Democratic Convention Watch: Open Thread

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

Open Thread

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What is McCain's latest "senior moment", what does Obama need to do to win in November or whatever else is on your mind.

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suzihussein22 said...: iv dave-Number 8 is the topping on the pumpkin pie. Ooh, speaking of old, let me get my Mike out of the dessert.; November 27, 2008 1:14 AM
suzihussein22 said...: Suzi's Mike says you got to try the eggnog pupmkin pie toss the conmilk and add eggnog! WOW its GOOOOOOOD! Mike; November 27, 2008 1:22 AM
suzihussein22 said...: Doesn't he sound like he's trying to get a guest spot on Martha Stewart? :); November 27, 2008 1:24 AM
suzihussein22 said...: iv dave-thankful political recipe-

Obama as President
Biden as VP
leaders that reach across the aisle
constituents that actually contact their reps
a WH that is organized and will have a plan

Does that get me a little back on topic?; November 27, 2008 1:27 AM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Suzi and Mike! I've never been a real eggnog drinker. But I'll take the rum. :); November 27, 2008 1:53 AM
Karen Anne said...: Mike, thanks for the card pointer, I love kittehs.

Poor Ann Coulter. I have been trying all day not to generate bad karma for myself by indulging in too much thinking about this. Then I remember some stuff she's said, and I contemplate how many root canals are likely to be in her future from this.

Wow, both those groups going broke?; November 27, 2008 2:11 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Happy Thanksgiving everyone. AJ; November 27, 2008 2:37 AM
Karen Anne said...: Happy Thanksgiving, AJ and everyone.; November 27, 2008 7:35 AM
Independent Voter said...: Donna, I don't recall seeing you post on here before. Welcome! And Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

And a Happy Thanksgiving to the entire DemConWatch family :); November 27, 2008 1:31 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Thank you Donna, and welcome to posting on this site.

verification sounds like not coy...who, me? :); November 27, 2008 7:31 PM
jean said...: Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

jean; November 27, 2008 11:42 PM
suzihussein22 said...: k a-Along a sci fi thread-

http://video.yahoo.com/network/100284668?v=3958595&l=3774740; November 28, 2008 2:31 AM
Karen Anne said...: Thanks, suzi :-)

I actually had roomba at one point, but it took longer to clean it and fix it than it would have to just vacuum myself.

There used to be a yahoo group owned by roomba where people traded maintenance tips and roomba hacks but it seems to have disappeared.; November 28, 2008 5:50 AM
suzihussein22 said...: k a-I grew up with a swing set and a bike. I don't remember ruumba. I was trying to catch the alpaca video for you. Did you see it? I almost posted the Ginger the Cat for Pres. if I had seen it before Nov. 4. Most of the animal videos are so sweet and funny. When you catch people doing some of that stuff, it's called assault or abuse...crazy, eh? :); November 28, 2008 8:22 AM
Karen Anne said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; November 28, 2008 9:44 AM
Karen Anne said...: Suzi, your link led to a video of a cat riding on a roomba robotic vacuum cleaner :-)

If you want some campaign nostalgia see this offshoot of icanhascheezburger:
http://yeswecanhas.com/; November 28, 2008 9:46 AM
Beryl said...: I have 3 Roombas. It is a pain to clean every few days but worth it to keep my floors clean of hair/fur from my 3 little dogs. I never realized how dirty my floors got every single day until I started using this thing. I just wish they could navigate stairs and furniture.; November 28, 2008 10:42 AM
Mike-in-GA said...: Beryl - they do navigate stairs - but only once - hehehehe! Unless mount heavy duty bumper rails! The volume of traffic is way down the last few days. Must be Thanksgiving Day hangover I guess. Hope you all had a safe and happy Thanksgiving and don't spend all your money on Black Friday.; November 28, 2008 2:08 PM
Beryl said...: I didn't spend a single cent on Black Friday. There is a reason that my FICO score was over 800 (before the credit crunch which reduced everyone's limit).

Just paid one of my sister's bills and plan to count that as a Christmas gift.; November 28, 2008 8:14 PM
Independent Voter said...: Beryl, we are with you. Except that we don't do Christmas per se. We always have a football party instead of a "gift exchange". Bill and I don't really care for football, but most of our friends do, so that is our Christmas. We usually end up spending about $200 total for Christmas. Of course I do all the cooking while he does mot of the hosting.; November 28, 2008 8:59 PM
suzihussein22 said...: confession-I ended up going to a couple of sales on the way to visit some family. It was the practical things though. The kids always need shoes. :) Our son's feet are bigger than mine already.

iv dave-I hear ya on spending for Christmas. Mike's sister is making blankets for everyone. We have a cousin that sends the kids those Christmas chocolate calendars.; November 28, 2008 10:30 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Oh, a roomba isn't a toy. :-O; November 28, 2008 10:31 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL suzi (on the roomba comment). LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And when the kids need shoes, they need shoes. Gotta love it! LOL!

Chocolate calendar? Hmmmmmm, not sure if I have ever heard of that. Are they edible? If so, how do they serve as a calendar? LOL!; November 28, 2008 10:47 PM
Independent Voter said...: Oh, by the way, just in case anybody didn't know, Monday is World AIDS Day. From what I have been told by the LGBTQ-SU Director at SDSU, if it is at all possible, everyone should wear red on Monday (to raise awareness).; November 28, 2008 10:55 PM
suzihussein22 said...: iv dave-Fine, take a break from your papers to laugh at me. :P

I'm not sure where the chocolate advent calendar comes from. Our cousin's dad's from Denmark...so 24 days of treats.

Chocolate=Edible; November 29, 2008 12:30 AM
suzihussein22 said...: iv dave-I had just read a story caption about the UN advising against cutting funding to AIDS prevention programs.; November 29, 2008 1:23 AM
Mike-in-GA said...: Hi guys - I'm kind of glad I live in the country here in Georgia. I can't imagine how shoppers can get so out of control like in NY. They trampled a man to death. When the management told the customers the store was closing they said "we've been standing in line since Thursday morning" and continued to shop. One witness called them "savages" and thier actions sure seem to back it up. I'll stick to shopping online during Black Friday. Hope you all had a good turkey day.; November 29, 2008 1:31 AM
Independent Voter said...: Suzi, I remember reading something about that too, and I'm really disgusted because all that does is leave millions of Africans high and dry, and out to fend for themselves. I understand that we are experiencing a global recession but somethings should just be off limits to funding cuts.

-

Mike, as I've stated before, I'm totally non-religious, but how this event became so damn commercialized is beyond me. It makes me sick to know that people care so little for their fellow man that trampling others to death (NY), and nearly causing a woman to miscarry (also trampled in NY), 2 people dead in CA (Palm Desert) from gunfire IN A TOY STORE of all places. It's just gut-wrenching.

I have 2 solutions.

1) Decommercialize the holiday, completely.

and if 1 fails

2) Go ahead and open the doors at 5 AM, but not make the sale prices go into effect until 1 PM or even later. This way there would be no need for hundreds of people to show up at 10PM the night before.; November 29, 2008 1:45 AM
Independent Voter said...: Goodnight everyone. It's been a very long day.; November 29, 2008 1:45 AM
jean said...: Just got sent a e-mail from my bestfriend.

It has a bunch of quotes.

"You are not so important that you have to win every argument.
Agree to disagree."

Just a grin.

I now have to go do Snack Bar for the High School and my son is not even on the team.
Raising money for the department.
Keeping happy thoughts.

jean; November 29, 2008 1:21 PM
suzihussein22 said...: I wasn't expecting to find this in the entertainment section-

http://www.fandango.com/gayiconslifeyieldslessonsafter30years/news/2388

It sounds like Shriver's been a good influence on Ahnuld.; November 29, 2008 2:44 PM
Karen Anne said...: http://spotlight.news.yahoo.com/v/10836826; November 29, 2008 3:23 PM
suzihussein22 said...: jean-One year, our son needed shoes every six weeks.

word verification looks like jamaican...tally me bananas :); November 29, 2008 6:41 PM
vwis said...: Hope everyone here had a good Thanksgiving Holiday.; November 30, 2008 5:26 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I was just re-watching Obama's 2004 Convention speech and he sure has put on the years since four years ago...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fMNIofUw2I

It is amazing to think that in 2000 he couldn't get into the convention because he didn't have ticket then in 2004 he gave his speech, 2008 was elected president - only in America!; December 01, 2008 1:04 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama's Acceptance Speech after the primary and before the election...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQGsP8mnHsg&feature=channel

I'm traveling down memory lane this evening :); December 01, 2008 1:31 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Votes are still being counted. Election night Obama had a 7 million vote lead... now it is over 9 million according to wikipedia.org

Grand total
Popular vote totals are unofficial

Barack Obama 68,465,974 / 52.80%
John McCain 59,417,826 / 45.82%

I am hoping that in 36 days when the electoral votes are counted Obama will have a 10 million vote margin.; December 01, 2008 1:47 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: November 4, 2008

President-Elect Barack Obama in Chicago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jll5baCAaQU&feature=related

Just remember that we're not blue states and red states .. we are the UNITED States of America ;); December 01, 2008 2:29 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 01, 2008 3:00 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Here's a little compilation of videos of Ann Nixon Cooper - the lady that Obama mentions in his victory speech in Chicago November 4, 2008

Ann Nixon Cooper 106 Year Old Voter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcSUaG3G-eI&feature=related

Elderly woman speaks after Barack Obama tribute
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfETvU6njUo&feature=related

106-year-old Obama Supporter Ann Nixon Cooper Speaks 11-5-08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy8RnERLK60

106 Year Old Gets Obama Call
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTaaBJp8ozw&NR=1; December 01, 2008 3:05 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Something seems fishy in Mumbai...

First they said that there were 40 terrorists - now they say there were 10.

First they said they had arrested a couple of terrorists the first day or so - now they say there is only ONE that they captured.

First they said that the two top guys that were the head of anti-terrorism department were killed in the aftermath of the violence - now they say that they were targeted by the terrorists.

And why are all the top officials now resigning?

Also they said that for two weeks security was increased because of threats and then it was downgraded right before the attacks.

Something doesn't seem right.; December 01, 2008 3:21 AM
Karen Anne said...: Leah, I think Obama has lost some weight, also the grey hair. I wonder if he is getting enough vitamins, which can cause the latter.; December 01, 2008 5:49 AM
Karen Anne said...: No acorns, no hickory nuts being produced in some places, squirrels need your help -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/29/AR2008112902045.html; December 01, 2008 6:14 AM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Leah - on the India news......

I can explain the difference in just a couple words: News Media!

They are always rushing to get the story first. Once one person states something (right or wrong), it gets repeated by other organizations whethter it is wrong or right.

I think the 40 sounds correct. The 10 number were the number of targets hit if I remember correctly. There are also conflicting stories because there weer some that came in by the stolen boat, and there were others already in place on the ground. They had been planning and staging this attack for months.

On the decreased security, and then it happening, with them having people on the ground, they may have delayed the attack when they saw the security measures increased. Then when they were relaxed, they would have green lighted the operation.

So easy to slip back into that military operations mentality of mine. ;o); December 01, 2008 9:01 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: curse and damnation!

friend of mine in the Detroit area got laid off a couple hours ago.; December 01, 2008 12:34 PM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Sorry to hear that Vicki.

Know how that feels. Got 18 working days left before severence pay begins. ;o) There are some benefits to getting laid off, but it doesn't always feel that way initially. My whole team got laid off and one of them has been with the company for 35 years. We are getting 1 week severence for every year, so our layoffs are going to cost the company some pretty good $$$.; December 01, 2008 12:41 PM
jean said...: Hey everyone.
Hope things are well.

I have a question.
Has any president elect funded a transition like this.
Here is a bit of info.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/12/01/obama-transition-releases-donor-list/

Perhaps this is redundant but I can be a bit slow.
Anyone want a couple of teenagers for let us say, 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 years??????????
Just asking and the prior is a real question.

jean

I know I have not been around much but things have been more than crazy.; December 01, 2008 4:20 PM
Beryl said...: One of the pundits on This Week said that Obama's transition will be the Gold Standard going forward. He is demonstrating to the country how it should be done.; December 01, 2008 4:30 PM
jean said...: beryl,
Do you know if it is normal to finance the majority of one's transition team?

jean; December 01, 2008 4:42 PM
Beryl said...: Nope. I don't know.; December 01, 2008 4:44 PM
Karen Anne said...: This says the government forks out $8 million for the transition -
http://opencrs.com/document/RS22979

I expect Obama's transition is much more costly than this, since he has to be ready even before day one to git the ground running.

Emit (and Vicki->friend), I am sorry about your layoffs. I got laid off 4-5 times when the dot com stuff was collapsing, and it was very scary. You guys should apply for unemployment insurance asap. In California we got that despite having severance packages.; December 01, 2008 5:23 PM
jean said...: karen anne,
In reference to the unemployment.
I also just filed.

Tell your friend that the benefits have been extended and she can file on line. Being laid off also means you do not need to do an interview and it is really fast.
Sorry to hear. It sucks.

jean; December 01, 2008 5:38 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Stress takes toll on Obama, develops chronic facial tic
Michelle said to be distraught over spasms under right eye

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82364

Not so sure how true this is but I've seen it reported in more than one place.; December 01, 2008 5:57 PM
suzihussein22 said...: leah-I wonder if lutein would help. I had eye strain to the point of muscle spasms in my face and it helped me. I didn't take long to kick in either.

k a-sqirrel crisis-I wonder if it has anything to do with the pine tree blight. We had another kind of tree that almost went extinct on us(this region) that bore nuts.

jean-I can understand crazy. I just got some bad medical news about 2 friends. My friend that's going through her second round of chemo I'm going to make a coffee goodie basket. You wish you could do more.

peevish-I guess I'll be in your neck of the woods again the weekend before Christmas. Something came up last night. You better order up some nice weather before you leave us. I hope the family's doing good.; December 01, 2008 6:13 PM
Karen Anne said...: suzi,

I hope all turns out well with your friends.

leah,

I would not worry about the facial tic. Over the years I have had several instances of an eye tic. They just go away after awhile. And they haven't even been at times of a lot of stress.

As to stress, with all Obama has been thru with the long primary (thanks, Hillary) and then the general and then the problems the country faces, I think it is amazing he has not stressed out more.

I hope Michelle is not distraught. It's not like this is fatal or something.

He has shown good sense during the campaign is getting some rest from time to time, and I think they have a trip to Hawaii planned this month, partly for a service for his grandmom, so that may give him some down time.; December 01, 2008 6:24 PM
Karen Anne said...: Also, I guess someone should remind him and us that we aren't expecting Superman, just someone intelligent who does a good, responsible job.; December 01, 2008 6:25 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Leah said...
. . . why are all the top officials now resigning?

In most parliamentary-type governments (as is the case in India), it is customary, and actually expected, that the people who head departments that have some type of major failure will resign and accept at least some of the blame for that failure.

If that same philosophy held in the US, I'm sure that every person who was part of Shrub's cabinet and head of every other major agency would have resigned, or failing that, been publicly fired (if anyone but Shrub had been President).

Also they said that for two weeks security was increased because of threats and then it was downgraded right before the attacks.

CNN reported that the Taj hotel had received warnings, and had put up metal detectors at the front entrance. It also was inspecting all luggage for a while. The hotel historically restricted the guests to entering only by that front entrance.

Apparently (conflicting reports), the hotel got some info (no one is saying from where) that the warning was incorrect and/or the precautions it was taking was making it almost impossible to carry on the function of a working hotel, so the metal detectors were taken down and the luggage searches were halted.

However, even if the precautions had been in place last week, reports say that they probably wouldn't have stopped the attack on the hotel, as the attacker(s) apparently came in through other hotel entrances, those used by employees, not hotel guests.

I haven't heard what security measures were or were not in place at the employee entrances - always locked and key or security card or code needed? Security guard? Always open, with no security?

Mike; December 01, 2008 7:21 PM
jean said...: suzi,

I am so sorry to hear about your friend.
You just reminded me that my life is perfect and that my simple obstacles
just make life more interesting.

In reference to the shoe thing with your son. My son did his growth just twice, 8-10 and 10-12. Each in just one month. I was lucky:)

The husband was off on vacation last week and we did home improvement(painting)and watched the daughter's games and just did family time.
Oh yeh, son and wisdom teeth and we just got back from getting the stitches out.

You have had a rough time between,
mother in law, dogger, and now your friend.

Make sure to take care of yourself:)

jean; December 01, 2008 7:50 PM
Beryl said...: "Not so sure how true this is but I've seen it reported in more than one place."

I'd sure like to see it reported elsewhere. That site is looney-tunes!; December 01, 2008 10:28 PM
suzihussein22 said...: jean-It's funny, I don't remember how the stitches were taken out for my Mike this spring. I probably blocked it out. He had a rough time and lost a piece of jaw bone. I would be happy to take the kids...later. :) Our son's growth isn't showing any signs of stopping or our daughter's. They are almost teenagers themselves. I almost took custody of my teenage nephew a few years ago. That would've been like having 3 more kids, but you go with the flow. It sounds like the game payed off. :); December 01, 2008 10:42 PM
suzihussein22 said...: jean-Oh yeah, it sounds selfish, but very particular about taking care of myself. I've got one of those vitamin regimen whatever you call it that includes what I specifically need, including lutein.; December 01, 2008 10:47 PM
jean said...: suzi,
You are not selfish.
You are smart.

jean; December 01, 2008 10:58 PM
Independent Voter said...: Hey guys, still very busy, so this is going to be my only post for a few days, but I do come in and read most of the comments.

I have been thinking about Hillary being SoS. Yes, I think she will do a great job. But I am really curious about something, and it should make anyone pause and at least think about it(even though at this point it is simply conspiracy on my part).

I have the feeling that Obama really would have liked Hillary to be his running-mate. HOWEVER, I also think that he felt he HAD to be pragmatic about his decision when it came to his base of supporters. So close to the convention so many of us were still really upset from the primary. So what my thought is that he felt that he would lose much of his base had he chosen her (no I would not have abandoned him because I think they would make a great team), and he simply couldn't risk that. We know how upset many of his supporters were when he voted in favor of the FISA bill, could you imagine how much of his base would have felt abandoned had he picked her (at the time). Remember, Biden's speech? People were still booing her, which I believe was VERY disrespectful. Now that the primary and the general election's are over, he has found a top spot for her in his administration.

And in MANY respects we ALL know that SoS is much more powerful a position than the VP slot.

Therefore, this is a HUGE win for her, IMHO.

Anyway, I know, it's a conspiratorial sort of way of thinking about it, but in some ways, to me at least, it makes sense.

Ok, gotta run, VERY busy night tonight and day tomorrow.....wish me luck, I've done what I can on my end to get this Prop 8 Walkout/Protest for tomorrow. I'm truly hoping it is successful because I am the ONLY organizer of the event. I couldn't even get the LGBT Resource Center on campus involved because they are funded by the University. I'll let you guys know on Wednesday how it went.

Take care, all! See you again soon.; December 02, 2008 12:11 AM
Karen Anne said...: iv,

Maybe about Clinton. I do feel for Biden a little, because it looked like he was going to be the foreign policy guru. But reportedly he and Clinton are good friends, so maybe something will be worked out. I don't want him to be sitting around with nothing to do, feeling useless.

I am not that upset about her being chosen, except I do worry about the Palestinians, given her very rightwing stance, and there's always Bill, who apparently made a graceless statement about her being chosen. Plus I have to wonder about her when she's under pressure, ex the Bosnia stuff.; December 02, 2008 2:54 AM
Karen Anne said...: iv, p.s. good luck with the protest.; December 02, 2008 2:55 AM
Beryl said...: I think Biden will be just fine. He will be Obama's confidant with access to him at all times on all issues. Granted, foreign affairs is his strong suit but I see Joe as an official sounding board on final decision making.; December 02, 2008 11:43 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: No new posts on this thread for over 12 hours !!! Where has everyone gone ;(

Lots of news today all over the place including here on DemConWatch, HuffintonPost, MSNBC, CNN, etc. and no one is talking about all the new stuff! Amazing.

1) Chambliss beat Martin in the run off.

2) Good article on HuffintonPost regarding Obama cleaning house.

3) Bill Richardson will be named Secretary of Commerce in the morning.

4) Articles are still coming out about Hillary as SoS and the U.S. Constitution.

5) Palin was still wearing the RNC clothes while campaigning in Georgia.

6) Obama met with most of the U.S. governors in PA - first time for a president-elect to ever do that.

Obama will be our 44th president and I still get teary eyed when thinking about it ;); December 03, 2008 1:40 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: PRESIDENTIAL LINE OF SUCCESSION (Obama Administration)

1. Joe Biden (Vice President and President of Senate)
2. Nancy Pelosi (Speaker of the House)
3. Robert Byrd (Senate President Pro Tempore)
4. Hillary Clinton (State)
5. Timothy Geithner (Treasury)
6. Robert Gates (Defense)
7. Eric Holder (Justice)
8. TBD (Interior)
9. TBD (Agriculture)
10. Bill Richardson (Commerce)
11. TBD (Labor)
12. Tom Daschle (HHS)
13. TBD (HUD)
14. TBD (Transportation)
15. TBD (Energy)
16. TBD (Education)
17. TBD (Veterans' Affairs)
18. Janet Napolitano (Homeland Security)
19. *Susan Rice (UN Ambassador)
20. *TBD (EPA)

I finally got a cool word verification on this post: unifi; December 03, 2008 2:37 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: CBS: Nixon's Condolence Call to Young Biden

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zE5Cztxgc4

.; December 03, 2008 2:46 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: A little look into Iraq that most people haven't seen...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b9b_1227815237

.; December 03, 2008 3:04 AM
suzihussein22 said...: May she rest in peace-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/03/odetta-voice-of-civil-rig_n_147955.html

She had hoped to sing at the inauguration.; December 03, 2008 7:23 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 03, 2008 11:37 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 03, 2008 11:42 AM
Aunt Jean said...: I don't think it's worth mentioning about if Hillary is eligible for SOS. I didn't see it mentioned in any major news. I think Obama and Hillary will have it covered. AJ; December 03, 2008 1:58 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: AJ-

In the end it probably won't be a problem, but it is in the news.

Here on the FoxNews political page as the featured story today:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/index.html

Here on MSNBC:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/11/25/1688640.aspx

I have also seen it on CNN, Washing ton Post, etc. All I am saying is that we have not heard the last of it because Congress will have to do something in order for her to become eligible for the position.; December 03, 2008 2:50 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Pelosi Helping Clinton Avoid Constitutional Hurdle To State Post

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/12/pelosi_will_support_efforts_to.php

.; December 03, 2008 4:24 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: LOL

CNN is reporting "Obama 'deeply disappointed' [with] Richardson"

The reason?

Richardson shaved off the beard!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/12/03/obama-deeply-disappointed-richardson-shaved-beard

Mike; December 03, 2008 4:27 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike in Maryland-

Here ya go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULJagViV_6I

.; December 03, 2008 5:37 PM
Beryl said...: This is the kind of thing that gets me misty:
------------------
As I’m chatting with Obama, the moderator says, “Governor Richardson, what do you think of that?” And I look at him like a deer in the headlights. I was about to say that I hadn’t heard, when Obama puts his hand over his mouth and says, “Katrina.” So I gave my four-point plan on Katrina. When I was done and the debate moved on, I looked over and said, “Thanks, you’re okay.” He said, “Nothing to it, brother.”
-------------------------
http://www.esquire.com/features/what-ive-learned/bill-richardson-and-obama-0109#

Obama is a heck of a guy.; December 03, 2008 5:39 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: WARNING: FOR ADULTS ONLY

Kimmel: Palin kills Rudolph

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWz6HTgPIwQ

WARNING: FOR ADULTS ONLY; December 03, 2008 5:39 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Beryl-

I am surprised that that Richardson story has come up again. I remember Richardson telling that story back when he came out and endorsed Obama in the primary while giving an interview on 60 minutes or Meet the Press or somewhere like that, he used that story as an example of what kind of person Obama is and why he felt comfortable endorsing him.; December 03, 2008 5:55 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: LOL...

GOP Congresswoman Hangs Up On Obama Twice

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/1208/RosLehtinen_hangs_up_on_Obama_Twice.html

.; December 03, 2008 6:48 PM
jean said...: leah,
Showed the son Rudolf.
He said it really seems like a Southpark thing.

Yep, he laughed. I am not sure that is good. Oh yeh, I did also:0

jean; December 03, 2008 7:25 PM
Karen Anne said...: Beryl, that article makes me like Richardson a lot. He sounds like a down to earth, funny guy. Too bad he is not going to be SoS.

I hope Hillary gets some management help running State.; December 03, 2008 7:28 PM
Aunt Jean said...: We have the best one for the job of SOS. AJ; December 03, 2008 10:46 PM
Aunt Jean said...: -- A new national poll suggests that Americans think President-elect Barack Obama's getting it right when it comes to his Cabinet picks, especially Hillary Clinton and Robert Gates.

A poll shows 71 percent of Americans approve of Barack Obama picking Hillary Clinton for secretary of state.

Seventy-five percent of those questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey approve of Obama's Cabinet choices, with 22 percent disapproving.

That's 16 points higher than those in favor of then President-elect Bush's Cabinet picks eight years ago.

The poll indicates that 71 percent approve of Obama picking Sen. Hillary Clinton for secretary of state. Democrats overwhelmingly approve of the choice, with two-thirds of independents agreeing and Republicans evenly split on the pick.; December 03, 2008 10:49 PM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 03, 2008 10:54 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

this was the featured story today on foxnews was this:Ahead of Hearings, Some Lawmakers Back Bankruptcy for Big Three. Hillary was just another story. On msnbc that story if you look at the date was from nov. 25th that was 8 days ago. AJ; December 03, 2008 10:56 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Aunt Jean,

Can you P L E A S E give it a rest?

We KNOW you do not like Richardson, but not everything posted about possible problems that President-elect Obama and SoS-nominee Clinton (or any other politician) are knocks on the subject of the post. They are sometimes comments about what other people are reporting.

I remember in July, 1972, when the Watergate break-in was first reported. I was attending college at the time, and several of my friends and I discussed that it could be a problem for Tricky Dick - we just didn't realize how MUCH of a problem. Following the initial reports, for weeks at a time there were no reports, then a scattering of reports, a trickle, and then a flood of reports, but eventually the break-in was part of the downfall of Tricky Dick. It took more than 2 years, but eventually the break-in caused him problems.

If the press had taken your advice of "drop it - it's eight days old" when reporting the Watergate break-in, there would have been no President Ford, and President Carter might not have been elected but some other Rethug - maybe Ronnie Raygun in 1976, not in 1980. Or, the Rethugs might have tried to amend the Constitution to repeal Amendment XXII that limited the President to two terms, and we might have been stuck with Tricky Dick for several more years.

BTW - the so-called Richardson 'stabbing the Clintons in the back' incident was in February. With that, we're now discussing 10 MONTHS, not 8 days.

In other words, G E T...O V E R...I T...N O W P L E A S E !!! I am (and I presume many others are) getting real tired of your bleatings on this subject being 'old news'. Old news does NOT mean it is unimportant news.

Mike; December 04, 2008 12:30 AM
Karen Anne said...: Mike in M,

I think you overreacted there.

AJ is entitled to her opinion, which she expressed nicely. This wasn't the bash Richardson as an incarnation of Satan every time his name comes up, AJ was just expressing her considered opinion, just as I was expressing my concern about Hillary's management skills.

We can agree to disagree and discuss things on, as someone or other would say, an edifying plane :-); December 04, 2008 5:39 AM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Ok, has it been long enough? Would it cause trouble? A lot of politicians lie. A lot of politicians have affairs.

Have you guessed that I'm talking about John Edwards?

I think he would be a good nominee for the HUD seat, but not sure the Dems have forgiven him like his Wife already did.

Can't we move on and let someone that wants to work poverty issues do what they are passionate about?; December 04, 2008 9:33 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Emit

Putting Edwards on the list might cause Obama problems. Myself I think he should for the simple fact he's so passionate about poverty issues but there is a lot of people that will not forgive. I see it everyday.

I try not to judge people to harshly because after all we or human and make mistakes. We all have our reasons for making them. Some might be valid or at least in our eyes but they might not be in yours does it make it more wrong or them more wrong not in my eyes. Just different but I'm not their judge and jury like some people think they are.AJ; December 04, 2008 10:08 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 04, 2008 10:20 AM
Emit R Detsaw said...: LOL A.J.

People do like to judge - even though they haven't gotten thier law degree to know what they are talking about.

One thing about the Obama Cabinet so far. I think he has been going after the best people, regardless of what people think or say about different people. I wouldn't have made some of the appointments that he has, but in restrospect (even before they really start) I think he has done an Outstanding job filling out the cabinet.; December 04, 2008 10:21 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Karen Anne

thank you I wasn't trying to bash anyone that wasn't my intentions. I was just expressing an opinion.

If it had been any new news then I probably wouldn't have said anything. I do think that it is important if Obama hit's a road block to be able to discuss it.

I was just pointing out that it wasn't anything new that's all.AJ; December 04, 2008 10:21 AM
Karen Anne said...: Emit,

I wonder how Elizabeth is doing. I would be happy to see her in any slot, I think she was consulting on healthcare.

Edwards is just so slimy, it is a little early for him to be acceptable again. He really hasn't even faced up to the situation in full. I also agree that it would be a big PR problem.; December 04, 2008 10:26 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Emit

I also think he has done a fine job.

I know myself that I have done some really stupid things in my life and people have judged me harshly on but if they knew the whole story they might understand.

But then again some people think that they are beyond making stupid mistakes. AJ; December 04, 2008 10:26 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Emit

even though I don't like Richardson [that's a fact]LOL. I don't think Obama is nuts ,crazy, or plain stupid for doing it. I respect what he has done so far and I will respect who he picks. I can get past my feelings to see the good that can come out of the people that he picks. AJ; December 04, 2008 10:33 AM
Emit R Detsaw said...: A.J. "even though I don't like Richardson [that's a fact]LOL."

Really? I hadn't noticed. ;o) jk

Just like my attitude towards Bill Clinton. He did a lot of good things, but I have some negative feelings for him because of some of the things he was responsible for (as Pres) that happened to the Military (I was in during his administration). I try to stay away from bashing him, I really do. But sometimes I slip. ;o); December 04, 2008 10:41 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Emit

I can understand where you are coming from. But there are some people that think everyone is suppose to be perfect like they think they are. I'm far from being perfect.

I know that I also will slip sometimes but that is just being human. AJ; December 04, 2008 10:51 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Emit

did you see the video on Bill saying that he will stay out of the way. It was pretty good. AJ; December 04, 2008 10:54 AM
Emit R Detsaw said...: I missed that one somehow, but heard one of the MSNBC talking heads making a comment about it.

Personally I think any living Former President should be reached out to and consulted. I know Obama will reach out to Bill, maybe Jimmy, and possibly George 41. George 43 should only be reached out to to slap that silly little man. ROFLMAO; December 04, 2008 10:59 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Emit

I'm in total agreement with you: George 43 should only be reached out to to slap that silly little man. ROFLMAO. I'm also ROFLMAO.

Of course he could do the exact opposite. LOL AJ; December 04, 2008 11:33 AM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Too bad there are not more people like this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28050405/

There is a special place in Heaven reserved for people like this.; December 04, 2008 11:46 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Emit

we need more people like that in this world.AJ; December 04, 2008 11:56 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: AJ-

I posted my comment (2:50pm yesterday) about the Fox feature story 10 hours before you posted your comment. When I posted about the story regarding HRC and the Constitution it WAS the featured story on the Politics page.

I don't mind being corrected when I am wrong but I do when I am correct - headlines do change after a ten hour period.

We can disagree about issues but facts are facts ;)

---
Yesterday it felt like spring here in Houston today it is winter .. now it is starting to feel a little bit like Christmas ;); December 04, 2008 2:26 PM
jean said...: In reference to the HRC salary and constitution thing.
All she has to do is accept a lower salary and several other options are also available.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/04/clinton.eligible/index.html

It has been dealt with before and will be dealt with again.

I am now going to give some dishwasher info that I did not know that can be helpful.
My dishwasher, too much money, had to be fixed under warranty.
1. They say there is a disposal and not really. Always scrap ALL food off plates especially lettuce, rice and corn. It will clog the pump.
2. Use DISHWASHER MAGIC, found at most Homedepots and Lowes, every 3 months. It's main ingredient is Citrus which will clean out the built up calcium etc. so the sprayers will not get clogged.
3. YOU can clean out the pump which is at the bottom of the dishwasher by undoing several screws and all you do is empty it and scrub it. NOW the pump works.
4. My dishwasher only uses 1.6liters of water to wash the dishes and it does save ALOT of water.
5. Running your dishwasher with white vinegar should be done every two weeks BUT does not replace using Dishwasher Magic which gets rid of the hard minerals or calcium deposits in your dishwasher. These deposits plug the holes, which are smaller to save water, and you want the thing to work.
6. Older dishwashers had larger holes so there were not as many problems before and they did not save water.

I know some people will think this is minor information.
A total of 11 hours on different days and appointments and waiting for parts made this important to me.
Why waste the time.
To fix a dishwasher in labor alone is approximately $150.
Dishwasher Magic is $5.

jean; December 04, 2008 2:36 PM
jean said...: doug, where are you doug,

Just asking for a view point.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/12/04/canada.crisis/index.html

Miss talking to you.
I also know I have been lame in responding, things have been a bit crazy.

jean; December 04, 2008 3:10 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

I was on the internet on the political news on fox, cnn, and msnbc at 1:50pm that story was not their feature story. AJ; December 04, 2008 3:14 PM
jean said...: Aunt Jean,
Please look at what I put on my last comment.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/04/clinton.eligible/index.html

It was an issue but easily overcome.
It has been overcome with past administrations etc.

It will have to be dealt with.
But easily.
Obama would not have done this unless he thought so.

jean; December 04, 2008 4:06 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: AJ-

Whatever.

But YESTERDAY at 2:50pm it WAS the featured story on the Fox Politics page.

I don't have a screen shot of it and it is not worth bickering about.; December 04, 2008 4:08 PM
Independent Voter said...: Jean, regarding the dishwasher tips. My pipes are getting rusty, but I think the "Dishwasher Magic" would be a little rough on the liver. :); December 04, 2008 4:27 PM
jean said...: indy,

It is Citrus based.
You will be fine LOL.

Goes with Margaritas and Screwdrivers:)

jean; December 04, 2008 4:37 PM
jean said...: Indy,
OH GOSH DARN.

I think I have to delete my last comment.
I didn't mean it to come out that way.
jean; December 04, 2008 4:43 PM
Karen Anne said...: jean,

Thanks for the info. I replaced an old dishwasher a few months ago, so this is handy to know.

Another household tip :-) to prevent drains from clogging and rescue ones that aren't too clogged, run Hot water in to fill up the whatchacallit (trap?) under the sink. Then pour in a cup of bleach and let sit for two hours. Flush with more Hot water. Cross fingers, this has worked every time, and I have a long history of failing with commercial drain opening products.

Now does someone know how to prevent or remove the black spots (mildew?) on the top of the clothes washer tub that are just out of reach?; December 04, 2008 4:44 PM
Karen Anne said...: jean,

How much vinegar do you use in step 5? You just pour it in and run a regular cycle?

(People not responsible for housecleaning should avert their eyes from the following):
Does anyone know how to unclog calcium deposits form the holes water comes thru in a toilet? I had plumbers out who said I had to replace the entire toilet, but since it's a seldom used one upstairs, I said no thanks.; December 04, 2008 4:49 PM
jean said...: karen anne,
YUP.

Get Spray Clorox up cleaner with bleach.
Do it morning and night for a week for the super hard spots and then scrape and paint with mold resistant paint from the paint store.:)

jean; December 04, 2008 4:53 PM
jean said...: karen anne,
not much .

Fill the regular dispensors for wash and prewash and just 1/2 a cup you throw in the bottom before you close the door.

In reference to the toilet just replace it.
It only costs $100 for the toilet and the chemicals alone to clean it, never mind the time, is not worth it.
The chemical I use is CLR, actually that is the brand.
Calcium, Rust and Lime. $20 a gallon and you would need several.
The thought of how much time it would take makes me want to go on vacation.

jean; December 04, 2008 5:01 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Jean

I do realize that it's been dealt with many times before, that it's really not an issue or at least with major news.

It was an issue but easily overcome.
It has been overcome with past administrations etc.About the Constitution. That might provent Hillary from getting SOS.
What I was talking about is I was on the internet looking at Fox, Cnn, And msnbc and I never seen a feature story about it. But there was a story about it on other parts of them.AJ; December 04, 2008 5:03 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

no it's not worth arguing about because it's a mute point. Like I said I'm sure that Obama and Hillary knew about it before and will take care of it. AJ; December 04, 2008 5:05 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Jean

I really don't think CLR is very good. I've never had luck with it. The best thing to do about the toliet is to put vinegar pass the water hole and let it set for a couple of days. Then take a small wire brush and stick in the hole as far as you can. As far as the mildew on the washing machine take a spray bottle of clorex brand bleach and spray leave on for a few minutes then take a spray bottle of clean water and spray again real good. AJ; December 04, 2008 5:17 PM
Aunt Jean said...: I meant clorox not clorex sorry. AJ; December 04, 2008 5:20 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Karen Anne

have you tried using a baby bottle brush? One of the cheap ones that has a wire all the way to the handle.; December 04, 2008 5:23 PM
jean said...: Aunt Jean,
I agree.
You know I truly admire HRC and I personally think that the SoS position will be a 4 yr post.
I do believe that she could possibly run in 8yrs, I only hope.
The position she is taking is good for her future and I think she will enjoy it. By the way I think it will only be 4 yrs because she will make that choice.

To scramble things a bit, Bill said he would consider working for the Obama administration.
He does have some baggage but he would do quite well.
Talk about power in your corner:)

And yes, I do not like Richardson.
It is politics, I don't have to but it could work well.

jean; December 04, 2008 5:26 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Jean

I also think it will only be a 4 year position [her choice] and I do hope you are right about her running again in 8 years. That would be the icing on the cake. Wouldn't America be in great shape when Obama is there for 8 years then Hillary gets its for 8 more years. That my friend would be awesome. AJ; December 04, 2008 5:48 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Be back in alittle while my sister is getting her metal roof on and I want to see what it looks like. AJ; December 04, 2008 5:53 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Senate prepares legal remedy for Clinton nomination

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/1208/Senate_ready_with_legal_remedy_for_Clinton_nomination.html

Excerpt...

Democrats are readying legislation that could be acted on as soon as next week to pave the way for the New York Democrat's confirmation in Barack Obama's Cabinet.; December 04, 2008 5:57 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: As far as who might be running in 2012, I think it will be all new people that no one is evening thinking about right now.

Eight years from now is a very long time and we will be living in a different world.; December 04, 2008 6:02 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: In the first segment of Countdown tonight, Keith and Jonathan Turley (constitutional law professor and scholar at George Washington University) had a discussion of the subject of whether Senator Clinton can or cannot be Secretary of State. Turley is pessimistic about the prospects.

Video will be up later tonight (December 4, 2008) at:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677 , probably some time after 9:15 pm.

Mike; December 04, 2008 8:30 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 04, 2008 8:50 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: God bless the Obama family and God bless America!; December 04, 2008 9:02 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike in Maryland

I believe this to be silly do they not have something else to do than talk about something that has been solved more than once.Matter of fact several times. It's such a mute point and very boring. AJ; December 04, 2008 9:24 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

now do you really think with Hillary getting 17,18 million votes that she will just throw in the towel. Not hardly. AJ; December 04, 2008 9:26 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 04, 2008 10:10 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: AJ-

In the 2008 general election there were around 131 million ballots cast. Obama got over 69 million of them.

I understand that HRC received 17 million in the primaries, but she will have to have much more support than that the next go round. It will all depend on what happens during the next eight years. She will be 68(?)years old in 2016 and might not be up to running by then.; December 04, 2008 10:11 PM
jean said...: Leah,
The option is there for HRC to run,
she also said she would not.
I know I would like it and 68 is not old for a woman compared to a man. Yes things could change, I still think she is a wise choice.

In reference to the tenacious criticism of whether she can be SoS due to the minimum raise of $4700 that was done by the executive order of the president(BUSH).
Do YOU think this has not been thought out by Obama?
Obama, the most tenacious man on the planet.
Does anyone think that this is tragically undermining what Obama has planned METHODICALLY AND that HE chose HRC and that 71% want her to have the position. Part of that percentage is 50-50 Republican.
UNITY.
I call this poking the stick and see the outcome.
Something that Obama worked very hard at NOT doing.
The action of appointing HRC in this circumstance is not new, it has been done before.

jean; December 04, 2008 10:26 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

true Hillary only got 17, 18 million votes during the primaries but so did Obama. So that doesn't mean anything. As far as her being 68 that is nothing for a woman.There is no doubt that she would get enough to win if everything goes as I think it will. AJ; December 04, 2008 10:39 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Jean

my niece does this in labor: she was in labor went to the hospital and they sent her home because she was only a three. Well she lives anout 20 minutes from the hospital when we got her home she said that to take her back to the hospital because the baby is coming. When we got to the hospital my great nephew came in this world 10 minutes later.

She had already 3 kids and it happened to all 3 kids and she tried to tell the dr and he wouldn't listen to her. Go figure some men are so dumb! AJ; December 04, 2008 11:04 PM
jean said...: AJ,
I went into false labor at least 6 times with each kid.
The minute their lungs were clear I checked in at 9pm(HMO) had a epidural at 10pm and one was born at 7am and the other at 7:10am.
They are one year apart. Not twins.
If a cop tried to stop my husband during any of the false runs, well, I would feel sorry for the cop.
When I had my kids it was when there was all this kidnapping and missing newborns in hospitals.
My husband was running around with his head chopped off trying to keep track where they were going.
Looking back it was funny, he sounded like thunder running down the hall heh heh.
Scared the heck out of the nurses.
jean; December 04, 2008 11:22 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Jean

that is so funny men can get so crazy sometimes when they are going to be a dad. I feel sorry for them.AJ; December 04, 2008 11:32 PM
jean said...: AJ,
Don't. Still kept mine and over 19yrs:)
Have a good night.
Farmer's hours you know.
jean; December 04, 2008 11:51 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Jean

I do remember farmers hours. LOL Goodnight sweet dreams. AJ; December 05, 2008 12:06 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Aunt Jean said...
Mike in Maryland

I believe this to be silly do they not have something else to do than talk about something that has been solved more than once.

Aunt Jean,

The main reason I brought up that this was being discussed on Countdown is because you stated that ALL reporting of this was 'days ago'.

No.

It is being discussed at various Internet sites, newspapers and news channels (and not just on Faux News) on an almost daily basis, or even more often.

Further, the only reason that we have the 'Saxbe solution' is because no one has gone to court to challenge it. As long as the Supreme Court makes no decision (or remains silent), the ONLY thing that can be stated with authority is that the Supreme Court has made no decision on whether the 'Saxbe solution' passes Constitutional muster.

I made a couple of errors in my previous posting:

1. The discussion between Keith and Professor Turley was the second segment (not the first) of Thursday's Countdown (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677); and

2. Professor Turley is pessimistic that IF a case is brought that the Supreme Court would rule the 'Saxbe solution' is Constitutional. In other words, if a case is brought, the USSC would rule AGAINST Hillary serving as SoS. However, Professor Turley also stated that he didn't think anyone would actually bring a case, thus (if no case) there would not be a Supreme Court ruling, and Hillary would serve as SoS.

Mike; December 05, 2008 2:29 AM
suzihussein22 said...: God bless him-

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/12/04/businessman-offers-splashy-inauguration-package-for-free/

Maybe some of these people will be able to pay it forward some day.; December 05, 2008 8:18 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike in Maryland

you are mistaken. What I said is that I didn't see it as the feature story that it was in other stories. I never said that it wasn't talked about. All I meant is that I believe it to be a mute point. It's been done several times before. Unless someone wants to bring a lawsuit because its Hillary and shes a woman.

I'm sure that you can find a story about it on several news stations somewhere. I just think people are making a big ado about nothing. The ones that are making a big ado about it is the ones that are bias against Hillary.

Do you not have confidence in Obama in knowing that he will be able to have this matter taken care of? AJ; December 05, 2008 9:31 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike in Maryland

you can also find articles in the news about if Obama is a natural citizen. I don't believe that I think it's someone trying to stir up a news story that's not true.

But the fact is it's there doesn't matter if it's true or not. AJ; December 05, 2008 9:34 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike in Maryland-

There is a question for a lawyer on the front page article regarding HRC and the Constitution here on DCW in the comments section - I believe that one you could help out on ;)

http://www.demconwatchblog.com/2008/12/what-if-hillary-clinton-cannot-be.html; December 05, 2008 2:31 PM
Mike-in-GA said...: Matt/Oreo - did you all realize you are adverstising for the GOP at the left portion of the thread? They are soliciting for the MN Recount!; December 05, 2008 2:42 PM
tmess2 said...: The appointment provision looks like one that the U.S. Supreme Court would rule is a political question (i.e. one which the court simply refuses to address on the theory that it is properly decided by the two political branches -- a way of punting separation of powers questions) or would very narrowly define standing (who could bring the case) to limit to members of the Senate.; December 05, 2008 2:43 PM
Karen Anne said...: Mike in GA,

I don't see the GOP ad, but I say click on it and cost them some money :-)

Thanks to everyone for the housekeeping tips :-) I will try that bottle brush idea, AJ.; December 05, 2008 2:47 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: If someone see the GOP ad again then please copy the link info and email it to

dem con watch @ google groups dot com

without the spaces and with a real dot.

Then they can block the ad.; December 05, 2008 3:21 PM
Mike-in-GA said...: Here's what I am seeing:

Minnesota Recount
Support the RNC in the MN Senate Recount. Donate to the RNC Today.
GOP.org/Runoffs&Recounts; December 05, 2008 4:32 PM
Mike-in-GA said...: Leah - I got the email to go through and sent it to them. Thanks!; December 05, 2008 4:36 PM
Joshua said...: I received an email from Obama team (author was actually Joe Biden) telling me that as I am one of the donors throughout the Obama election, would I please donate some money towards retiring Hillary’s campaign debt. The email reminded me that she did over 70 events for Obama during the general election and that “Her undeniable intellect, talent, and passion strengthened Barack as a candidate and tested our movement for change.”

I am unmoved. I will not donate one penny to her campaign debt that she used to savage Obama. I am even upset that she has been chosen for SOS, bypassing more deserving people like Bill Richardson or Kerry. It seems to me that only the enemies are being rewarded while friends like Dr. Dean etc are left out. I am still not even sure what role Dave Plouffe has (I suspect that he is the campaign manager for Obama for America 2012, which was already announced by Obama on November 4th if you paid attention to his words election night).

I hope that Impeachment-is-off-the-table Pelosi does not thwart the Constitutional prohibition preventing Hillary from serving as SOS.; December 05, 2008 4:45 PM
Beryl said...: Wow, you are not a Hillary-fan. LOL!

I got that email too, gagged a little, and then archived it. I remember her campaign manager saying that we should not think about that debt anymore -- it will be taken care of. I believed him and not thinking about her debt.

HRC will be a terrific SoS and they will resolve that minor issue around the raise. She will probably just not take the raise -- it is less than $10K, I think.; December 05, 2008 5:14 PM
Joshua said...: No, I am not one of Hillary’s fans. I do not believe in not holding people accountable for their words and actions. I am concerned that allies like Claire McCaskill, and Jennifer Granholm, etc don’t have a role in the administration yet. Of course I don’t want cronyism, but I think those are good quality people who can contribute. I understand about not taking people out of the Senate, etc. But if any senator deserves to serve in the Obama cabinet, it should be Claire, not Hillary.; December 05, 2008 5:26 PM
Joshua said...: 1. Hillary not taking the raise does not correct the Constitutional issue raised. It only attempts to circumvent it.

2. If she is paid less than other cabinet secretaries, will I be hearing next about how women are paid less than men for the same job?; December 05, 2008 5:43 PM
Beryl said...: Joshua - The intent of the law is to avoid conflict of interest. An official should not not be able to give themselves a raise.

Also, I am not concerned about HRC making less than male counterparts since it has been a while since a man was a SoS anyway.; December 05, 2008 6:34 PM
Joshua said...: Article I, section 6 of the Constitution provides "No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office."

That is quite simple and plain. It says nothing about not taking the pay raise. It says that you can’t do it, period.

Your argument is the same as saying: if you are caught stealing a merchandize from a store, then if you return the item you did not committed a crime.; December 05, 2008 7:07 PM
Joshua said...: One cannot un-ring a bell. The pay for the Cabinet was increased during HRC’s term in Congress. She cannot take a job as a member of the Cabinet as there is no way to go back and un-raise the pay for Cabinet secretaries. If she proceeds to serve as SOS, then I shall be disappointed in Obama, a Constitutional Law professor. We have had 8 years of a president who used the Constitution as a door-mat. My support for Obama has two cornerstones: judgment to see that the Iraq war was a “dumb” war when others thought that it was a good idea; his understanding of the Constitution and his pain at Bush trashing it. HRC serving as SOS undermines both for me.; December 05, 2008 7:51 PM
suzihussein22 said...: ka-Here's some stuff I found. It has measurements that I hadn't followed for a while-

http://www.doityourself.com/stry/vinegarbakingsoda

Just make sure you're rinsing good if you try bleach first, or vice versa.

Even catsup is good for rust removal. That's how I helped get my old high chair ready for my nephew. It will probably still be good to use for the next generation but I can wait. :)

As far as cleaning products go, at least Mean Green is biodegradable.; December 05, 2008 9:11 PM
Karen Anne said...: Joshua,

I am not a Hillary fan, but she worked her butt off for Obama once he became the candidate. Yes, she has defects, but I don't think they'll interfere with her work as SoS, except I am a bit worried about her management skills. Presumably Obama's people are on that and will compensate for it.

I haven't donated to her campaign. She and Bill have a giant ton of money, let them pay their own debts.

I don't think the Constitutional problem will fly, since two other SoSs have served, with reduced salaries, regardless of it.; December 05, 2008 9:20 PM
Karen Anne said...: suzi, Thanks. Maybe I should try ketchup on my late Mom's Buick, which has that manufacturing defect in the primer that makes the paint peel. I wonder how much ketchup I'd need to cover the roof :-); December 05, 2008 9:27 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: And if you have battery acid on your car battery cable posts you can pour some Coca-Cola on there and watch it disappear ;)

Has this thread turned into Heloise's Hints LOL :)

p.s. My thanks goes out to the person with the Dishwasher Magic tip - I'm going to go out and find some this weekend.; December 05, 2008 9:41 PM
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Beryl said...: I obviously agree with you Karen. I'm less of a HRC fan than I was 1 year ago but I still respect her. It was her leadership style (which may be the same as what you note as her management style) that gave me pause a year ago but she has so much to contribute to getting out country back on track. It actually gives me positive chills to see her standing among those who will serve in Obama's administration. He really has selected an "A-Team".

Even with us being on the brink of the 2nd Great Depression, this time in US politics is a wonderful time to be alive and engaged.

What do you all think about the possibility of Caroline taking HRC's Senate seat? Two Kennedys on the Hill with Teddy still struggling health-wise gets me all misty.; December 05, 2008 9:44 PM
Karen Anne said...: Joshua, p.s. The rumor is that Howard will run for Senator as Leahy is going to retire. That will give him more time in Vermont, where Judy still has her practice, vs. a Cabinet post.; December 05, 2008 9:44 PM
Karen Anne said...: Beryl, I had been hoping Caroline would get Ambassador to the UN. That would have had her in New York with her family more than being Senator. Plus I don't know if she likes actual campaigning, which she'd have to do next time around.; December 05, 2008 9:48 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: The New York senate seat was Robert F. Kennedy's seat years before it was Hillary's. So, if Caroline did want it and got it then it would be pretty neat :); December 05, 2008 9:57 PM
Independent Voter said...: Personally I think Caroline Kennedy would be a good pick to replace Hillary in the Senate. However, I'm not sure if it is something that she would enjoy or not. Perhaps PE Obama and Uncle Teddy talked her into pursuing it. That would be cool.

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On a side note, yes I have been busy and extremely vindictive. I'm working with Join the Impact, as well as some other organizations to get the word out of an idea that I had.

And when I say vindictive, I mean vindictive. Ok, nothing harmful to anyone, but I still think it is a great idea (and a lot of people are taking part in it.

So here is the idea that I had and have already done. I wrote a misleading letters to the LDS church in Salt Lake City as well as Focus on the Family. And I requested information from them. The ONLY reason is because I know that they would send those beg-a-thon letters. You know the ones. The ones where they send a request for donations with those "No Postage Necessary" envelopes. That is what I was after, the envelopes.

So now the fun and vindictive part. What we are doing is writing letters to send back to them (without any identifying information....including no return address). So what we are doing is putting MUD in a bag, and then putting it in a box, and then lying the letter on top of the bag of mud inside the box. The letter basically tells them that they are receiving the mud for their next mud-slinging campaign against gays. And then we attach the "No Postage Necessary" envelope on the outside of the box.

Why are we doing this? Well since they were the major donors to the Yes on 8 campaign, and they want to retain their tax-exempt status, this is our way of keeping people employed, and keeping our postage costs down, while at the same time reducing their warchest with every box. They pay about $.25 per ounce. When we return these boxes they have to pay for it because we don't leave a return address or name. They end up paying about $25 for each box. :)

You all never knew I could be such a vindictive bitch did ya?; December 06, 2008 12:20 AM
Joshua said...: I’d be very careful. You may be committing several federal offenses. Disclosing such here may not be wise.; December 06, 2008 1:03 AM
Independent Voter said...: Joshua, NOPE, no federal offenses committed. It was mud. It is not illegal to send mud through the mail. Secondly, I went to the post office, told them, and they thought it was funny :)

I cleared it before I did it. I know how to cover my ass.; December 06, 2008 1:05 AM
Joshua said...: OK. Good luck.; December 06, 2008 1:09 AM
Joshua said...: IV, are you aware that anthrax lives in mud? Are you aware of all the pathogens that live in mud? Are you aware that the mud may be mistaken as bioterrorism and that the city may respond with the HAZMAT team? Are you aware that the bill for same would go to you, at least?; December 06, 2008 1:29 AM
Independent Voter said...: Apparently we had an earthquake tonight, but we didn't feel anything.

How about you Jean?; December 06, 2008 1:30 AM
Independent Voter said...: Joshua, Everyone has been exposed to mud at some point throughout their lifetime. Ask AJ. She does a lot of digging in her yard. If there is anthrax present it obviously isn't enough to be harmful, I'm still here.

Second, as I stated before, I cleared it with the USPS. If they believed that there was a problem they would have refused it.

Thanks for your concern.; December 06, 2008 1:38 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Joshua said:

" I am still not even sure what role Dave Plouffe has... "

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Plouffe is going to be busy for a bit writing his book - tentatively titled “The Audacity to Win.”

Plouffe, who has not yet written the book, plans to meet with publishers in coming weeks. The book will likely be published in the fall of 2009.

Plouffe – a father of two, including a newborn — has also signed on with the Washington Speakers Bureau to give paid speeches around the world. He also plans to do some non-governmental private consulting.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16254.html

.; December 06, 2008 1:42 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 06, 2008 1:43 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Joshua

I would appreciate it very much if you would take your bias bull somewhere else. Hillary is better than any of those people that you mention for SOS.And Obama think so also! If you don't want to give any money to pay off her debt fine but don't insult her she doesn't deserve it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

One more thing it was not her fault that most of the things that she said the media made a mountain out of a molehill. Get my drift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AJ; December 06, 2008 1:46 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Joshua

are you a male chauvinist with this quote sure sounds like it:

2. If she is paid less than other cabinet secretaries, will I be hearing next about how women are paid less than men for the same job?

Thats not very nice!!!!!! AJ; December 06, 2008 1:59 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Joshua

I don't know what your problem other the fact that you dislike Hillary. She DOES NOT think the war was a good idea. The only reason she voted for it was the info that was given to her and everybody else that he had weapons of mass destruction. She DID NOT WANT THE WAR!!!!!! OPEN YOUR EARS~~~AJ; December 06, 2008 2:09 AM
Mike-in-GA said...: Dave - I too would caution you about playing with stuff going through the USPS. You may have asked someone at the post office, but trust me - no government or quasi-government agency is ever going to admit they cleared it for you unless you were able to get them to document it in writing. When you start manipulating a pre-paid postage label (s) - it could get postal inspectors involved because technically this could be considered fraud. I just don't want to see someone I consider a friend get slammed over something like this - it is not worth it. There are much better ways than vindictiveness to forward your cause.; December 06, 2008 2:17 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 06, 2008 2:35 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

what exactly do you mean by this:That I get a lot of mud thrown at me or that I have thrown a lot of mud?

Everyone has been exposed to mud at some point throughout their lifetime. Ask AJ. She does a lot of digging in her yard. AJ; December 06, 2008 2:37 AM
Joshua said...: Mike, there is no doubt that IV has already admitted to fraud. On several levels: he acquired the postage stamps with duplicity (LDS would never have sent him the pre-stamped envelopes had they known his intention. So, this is slam dunk: he stole LDS property under false pretenses). He is sending material via USPS that could harm the recipient or the mail carrier. He is combining several stamps and using them for a purpose other than authorized by the post office. I am only amazed at his naiveté at posting such self-incriminating information over the web. People have the mistaken notion that they are anonymous on the internet. Even rudimentary knowledge of computers will quickly tell you that you are anything but anonymous.

How often do you call the IRS and get the wrong answer on tax questions. And saying that the postal clerk told you that it is OK is not a defense.; December 06, 2008 2:38 AM
Joshua said...: You can take this to the bank: if you piss off the LDS, they will pursue you to the full extent of the law. They will have you watched and followed. Just because you have a political disagreement with someone does not permit you to harass them. If people cannot express themselves via the ballot box, do you want them to come to your house and tell you why they disagree with your lifestyle? The way to change the law is for you to persuade the majority that you are correct. It is not by targeting their businesses, etc.; December 06, 2008 2:44 AM
Joshua said...: Anyone remember the case of the American kid who lived in, I think, South Korea 20 years ago? Because kids here in the US spray graffiti on buildings and it gets dismissed as childish pranks, he sprayed graffiti in South Korea. They apprehended him and his punishment: 50 lashes by a martial arts expert along with a stay in prison. I really enjoyed that punishment. I think people should learn that destruction of personal or public property is never an innocent prank.; December 06, 2008 3:00 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 06, 2008 3:03 AM
Mike-in-GA said...: AJ - I don't know what to say about this "tit for tat" that keeps going on here at the DCW website everytime Hillary's name is mentioned in any type of negative way. You have to learn that you are not her protector. You take absolutely every negative comment about her or Bill personal and it ends up being a continual argument. Many are trying to give her and you the benefit of a doubt but the Clintons are just "lightening rods" because of thier past actions and thier high profile and no matter what she does politically in her future - she is always going to be that "rod" and cause devisiveness. That is just her style and she thrives on "drama". I personally wish her and Bill would just retire because I am sick and tired of hearing about her campaign debt, the constitutional hurdle of her appointment, the Secret Clinton Foundation Donors List and all the other baggage she brings with her in every assignment or job she accepts. I personally gave her the benefit of a doubt because she did work hard for PE Obama during the campaign but once again this was only after using every dirty tactic she could during the primaries. Most of the Republican attacks were the result of her personal comments about PE Obama. She has, and will always, use a "scorched earth policy" whenver she gets in a tight race if she thinks it will help her win. I'm sorry but I believe everything either of the Clintons do is for thier own benefit first and maybe country second. I hope she proves me wrong for the benefit of the Democratic Party but I remain very skeptical. There are too many problems facing this country to waste time with all this nonsense. In the end, I believe you have hurt the quantity and quality of participation on DCW with this constant bickering and fighting. I know Karen Anne, Jean, Beryl, Suzi and others have tried to be polite and defend you and may think what I am posting this time is too strong - but it just never ends with you. You have been the cause of the majority of the discontent and arguments and have caused people (including me) to pull back and be quiet rather than battle you everytime they have something they want to discuss that involves the Clintons. When you speak or chat about anything other than the Clintons you can be charming and fun to chat with - but when thier names comes up - you go into instant "B" mode and you become a totally different person. It is only then that you irritate me and others so much. If I am wrong and the majority of the others who are regulars here feel I am wrong - feel free to tell me and I will listen and stop coming here because this is a great site and we need to police our own behavior. Have a good night!; December 06, 2008 3:07 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 06, 2008 3:14 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 06, 2008 3:15 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike in maryland

I really don't know what your problem is with me and I really don't care. Leave me alone and quit bit##ing at me. It's getting real OLD!!!!!!! AJ; December 06, 2008 3:19 AM
Mike-in-GA said...: Joshua - You made your point. IV Dave is a good guy. You gave your advice to him. I also gave my advice to him because I consider him a friend. But no need for the tone to be this way. That is what my last post to AJ was all about. Most of us who come to this site enjoy our discussions without trying to personally attack each other.

IV Dave - Hope you didn't take offense at my comments. I know you are passionate about your cause. I just really don't want to see you get into any problems over this.

Have a good night.; December 06, 2008 3:19 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 06, 2008 3:25 AM
Joshua said...: Mike, you will note that I attacked no poster here. I have posted my opinion regarding helping HRC. I have posted my opinion regarding her eligibility to serve as SOS. I have commented on mail-fraud. I posted about the punishment meted out to a kid in South Korea. I began posting at this board way before you arrived. I seldom post lately because of lack of interest. I posted today only because I got upset receiving solicitation to help someone I consider to have tried her best to prevent the best person from becoming president.

I have not responded to any personal taunts. I have not attacked anyone.; December 06, 2008 3:31 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 06, 2008 3:38 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 06, 2008 3:40 AM
Mike-in-GA said...: Joshua - Never meant to imply you had personally attacked anyone including IV Dave. If it came across that way - I apologize. I made the same general comment to him as you did but I just wasn't as blunt I guess. Seems like you and I have both encountered the wrath of AJ. Anytime a negative comment about the Clintons is posted - it is the same personal attack. Personally I don't get into the name calling - but I'm an old retired fart who also doesn't care to listen to this constant bickering she causes. Many have told her that and some have tried to be much more polite but she just doesn't stop. When she gets angry she can't control her temper and lashes out and starts name calling and cussing. If Matt/Oreo don't stop it - she will ultimately destroy this site because people will not want to come here and be verbally abused. Hope you have a good night!; December 06, 2008 3:49 AM
Joshua said...: Mike, no offense taken. Good night.; December 06, 2008 3:54 AM
Aunt Jean said...: goodnight; December 06, 2008 3:59 AM

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