Democratic Convention Watch: Open Thread

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

Open Thread

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What is McCain's latest "senior moment", what does Obama need to do to win in November or whatever else is on your mind.

And please be excellent to one another. We do not accept name calling or any attacks on our commenters. Any objectionable comments will be deleted. Try to be civil.

Thanks!

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Aunt Jean said...: Mike in ga

excuse me there is only 3 people that has said anything to me out of the way. Quit speaking for everyone. And I'm sorry what Joshua said was uncalled I don't care what you say. Do not talk about me.!!!!!!!AJ; December 06, 2008 4:03 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike in GAno it won't be people like me that destroys this site it's people like you. AJ; December 06, 2008 4:05 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike IN Ga

I'm sorry but I haven't cursed tonight. So quit lying about me.

The only person I argue with is you!!!!! Leave me alone!!!!!!AJ; December 06, 2008 4:08 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike in Ga
are you still on here. I think we need to settle a few things. AJ; December 06, 2008 4:17 AM
Mike-in-GA said...: AJ - Thanks for going back and cleaning up and deleting all the posts you did with the foul language. I'm sure others will appreciate not having to read it - I know I am glad it is gone. Have a good night!; December 06, 2008 4:20 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike in Ga

there was no cursing in them except 2 words. They were not really aimed at you other than Jack need I say more.; December 06, 2008 4:33 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike in Maryland

the reason I deleted them was because it's the same arguement with you. There is no getting thru you. So from now on I just won't answer you. So please don't talk to me. That is unless it's something nice. LOL; December 06, 2008 4:36 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Oh Mike in Ga

I do believe you have some that needs to be cleaned up because I find them offensive. AJ; December 06, 2008 4:39 AM
Mike-in-GA said...: AJ - Goodnight - there was plenty of name calling toward Joshua and me in the eight posts you deleted. I copied each of the postings because I was going to talk to you at another time when your temper was not riled up. I understand when you get angry you say what's on your mind but I don't like being called vulgar names. I am an older man and not a young child. Whenever I have posted I have not disrespected you by calling you such names as the ones you used tonight. As I said in my earlier post - I enjoy chatting with you and reading your posts except when it comes to discussions on the Clintons and you go off on people as if they were personally attacking you. This is very offensive and I can name at least a dozen people and a hundred times you have done it. Enough is enough. I appreciate that you deleted most of them - but I would rather you think before you even post them at all. It is 4:45am here so I will call it a night and go to sleep. Hope you have a good night.; December 06, 2008 4:53 AM
Karen Anne said...: Okay, folks, Momma speaks:

Mike in GA: leave AJ alone. She is entitled to defend Hillary.

AJ: Just ignore Mike in GA without reading him, as most of us do Stop/Yak, and as I am starting to do with Mike in GA.

Joshua: Half the country has used postage paid reply envelopes to send stuff back to organizations that have annoyed them. Anthrax from mud. Will you listen to yourself?

And what's with your joy in a brutal physical punishment directed at iv? Kind of makes me wonder what your agenda is. We get freepers in here from time to time. I am thinking you're an LDS freeper, and what's more a latent SM LDS freeper.

The LDS used its resources to deny human rights to an entire class of people. Did they think there wouldn't be any pushback?

By the way, I am not sure a postage paid thing from an envelope works when attached to a package. That would be interesting to know.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.; December 06, 2008 5:49 AM
suzihussein22 said...: k a-aka momma-This may not be the tree we plant-

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20081206/NEWS01/812060330/0/NEWS01

The pin oak tree does have pretty leaves in the fall though. We looking for one that won't get too tall but will make good shade.

iv dave-I can understand the point you're trying to make. That should've been enough to take their tax exempt status, and we still don't know what the outcome will be on the churches that declared themselves. I just hope you don't hold onto that kind of feeling. You're too good for that.; December 06, 2008 10:52 AM
Mike-in-GA said...: Karen Anne - I respect your opinion, however, if you saw the 8 postings AJ did last night and the vulgarity she used toward Joshua and me in her defense of Hillary you would probably feel offended just as I do. She has a right to defend Hillary and Bill but she surely does not have the right to curse and use vulgar names towards the people she is posting with. I copied the 8 posts she deleted last night and have thought about sending them to Matt and Oreo. Of course if they look at thier logs they will see them and also see that she was way out of bounds. I also thought about posting them back online for people to read but then that would just stir the pot. If the others feel I overstepped that is fine - I will refrain from posting again - but in the end it is up to the people blogging on this site to police thier own. If you wish to turn a blind eye - that is also your right. Hope you have a good day.; December 06, 2008 12:04 PM
suzihussein22 said...: k a-Sad news from sci-fi-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7769184.stm

P-E Obama is getting his ducks in a row. His weekly news addresses and his proposals to rebuild our infrastructure and become energy efficient are heartening.; December 06, 2008 12:31 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Aunt Jean,

I am NOT Mike in Georgia.

Georgia is 600 miles from Baltimore.

Please stop addressing messages to me when you are discussing things with Mike in Georgia.

In other words - pay attention. Or is that not possible with you?

Mike; December 06, 2008 3:33 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: It seems that former Maryland Lt. Gov. Michael Steele's campaign to be named Chairman of the GOP is running into a bit of a snag:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/politics/bal-te.steele06dec06,0,7203501.story

Personally, I don't like the idiot. I think his political philosophy is more aligned with Clarence Thomas and Alan Keyes than a 'middle of the road' Republican. And I think he helped form the Republican Leadership Council just to advance his own political agenda than for any other reason.

In any event, I'm not unsatisfied to see the GOP have a lot of infighting. The more they do that, the less they focus on the 2010 and 2012 elections.

Mike; December 06, 2008 3:43 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I just wasted 15 minutes reading absolutely nothing about issues here on this thread.

If ya'll don't stop it then people will be leaving this thread and new people that come to this thread will think this is not a good place to come and talk about issues and the current political news.

EVERYONE really should try to NOT post personal comments and lets try to get back to discussing 'events' and 'issues' and not personalities.; December 06, 2008 3:44 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Biden To Be Barred From Democratic Caucus Meetings

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/06/biden-to-be-barred-from-d_n_148966.html

.; December 06, 2008 3:47 PM
Joshua said...: Leah, take it up with Matt/Oreo. They have permitted Aunt Jean to post dribble here since March and have done nothing about it. She is obnoxious and profane not to mention illiterate. Yet people tolerate her drivel.; December 06, 2008 3:58 PM
Joshua said...: There are specific very intolerant posters on this board. Whenever they encounter an opinion with which they disagree, they launch into personal attack of the poster. They attack the poster with ad hominems like: sexist, homophobic, freeper (whatever that means. I am sure the poster means it as an insult), etc. It doesn’t matter if the poster to whom the insults are aimed never posted anything personal about any other poster. This is the mark of liberals: very intolerant. They accuse the right of intolerance when they are much worse themselves. They do their best to squelch any speech with which they disagree. One particular poster here is the guiltiest. But I will name no names.; December 06, 2008 4:13 PM
Joshua said...: While I am on a roll, I will say one more thing. On the internet your word is your bond. I can only assess your essence by the words you use. I can assess your integrity by your posts. A certain poster here posts very insulting vituperative comments aimed at specific posters. Then after the posts have been read, she will go back and delete them and then pretend that she had not made those posts. It shows me her level of dishonesty. I am amazed that Matt and Oreo are so derelict in sanitizing this board. Those posts from a certain poster last night were particularly virulent. I am sure that any board administrator worth anything can retrieve those posts and do something about the poster.; December 06, 2008 4:23 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Kudos to P-E Obama-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/05/obama-to-reveal-groups-he_n_148818.html

leah-VP-E Biden is taking the appropriate action in the case of the meetings. I also hope they reconsider the Patriot Act. It's really strange when you can hear clicks in your phone.; December 06, 2008 7:36 PM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 06, 2008 9:03 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike in Maryland

I do apologize about putting your name on the posts when I was talking to Mike in Ga. AJ; December 06, 2008 9:04 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Joshua

I will make one post to you and one post only.

I'm not illiterate so I misspell some words sometimes [big deal just about everyone on here does]that does not make me or them illiterate.

I did not curse on the post all I said was 2 words and only one of them was kinda bad it's just a different word for gripping at someone.

The reason I deleted the post[not that I owe you an explanation] was on 2 or 3 of them I put Mike in Maryland when I was talking to Mike in Ga.

Now if you want to talk about something that is really wrong is you getting pleasure out of seeing someone get a violent act done to them for drawing graffiti on a wall.

Yes I agree that they should be punished for doing something like that but by beating him and getting pleasure out of it like you said you did . In my books there is something really wrong with that.

It would be appreciated if you would quit insulting Hillary the way you did and I wont have a problem with you.

One more thing I really don't like your post about me. so please refrain from it in the future.AJ; December 06, 2008 9:08 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

I don't know if it's true or not but have you heard about a dumb lawsuit about Obama not being a natural citizen. Isn't that crazy what will they come up with next. AJ; December 06, 2008 9:11 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Ladies

there is hope on the horizon for women with short thin lashes. No bull: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28073316/

Of course I'm lucky I have long lashes and they are thick but who wouldn't want them longer and thicker. AJ; December 06, 2008 9:26 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

here is the web site . I really thought it was a lie when I was told that, because it was so silly but here it is. Just one of those frivolous lawsuit; http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553

AJ; December 06, 2008 9:45 PM
Beryl said...: We cannot create a car that doesn't run on fossil fuel for more than 50 miles a day but we can create a treatment to thicken eyelashes.

Where are our priorities?; December 06, 2008 9:54 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Beryl

can we have both! LOL AJ; December 06, 2008 10:08 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Aunt Jean,

For some time, the right-wing nuts have been trying to find some way to allege that President-elect Obama is not qualified for President. Since they couldn't convince the voters that he was:
- too young
- too inexperienced
- too radical
- not Christian enough (if he was not, in fact, Muslim)
- had a nut-job of a minister
- 'palled around with radicals'
- etc.
- etc.

they have been trying to attack him on his citizenship.

They claimed he was born in Kenya, so he couldn't be a 'natural born' citizen as required in the Constitution.

This was shown to be a fallacious claim when PE Obama's birth certificate was produced.

Then the right-wing nuts claimed that the birth certificate was falsified - remember when Senator Obama went to Hawai'i in August? The right-wing nuts claimed he went there to make changes in the records in the state of Hawai'i.

Then they tried to claim that, as a child, he renounced his American citizenship and became an Indonesian citizen. When it was pointed out that a minor cannot do that, it didn't make any difference, but eventually the right-wing nuts dropped that line of attack.

The latest case that has been brought is a bit different.

A right-wing nut named Leo C. Donofrio claims that to be a 'natural born citizen,' both parents must be American citizens. That is incorrect. There only needs to be one parent who is a citizen for a child to be an American citizen. Or the child has to be born on American soil, no matter the citizenship of the parents.

Donofrio claims that PE Obama's father was not an American citizen, but rather he had dual citizenship - Kenyan and British. Here is where he is going beyond nut-land - Kenya didn't gain independence until December 12, 1963, or more than two years AFTER PE Obama was born. Therefore, since Kenya was not yet a nation, there could not have been Kenyan citizenship.

Back to the suit - Donofrio claims that since PE Obama's father was not a US citizen, he could have claimed dual citizenship until his age of majority, and therefore, is not a 'natural-born' citizen, but a 'naturalized citizen' at the time he chose American citizenship vs some other nation's citizenship, or let his claims to other citizenship lapse, thus is not eligible for the office of President.

Donofrio got his case thrown out of the New Jersey courts, so he took it up with the US Supreme Court, first going to Justice Souter, who didn't accept it, then going to Justice Thomas. When that rat-turd got it, he scheduled it for distribution to the other SC judges for a decision on whether the USSC would accept the case or not. The Court discussed the case on Friday. It takes the vote of four justices for the court to accept a case, thus for arguments to be held before the full court. The court met yesterday to decide which, if any, of the pending cases to accept, announced two cases would be accepted, but didn't give any indication of whether or not it would accept the Donofrio case. An announcement on the case is now expected on Monday.

Google 'Leo Donofrio' for more information.

Mike; December 06, 2008 10:10 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Beryl

also have you heard about the cardboard cutout of Hillary and Obama's writer I believe. Hillary
just blew it off and there was a news lady that was making a big deal out of Hillary not making a big deal out of it.Go figure.AJ; December 06, 2008 10:11 PM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 06, 2008 10:19 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike in Maryland
thank you for that info it is very interesting. What I would like to know is how in the heck could he have gotten into a gov or state computer and changed all the info.

In the first place this lawsuit like a lot of lawsuits are so silly.Why do courts waste their time in even hearing them is beyond me. I do realize that there is a lot of them that are valid but you hear of quite a few that are just down right dumb.

I think it's just someone that wants the media's attention. AJ; December 06, 2008 10:22 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Aunt Jean and Beryl,

Re: Lumigan

This is not a new drug, but one that has been used for several years to control glaucoma.

For your information, glaucoma is one of leading causes, if not THE leading cause, of blindness in the United States.

For years, ophthalmologists have known that one of the side effects of Lumigan was to increase the size and density of eyelashes, and told their patients, if they used it in one eye only, that they would have lop-sided eyelashes.

Since Lumigan is an existing drug, and has been on the market for several years, it is NOT a new drug. It is a new use of the drug that has been given FDA approval.

I'm not saying whether I agree with this or not, but I don't think that going to the FDA to get approval to use an existing drug for a new purpose is criminal (not entirely ethical maybe), but NOT criminal.

And comparing a new use for an existing drug with a known side effect that some may find beneficial (even if it's only cosmetic) to the development of a new means of power for automobiles is beyond ludicrous, it is verging (IMO) on wing-nuttery.

I would have problems with the use of Lumigan for the purpose of increasing eye lash size because Lumigan decreases the Intra-Ocular Pressure (IOL). If IOL is too low, then other problems develop. If this drug is allowed to be sold over the cosmetics counter, I can see a lot of ophthalmologists needing more help in their offices from the complications of lowered IOL in certain patients.

Mike; December 06, 2008 10:35 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike In Maryland

I knew the drug was used in people with glaucoma. But I don't know if the possible side effects would be worth it.AJ; December 06, 2008 10:43 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike in Maryland
I meant to add for having longer and thicker lashes if it would be worth it.AJ; December 06, 2008 10:45 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike In Maryland

on your 10:10 pm post. I don't believe that a child born in the US should be a us citizen if both parents are not US citizens. You have a lot of mexicans sneaking over here just to have their baby.

So would it be right for them to be a US citizens when they shouldn't even be here to begin with.

Now with the case of Obama that is different his father was over here legally and his mother was a US citizen so it's different. Obama is a US citizen and should be considered one because he is one. AJ; December 06, 2008 10:54 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Aunt Jean,

Since current US law states that a person born on US soil is a US citizen, then the law would have to be changed.

US soil means within the 50 states, DC, any US overseas possession (Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, etc.), or in a US Embassy or it's grounds. (I'm not sure about Guantanamo, or if born on a ship that first docks in the US or any US posession.)

Some are against the current law because of the reason you state, some are not against the current law. One thing the current law does give is the opportunity of dual citizenship to certain people until the age of majority (18, I believe), when they must declare which citizenship they accept and/or which they renounce. If they renounce the non-US citizenship, then most would consider them 'natural-born' American citizens (although people like Donofrio wouldn't).

Mike; December 06, 2008 11:26 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike In Maryland

I know that laws are good to have it's just some of them isn't right. But I guess until they are changed we have to live with them.

I believe that they sneak over here so their child and them will have a better life and that is sad. It still doesn't make it right. AJ; December 06, 2008 11:48 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Goodnight everyone. AJ; December 07, 2008 12:24 AM
tmess2 said...: FRom what I can tell from the Supreme Court website, the petition in front of the U.S. Supreme Court is merely for a stay until he can file a petition for writ of certiorari (a formal request for them to take the case).

Thus, what was being decided on Friday was not whether or not to take the case, but whether to preserve the status quo -- that is interfere in the election process -- until a decision can be made on taking the case. Since no order was issued on Friday, it was probably declined. The full list of declines is normally issued on Monday and will be available under "Orders" as the "Order List" on the Supreme Court Website.

The one thing Donofrio has going for him is that his claim actually has a factually accurate component -- because his father was not an American, Obama was born with dual citizenship. Problem is that nothing in the Constitution says that a person with dual citizenship is not a natural born citizen.; December 07, 2008 1:41 AM
Joshua said...: How about a Mexican woman in labor that crosses the border for the sole purpose of delivering the child in USA? That child is a natural born citizen regardless that NEITHER of his parents was legally permitted in the US, let alone citizen.; December 07, 2008 2:34 AM
Joshua said...: The bar for Obama kept being raised throughout the election cycle, just like other people of color before him. Once he meets a standard, he finds that another hurdle has been erected. Even after winning an Electoral College landslide, even after the unanimous acclaim by the citizens, witness how willingly they supported his candidacy with their wallet; still that is not good enough. He now has to prove that he even qualifies. Here’s news for you: to some segment of the population he will never qualify. Not while his blood line is less than 100% white.; December 07, 2008 2:40 AM
Joshua said...: That Obama even qualifies to run for president is exactly the meaning of this famous line from Hillary: “I have met the threshold for commander-in-chief; certainly McCain has met the threshold for Commander-in-chief. For Obama, you have to ask him.”

Obviously it was like a dog-whistle. Only the astute understood what she meant. For those in denial, the meaning has to be explained. Clearly, that was a very racist statement from Hillary.; December 07, 2008 2:46 AM
Karen Anne said...: Sigh. Trolls, trolls, trolls.

What's my skip list now, Stop/Yak, Mike in Ga, and Joshua. Too bad the blog doesn't have a feature where you can mark certain posters don't display, instead of having to scroll past their infinite postings.

Joshua, if you were a Democrat, you'd be doing something constructive instead of trying to mess up a Repug blog. That's one of the differences between Dems and Repugs.; December 07, 2008 7:28 AM
Emit R Detsaw said...: LOL - I hear you K.A.

Some people just like to stir the pot. I don't remember J being around as long as he states, but his profile says May, so maybe an alter ego? Of course, that was the time frame I was over on a Republican biased board where they banned me for requesting that they back up their posts with facts and references. ;o) I did the same thing here when folks stated items that were either lies or distortions of the truths and the Dems on this board always provided references. This election I saw a major difference between the way people affiliated with a "Party" acted. Being an Independent, that was interesting to see. I normally never responded much to trolls, but did on occasion. Not to feed them, but to clean up something that was stated that wasn't true.

So, I will dispute one of J's claims.
"Even after winning an Electoral College landslide".

Electoral College isn't until 12/15. So we don't know what the final EC vote is, we can only assume based on what it should be based on the State by State results.

On a more positive note. Man it's great that we will have a smart President again. Watching Meet the Press. With all the problems in the world, every time I listen to Obama I am encouraged about the future.

WV too much like redneck (rednesti); December 07, 2008 9:25 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: sorry I haven't been here much - I do read the main page, but not so much on the open thread these days.

things are busy here and about to get busier - but HI! hope you all are doing well, and I think Obama's doing a great job so far, and it's not even technically his job yet!; December 07, 2008 10:19 AM
Beryl said...: "Here’s news for you: to some segment of the population he will never qualify. Not while his blood line is less than 100% white."

News for you: No one born in the US is 100% anything. A DNA check will prove that. Some of us are "more equal than others" though. j/k

"this famous line from Hillary: “I have met the threshold for commander-in-chief; certainly McCain has met the threshold for Commander-in-chief. For Obama, you have to ask him.”"

That was not her finest hour in the campaign. There is a rule in the sports world -- never praise the opposition and criticize your own teammate in the same breath.

She and many of us would rather forget that statement. Reminding us of it only irritates everyone so I think you should let it go. Obama has -- why can't you?; December 07, 2008 10:41 AM
Mike-in-GA said...: Karen Anne - You have a lot of gall calling me a troll. I have never been disrespectful to you or anyone on this site other than S.O.N. I have posted on this site since the primaries and have enjoyed the chats. I also think I was consistent when I criticized anyone's extreme behavior with thier posts whether it was AJ, Joshua or even IV Dave who I consider a friend.

AJ - The above having been said - I don't like my integrity being challenged. You are a liar about what you posted the other night. The deletions you made only included 2 to of your errors in posting to Mike-in-MD. All the others were profanity and vulgarity. For spite I should repost what you said and the others would see how dishonest you are but instead I will stop coming here. I thought you were a decent woman - I guess I was wrong.

Matt/Oreo - Thanks and good luck with your site - I really did enjoy it.

To the others on the site - I say thanks for the enjoyment you gave me for the past several months and may I wish you all a Happy Holiday Season.; December 07, 2008 10:54 AM
suzihussein22 said...: Hi back at you vicki. :)

Hey guys, check out the front of demconwatch. They posted a new link for this website that will start Monday. I hope you're having a good weekend.

The MN recount has been a nail biter, eh?; December 07, 2008 2:28 PM
Joshua said...: Karen Anne
Pay close attention. You must stop being so bitchey or you will no longer be able to post here. I am tired of your bitchery. I don’t care about your opinions and I do not read your posts. I scanned your last post and I noticed that part of it addresses me.

Some posters here think that this is some closed club and that they can determine who can post here. Here’s some news: I CAN DETERMINE WHO CAN POST HERE.; December 07, 2008 2:42 PM
Joshua said...: Beryl

Obama is a bigger man than I. I have not forgotten the racial taunts that Hillary Clinton /Bill Clinton/Bob Johnson(former owner of the black magazine, I forget its name) / Ferraro hurled at Obama. I will never forgive them.

McCain did not use any line of attack against Obama that Hillary did not first introduce in the Primaries.; December 07, 2008 2:55 PM
Joshua said...: If it was not a racist statement from Hillary: “I have met the criteria for Commander-in-chief,” what else did she mean? What does she have in common with John McCain besides race? They have different genders, different political party affiliations. There politics are different: one is pro-Choice the other is anti-abortion. Exactly what criteria was she describing? One has voted practically 100% liberal except when she voted for the Iraq war, the other is 100% unadulterated right-winger.

Hillary’s true colors came out under stress and it wasn’t pretty. I will never forget how desperately she clung to the chance of attaining power even including the potential murder of her opponent as a reason to hang on.

Hillary is forever done in my book.; December 07, 2008 3:15 PM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Clean-Up on isle 3......; December 07, 2008 3:29 PM
Joshua said...: Emit,
how about post something useful every once in a while.; December 07, 2008 4:05 PM
Joshua said...: Mike-in-GA

If memory serves, when you first came here you posted that you were a Republican but interested in Obama. You since posted that you did indeed vote for him in the General. Mike, I don’t think that you were or ever will be a Republican. How do I know: because you are going to permit a lone internet bully to drive you away from a site you otherwise like visiting. That means that you are as gutless and spineless as your ordinary democrat. Witness Harry Reid. Enough said.; December 07, 2008 4:06 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Everyone remember that there are many types of trolls.

There are the apparent trolls, who post nothing but garbage with the intent to upset the site's posters and create anger and disruption. This type of troll is very easy to recognize.

There are the 'concern' trolls, who write as if they support the viewpoint of the site and/or posters, but they are always 'concerned' about some subject or another. They are still trolls, as they are NOT supporting the viewpoint of the site and/or posters. Rather, their intent is to upset the site's posters and create anger and disruption. This type of troll is not so easy to recognize.

I think most here can deduce who I think is a 'concern' troll, and the intent of that 'concern' troll. Hint - the 'concern' troll makes a habit of posting several messages in a short period, then going a day or two before posting several more messages in a short period.

And always remember:

Do
Not
Feed
The
Trolls

DNFTT, no matter if they are regular trolls or concern trolls.

Mike; December 07, 2008 5:24 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I wanted to share this with ya'll.
My aunt sent it to me in an email - I don't know who the original author is.
---

Think about this:
1. Cows
2. The Constitution
3. The Ten Commandments

COWS
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it amazing that during the mad cow epidemic our government could track a single cow, born in Canada almost three years ago, right to the stall where she slept in the state of Washington? And, they tracked her calves to their stalls. But they are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens wandering around our country. Maybe we should give each of them a cow.

THE CONSTITUTION
They keep talking about drafting a Constitution for Iraq .... why don't we just give them ours? It was written by a l ot of really smart guys, it has worked for over 200 years, and we're not using it anymore.

THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
The real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments posted in a courthouse is this -- you cannot post 'Thou Shalt Not Steal' 'Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery' and 'Thou Shall Not Lie' in a building full of lawyers, judges and politicians ... it creates a hostile work environment.

Happy Sunday ;); December 07, 2008 6:43 PM
suzihussein22 said...: leah-Wow, that's a lot like common sense. You've got good genes. :)

I saw an article about McCain being in southern Afghanistan. It's gonna be hard to keep seeing him with Lieberman. He, of course, mentioned how successful the surge was.; December 07, 2008 7:10 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Finally some competition to the Federalist Society, American Enterprise Institute and the Heritage Society for interpretation of what the Constitution actually says, and will have some influence in the American government:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/06/AR2008120601808.html?hpid=moreheadlines

Mike; December 07, 2008 7:43 PM
Beryl said...: Thanks Mike in M. I forgot about these trolls:

"Rather, their intent is to upset the site's posters and create anger and disruption. This type of troll is not so easy to recognize."

They are not so easy to recognize and even harder to ignore because they insert just enough truth in their posts to appear legit. Also, they only show up occasionally to drive everyone crazy.

I'm updating my gmail filter to ignore one of these trolls.

What a great day for the Obama Administration with the announcement of General Shinseki As Veterans Secretary. He was right and banished during Rumsfeld's reign and now he is being vindicated with this appointment.

Good for you, Obama!; December 07, 2008 8:41 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

I liked your post at 6:43 and agree with 2 of them but I don't agree with the one about the Constitution I think we use most of it most of the time [or at least some of the time] LOL. AJ; December 07, 2008 9:44 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: A Game to Test Your Memory

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/campaign_plus/obama_card_match/

Match up the new cabinet picks to the old ones.; December 07, 2008 9:56 PM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 07, 2008 10:00 PM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.; December 07, 2008 10:03 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike in Maryland

creep troll on the loose and they think they are funny with the misspelled words and using my name. AJ; December 07, 2008 10:12 PM
Beryl said...: AJ,
We all knew what was going on there.

Karma is going to be biache on the person who impersonated you.

Humph!; December 07, 2008 10:14 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Beryl

I thought you would. So how are things going for you tonight. I seen where Vicki in Seattle made an earlier post. It's been awhile since she has posted I miss her posts. AJ; December 07, 2008 10:23 PM
Beryl said...: All is good, AJ. I still have a job (Thank, God!) and hope to hang on to it for 3 more years so I can collect my pension -- at 30 years. I'll probably go back to teaching after that.

As long as I'm working, I can help others out. I'm adopting a senior this year, an 85 year old man. It was cool buying Christmas stuff for him. It is about the same age as my father would have been if he hadn't died early (second-hand smoke cancer).

Everyone in my family still has their jobs too. The only thing is that people from Detroit and other places are moving here (Colorado). The crime is going up in Boulder and other previously low-crime areas.

Like Obama said today, it will get worse before it gets better. We all need to stay prayerful and safe.

How is it going with you and everyone else?; December 07, 2008 10:41 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Beryl

like you and your family mine is doing well also all still have their jobs. I just pray that it stays that way.

Hopefully things will go well with you and you can stay at your job where you can retired and go back to teaching.

Other than that everythings about the same.

As far as helping someone I'm helping a couple of kids. I get a kick out of buying for them. AJ; December 07, 2008 10:53 PM
suzihussein22 said...: beryl and aj-Thank God I still have my job also. My department has kept up it's numbers, but we're the only one. They're going to clean house after the holidays because of who works when they "feel" like it. I can't imagine. They're going to find out how bad they need a job the hard way. Yes, the economy's getting worse, but we'll still be able to help a local mission and a few kids. It doesn't have to be just money or toys. It's also clothing and food. We just need to continue to work together in every state.; December 07, 2008 11:09 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Have a good night guys. BTW, did you really think I said ya'll all the time? :)

wv-looks like kind giving; December 07, 2008 11:12 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Suzi

clothing and food are very important and I'm glad about your job too! AJ; December 07, 2008 11:14 PM
suzihussein22 said...: P.S. I just happened to notice this while I was checking the weather one more time-

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081207/pl_nm/us_usa_obama_smoking_3

I'm not going to say it should be easy because you'd have a fight taking chocolate away from me.; December 07, 2008 11:32 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: The wing-nut who attempted to impersonate Aunt Jean earlier tonight also attempted to impersonate Karen Anne on November 19. Checking their Blogger profile, the changing profile was created in November, 2008, well after Aunt Jean and Karen Anne were posting here at DemConWatch.

If anyone has a question about the veracity of a post or the purported poster, or to see if a poster is impersonating someone else, here is how you can do some checking on that poster's ID:

Go to 'View' and click 'Page Source'. In the new window, click 'Edit', then 'Find'. In the search box, enter some of the message in question (for instance, I entered "skreued" tonight). When you find the specific post in question, check the blogger ID you'll find a couple of lines above. Then copy a few characters from the Blogger ID (I copy at least 4, usually 6-8 numbers), enter that into the 'Find' field and click 'Next'.

Mike; December 07, 2008 11:38 PM
suzihussein22 said...: poetry of a campaign-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-lundberg/the-2008-election-in-vers_b_148834.html; December 08, 2008 7:32 AM
Oreo said...: Please move over to the new site where we'll post Open Threads on a regular basis and you can moderate the comments yourself.

Thanks everybody!

http://www.demconwatchblog.com; December 08, 2008 12:39 PM
Karen Anne said...: Folks (esp. iv, where are you),

We open thread fans are at iv's open thread blog. The new DCW is great, their open thread, not so much.; December 10, 2008 7:48 AM
Beryl said...: I couldn't even find the open thread yesterday and the site doesn't load for me today.

It was a pretty site though (when it did load).; December 10, 2008 1:18 PM
Karen Anne said...: Beryl,

Here's where we open threaders are:
http://rnrdemcon.blogspot.com/

This is a site of Indie's, that he set up some time ago, but neither he nor ap have shown up, so we're worried we've lost touch.; December 10, 2008 4:16 PM
Karen Anne said...: p.s. the new dcw site is working, but they had some problem (may still have) with images loading, maybe that's why you were having problems. It's a nice site, just not open threadwise.; December 10, 2008 4:18 PM

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