Democratic Convention Watch: Open Thread

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

Open Thread

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What is McCain's latest "senior moment", what does Obama need to do to win in November or whatever else is on your mind.

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Richard said...: AP - There are significant differences between prepubescent and postpubescent human beings which go far beyond the strength and speed you cite. As an educator, I have a lot of experience viewing these changes, which include changes in the ability to process emotions, evaluate risks, and appreciate the consequences of their actions. These changes are traced in scientific literature to specific changes in brain structure and brain chemistry which usually occur between the ages of 14 and 16.

Ultimately, I do not think it is appropriate to subject prepubescent girls to the pressures and strains of Olympic competition; nor, anticipating your objections, do I think they have the judgment and maturity to make the decision for themselves. Nor do their parents or countries, who far too often have financial and political interests in their children's performance, have the impartiality to make that decision for them.; August 22, 2008 1:08 PM
apissedant said...: rich,
You anticipated the wrong objection. I am not arguing that children are mature... I'm arguing they are doing the exact same thing anyways, and that we have never prevented them from competing before.

These same kids are on national tours competing in the exact same events. We have 4 year olds competing in beauty pageants. We have the Little League World Series, which is 11 and 12 year olds.

I find the place where we have drawn the line trivial and pointless. We're allowing these same kids to compete in the exact same events everywhere except for the one place they want to compete most.

We're allowing other kids to compete on a national and often international stage at much younger ages. What's the difference?; August 22, 2008 1:48 PM
jean said...: Oh my gosh.
Went to veepwatch live video.
They are outside of Kaine, Bayh and Biden and there is NOTHING that is going on.
They do have very nice houses though.
This is getting silly.
jean; August 22, 2008 1:52 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama's 2008 VP Pick Contest

Leah - Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (Caroline Kennedy) – Friday 3pm Texas time
Vicki - Senator Biden (Gore) – 6 pm eastern
Rich - Gov. Bill Richardson (Biden) – Friday 12pm noon
Independent Voter - Senator Lincoln Chafee (Powell/Biden)
apissedant - Gov. Tim Kaine (Sebelius) – Friday at 4:45
Aunt Jean - Senator Jack Reed (Clinton) – Friday 4:30 pm Texas time
Beryl - Clark (Biden) – Friday, 2pm ET
Karen Anne - Senator Evan Bayh (Gore/Lincoln Chafee)
tmess2 - Senator Evan Bayh (Gov. Salazar) – Friday at 3:30 p.m. EDT
Oh Canada - Gov. Kathleen Sebelius
jean - Senator Biden (Reed) – Friday 12:30pm eastern
Mike in Maryland - Senator Biden (no second choice) Friday, 3:45 PM
suzi - 4 p.m. central

Have I missed anyone?

Anyone one else have a guess?

Be sure to state your DAY and TIME guess for the announcement - time is running out!
:)

p.s. suzi - who's your pick for VP?; August 22, 2008 1:54 PM
jean said...: My time has totally blown by and I know there is no second choice.
Just for fun I am saying 9:30 am eastern on Sat.
jean; August 22, 2008 2:01 PM
Independent Voter said...: Just to jump in real quick on the "age requirements" again. Rich, the 16 year old age limit is not across the board. The current age requirement for diving is 14 years of age (http://www.nbcolympics.com/diving/insidethissport/qualifications/newsid=103331.html#qualifying) by December 31, 2008. So a 13 year old may dive in the Olympics as long as they turn 14 by the end of the year. This is another reason the divers from China are so much better than our (well besides the fact they are taken from their homes at the age of 4 and sent to a concentration camp to do nothing but train.); August 22, 2008 2:06 PM
UUbuntu said...: My pick is Chet Edwards at 3:00 PM today.; August 22, 2008 2:08 PM
apissedant said...: Dave,
Thanks for the info, I didn't know that. I didn't look that hard, but I couldn't find information one way or the other on age requirements with the exception of gymnastics. I only new the soccer stuff because that's the only olympic event I actually follow.; August 22, 2008 2:12 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 22, 2008 2:14 PM
Richard said...: AP - First of all, I reject your "everybody's doing it anyway" argument and will not dignify it with a reference to the Brooklyn Bridge. Secondly, there is a qualitative difference between the pressures of the World Championship and Olympics and other gymnastic competitions. Thirdly, while the IOC can't make people stop exploiting their children, they can remove one small element of the motivation to do so. I think that is worthwhile.; August 22, 2008 2:18 PM
tmess2 said...: On the age requirement thing, that is not an IOC rule. That is a rule of the governing sports federation.

For soccer/football, there is no age rule for women because FIFA thinks having the full national team at the Olympics is needed to promote the sport. They have the age limit for men because they want the World Cup to be the main title for national teams in men's soccer. (The olympic age limit is higher than the age limit for the two main junior championships -- 17 and 21 respectively).; August 22, 2008 2:20 PM
Richard said...: I apologize; I was incorrect. Each sport's governing body is allowed to set its own age requirements. Since this is so, the IFG gets to decide. I still support their decision for the reasons I gave above.; August 22, 2008 2:23 PM
apissedant said...: rich,
Everyone is doing it anyway, and no harm has come of it for the past 2000+ years. It isn't like we're lining the kids up to snort coke. Why is diving less strenuous on the emotions of the children than gymnastics?

Do you really believe there is less stress placed on the baseball playing children than on the gymnasts? Where is the most money to be made? How much does the highest paid gymnast make verses the highest paid baseball player?

That isn't even comparable. To say that the Little League World Championship is less stressful than the olympics is laughable at best.

Everyone is all pissed because America lost and China won. All the Americans that have been caught using steroids in the olympics didn't gain this much attention.

I will not dignify your, "the rules are the rules because they're the rules" argument with a reference to slavery or segregation.; August 22, 2008 2:26 PM
jean said...: Come on rich and beryl.
Make a second pick.
I am thinking it is going to be Sat and we would not be the only ones LOL
Thanks Leah
jean; August 22, 2008 2:27 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: I think that not one, but several VP candidates, will ALL travel to Illinois tomorrow, and then the presentation will wind up being a display of unity with, several almost-ran's smiling and looking on.

LEAH: go ahead and change mine to "overnight tonight", whatever timeframe that winds up being. Say, 3 am Saturday. Because that makes it more of a surprise. No point announcing it to us all today, and then flying everyone to Illinois to throw everyone into a tizzy, unless you are delaying the "first" announcement till morning. And you know that CNN will report that announcement as soon as their text messages come in.

it's like Christmas.; August 22, 2008 2:28 PM
Richard said...: I would like to add that I object to putting prepubescent girls' bodies on display for our viewing pleasure. True, I have problems with putting women's bodies on display for our viewing pleasure regardless of age, especially when it is carried out in the name of sport. Personally, I would prefer that women's gymnastics be modified to bring its requirements more in line with those of men's gymnastics. Be that as it may, I think a minimum age of 16, however arbitrary, is a minimum gesture toward protecting young women from exploitation.

I will no longer be responding to anything you say on this topic, AP, but feel free to respond if you want. I am satisfied that I have had my say and have no desire to continue what seems to me at this point to me a pointless argument in this forum.; August 22, 2008 2:32 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: and then it would be a "3 am phone call"

8-/; August 22, 2008 2:36 PM
apissedant said...: I find beauty pageants much more objectionable than gymnastics. Showing athletic prowess is not objectifying women, but slapping on three inches of makeup on a 4 year old, and then having them parade down a stage in a two piece bikini is despicable.

On that note, what respectable sport has a skirt in the uniform requirements? Maybe we should take a look at women's field hockey.; August 22, 2008 2:41 PM
apissedant said...: vicki,
Flying a large number of candidates is the only way I could see a Saturday notification. I don't know how the media would respond to that though. It might be viewed as a giant and useless publicity stunt and get negative media attention.; August 22, 2008 2:43 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Hahahaha!

CNN has two live streams running - one for the outside of Biden's house and one at Bayh's house - the Bayh stream is just the camera focusing on the bottom of the garage door waiting for it to open!

This is getting pretty ridiculous! :); August 22, 2008 2:43 PM
Richard said...: Leah, I honestly don't know. AP's points about transportation logistics are good, especially with reporters camped out in front of every short-lister's house. But there is one situation in which this would not matter: if Obama is going to choose someone not thought to be on the short-short list and who will travel in secrecy, perhaps on a chartered flight. Therefore, I will say: 30 minutes before the scheduled start of Saturday's rally.; August 22, 2008 2:45 PM
Independent Voter said...: OH MY! New Obama ad.....I LOVE IT!

"Country Club Economics"; August 22, 2008 2:52 PM
Independent Voter said...: DAMMIT! Just got an e-mail from David Plouffe......DAMMIT! It wasn't the VP pick....it was about the new ad. LMAO; August 22, 2008 3:02 PM
jean said...: vicki,
The 3am phone is good.
So could it be HRC?
To much time and I am obviously over obsessing.
Dang.
jean; August 22, 2008 3:07 PM
jean said...: Indy,
he,he,he!
I see you are obsessing also LOL.; August 22, 2008 3:09 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama's 2008 VP Pick Contest

Leah - Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (Caroline Kennedy) – Friday 3pm Texas time
Vicki - Senator Biden (Gore) – Fri 6 pm eastern/Sat 3 am
Rich - Gov. Bill Richardson (Biden) – Friday 12pm noon/30 mins b4 rally
Independent Voter - Senator Lincoln Chafee (Powell/Biden)
apissedant - Gov. Tim Kaine (Sebelius) – Friday at 4:45
Aunt Jean - Senator Jack Reed (Clinton) – Friday 4:30 pm Texas time
Beryl - Clark (Biden) – Friday, 2pm ET
Karen Anne - Senator Evan Bayh (Gore/Lincoln Chafee)
tmess2 - Senator Evan Bayh (Gov. Salazar) – Friday at 3:30 p.m. EDT
Oh Canada - Gov. Kathleen Sebelius
jean - Senator Biden (Reed) – Friday 12:30pm eastern/Sat 9:30 am
Mike in Maryland - Senator Biden (no second choice) – Friday, 3:45 PM
suzi - 4 p.m. central
Tyler - Chet Edwards – Friday 3:00 PM; August 22, 2008 3:09 PM
apissedant said...: Rich,
How far off the radar would his choice have to be to not be noticed traveling?; August 22, 2008 3:12 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: I knew that the idea of a 3 am phone call would sit very well with you, jean (also with AJ).

Leah: you can delete 6 pm eastern. I honestly think it will be an overnight call.

but I'm still carrying my cell with me all day today.; August 22, 2008 3:13 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: apissedand - it would probably have to be one of us, hahahhaha! to be that far off the radar.; August 22, 2008 3:14 PM
Independent Voter said...: Jean - LOL! Yes, I'm obsessing! That's not easy for me to admit either.; August 22, 2008 3:14 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: LOL! I'm obsessing, too!

but I need to get over to my office for awhile.; August 22, 2008 3:17 PM
Beryl said...: I love the 3 AM idea and would take it if it was available.

Now that my time has passed, I'll now take Saturday, 4:00 AM ET

My choice is the the same but I'll add 2 more backups since no one else has them listed.

Clark (Biden, Feingold, Bloomberg); August 22, 2008 3:18 PM
apissedant said...: vicki,
LOL, well I'm pretty sure he's smart enough to not pick one of us. ;) But I'll do my research for a Constitutional challenge to the age requirement just in case. ;); August 22, 2008 3:21 PM
jean said...: Ap,
I fully believe not on this continent UNLESS you had really good Secret Service Agents:); August 22, 2008 3:21 PM
jean said...: I think CNN will get the word out faster because I think the lines will be JAMMED.; August 22, 2008 3:23 PM
jean said...: Holy Wow,
That makes the 3am phone call quite viable.
I need to stop.
I am obviously in my special world.; August 22, 2008 3:26 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: another reason to do it overnight: to help prevent the lines jamming!

btw, after our last natural disaster (2001 earthquake, mag 6.8), no cell phone calls were getting through for a good hour. the lines really were jammed.; August 22, 2008 3:26 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: jean: jinx! we had the same thought at the same time.

I think he must know that he's got the viral buzz thing going by now.; August 22, 2008 3:28 PM
UUbuntu said...: Looks like my time passed too, and since I hadn't given 2nd/3rd choices, I'll give them now.

The 3:00 AM phone call line is cute (but it might not be so cute at 3AM).

I pick Chet Edwards mainly because nobody else here has.

As far as picks I would like, I go with Gore (who has no shot) or Clark (who is a long shot).

As far as picks I think are likely, I like Biden more than the others, but they all are good. Even Clinton.

Heck, I'll vote for Obama in November no matter whom he picks as VP, though if he picks Dick Cheney, I may have to think twice before pulling the lever.

So, a revised selection is

Chet Edwards (Gore/Clark/Biden), sometime today. 5:00 PM perhaps?; August 22, 2008 3:31 PM
Richard said...: Well, AP, I will offer one possible scenario: Sam Nunn, overseas on a junket, boards a red-eye for Chicago overnight. Obama sends a car to pick him up at O'Hare and spirit him to a hotel room rented by Obama staffers. He breakfasts in his room, then takes another private car to Springfield and arrives 15 minutes before the rally.

The same could probably work for Chet Edwards and maybe even Bill Richardson, substituting a chartered flight to avoid ticketing leaks.

One final possibility: Obama's staffers erect a backdrop that will double as a projection screen and Obama's running mate appears via satellite or even pre-recorded message.; August 22, 2008 3:31 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama's 2008 VP Pick Contest

Leah - Gov. Sebelius (C. Kennedy) – Friday 3pm Texas time/Sat 3am
Vicki - Senator Biden (Gore) – Fri 6 pm eastern/Sat 3 am
Rich - Gov. Bill Richardson (Biden) – Friday 12pm noon/30mins b4 rally
Independent Voter - Senator Lincoln Chafee (Powell/Biden)
apissedant - Gov. Tim Kaine (Sebelius) – Friday at 4:45
Aunt Jean - Senator Jack Reed (Clinton) – Friday 4:30 pm Texas time
Beryl - Clark (Biden, Feingold, Bloomberg) – Friday, 2pm ET/Sat 4:00 AM ET
Karen Anne - Senator Evan Bayh (Gore/Lincoln Chafee)
tmess2 - Senator Evan Bayh (Gov. Salazar) – Friday at 3:30 p.m. EDT
Oh Canada - Gov. Kathleen Sebelius
jean - Senator Biden (Reed) – Friday 12:30pm eastern/Sat 9:30 am
Mike in Maryland - Senator Biden (no second choice) – Friday, 3:45 PM
suzi - 4 p.m. central
Tyler - Chet Edwards (Gore/Clark/Biden) – Friday 5:00 PM

Cut off time for contest submissions 3pm Texas time (20 mins from now at the top of the hour).; August 22, 2008 3:39 PM
Richard said...: Hmm. CNN is staking out Midway airport, but not O'Hare apparantly. International arrival might aid secrecy...; August 22, 2008 4:04 PM
jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 22, 2008 4:10 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: jean - LOL! You ARE obsessed!; August 22, 2008 4:12 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Rich - Obama usually lands at Midway.

It sorta makes more sense to me that the VP will wake up in the morning and go directly to Springfield and not to Chicago.; August 22, 2008 4:14 PM
jean said...: leah,
You are correct and I deleted the comment.
Dang LOL.
jean; August 22, 2008 4:17 PM
Richard said...: Leah, it's my understanding that Springfield's airport only has regular service to Chicago O'Hare and St. Luis. There are two United Express flights from O'Hare tomorrow morning, but I don't think any candidate is going to be able to make a connecting flight without a layover in Chicago.

Of course, if it's a chartered flight...; August 22, 2008 4:21 PM
Richard said...: Jean, I liked the comment. So if I understand you, the equipment one would need to do an outdoor sattelite appearance would have to have been arranged well in advance, but you have no knowledge that it was?; August 22, 2008 4:22 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Well it will probably be a charted flight and also the secret service will be with the VP pick immediately following the announcement.; August 22, 2008 4:24 PM
jean said...: rich,
That is correct and I was told by the husband it was not appropriate to call.
He is also correct in saying that.
It obviously is only for my own personal knowledge.
The husband is still laughing at me.
"Patience is a Virtue.:)
jean; August 22, 2008 4:28 PM
Richard said...: If it's a chartered flight, then there is no reason it couldn't fly directly into SPI, of course. But if Obama wants to keep it secret until just before the rally it would not make much sense to have the nominee fly directly into Springfield, which will undoubtedly be staked-out.

In any case, that doesn't change my belief that all but the most-watched candidates might be able to travel to Springfield in secrecy.; August 22, 2008 4:28 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: If Obama wants his VP pick to be in this news cycle he had better HURRY UP!

I can't stand this anymore!; August 22, 2008 4:31 PM
UUbuntu said...: Anyone watch McCain's new ad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHoUUEkQjTk

It opens with - I kid you not - "Celebrities don't have to worry about family budgets, but we do."

I have a video counter ad --

Take the first 13 seconds of the ad, and then point out that some people who worry about family budgets are the ones whose family needed food stamps to eat, not the ones who don't know how many houses they own.

Somehow the irony of that commercial would be funny if this election weren't so close.; August 22, 2008 4:37 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I'll be glad when the Olympics are over and MSNBC gets back to normal. I have Fox on and they are fixin' to have Hillary supporters on that say they are 'ready to pounce' if Hillary is not the VP!

If Obama loses this election we will have all the PUMAs and other anti-Obama groups that have been started by Hillary supporters to thank. This really makes me furious! Don't they realize that McCain is the worse thing that could happen to America and women's issues, civil rights, THE DRAFT, etc.!; August 22, 2008 4:44 PM
Richard said...: Leah, I miss my MSNBC. So. Hard. I have had CNN on all day, and I just can't stand their idea of balance (which appears to alternately touting both sides of an issue). I can't wait for the announcement.; August 22, 2008 4:49 PM
Mug said...: Hey everyone, I took a break for awhile but I'm back. I did have something to comment about the age restriction on women's gymnastics. The main reason for it is that women's gymnastics training can be very damaging to the bodies of these young women and for a gymnast to peek at age 13, they must begin training at about age eight. Before the age restriction, gold medals were going to mostly 13 or 14 year old girls such as Nadia Comaneci. The gymnastics careers of those young ladies ended at around age 15 or 16 as a direct result of training at a very young age. The age restriction is designed to protect the physical wellbeing of the gymnasts themselves. Some countries however, don't really care about their own people as much as they care about Olympic gold.; August 22, 2008 4:52 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I've gotten to where CNN gets on my nerves. I swear every time I pop on over there and Lou Dobbs is on the only thing he ever talks about is immigration and illegal aliens!

Fox is awful too but I like Shepard Smith.

I want my MSNBC!!!; August 22, 2008 4:53 PM
Beryl said...: Leah
Please don't get it twisted. PUMA was started by a McCain supporter, not a HRC supporter. They are being USED by the Repugnican Party.

If Obama wins, we still have the Repugnicans to blame. Their greedy corporatist base is working their devious plan:

1. Appeal to the HRC supporters.

2. Appeal to the racists in denial.

3. Appeal to the evangelicals who only care about 2 issues -- abortion and homosexuality.

I'm hoping that the Clintons really make a difference by appealing to #1 & #2 next week.; August 22, 2008 4:55 PM
Mug said...: leah texas4obama said:
Don't they realize that McCain is the worse thing that could happen to America and women's issues, civil rights, THE DRAFT, etc.!

Well, not meaning to play devil's advocate but Obama is in favor of bringing back the draft. He said so one year before he announce he was running for president. However, he would not do so during a war. "You fix the roof when the sun is shining, not during a storm." I agree with him 100% because he said that if there was a draft, the common people would pay much closer attention to what those in Washington DC do. If there had been a draft six years ago, we would not be in Iraq right now.; August 22, 2008 4:57 PM
Beryl said...: Ugh!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/20/opinion/20dowd.html

What's up with the Times?; August 22, 2008 4:59 PM
tmess2 said...: At this point 80 minutes until the start of the evening news and 170 minutes until the start of prime time.

I could see Obama announcing right at the start of the evening news or right at the start of prime time. With the Olympic coverage being playing tape for the first hour of prime time, NBC wouldn't miss any major coverage if they had to do a special report at the start of prime time. Once you get past that, my hunch is that it will be right before the Springfield event.; August 22, 2008 5:16 PM
Independent Voter said...: Perhaps he's going to go on MSNBC?; August 22, 2008 5:39 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Flashback: McCain didn’t know what kind of car he drove.»

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/22/nro-mccain-didnt-know-what-kind-of-car-he-drove/

.; August 22, 2008 5:44 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Indy-

Good point!

I don't think Obama will go on MSNBC (he hasn't said anything about going on TV, just the text/email messages), but I think it would be a good idea for Obama to wait for MSNBC to be done with the Olympic coverage and start the news!; August 22, 2008 5:48 PM
Independent Voter said...: Leah, there is a break from 7-9 ET so probably right before Chris Matthews goes on - virtual MSNBC appearance? LOL; August 22, 2008 5:51 PM
jean said...: Well,
The only person who has a chance right now to be correct from original projections is vicki, and her time is up in 8 minutes.
We are one sorry crowd;)
Gotta laugh.
jean; August 22, 2008 5:54 PM
Beryl said...: Who is the real elitist?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjJGudkju0g; August 22, 2008 5:57 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL jean - nobody picked beyond 6 pm?

I didn't pick a time, especially since my day came and went (it was Wednesday).; August 22, 2008 5:57 PM
Richard said...: Six o'clock or not today, I say. Can't see any point to releasing the name after the news tonight.

Is anyone else getting kinda annoyed by this whole thing? I'm a huge supporter, but I find myself growing more and more annoyed despite myself.; August 22, 2008 5:59 PM
Karen Anne said...: I am unable to remember I guess it's my advanced age when anyone gave a dang about the VP pick in previous elections, except Dan Quayle was so wildly incompetent that everyone beamed live forever wishes at Bush the Elder.

Why has this become different?; August 22, 2008 6:13 PM
Beryl said...: Biden?

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7675

Maybe I should change my vote again. LOL!; August 22, 2008 6:17 PM
Independent Voter said...: beryl, I love the comment:

So now you can say that you read on a blog that a friend of a friend of a source of a blogger overheard a phone conversation between Biden and Obama staffers making plans for Springfield.; August 22, 2008 6:21 PM
Independent Voter said...: UGH! Wolf Bastard.......er.....I mean Blitzer, just asked "how has he been able to keep this a secret....and if he wins in November would Obama run a secretive White House." UGH!

I'm telling you, they (CNN) really need to retire the Werewolf.; August 22, 2008 6:28 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: All of our first choices were wrong and I have deleted them.
If you a second choice let me have it for the list ASAP :)

Obama's 2008 VP Pick Contest

Leah - Gov. Sebelius (C. Kennedy) – Sat 3am
Vicki - Senator Biden (Gore) – Sat 3 am
Rich - Gov. Bill Richardson (Biden) – 30mins b4 rally
Independent Voter - Senator Lincoln Chafee (Powell/Biden)
apissedant - Gov. Tim Kaine (Sebelius) –
Aunt Jean - Senator Jack Reed (Clinton) –
Beryl - Clark (Biden, Feingold, Bloomberg) – Sat 4:00 AM ET
Karen Anne - Senator Evan Bayh (Gore/Lincoln Chafee)
tmess2 - Senator Evan Bayh (Gov. Salazar) –
Oh Canada - Gov. Kathleen Sebelius
jean - Senator Biden (Reed) – Sat 9:30 am
Mike in Maryland - Senator Biden (no second choice) –
suzi -
Tyler - Chet Edwards (Gore/Clark/Biden) –

All of our first choices were wrong and I have deleted them.
If you a second choice let me have it for the list ASAP :); August 22, 2008 6:30 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: On CNN a reporter asked Hillary "Do you still want the job?" Hillary said: "I have never said that I did."

She said that she is FULLY supporting Obama and intends to get him into the White House.; August 22, 2008 6:33 PM
apissedant said...: I've decided I'm tired of being wrong.

To fix this problem, I've decided to update my guess to be within the next minute. When that time period has come and gone, my new guess will be within the next minute after that, until Obama actually chooses someone.

I will also update my guess of who he picks to be a natural born American citizen who is at least 35 years of age and has no felonies on his record.; August 22, 2008 6:33 PM
apissedant said...: Oh, and his may mean hers; August 22, 2008 6:36 PM
apissedant said...: You know... if our candidate was McCain... I'd say he is just stalling because he can't figure our these pesky text messages...; August 22, 2008 6:37 PM
Beryl said...: LOL @ apis.

I think if it was HRC, it will be a 3 AM ET text message. That would be a nice media stunt. Lots to talk and laugh about between the running-mates.

The Clintons would have a LOT of exposure at the convention though. Obama may even be overshadowed.; August 22, 2008 6:41 PM
jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 22, 2008 6:43 PM
Beryl said...: I'm telling both of the Jeans here -- I'm fine with HRC as VP (as long as Obama stays healthy and able to govern without outside interference).

We can't afford to have McWorse to win this thing because I honestly feel that it will be the demise of our country. The rich Repugnicans will take their millions and leave the country but the rest of us will suffer.

This election is serious.; August 22, 2008 6:50 PM
jean said...: beryl,
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
This pretty much cans HRC.
She was not vetted etc.
The convention could get a bit wierd no doubt.
There goes the spinning.
jean; August 22, 2008 6:52 PM
Beryl said...: I read that crap, Jean.

1. How much more vetting did HRC require? She was already vetted by her own words.

2. She and Obama has talked and I think they came to an agreement. Based on what SHE said, she is not interested in the VP spot. I'm sure she made that clear to Obama. Look at what is planned at the Conventions. Both Clintons have prime spots. I'm sure this was all orchestrated.

3. The Clintons made it clear that they weren't going to release some financial records during the primary.

All of this talk is coming from places I don't like.; August 22, 2008 7:07 PM
jean said...: beryl,
Ye, I here you. But I was a HRC supporter before and getting crushed again would suck.
I am going to take it as a surprise and no way expect it.

On a light note, just went to the store and the bakery had a bunch of pastrys, day old 99cents, and I bought a bunch since I will have 6 15-17 olds here tonight.
They won't last 30 minutes after dinner.
jean; August 22, 2008 7:14 PM
Independent Voter said...: Leah, here's a video dedicated to you. (Just because of your mention of Lou Dobss earlier)

(Advance the video to 6:10 for the Dobbs-O-Meter!); August 22, 2008 7:26 PM
Independent Voter said...: jean - I do NOT envy you one bit! Good luck with all the kids.; August 22, 2008 7:30 PM
jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 22, 2008 7:32 PM
jean said...: Indy,
Deleted the prior comment.
Did not come out right.

They are good kids.
They just always seem to end up here.
I guess I am blessed LOL.
jean; August 22, 2008 7:35 PM
Independent Voter said...: Jean, ya, I'm sure teenagers are easier than 5-6 screaming little ones running around breaking everything in sight. LOL; August 22, 2008 7:42 PM
Beryl said...: Speaking of kids, my sister (much older) is bringing over her grandbabies. ugh!; August 22, 2008 7:44 PM
jean said...: beryl,
LOL
If they are grandbabies all you need is cheerios and some cut up fruit with a table cloth on the ground, your good.
Of course a disney video does not hurt LOL.
jean; August 22, 2008 7:47 PM
jean said...: Just the local paper but they said 2hrs before event Sat.
http://www.10news.com/politics/17262754/detail.html; August 22, 2008 7:58 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL jean, I like Sebelius' response. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, nooooo; August 22, 2008 8:04 PM
apissedant said...: Bayh and Kaine are out.; August 22, 2008 8:04 PM
apissedant said...: Now I'm fully on the Sebelius bandwagon. Come on backup!; August 22, 2008 8:05 PM
apissedant said...: Good thing I switched over to a natural born American citizen over the age of 35 without an felony convictions. =); August 22, 2008 8:06 PM
apissedant said...: *any

My typos are out of control lately.; August 22, 2008 8:07 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: On MSNBC it is on the bottom of the screen that NBC has been told by sources that it is NOT Bayh or Kaine.; August 22, 2008 8:10 PM
Independent Voter said...: Jean, I hope that 2 hours before is wrong. Doesn't he know that the United states has FOUR (technically 6) time zones. If his speech is at 1 then that means we will be notified at 8 AM (2 hours before the speech), and I sure as hell will NOT be awake at 8 AM. Since Bill got back on Wednesday, he and I haven't had much time together so we are going out to dinner tonight (unless he changes his mind). Either way, I already know I won't be awake at the time, that they anticipate sending out the text messages. Can you imagine being in AK (7AM) or HI(5AM) when the text is sent out?; August 22, 2008 8:20 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: I still think that anyone attached to the idea of actually being asleep all night, should just shut off their cell phones for the night.

I'll be awake at 8. in fact, I usually wake up (weekend or no) between 6 and 7. If I get up tomorrow and Santa hasn't left me a text message, I'm gonna be beside myself.

I see Matt/Oreo actually tracked an airplane to Delaware. Nope, we are not obsessing! at ALL!!

(extremely large grin); August 22, 2008 8:32 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - too funny.

I liked KO's new caption "McNopoly".; August 22, 2008 8:32 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Front page of DCW says that a plane has landed in New Castle, Delaware from Chicago.

Take a look...; August 22, 2008 8:40 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Vicki. So how is Biden going to sneak out? Do you think he has a way out the back?; August 22, 2008 8:40 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Well if is Biden - Obama picked someone that really does have experience. Looks like Obama does have good judgment.; August 22, 2008 8:46 PM
apissedant said...: If it is Biden, and this is the plane that is picking him up... then I think it is a mistake. The text should have gone out before the plane.; August 22, 2008 8:50 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Maybe the plane is just going to go around and pick up a bunch of people and take them to the rally tomorrow... wonder if any other planes have been dispatched.; August 22, 2008 8:56 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: It is a private jet.

How many corporations are HQed in the northern part of Delaware? Corporations big enough, with top officers rich enough, to charter a jet? How many would have research projects going on to require rapid travel? How many of these corporations would have people who would have a need or want to charter a jet to Chicago, New York, the West Coast?

The speculation is getting crazier and crazier by the minute. For all we know, it could be a jet that is part of the federal witness protection program. Not likely, but it could be.

Mike; August 22, 2008 9:04 PM
jean said...: I am going with the federal witness protection program.
Good Call mike;)
jean; August 22, 2008 9:09 PM
Beryl said...: Grandnieces/nephew:
So far their Slushies have Christened my beautiful area rug. They are now eating Chinese food and I hope more goes into them than on my floor.; August 22, 2008 9:13 PM
apissedant said...: Very good point Mike. Every single corporation I have ever invested in was Deleware based. I think their tax code is very advantageous.; August 22, 2008 9:14 PM
apissedant said...: If it is witness protection... they might have to replace the witness after tonight. I'd suggest not flying back to Chicago also.; August 22, 2008 9:21 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: On CNN Candy Crowley says she thinks the text messages will start going out in the morning around 6am.

Bill Richardson said earlier that he thinks sometime after midnight.

NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING!; August 22, 2008 9:25 PM
jean said...: beryl,
You now are at the happy hour time.
Go for it, remember, Stanley Steamer is your best friend;)
Good luck, LMAO.
jean; August 22, 2008 9:31 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: From CNN...

AP says Kaine is out, Obama VP text to come Saturday morning
Posted: 09:23 PM ET

The Associated Press reported Friday, sourcing a Democratic official, that Virginia Gov. Kaine says he will not be Barack Obama's running mate.

AP also reported late Friday that officials said the text message announcing Obama's VP would be distributed Saturday morning, a few hours before a scheduled rally at the Old State Capitol in Springfield, Illinois, where the Democratic ticket would appear for the first time.
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I don't believe anything... the message could still come after midnight or even 3 A.M. ;); August 22, 2008 9:36 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: That photo of KAINE with Obama

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

looks like if Kaine's hair was a bit longer it would look like Mickey Mouse ears!; August 22, 2008 9:39 PM
Karen Anne said...: "how has he been able to keep this a secret....and if he wins in November would Obama run a secretive White House." UGH!

Like maybe not outing CIA agents? I could live with that.; August 22, 2008 9:46 PM
apissedant said...: Haha Leah, I always make fun of Kaine's hair too.; August 22, 2008 9:57 PM
Beryl said...: "Like maybe not outing CIA agents? I could live with that. "

Good one, Karen Ann.; August 22, 2008 10:00 PM
Independent Voter said...: Karen Anne.....That is EXACTLY the first thing that came to my mind.; August 22, 2008 10:00 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 22, 2008 10:16 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Just seen this...

One House One Spouse - Obama '08

---

Ain't that great! :); August 22, 2008 10:20 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: well, at this point, looks like the text goes out tomorrow morning sometime. I guess I'll see you all in the am! sleep well, don't forget to turn off your cell (unless you don't mind being woken up by this).; August 22, 2008 10:20 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: hahahha, Leah, that's a good slogan!; August 22, 2008 10:22 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: oh, I guess we really are a "blue" state: saw a bumper sticker that said, "embedded Republican" here.; August 22, 2008 10:23 PM
Independent Voter said...: OMG! That is GREAT Leah! The other one was good too Vicki.; August 22, 2008 10:29 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Sebelius/Gore--3 a.m. ;)

Mike was checking email too this afternoon. He's more excited than he wants to let on.

jean-Thanks for mentioning moleskin.

leah-Great slogan. GOP can't argue with that one. The party of family values doesn't have any room to talk.; August 22, 2008 10:45 PM
apissedant said...: http://www.cafepress.com/helderheid.296958258; August 22, 2008 10:49 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Source: Clinton has been told she's not the VP pick
Posted: 11:01 PM ET

From CNN Correspondent Jessica Yellin

(CNN) — A senior Democratic official who has spoken with Senator Hillary Clinton tonight tells CNN that the Obama campaign has communicated to Senator Clinton through private channels that she will not be Barack Obama’s vice presidential pick.; August 22, 2008 11:03 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: CNN confirms: Bayh out of the running
Posted: 10:10 PM ET

From CNN's John King and Ed Henry
Bayh will not be Obama's VP, CNN reports.
Bayh will not be Obama's VP, CNN reports.

(CNN) — Two Democratic sources confirm that Indiana Senator Evan Bayh is out of the running for Barack Obama’s vice presidential pick; August 22, 2008 11:04 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: CNN confirms: Kaine will not be VP
Posted: 09:59 PM ET

From CNN's Ed Henry and Candy Crowley
Kaine will not be Obama's running mate, according to the AP.
Kaine will not be Obama's running mate, according to the AP.

Sources close to Governor Tim Kaine of Virginia says he has been informed he will not be Obama’s Vice President. One source tells CNN that Obama personally made the call to Governor Kaine. Another source tells CNN that Kaine left Richmond for Denver a few hours ago, and has now arrived in Denver for the convention.; August 22, 2008 11:04 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant's first pick is toast!
Karen Anne's first pick is toast!
tmess' first pick - toast!
AJ's second choice - toast!

Sorry all! - thanks for playing

ROFL!

I'm just kidding with you all. Look at my picks - does anyone really believe that Chafee has a shot in hell? NOT!; August 22, 2008 11:10 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 22, 2008 11:14 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Kaine is out of the running.
Bayh is out of the running.
Clinton is out of the running.

Obama's 2008 VP Pick Contest

Leah - Gov. Sebelius (C. Kennedy) – Sat 3am
Vicki - Senator Biden (Gore) – Sat 3 am
Rich - Gov. Bill Richardson (Biden) – 30mins b4 rally
Independent Voter - Senator Lincoln Chafee (Powell/Biden)
apissedant - Gov. Tim Kaine (Sebelius) –
Aunt Jean - Senator Jack Reed (Clinton) –
Beryl - Clark (Biden, Feingold, Bloomberg) – Sat 4:00 AM ET
Karen Anne - Senator Evan Bayh (Gore/Lincoln Chafee)
tmess2 - Senator Evan Bayh (Gov. Salazar) –
Oh Canada - Gov. Kathleen Sebelius
jean - Senator Biden (Reed) – Sat 9:30 am
Mike in Maryland - Senator Biden (no second choice) –
suzi - Sebelius (Gore) – 3 a.m.
Tyler - Chet Edwards (Gore/Clark/Biden) –

Kaine is out of the running.
Bayh is out of the running.
Clinton is out of the running.; August 22, 2008 11:16 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: U.S. Secret Service on Way to Biden's House

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/08/us-secret-servi.html

.; August 22, 2008 11:18 PM
suzihussein22 said...: leah-Are you shaking the present more? ;)

g'night y'all; August 22, 2008 11:27 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL suzi! Goodnight.; August 22, 2008 11:28 PM
Richard said...: Wouldn't you know that the first serious leak of Biden's nomination would come from an executive branch department of this government?; August 22, 2008 11:29 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: LOL ;)

goodnight suzi :); August 22, 2008 11:36 PM
Independent Voter said...: rich - ain't that the frickin' truth! Unreal!; August 22, 2008 11:37 PM
apissedant said...: I'm going to be disappointed if it is Biden. The secret was not kept very well. He should have just given us the text Thursday. That is too much time to expect the airports and the Bush administration to remain quiet.; August 22, 2008 11:39 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - GET OVER IT! Its Biden!; August 22, 2008 11:42 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I still think false leaks are coming out.

I won't believe anything until we hear it from Obama.; August 22, 2008 11:43 PM
Richard said...: AP - I agree. The way they were building it up and promising to tell us first, I didn't expect to read it first here. He should have sent it out this afternoon at the latest.

On the other hand, it is possible that they didn't really have much choice and that, whenever they did it, the Secret Service was going to know first and it was bound to get out.

How soon after they were informed do you think Dick Cheney knew?; August 22, 2008 11:44 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - you have to remember that it has been pure speculation on the media's part ever since the Georgia/Russia fiasco. It's was nothing the campaign did. The campaign did a great job of keeping it under wraps. But Andrea Mitchell started all this crap last week, especially since the Georgian President called and requested Biden to go meet with other foreign leaders.

Like I said before "GET OVER IT!"; August 22, 2008 11:46 PM
Independent Voter said...: rich - Dick Cheney knew immediately! Because the Secret Service is triggered by the executive branch. And well you know Bush is always on vacation (well that's not true, he just does less damage when he's on vacation.); August 22, 2008 11:48 PM
LostBob said...: I think the timing is determined by the cell system minimum busy hours between midnight and 6AM.
The text message flurry will present a significant surge load onthe system. Do it in minimum busy hour so as not to bog down the cell system.; August 22, 2008 11:54 PM
Aunt Jean said...: To everyone I think CNN sucks and don't know a darn thing about who is'nt or is pivked for VP.Even though it's looking like it's going to be Biden. But not because CNN thinks it will be. I trust the media as far as I can throw them!!!AJ; August 23, 2008 12:08 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 23, 2008 12:09 AM
Richard said...: Lost Bob, I don't disagree with you. I have heard that there are a couple of million text messages to be sent, which is likely to be a huge burden on the infrastructure. I am sure that Obama has been coordinating with his cell provider to be sure it goes off smoothly.; August 23, 2008 12:11 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

by the way I will take 7 am Tex. time. AJ; August 23, 2008 12:13 AM
Richard said...: Random thought on seeing yet another picture of Obama with his various tech devices: Obama is going to go through major tech withdrawal when he becomes president. There is no way they're going to let him keep his Blackberry.; August 23, 2008 12:20 AM
LostBob said...: 2AM - 5AM are the normally the lowest traffic time. That's when I would do it if it were my system.

My guess is that Obamma's folks did not take that into consideration when they committed to doing this. Earlier in the evening would have been better for the news cycle,; August 23, 2008 12:23 AM
Independent Voter said...: AJ, I think that most of us can agree that CNN sucks, but almost all of the cable "news" companies are garbage. This is primarily due to the deregulation of the media and allowed corporate consolidation to take place.

Since we really only have 3 major cable networks, and MSNBC REALLY SUCKS after KO's 8pm replay, we are pretty much stuck with either CNN or Faux news. Pick your poison.; August 23, 2008 12:24 AM
Independent Voter said...: Rich - I highly doubt he will allow them to take them away ;)

He'll be the president! He'll have all the toys he wants......Now I'm pissed. I can't have all the toys I want. LOL; August 23, 2008 12:26 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Kaine is out of the running.
Bayh is out of the running.
Clinton is out of the running.

Obama's 2008 VP Pick Contest

Leah - Gov. Sebelius (C. Kennedy) – Sat 3am Texas time
Vicki - Senator Biden (Gore) – Sat 3 am
Rich - Gov. Bill Richardson (Biden) – 30mins b4 rally
Independent Voter - Senator Lincoln Chafee (Powell/Biden)
apissedant - Gov. Tim Kaine (Sebelius) –
Aunt Jean - Senator Jack Reed (Clinton) – 7 am Texas time
Beryl - Clark (Biden, Feingold, Bloomberg) – Sat 4:00 am ET
Karen Anne - Senator Evan Bayh (Gore/Lincoln Chafee)
tmess2 - Senator Evan Bayh (Gov. Salazar) –
Oh Canada - Gov. Kathleen Sebelius
jean - Senator Biden (Reed) – Sat 9:30 am
Mike in Maryland - Senator Biden (no second choice) –
suzi - Sebelius (Gore) – 3 a.m.
Tyler - Chet Edwards (Gore/Clark/Biden) –; August 23, 2008 12:26 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

ok I'll pick not those! I'm in a lousy mood got some bad news today. AJ; August 23, 2008 12:27 AM
Independent Voter said...: lost bob - don't forget that "regular text fees apply". LOL; August 23, 2008 12:27 AM
Independent Voter said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 23, 2008 12:28 AM
Independent Voter said...: What kind of bad news AJ?; August 23, 2008 12:29 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I just want to say that the media has been talking about Bayh, Kaine, Biden, Clinton, and Sebelius the past week.

We now know that Bayh, Kaine, and Clinton are out.

Biden is getting a lot of attention tonight.

But where is Sebelius and what is she doing right now?

The media has not said one word tonight about her!

Something is up!; August 23, 2008 12:34 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave
my 6 years old great nephew more than likely will have to have open heart surgery. He was born with aorta stenosis. All we can hope for is the person that read the doppler test and the other test make a mistake.Several heart doctors are going to get together and go over all the test he has had done and then make a decision. In the mean time he can not do anything. No running, playing, getting angry, excited, or anything else. He's an active little boy. It's going to be very hard on his mother more so because she also has 3 other boys 3, 5 and a 10 year old. AJ; August 23, 2008 12:35 AM
Independent Voter said...: AJ - I am so sorry to hear that. My thoughts will be with you and your family. That is awful.

Don't I feel like a horses ass. I deleted my "joke" that I'm sure went over like a lead balloon.; August 23, 2008 12:39 AM
Independent Voter said...: Leah, I don't think it's going to be Sebelius. I personally believe that up until Russia invaded Georgia Sebelius was way up on the list, but as soon as that event took place, he was forced to take the foreign policy "expert" over an individual in an executive branch.; August 23, 2008 12:43 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: CNN just said that Obama offered it to Biden and Biden accepted -- from some unknown Democratic source.

Hmmmm...; August 23, 2008 12:45 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

I know that you were joking and I didn't take it personal. I'm just emotional right now. AJ; August 23, 2008 12:48 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: AJ-

Sorry to hear about your bad news. Hopefully the doctors will find out better news when they review the test or do some more tests. We will keep him in our prayers.; August 23, 2008 12:48 AM
Independent Voter said...: AJ - I knew you would know it was a joke, but it doesn't make it any less tasteless. :); August 23, 2008 12:50 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Well I think this sucks.
The news media is reporting rumors. Nothing official.

Obama needs to send out a message now - before all the people get pissed off.; August 23, 2008 12:50 AM
Independent Voter said...: Leah, Actually whoever the damn leaks are need to be fired and really taken have their asses kicked, AND HARD!; August 23, 2008 12:51 AM
apissedant said...: Yes, the campaign kept the secret, but they should have found a way to prevent the secret service from busting up the news. I think the 47 reporters outside would have protected him just fine until the secret service showed up. ;)

Didn't John McCain refuse Secret Service for quite awhile?

I just don't think he needed protection from the minute it was/is announced.

I still say if he had announced it in the middle of one of his events this week it would have been fine. Everyone was trained on him, everyone inside was probably on the text list... you'd here a giant mass churp/vibration and he'd tell everyone to check their phones. =); August 23, 2008 12:53 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah
thanks for your prayers. From what I got out of my niece [she was pretty upset]it will be least a couple of weeks before we know what's going to happen for sure. Like I said I just hope that the reading was wrong. AJ; August 23, 2008 12:53 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: I wonder if the news crews have staked out the train staion in Wilmington. It is one of the busier stations on Antrak's NorthEast Corridor.

Wilmington is 6 miles from the New Castle County Airport. There are several northbound and southbound trains that stop at that station every hour. It wouldn't be that difficult for someone to hop on the train in DC, Baltimore, Philly, NYC, Boston, etc., and get off in Wilmington.

I say this IF the charter jet is in Delaware to take the VP candidate from New Castle to Illinois. Be a good way to throw all the reporters completely off.

Mike; August 23, 2008 12:55 AM
apissedant said...: Mike,
So it could be your former Governor, right? =); August 23, 2008 12:58 AM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - It is beyond Obama's control if the executive branch (Bush/Cheney) leaks that SS was dispatched.

McCain refused SS until he became the presumptive nominee and of course he never received the death threats that Obama and Hillary received. (Of course Hillary already had SS protection).; August 23, 2008 12:59 AM
Independent Voter said...: The ONLY question that I have now is what does he do about his Senate reelection bid?; August 23, 2008 1:03 AM
apissedant said...: By the way Mike, I believe I may finally be done with Maryland's Comptroller on Monday. It took a year, but I think they're finally going to stop trying to charge me 3200 dollars in extra taxes. I spent 8 months sending them documents and got it down to 350, and then the last 4 getting rid of that.

The latest dispute involved rental losses on my Virginia home while I was in Maryland. The woman on the phone actually asked me to prove that I didn't rent out the home while I lived in Virginia... in the home, otherwise she couldn't attribute the losses to Maryland income because I could have incurred them while renting the home while I resided in Virginia.

I lost my cool. I yelled at her for a few minutes, explained that I had sent her all the rental paperwork, and there was absolutely no way for me to show documentation that I DIDN'T rent out the home. It is not possible to prove a negative. She called back two hours later and said she would attribute the loss to Maryland and get back to me on Monday.

I hate your state.; August 23, 2008 1:05 AM
apissedant said...: AJ,
I'm sorry to hear about your bad news. Hopefully better news will follow.; August 23, 2008 1:06 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: AP,

Glendening? Too controversial.

Couldn't be Schaefer - he's too old.

And since you said 'former' it can't be O'Malley, since his current term doesn't end until 2011.

VBG

Mike

P.S. - If you meant Boobie, he's a Club for Growth-type Repig, and if Senator Obama even thought of choosing him, I'd seriously consider NOT voting for Obama in November. But I have a lot of faith in how intelligent Senator Obama is, and Boobie would not be an intelligent choice for ANY Presidential candidate. I'd place him in the same category as Agnew, Quayle and Cheney.; August 23, 2008 1:07 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Ap

thanks.me too! AJ; August 23, 2008 1:10 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I still don't believe it is Biden.

Obama said no one would know until HE said who it is.

And I do not believe that he would have asked the secret service to head over there yet. Obama would know that there would be a leak from the Republican controlled SS guys.

The confirmation was from an anonymous source so it still it not official ;); August 23, 2008 1:10 AM
Aunt Jean said...: MIM

that's pretty bad to put him in the group of those three.Don't know anything about him. Matter of fact never heard of him. AJ; August 23, 2008 1:12 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

I agree with you. I don't think that Obama would let it leak out before he wanted it to. AJ; August 23, 2008 1:16 AM
Beryl said...: It was bound to be leaked prematurely. If true, Biden is a good pick. As many in the MSM noticed, Obama had a number of excellent options.

I do hope Obama makes the "articulate and clean" comment when introducing him. It would be hilarious.; August 23, 2008 1:23 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Joseph R. Biden, Jr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_biden

.; August 23, 2008 1:28 AM
Independent Voter said...: beryl, that would be funny, this would definitely show Obama's humorous side.; August 23, 2008 1:31 AM
Independent Voter said...: I know you're waiting Leah and nobody else is biting. Have at it!; August 23, 2008 1:36 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama '08

;); August 23, 2008 1:37 AM
Independent Voter said...: ;); August 23, 2008 1:38 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Thanks Indy - LOL - I just happened to refresh the page and seen your comment! I wasn't even paying attention this time.

I was over on Obama's website trying to see if they announced anything over there and they haven't. Seems like since the media is yakking they would post something - but not a word.; August 23, 2008 1:39 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Well everybody

I've got a headache from hell think I'll take a couple of advil and go to bed. Have a goodnight everyone. AJ; August 23, 2008 1:41 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I can say this...

If it is NOT Biden and Obama announces that it is someone else in the morning - the media is going to look like a bunch of fools - and they are going to be furious - and Obama just might not get any good press for a long time!!!; August 23, 2008 1:42 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Also I think it is very strange that Obama would pick Biden because he is 65 years old and has had those two brain aneurysms.

I think we just have to wait until morning to be sure.; August 23, 2008 1:44 AM
Independent Voter said...: LOL! Well, John King did say, several "trusted" Democrats....he never did say that it came out of the Obama campaign. So they may not be able to hold it against him.

G'night AJ and G'night everyone else, I'm going to crash too. See you all in the AM.; August 23, 2008 1:45 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Aunt Jean,

Truthfully, did you ever hear of Agnew before Nixon chose him?

Did you ever hear of Quayle before Bush 41 picked him?

Mike; August 23, 2008 1:53 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Hahahahaha!

CNN said that McCain has released a statement about Biden!

You can't tell me that McCain is up and awake at this time of night!; August 23, 2008 1:56 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Goodnight to everyone heading to bed ;)

I'm too wound up now to sleep!; August 23, 2008 1:58 AM
apissedant said...: From the WSJ:

The McCain campaign was quick to ridicule the choice. "There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama's lack of experience than Joe Biden," said his spokesman, Ben Borritt. "Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy judgment and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are quickly realizing -- that Barack Obama is not ready to be president."; August 23, 2008 2:00 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: As everyone here knows, the McLame(brain) campaign has been pushing the 'John McCain is not an arugula-eating, pointy-headed-professor type' meme, as if someone who eats arugula is a [horrors!] Commie.

The Washington Post has an article on arugula. If Senator Obama wants to play this card, he could incorporate eating arugula into a discussion of healthy eating.

He also could play up McLame(brain) slurring Italians. After all, eruca sativa is an ingredient in a lot of Mediterranean dishes.

Post article at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/22/AR2008082202958.html?hpid=topnews

Mike; August 23, 2008 2:03 AM
Beryl said...: The Repugnicans had a press release ready to slam ANY choice. Who cares? They are totally out of touch, evil, and bad for America -- at this time.

Obama/Biden 08; August 23, 2008 2:19 AM
apissedant said...: From that article:

Republican campaign strategist Mike Murphy wrote in Time magazine that working-class voters are suspicious of Obama, whom they see as one of the over-educated executive-types who are constantly downsizing the workforce: "Deep down, they think he'd rather hit the executive gym for a cardio workout during lunch hour than share a cheesesteak and beer with the hourly workforce." In this formulation, simply being health-conscious separates a candidate from the common citizen.

Why do people confuse education with wealth?
Why does it refer to professors as a bad thing?; August 23, 2008 2:19 AM

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