively on the Rezko-Obama relationship, only a British newspaper is asking.

The New York Times and the Washington Post have made much of Sen. John McCain's friendship with an attractive female lobbyist, though not even the Times' anonymous sources allege Sen. McCain had an affair with Vicki Iseman, or acted improperly on behalf of her clients. But they and the rest of the national news media have been remarkably incurious about Sen. Obama's relationship with Mr. Rezko, and his with Mr. Auchi.

Mr. Rezko's trial begins Monday, March 3. It will be interesting to see if the national news media will cover it."

timeforchange said...

Obama on change you can believe in.

Has Obama's campaign about changing American politics come down to the Clinton's tax returns?

protactinium said...

You Hillary supporters are Insane. Congrats, you have killed the blog with your useless hate. Most will not read through all your useless bull crap you posted.

Well it looks like Obama is going to win wyoming, as the some caucus are comming in. More delegates for Obama! You know. Those things that count.

Have you guys seen the ad Obama is running in Mississippi? Very effective. Making Hillary eat her own words. Obama is having his state surragotes attack her while he takes the high road.

Good concept, we will see if it works against Hillarys attack ad, and victim.

If it works well I bet we will see similar tatics in Penn to make people not trust Hillary.

As for you other two numnuts. You are clearly voting on emotion. You will twist and bend anything to fit your hateful worlds. Go vote for Mccain. He is banking on the parynoid, and emotional voters like you to go to him.

YES WE CAN! Hillary goes down more delegates!

Anonymous Ny Democrat said...

DEFINATELY WORTH YOUR TIME:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56rTu_O_ACw

timeforchange said...

Obam is a racist:

Anti-Indian: After the Obama campaign released a paper disparaging other candidates for their ties to the Indian-American community, the chairman of the bipartisan US India Political Action Committee, Sanjay Puri, stated that the Obama Campaign was “engaging in the worst kind of anti-Indian American stereotyping.” Of course, Obama denied any hand in the racist document put out by his campaign.

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