Democratic Convention Watch: Open Thread

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

Open Thread

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What is McCain's latest "senior moment", what does Obama need to do to win in November or whatever else is on your mind.

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Leah Texas4Obama said...: Barack Hussein Obama II (born August 4, 1961)

Joseph "Joe" Robinette Biden, Jr. (born November 20, 1942)

Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton (born October 26, 1947)

John Sidney McCain III (born August 29, 1936)

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ROBINETTE !!!; August 24, 2008 1:11 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 24, 2008 1:15 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Jill Biden bio...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Biden

.; August 24, 2008 1:16 AM
Aunt Jean said...: AP

all I'm saying is they are full of shit.[the polls I mean].I've talked to about 14 democrats just tonight you would think out of those at least 1 would say that Biden is better than Hillary if you listen to the polls. Frankly I believe them to be just about useless. The main reason is because he is so conservetive. They are avid gun owners and a few of them are menbers of the NRA and the NRA doesn't like Biden. AJ; August 24, 2008 1:18 AM
Unknown said...: McCain 286
Obama 252

McCain 2008 Hillary 2012; August 24, 2008 1:18 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Joe Biden bio...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_biden

.; August 24, 2008 1:18 AM
Aunt Jean said...: AP now I'm not saying that they said that they would vote for McLame but we were talking about Obamas pick. I'm also saying that they don't really have a choise of who they vote for because if they vote for Obama they would get Biden. That he is much better than anybody McLame will pick.I also agreed with them. AJ; August 24, 2008 1:27 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Karen

between a man and woman [might as well say 5 years] is a lot. AJ; August 24, 2008 1:30 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I wonder if McCain is going to 'seriously' consider Palin and Hutchinson, both females, for his VP. I could see him doing something like that to get the PUMAs and some other HRC folks that are mad, but I think he would upset his conservative base more than he would benefit from the extra votes.

I am hoping that he picks Romney or Lieberman because then he will surely lose!

Obama/Biden '08

p.s. I am having more trouble typing Biden than I ever did typing Sebelius! LOL :)

p.s.s. It was pretty funny today hearing Chris Matthews mess up several times calling Biden - O'Biden !; August 24, 2008 1:38 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Aunt Jean said...
all I'm saying is they are full of [****][the polls I mean].I've talked to about 14 democrats just tonight

And I could self-select 14 or 40 people to talk to and get whatever opinion I wanted to get, depending on who I selected.

As to the reference to polls, which 'polls' did you mean?

The different organization's rankings of Biden's votes? If so, those are not polls, but rankings of how the person agreed or disagreed, as indicated through recorded vote, with the organizations' view of how the vote should have gone.

The popularity polls, ala Gallup, Rasmusson, ARG, etc.? Those are not fact, but an estimate of how people view the candidates. Since they are estimates, they are not factual, but most are fairly close to the actual view by the voting public of the candidates. The only time anyone can actually test the accuracy of the poll estimates is when all the votes are counted after election day.

Lots of people don't believe in the accuracy of the popular polls. If you are a political candidate, though, disregard them at your own risk, as their track record in the aggregate, although not perfect, is much, much more accurate than most people recognize.

Most people say "I've never been polled" and that's why they don't trust the polls. A lot of research goes into how to do proper polling, though, and a small sample, properly designed and executed, CAN give accurate results within some margin of error.

And for your information, I've been polled several times. But only when there was a close race, resulting in a lot of polling being done in the state or Congressional District.

Mike; August 24, 2008 1:39 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike IN Maryland

I have friends all over the united states so yes I do take them into consideration. I haven't talked to everyone yet. So I was basing my opinion on the ones that I talked to. That's why it's my opinion and not yours.; August 24, 2008 1:40 AM
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Aunt Jean said...: Mike IN Maryland

I didn't select I was at a party. You are so full of yourself. Do you sit in front of a mirror to tell yourself how good you are. AJ; August 24, 2008 1:44 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: And now we just might know the truth about why Hillary was not fully vetted --->

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080824/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_veep_tick_tock

Excerpt:

Hillary Rodham Clinton, who ran so closely to Obama in the primary, was never seriously considered, said two officials involved with the search. She asked not to be vetted unless she was going to be picked, the two officials said, speaking on a condition of anonymity to describe the private discussions.

.; August 24, 2008 1:45 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike IN Maryland

I've been voting for 37 years. I've never been polled. AJ; August 24, 2008 1:47 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

once again she didn't have to be vetted like the other ones.{ no offence meant] AJ; August 24, 2008 1:49 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Leah,

In my opinion, Palin would be a good choice for McCain, in terms of helping the Obama campaign.

Palin is facing an ethics problem in Alaska right now - the firing of a police official under suspicious circumstances.

Hutchinson would make Texas a super-safe state for McCain, but would probably have a detrimental effect on McCain's chances in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and probably Florida. McCain has no path to victory unless he keeps Florida and Ohio red, and a very narrow path without winning Michigan and/or Pennsylvania. Anything endangering a McCain victory in any of those four states means more time and money he has to spend electioneering in those states, and less time and money in other states, like Colorado, Nevada, Virginia, North Carolina, Indiana, or any other state that is now purple or blue, when it was a 'red state' four years ago.

So yes, he should put Palin or Kay Bailey on the ticket! It would make an Obama victory much easier!!

Mike; August 24, 2008 1:51 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This article is really a good one (the same one I posted up above):

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080824/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_veep_tick_tock

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After reading it I am very happy that Senator Biden was picked and that his hopes weren't beaten down this time :)

You could tell that he really was very happy today to be with Obama in Springfield.; August 24, 2008 1:52 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Aunt Jean said...
Do you sit in front of a mirror to tell yourself how good you are.

No (if that actually was a question), I do not.

But I wouldn't be at all surprised if you do.

Mike; August 24, 2008 1:54 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

I have one problem with the link you sent,its this word. [anonymity] It's real easy for them to spit out trash with them saying that they want to be that. AJ; August 24, 2008 1:58 AM
apissedant said...: The average attorney doesn't actually make that much.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Attorney_%2f_Lawyer/Salary

Only the really good ones actually make a lot of money.

169,000 a year is still about 3 times the average HOUSEHOLD income in this nation, and about 4 times the average individual income.

Until recently, the President only made 200,000 a year (now 400,000). The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court makes about 212,000. That is pretty good money, and the pension isn't too bad either.

I don't know about anyone else here, but apparently he is only worth about 1 year of his income. I'm only 26, and I'm worth nearly as much as Biden is according to the report posted earlier. I've never made anywhere near that income either. He may donate money, or something else, but that is plenty of money to become rich on. Most of the wealthy people make the majority of their income on investments, not on their salary. Immigrants are a great example of this. The Greek that got shot a few years ago in the Abramoff scandal started as a dish washer, but he saved and invested his money until he owned a fleet of gambling boats worth hundreds of millions.; August 24, 2008 2:02 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike IN Maryland

I know I don't sit in front of a mirror but with you I'm sorry that you can't admit that you do.It's called denial I promise I won't hold it against you. LOL AJ; August 24, 2008 2:02 AM
Joshua said...: Aunt Jean,
According to the administrators of this site, this is not a pro-Clinton website. It isn’t even a pro-Obama website. It is a website by Democrats for Democrats to promote the Democratic agenda. At this time, the singular, pre-eminent agenda for Democrats is to elect Barack Obama the next president of the United States of America, and to increase their majority in the two Houses. Your constant blind, stubborn, uninformed, and uneducated harangue in defense of all things Clinton is very irritating and against the interests of Democrats.

From time to time, I may comment on a factual matter relating to the Clintons. If you don’t like any of my comments, just skip them and move on. If you choose to comment on them, make intelligent comments. Otherwise, I may have to come down on you. Kapish?; August 24, 2008 2:04 AM
Aunt Jean said...: AP and Beryl some of the links that has been posted on here in some of the stories says that he's conservative. I just don't think it to good thing but if you do that's fine. It wouldn't keep me from voting or not voting for Obama.Just because he's someone I don't know, like, or whatever. Only if he had picked Richardson then I would have sit at home and not voted. AJ; August 24, 2008 2:10 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike
to begin you don't own me. If you don't like what I type skip it. It's BS on what you say [NOT FACT] about Clinton.I've stepped on roaches with smaller mouth than yours.KAPISH!!!!!!! AJ; August 24, 2008 2:14 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: AJ-

There wasn't anything at all 'trashy' in that article.

I found it to be very insightful and down to earth.; August 24, 2008 2:14 AM
suzihussein22 said...: jean-My daughter was not the one to get any blisters today during her hike. Thanks again for the reminder. :); August 24, 2008 2:16 AM
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Aunt Jean said...: Leah

I'm sorry I don't think the article as a whole was trash. All I meant is there is people there that can abuse that word. Say what they want to within reason and it be not exactly a lie but not the whole truth. I don't dislike Biden.Obama could have done a lot worst than to get him. AJ; August 24, 2008 2:20 AM
suzihussein22 said...: lol-I'm still chuckling about the worditis today...Barack America and O'Biden on the Dem ticket. :D

I saw a Sportsmen for McCain sticker today. Couldn't that justify road rage? ;)

ONE HOUSE ONE SPOUSE

OBAMA/BIDEN '08; August 24, 2008 2:22 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Aunt Jean said...
I've been voting for 37 years. I've never been polled.

Aunt Jean,

37 years? That means your first vote was cast in a local election?

Local elections are almost NEVER polled. Usually only major metropolitan areas (jurisdictions approaching or more than 1 million in population), with a CLOSELY contested election, are polled.

People are polled in state and national elections more often than local elections, but again, almost exclusively when there is a close election.

Since you live in Texas, most elections there are NOT closely contested, and the likelihood of a poll being conducted is very, very slim.

As I stated, I have been polled, but only when there was a closely contested election. One time I was polled was when Congressman Kweisi Mfume resigned his seat to become head of the NAACP. The Democratic Primary had more than a dozen candidates and was closely contested. I was polled twice prior to that primary, but a lot of my neighbors also were polled. The last time I was polled was in 1996, for a Senate election that early on showed it might be contested. Once the polls were published, and they showed the election would NOT be close, there were no additional polls taken in the state that election cycle.

When you consider that a valid poll can involve as few as 500 people, what are the chances you will get one of those 500 phone calls when you live in a state with more than 20,000,000 population, and I live in a state with 5.5 million population? My chances of being polled are almost four times as many as yours, all other factors being equal. Add in that Maryland, as a general rule, has more contested elections than Texas, thus more polls are taken, and my chances of being polled increase again.

If you talk to people in New Hampshire or Iowa, many of them will tell you they get tired of being polled every four years. Why? Small state populations, and early in the primary schedule, thus lots and lots of polls.

As in real estate, the important factors are location, location, and location.

Mike; August 24, 2008 2:26 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I doubt very many people have read the Sportsmen section on Obama's website:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/additional/Obama_FactSheet_Western_Sportsmen.pdf

and I doubt McCain even has a section on his website ;); August 24, 2008 2:26 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: UH OH!!!

McCain Advisers Say Colin Powell Being Considered For VP Slot

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12753.html

.; August 24, 2008 2:29 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike In Maryland.

I've live in South Carolina for 2 yrs as an adult]and then I lived in Tenn.[as an adult] for 17 years. I was raised in TX. and have lived here for 34 years. AJ; August 24, 2008 2:35 AM
Beryl said...: "Biden wouldn't allow himself to believe he was in serious consideration because his hopes and expectations had been beaten down so much..."

I'm really, really happy for Biden. Unlike some folks who rarely lose elections (e.g. the Clintons), he has lost a number of times. My heart leaped when he ran up on that stage Saturday.

He is such a humble, honest, and faithful man. I so want this ticket to win and more so for his sake.; August 24, 2008 2:37 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Well everyone

My great nephew is coming home on leave. He just got back from Iraq but has to go back to Iraq in 6 months. Can't wait to see him tomorrow. AJ; August 24, 2008 2:38 AM
Aunt Jean said...: I'm off to bedwant to get up early. Goodnight everyone. AJ; August 24, 2008 2:40 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Leah Texas4Obama said...
McCain Advisers Say Colin Powell Being Considered For VP Slot

Now that is a loooooong shot for McLame(brain)'s VP selection. This report may only be to stop Powell from endorsing Obama, as many are reporting Powell is considering.

Besides, he has a heightened fear of being assassinated if he were to be the first AA as President or Vice President.

And after the way he was used by the Bush administration in pushing for the Iraq War (especially the misinformation he was given for the UN presentation), I don't think he would have the stomach to be the running mate with 'how about 100 more years' McLame(brain).

Mike; August 24, 2008 2:41 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Goodnight everyone.. my bed is calling me - I'm exhausted from all of the Obama/Biden stuff today :)

Sweet dreams to all.

Obama/O'Biden 'O8; August 24, 2008 2:41 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike in MD-

I doubt that Powell story is true.

Powell has said that he doesn't want to be VP or President and his WIFE has said that too.

Also, I don't think Powell would want to go up against Obama - Powell likes Obama ;)

Ciao ;); August 24, 2008 2:44 AM
Joshua said...: AJ
You are all hat and no cattle. You wanna step outside on step on me?; August 24, 2008 3:13 AM
Karen Anne said...: Well. I hope the Bidens can make some money. One of them should get together with a ghostwriter if necessary and write a book. $100,000 in net worth at their age is scary.

That's what comes from raising a bunch of kids and not taking graft.

If goggling is correct, Joe may be entitled to a pension of 80% or less of his salary. The salary is $169,300 (for both Senators and Representatives, I was surprised that Representatives got as much.)

And I assume the very nice Congressional health care plan continues into retirement, but I couldn't find that.

AJ, we self-select our friends. Most of mine voted for Hillary, and developed severe buyer's remorse over how she conducted her campaign, and became strong Obama supporters and are very happy about the Biden choice.

I think picking Colin Powell as McCain's VP would win him zero Democratic and few independent votes. It would have been different if he hadn't carried water of Bush with the Iraq lies. I find it a little hard to imagine Powell accepting the VP slot.

AJ, I'm not sure what you mean by 5 years between a man and a woman being a lot, as it applies to running for President. Usually when a woman and man are of equal ages in our society after a point the woman is considered an old bat and the guy is in the prime of his life.

So that would seem to work against Hillary, although of course she covers up her age well with the plastic surgery, which I am pretty sure we are not going to see Joe Biden indulging in.; August 24, 2008 7:48 AM
Beryl said...: 24 hours later I am even happier with the Biden VP selection.

The silliness of the "HRC wasn't vetted" won't go away due to McCain, the MSM, and (that scum) James Carville.

They are saying that he didn't ask her for her records but most of us know that she would never release key records (e.g. donor's list) anyway. This goes back to Geraldine Ferraro whose VP nomination hurt the ticket and embarrassed her when her husband's financial ties were revealed. Obama was respectful enough to not ask for them thereby avoiding any embarrassment.

The McCain campaign is so low with their negative ads playing to fringe HRC devotees about whom they really don't care.

If he had chosen HRC, McCain had a different set of attack ads

1. Many, MANY negative things she said against him.
2. Exploiting vetting information to embarrass her.
3. Bill - impeachment and other personal issues
4. A claim that she should be #1 instead of #2 thereby appealing to her devotees

There is almost NOTHING they can do with Biden because he is squeaky clean and didn't say much against Obama or any of the other nominees.

Biden was a PERFECT selection; August 24, 2008 10:42 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Karen Anne

show me one credible site that proves she's had plastic surgery. You won't because there's not one for the simple she hasn't had plastic surgery.

What I was talking about is woma live longer than men and most woman age better. Biden looks a lot over than Hillary yet there is only just shy of 5 yrs. between them.

Also I'm sorry but there is some Obama supporters on here that it wouldn't have mattered who he picked except Hillary that you would have said what a great pick.

I never said that I hated, disliked, or anything of that nature about Biden. All I said is he could have done better and the democrats that I spoke with said the same thing. also I said that he was kind of old and conservative.I don't think that constituent into saying I don't like him. I said he would do. Obama isn't my first pick either Hillary was. And by the way she still is [as president that is]

Saying that Hillary is more liberal is really funny considering that Obama and Hillary was the very arguement as to why I should vote for Obama. So are you saying that he's not even close to Hillary in his views THAT is quite funny. The problem is you want your cake and eat it too!!!! Plus a few others on here too.

As far as Hillary running a bad campaige well she did make mistake. More so because the media was so bias against. I know Obama supporters don't think that she did. I really don't care what you think they did. I know in a million years even if you knew that it was true you would never admit it. So don't bother denying it.

I'm not like you and a few others that keep putting you little digs in about how Hillary ran a bad campaign, she doesn't deserve help repaying her debts, she think she's intitled to the highest office. That is such BS. It gets so old you sound like a frigging broken record.

We are all democrats lets act like one and keep the childess out of it.Of course that inclues me.

One more thing and I will shut up. If a big Obama supporter said those things that I said about Biden nothing or at least not very much would have been said and please don't try and tell me that it's BS because I know that you know it's true. AJ; August 24, 2008 10:48 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Karen Anne

there is one more thing that I would like to say and then I will drop it. Everyone on here gave Hillary Hell about voting for the Iraq invasion well I hate to break it to you but so did BIDEN. AJ; August 24, 2008 10:51 AM
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Aunt Jean said...: Mike

about your post at 3:13 am.

That's ok I try to stay out of cow patties. LOL AJ; August 24, 2008 10:57 AM
Karen Anne said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 24, 2008 10:59 AM
Karen Anne said...: AJ,

"Saying that Hillary is more liberal".. than Biden - I never said that.

The difference about the war votes is Biden admitted his vote was a mistake. Hillary still has not done so. Her inability to admit mistakes was another of the reasons she made me nervous as a potential President.

As to plastic surgery, here are before and after photos of Hillary -
http://www.makemeheal.com/news/hillary-clinton-plastic-surgery/200
Work on her entire face and neck, it looks like.

and Chelsea
http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/archives/004880.html
It looks like Chelsea had work on her nose and teeth, as well as possibly on her eyelids and chin.; August 24, 2008 11:02 AM
Karen Anne said...: beryl,

Somewhere I saw that Clinton said she'd submit her records, but only if she were going to be chosen. Say what?

That's like someone applying for a job, and saying they'd take proficiency tests, but only if they were guaranteed the job, otherwise they didn't see why they had to put in the effort. I don't think so. (I actually had an applicant say something like that once.); August 24, 2008 11:08 AM
Beryl said...: AJ
I was avidly against the war from the beginning so the reaction of our candidates was a sore point for me.

You are right about Biden voting for that godless war. His reaction to his vote was different from that of HRC. Like Edwards, he firmly stated that his vote was WRONG.

HRC's style was like this:

* I wish I'd not voted that way but we need to look at the President who got us into this situation.

* I voted correctly based on what we knew at the time.

That particular leadership style didn't set well with me and was the first thing that started me looking at other candidates. I suspect that others felt the same way.

At the end of the day, like you said, they both voted for the war.; August 24, 2008 11:10 AM
jean said...: suzi,
Glad your daughter had a good time.
Much better memories without blisters.
Another hard lesson I learned is when you learn how to horseback ride always put a thin coat of vaseline on your inner thighs and behind under your jeans for the first month. Those blisters are worse LOL.
jean; August 24, 2008 11:17 AM
apissedant said...: AJ,
The "conservative" vs. "liberal" tag is more about how people perceive them than how they actually vote. McCain was considered a "liberal" or "moderate" Senator for years, despite the fact that his voting record was of a staunch conservative.

Biden has much the same record. Many conservative voters have the perception that he is more conservative than he actually is. If you follow the one link I provided, he has voted with the Democrats on almost every major issue. One of the only exceptions was the Iraq War Authorization bill. As mentioned previously, he has admitted that was a mistake. He admitted it was a mistake not too long after the vote either.; August 24, 2008 11:19 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Karen Anne

about the liberal I was wrong on that.

About the plastic surgery that is BS PROVE she and Chelsea had it. Now do you really think they could cover that up [how foolish]. People do change with age. Better make up, clothes,hairdresser, and etc. Some of you people live in a dream world where if you can't find something you will make it up.

Also I guess you and several more people on here didn't listen to Hillarys debate speech. SHE SAID THAT IT WAS A MISTAKE ABOUT IRAQ..... Is that loud enough that you heard it CLEAN OUT YOUR EARS.OR TURN YOUR HEARING AIDS UP. AJ; August 24, 2008 11:22 AM
Beryl said...: Karen Anne,
We were responding similarly on the same subject! Funny!

On vetting

"Somewhere I saw that Clinton said she'd submit her records, but only if she were going to be chosen. Say what?"

Yes, that is disconcerting. I suspect what you read is true because we know that the Clintons were unwilling to release a donor list. HRC must remember what happened to Geraldine when she was selected for VP and was preparing for it. If she let all records out, she wanted to KNOW that she would be the VP.

(It is sad when husbands mess up their wives' chances to succeed. I HOPE Cindy does John the same favor!)

All of Obama's decisions must be fair and ethical. If Obama had made that kind of deal, I would question his judgment and value system. Judgment is his strongest attribute so he cannot risk compromising that.

Also, the Repugs would jump all over him if he had agreed to it. He'd be accused of preferential treatment and they'd make a case that his administration would be marred with "cronyism" and favoritism.

He was wise not to request her records under those circumstances, if what you read is true. Instead, he showed her the respect by not asking for those records.

James Carville knows what went down and instead of unifying the party, he is saying that HRC wasn't vetted. Shame on him!; August 24, 2008 11:30 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: pretty sure that the McCain-Colin Powell thing is total baseless rumor. Powell supports Obama, and I'm pretty sure he is finished with Washington.

McCain & Co are just trying to stir up excitement for their candidate. Good luck with that!! I was talking to my dad yesterday, and we both agree that Romney is pretty bland.

By picking Biden, Obama becomes more palatable to those who are closer to the middle than he is.

McCain can either pick someone who appeals to the base (is more conservative than he is), or someone closer to the middle (it would have to be a Democrat, almost).

I really don't think that McCain has a good option waiting in the wings. Lieberman? naaaaah it would piss off the lifelong Republicans. They don't trust Lieberman, is my guess.

The governor of Louisiana? maybe - it gives McCain balance with youth and adds the ethnic element, and that guy is also an attack dog. But I don't think McCain needs an attack dog, he pretty much has that one covered. Unless he wants to soften up his (McCains) own personal message and leave the attacking to his VP candidate.

Romney? as exciting as oatmeal.

Huckabee? that would rile up a lot of traditional republicans, although he is an awfully charismatic guy.; August 24, 2008 11:35 AM
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Aunt Jean said...: Beryl

she said that she voted for it based on the misinformation that was given.But like you said they both voted for it. AJ; August 24, 2008 11:38 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: btw, it has been pointed out on other sites as well as here:

The REPUBLICANS are actively stirring up trouble, by bringing up issues that tend to divide the party. As someone (D.S., this is attributed to you!) said on the Obama website, I would rather have an honest, hardworking individual in the White House, than the three-headed monster that currently resides there. And McCain is the continuation of that monster.

Friends don't let friends vote Republican!!; August 24, 2008 11:41 AM
Beryl said...: AJ,
You are right, she did admit the vote was a mistake. It just took a longer time for her. Again, it is a style thing. That particular leadership style doesn't set well with some people (like me).

I don't want to revisit the primaries but I also don't want the perception that I didn't hear HRC during the debates. I listened to her intently and decided based on her own words and deeds.; August 24, 2008 11:42 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Vicki

By picking Biden, Obama becomes more palatable to those who are closer to the middle than he is.

Now someone that I can understand the reasoning behind the pick. Thank you Vicki.Now I think Obama picked him because that could be possible. AJ; August 24, 2008 11:43 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: AJ, and it forces McCain to decide: appeal to his base, or appeal more to the middle? and McCain is surprisingly close to the middle. And a lot of Republicans don't trust McCain, surprisingly enough - he is viewed as too much of a maverick. Republicans like to have someone who toes the party line pretty consistently. And he doesn't do that. My guess is that he HAS to appeal to the base by picking someone really conservative: thus potentially alienating those middle of the road voters that he also desperately needs.

interesting. it's like chess. Obama made his move, and in all the hoopla of the convention, let's not lose our laser-like focus on what McCain's next move is.; August 24, 2008 11:48 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Beryl

I guess what gets me the most is everybdy is taking this crap as fact ["Somewhere I saw that Clinton said she'd submit her records, but only if she were going to be chosen. Say what?"

It came from someone that wasn't even willling to admit who they were so is it true or false. I guess we will never know.. It just gets me because everyone is so willing to believe everything someone says about Hillary if it's neg. in anyway. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT!!!!!!!!!!!! AJ; August 24, 2008 11:49 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: AJ, just assume that that sort of info comes from Republicans trying to stir up stuff. Because nine times out of ten, it IS.; August 24, 2008 11:52 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Beryl

at that debate personal I thought she did a wonderful job!But like you I really don't want to visit it. AJ; August 24, 2008 11:52 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Vicki

I'm with you on that. AJ; August 24, 2008 11:53 AM
apissedant said...: Hahaha... MSNBC is stating that a VP can do more harm than good. I swear they're reading my posts.; August 24, 2008 11:55 AM
Beryl said...: What I'd like to see HRC do is sit down like she did in NH and shed some tears.

She should state how she cares about the country and doesn't want to see our sons and daughters killed in other senseless and deceptive wars. She needs to express her concerns that women will die because of illegal abortions once Roe vs Wade is overturned.

If she really did care back in NH, she should still care.; August 24, 2008 11:55 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: pissed, they ARE. trust me on this. ix-nay on the ighting-fay. SOMEONE is reading this stuff. I've seen stuff said here too many times, then turn up in the MSM later on. Also, I see "the website Demconwatch" referenced in the WSJ and other sources.

they DO read this stuff.

I'm willing to bet that my "chess" analogy turns up in the MSM within 48 hours. MSM! PAY UP!! I'm patenting that term!!

;-); August 24, 2008 11:57 AM
apissedant said...: vicki,
LOL!! Seriously, where are our royalty checks?; August 24, 2008 11:59 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: why pay for journalists, when you can get it here for free?

(openly paraphrasing the cow/milk saying); August 24, 2008 12:01 PM
jean said...: Hey,
I want a royalty check to.
They took my X-mas analogy LOL.
jean; August 24, 2008 12:02 PM
Beryl said...: Vicki
I agree that everyone is data mining on the internet. That is why I'm guarded on what I put out.

I just heard that Obama has a 20 point lead with women! That is terrific news.; August 24, 2008 12:02 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Vicki and AP you both on probable right. Let me get this straight. Obamas pick is ten times better than McLame could ever get.

Vicki she does care and no one can make me believe otherwise.

Guess what I have a flat so I've got to go get it fixed. Talk to you guys later. AJ; August 24, 2008 12:02 PM
Beryl said...: Not sure if I'm going to the convention at all but thinking about hosting a smaller group at home each evening. What are the best (easy to make but tasty) snacks for the occasion?

I can alway order pizza and breadsticks. LOL!; August 24, 2008 12:22 PM
Beryl said...: I can always order pizza and breadsticks. That settles it for Monday.

Tuesday - Chinese
Wednesday - Subway
Thursday - ????; August 24, 2008 12:25 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: snacks! now you are talking my language!

jalepeno poppers are easy, but wear rubber gloves to make them: just halve the jalepenos, scoop out the seeds (that's where the HOT lives), fill them with cream cheese, and wrap with bacon/secure w/ toothpick. you can make a pile of them in advance, and then grill them.

I first had these out in the rockies, and we tried baking them, but the whole altitude/baking problem made them take forever! so I suggest grilling them, on LOW, for maybe about 10-20 minutes. Mine get a little charred at 20, so check them frequently starting at around 10 minutes.

there are some great recipe sites out there, these came from the pioneer woman site, I think.; August 24, 2008 12:29 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: http://thepioneerwoman.com/cooking/

dang, those cheese muffins look DEEVINE. I hate looking at this website. I always wind up gaining weight!! LOL!; August 24, 2008 12:32 PM
jean said...: beryl,
chicken kabobs are easy.
Make sure the meat is no larger than 1 inch and marinade them in italian dressing.
Takes 20 minutes on the grill.
Add veggies to look pretty;)
You can do these days before.
jean; August 24, 2008 12:33 PM
jean said...: beryl,
I learned from experience LOL.
Rinsing your hands with rubbing alcohol afterwards will take care of any areas that you did touch with the jalepenos without gloves.
Thank you ap!
jean; August 24, 2008 12:35 PM
Beryl said...: Great ideas!

(Gosh, I wished I cooked!); August 24, 2008 12:37 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: I love cooking. I love hostessing! but there is a "do" on Thursday up the hill from me that I was going to go to. I might make those cheese muffins to take!

btw, you can always ask other people to bring stuff, too.

(I work Wed night, ppppfth); August 24, 2008 12:43 PM
jean said...: For those who do not cook.
2 can of arichoke hearts cut up.
1 cup of mayo.
3/4 cup of shredded parmesian.
Mix in bowl.
Put in casserole dish,it will cover 1 inch deep.
Bake for 20 to 30 minutes and serve with triscuits.
They think you really did something;); August 24, 2008 12:49 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: When you are 60 years old you don't lose your wrinkles by taking nap!

I understand that the Hillary supporters support her in all things but come on, this is ridiculous! Of course she has had a face lift and botox too! Women's faces don't drop 10-15 years of wear by magic.

As far as her not handing over her medical records, Clinton Library donor list, etc. unless she had an iron clad agreement for the VP slot - that is very believable. Besides I still think she was not able to work out a deal with Obama from the start and there is also the Clinton lawsuit that coming up for trial in October - too much that the Republicans could have used against the Obama ticket.

WHY is everyone still talking about the Clintons? Hillary is OUT of the race.

OBAMA/BIDEN '08; August 24, 2008 1:02 PM
Karen Anne said...: beryl,

veggies with dips. (celery sticks, radishes, "baby" carrots, etc.) You can just buy dips and even prepared veggies for this.

small cookies (why do most places make only giant cookies) from the bakery.; August 24, 2008 1:13 PM
suzihussein22 said...: beryl-Doesn't Quizno's also got a deal going on in your area? I hear they're usually better than Subway. I've seen for myself Subway is pretty skimpy on their portions.

snacks-stuffed mushrooms
capped mushrooms
crumbled cooked bacon(turkey)
cream cheese(at least 16oz.)

preheat oven to 350
mix cream cheese and bacon together
fill centers of mushrooms
bake about 15 min.
*this is not a high altitude recipe

bake at; August 24, 2008 1:14 PM
Karen Anne said...: Actually, I'm a little envious of Clinton's "work." I am too chicken to ever have an optional procedure, but she really found someone who did a good job.; August 24, 2008 1:14 PM
jean said...: leah,
I am not putting fuel to the fire.
We need their votes,HRC supporters, to win.
Hopefully during the Dem convention this can be done.
At least I feel this is not a slam dunk.
jean; August 24, 2008 1:15 PM
jean said...: suzi,
Looks good.
I also forgot to add that a small can of diced green chiles, mild, adds a little kick to what I posted.
jean; August 24, 2008 1:17 PM
suzihussein22 said...: beryl-I don't know how the bake at got to the bottom of my post...or...

raw asparagus(rinsed)
cream cheese
deli meat slices

just spread cream cheese on the top of asparagus

wrap strips of any kind of deli meat around them

cut into servings and spear them with toothpicks

yummy and healthy and no cooking; August 24, 2008 1:19 PM
Beryl said...: "WHY is everyone still talking about the Clintons? Hillary is OUT of the race."

Because the MSM, McCain, and Carville are talking about them.

MSM - they need to keep conflict going to increase ratings. They are giving McCain free ad time under the guise of a newsworthy story.

McCain ads - McCain doesn't give a flying fig newton about HRC. His "poor Hillary" ads effectively incite her most avid supporters. I only wish her sincere supporters (not the crazies and the racists) would recognize that they are being duped. They need to think about the horrible ads the Repugs would have used to humiliate and defeat her if she was the nominee or the VP. Once again, McCain does NOT care about HRC or her supporters!

Carville - He is a bitter old toad who is doing NOTHING to help the Democratic Party. He needs to get back on his lily pond. Rrribbet!!; August 24, 2008 1:22 PM
jean said...: beryl,
Absolutely no doubt.
The question is how the Obama campaign is going to handle damage control and how HRC is going to handle it.
They need to work together soon.
jean; August 24, 2008 1:29 PM
Independent Voter said...: Beryl,

I have 4 appetizers that I usually provide at my parties (and usually take one or two to parties I attend.)

------Stuffed cherry tomatoes
1. Cut of the rounded part of the cherry tomato so that the base (where the stem is attached) will hold the tomato upright, and then gut out the centers (with our pinky).
2. Finely chopped up crab meat (with a food processor - you can use imitation crab meat) mix in ranch dressing and black pepper
3. Stuff the cherry tomatoes.

-----Mushroom caps
1. De-stem mushrooms
2. Stuff with stove top stuffing (made with chicken broth and not water)
3. Sprinkle Parmesan chese on top
4. Bake at 350 for about 5-10 minutes (as to not overcook the mushrooms)

-----Broccoli Cheese puffs (YUM - if you don't mind deep fried foods)
1. melt cheddar and pepperjack cheese in sauce pan.
2. add in broccoli (I usually use frozen)
3. dip in egg, then flour, back in egg, and then in bread crumbs (this skin keeps the cheese from coming out of the concoction).
4. deep fry until golden brown
-----this one is my favorite but is very time consuming.

They are all time consuming BUT always party favorites (most people like them even more than chips and the 7 layer dip)

But in case you would like to do corn chips and the 7 layer dip
1. Refried beans
2. Guacamole
3. Sour cream
4. Cheddar cheese
5. Chopped Green onions
6. Chopped tomatoes
7. Chopped Black olives; August 24, 2008 1:32 PM
Beryl said...: Jean here is what I suggest for both. I think Obama is doing everything possible without appearing weak.

Obama
Praise HRC every opportunity - Check

Have a roll call at the convention - Check

Schedule 2 separate nights at the convention featuring the Clintons - Check

Pick a VP who is congruent with HRC positions - Check

Encourage the VP to praise HRC at every opportunity

Clintons
Endorse Obama - Check for HRC only

Endorse his VP choice - Check for HRC only

Stump for the ticket every day - Check for HRC only

Before the roll call - both switch their OWN delegate votes for Obama and passionately ask all of HRC supporters to do the same.

Passionately speak to the country this week in support of Obama/Biden

------------
Today on CNN, one of the HRC spokespersons (I forgot that guy's name) put the "help HRC retire her debt" issue to bed today (Thank God!). He said that they are not looking for Obama supporters to think about that any more. Yay!!; August 24, 2008 1:55 PM
suzihussein22 said...: iv dave-I'm going to keep your broccoli recipe in mind and just sub for the pepper cheese. I'm a wimp! :); August 24, 2008 1:58 PM
Independent Voter said...: suzi, that's the reason for mixing the two cheeses, this way you just get a little zip to spice it up a little bit without being overwhelming. If you just use cheddar it is a little bland. :); August 24, 2008 2:00 PM
suzihussein22 said...: HRC has been saying for a while that she is not considering her personal contributions as a loan, so that's been a moot point anyway. check :); August 24, 2008 2:01 PM
suzihussein22 said...: iv dave-Bland is my middle name. I've almost got an ulcer. I'll use some other cheese in addition to the cheddar and add a bit of garlic. No worries!; August 24, 2008 2:03 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL suzi! Garlic would be a nice added touch. I haven't thought about that. I'll have to try it next time. ;); August 24, 2008 2:06 PM
jean said...: leah,
I agree with what you posted.
I also think that Obama should be very specific in her place for his goverment.
She is good and will be very helpful.
Somehow HRC needs to be specific also without pissing off her supporters. I honestly thinks she is the key and yes she can totally blow it.
The only word I can think of right now is to make sure no "disrespect"
is shown by Obama or HRC.
I do not think HRC has shown disrespect but some of her supporters have.
Obama has not but the media is having a field day.
The #1 person on the line is HRC right now and yes Bill.
Everyone is way ready to throw stones and many refuse to acknowledge the complexity of this.
jean; August 24, 2008 2:08 PM
jean said...: Indy,
Really like the Broc appetizers and yes I have a Deep Fryer (Love it, use Canola Oil so it is not That Bad;)
For some reason I think you have a whole lot more recipes.
jean; August 24, 2008 2:12 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Hillary should say at the convention to her supporters something like "John McCain is trying to dupe my supporters and use them to defeat Senator Obama's and my agenda for a better America - and it is not going to work. The Republicans don't care about my supporters or their issues that affect everyday American's lives - Shame on YOU John McCain - blah blah blah...

Betcha all this hoopla that McCain is doing with the anti-Obama Hillary ad is going to bite McCain in the butt!

Obama/O'Biden 'O8; August 24, 2008 2:22 PM
Independent Voter said...: jean, LOL, ya I do, but those are all the favorites (and yes, Bill helps out too - we have a true 50/50 partnership).

I used to help my step-mother in her catering business as a teenager (before I came out of the closet).; August 24, 2008 2:24 PM
Independent Voter said...: leah, that would be awesome!

She should say something to the effect that Congress and the American people were duped by the Bush administration in order to garner support for the Iraq war, and now McCain is trying to do the same thing with her supporters.; August 24, 2008 2:26 PM
Karen Anne said...: The seven layer dip is great. Heavy on the guacamole and sour cream.; August 24, 2008 2:32 PM
Karen Anne said...: iv,

What does catering have to do with being in or out of the closet? (Feel free to say none of my business :-); August 24, 2008 2:33 PM
Independent Voter said...: Karen Anne - Since I came out of the closet I have almost zero contact with my father and step-mother. I speak to some of my step-siblings but that is about it.; August 24, 2008 2:36 PM
jean said...: indy,
Truely asking a favor.
I cook with a lot of chix breast.
I am getting bored and so is the family.
Suggestions, willing to take time.
Chix Parm.
Tortilla Soup
Caesar Salad
Chix Gumbo
Grilled Chix Breast
Chix kabobs
That is what I have.
I know i am asking a lot.
jean; August 24, 2008 2:45 PM
Independent Voter said...: Jean, do you mind fattening? And I mean VERY fattening.; August 24, 2008 2:53 PM
jean said...: indy,
I have two teenagers who need to gain 10lbs for one and 30lbs for the other for sports. There BMI is negative and I swear I cook full meals everyday.
PLEASE!; August 24, 2008 2:57 PM
apissedant said...: I don't think you can get a negative BMI.; August 24, 2008 3:07 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I was listening to some nut woman this morning on FoxNews ranting about how much air time Obama got on MSNBC yesterday prior to, during, and after the Obama-Biden rally. She was very upset and said that the media is covering Obama too much! LOL :)

It has really gotten ridiculous with all the STUPID things that have been said in this election like: Obama is looking too presidential, Obama's speeches are too good, Obama has too many supporters, Obama is too inspiring, Obama is too intelligent, Obama is getting too much press, etc. etc....

People are insane if they can't see that Obama IS the right choice to be our next president!

Obama/O'Biden 'O8; August 24, 2008 3:16 PM
suzihussein22 said...: jean-Maybe you could add more carbs that are high in fiber? Sweet potatoes in your gumbo? Make croutons with whole wheat bread and season with a salt-free seasoning? Bananas is one of the higher calorie fruits as a snack between those nummy meals. Brown rice with your chix breast?; August 24, 2008 3:17 PM
Independent Voter said...: Ok Jean, it's actually quite simple. Make a casserole consisting of chicken breasts (cut into thin strips - kind of annoying to do, but it works best).
Fry up the chicken in a skillet so that you make sure it is cooked. Add in red and green peppers, black olives, if you want, or what else you want in there. I also like to add garlic salt just to add flavor. But you can add in whatever you want.

Use layering - like you would lasagna.

Layer 1. Uncooked Corn tortillas (cut into squares so they fit in the casserole dish.
Layer 2. Chicken concoction.
Layer 3. NACHO cheese so it isn't bland (I usually get a huge can from smart and final so I can make two casserole dishes of it at the same time.)

And then repeat the layering until you are at the top of the casserole dish (usually 2-3 layers). You can use the "cut off" edges of the corn tortillas to fill in the holes toward the top of the casserole.

Make sure your very last layer is nacho and then bake at 350 for about 30 minutes (the nacho cheese will develop a slightly "browned" top so).

KIDS LOVE IT (especially if they like nachos)! And; August 24, 2008 3:17 PM
Karen Anne said...: Jean,

ice cream is really fattening.

iv, I'm sorry...; August 24, 2008 3:21 PM
Independent Voter said...: Karen Anne - it's all good. I'm totally ok with it. I have my family now. ;); August 24, 2008 3:22 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Biden’s Memoir Suddenly a Best Seller

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/24/bidens-memoir-suddenly-a-best-seller/

.; August 24, 2008 3:27 PM
Independent Voter said...: Here is a video sent from the Obama/Biden in an email.; August 24, 2008 3:28 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This poll ended Friday - before the big event yesterday!

National
ABC News/Wash Post

Obama 48
McCain 42
Nader 3
Barr 3

Obama +6

OBAMA/BIDEN '08; August 24, 2008 3:31 PM
jean said...: ap,
I was being sarcastic.
One is 5'9" 121lbs and the other is 6'2" 139lbs and they have 2 double cheeseburgers as snacks in beween meals.
Let us just say the husband and i are doing fine.
jean; August 24, 2008 3:46 PM
Independent Voter said...: Did anyone watch Meet the Press this morning?

Did Nancy Pelosi not look like her face was wound a little tight this morning?; August 24, 2008 3:48 PM
apissedant said...: I hate this woman. I'm done with MSNBC for the day. These terrible interviews are starting to piss me off. Time to watch movies.; August 24, 2008 3:49 PM
apissedant said...: Jean,
The BMI is a terrible indicator.

Read this article:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/fashion/main.jhtml?xml=/fashion/2007/07/22/st_diet22.xml&page=1

I would put them on a high protein and high carb diet and send them to the gym. Don't increase the fat or the sugar content of their diet. That's how they end up 100 pounds overweight as soon as they get out of college and stop playing sports.; August 24, 2008 3:51 PM
Independent Voter said...: ROFLMAO - McCain uses his POW "experience" to defend houses. LMAO!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/24/mccain-himself-uses-pow-e_n_120927.html; August 24, 2008 3:52 PM
jean said...: suzi,
Part of the reason why I am so popular is because the kids know I always have food and am still cooking 24/7
We only have whole grains in the house and go thru 8-10lbs of bannanas a week.
We also go thru 2 large tubs of ice cream a week(gave up on the good stuff, to expensive).
Thanks Indy,
Going to Costco, nothing new,
and that is what we are having for dinner, two casserole dishes;)
My food bill sucks.
jean; August 24, 2008 3:54 PM
suzihussein22 said...: leah-What if were to guess that Obama/Biden gets 51.5% of the popular vote?; August 24, 2008 3:57 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - the woman on MSNBC is GONE! Hardball is coming on now.; August 24, 2008 3:57 PM
Independent Voter said...: jean - sounds good. But UGH! I'm sure the food bill sucks! I remember my years as a teenager (shut up p'd ant) and I remember the hell my mother went through having to provide food for us (at least until I turned 16 - when I got a job and pitched in).; August 24, 2008 3:59 PM
apissedant said...: LOL Dave!!!

You're behind!!!

We already discussed him using that to defend the houses and to defend not being in the cone of silence last week. You have been neglecting your blogging duties buddy!

Maybe if you spent a little less time in the kitchen. In my house we know that's woman's work.

VBG

JUST KIDDING! Don't kill me ladies!; August 24, 2008 4:00 PM
suzihussein22 said...: jean-gotcha :); August 24, 2008 4:00 PM
Independent Voter said...: Oh, come on suzi! Be a little more optimistic than that! Why not go with 100%.....LMAO; August 24, 2008 4:00 PM
Beryl said...: Lol @ apis!

I was thinking the same thing. I already turned to HGTV (Divine Design).

In a couple of hours I'm going to a local gathering hosted by Ed Shultz (radio guy).; August 24, 2008 4:00 PM
jean said...: ap,
I'm with ya.
The cheeseburgers are around the square meals and int the summer and with school starting there is now no time.
That is also why I like the chix breast and not red meat.
Though they do like that steak.
Doctor said the son could be 6'11 and the daughter should be done.
They burn between 6000-8000 a day with training and growing and developing. One because of basketball and the other baseball and growing.
I will be poor from food bills for a long time.
But they are a lot of fun;)
jean; August 24, 2008 4:01 PM
Beryl said...: Hardball - Thanks for the tip!

I love Chris' comment on the Repug's "crocodile tears" ad. That was great!; August 24, 2008 4:03 PM
Independent Voter said...: ROFLMAO p'd ant! Oh trust me - Bill doesn't get away with not helping!

As far as the McCain thing - prior to today it was his campaign that was using his POW status to defend his houses remark, but today it was HIM directly using it.

By the way - the reason I wasn't on last night was because we went out and picked out the new furniture for the bedroom (by the way he LOVED that I had everything done before he got home on Wednesday). It will be delivered tomorrow. And then we went out for dinner and drinks (we didn't go out on Friday....he was tired.); August 24, 2008 4:04 PM
jean said...: Indy,
the husband is kind of a natural food guy.
Making home made cheese sauce would work?
jean; August 24, 2008 4:05 PM
apissedant said...: jean,
Not that he's the best example in the world, but Michael Vick had problems with being too skinny when he started high school sports. His coach put him on a very intensive training program involving a lot of weight lifting and leg workouts. He filled out very well and became a great athlete... though remained a terrible human being.

If he is already over six foot, he should be able to start filling out by now. I always assumed I was going to be scrawny my whole life, and I started working out a few times a week in high school and gained 10 pounds in a month. No change in my diet at all.; August 24, 2008 4:05 PM
Independent Voter said...: No problem beryl.; August 24, 2008 4:05 PM
suzihussein22 said...: peevish-Somebody at work just used that phrase. He got to be reminded of taking out trash and mopping...; August 24, 2008 4:06 PM
apissedant said...: Dave,
I'm just glad you showed enough class not to comment on me using the word "behind" with you. ;); August 24, 2008 4:06 PM
Independent Voter said...: Jean, of course. You can make it however you want, but remember the corn tortillas may not come out the same way. If you know of a way to make it similar to that of nacho cheese I'm sure it would work good. (I would definitely throw in some pepperjack though); August 24, 2008 4:08 PM
Independent Voter said...: WOW! Did they not just say O-49% JM-43%; August 24, 2008 4:09 PM
Beryl said...: Hardball is great. They brought out HRC's rebuttal on the ad too. That MSNBC woman earlier could have made all of these points even without HRC's rebuttal. Heck, we made that point on this blog!

This convention coverage is getting me jazzed. I just might use my credentials and see Obama on Thursday!

Forget about work next week -- I might just camp out downtown.; August 24, 2008 4:09 PM
apissedant said...: lol soft,
My wife likes to mow the lawn, I don't fight her on it. I like cooking, but the wife fights me on that... my wife just wants to do everything apparently. I'm naturally lazy, she'll have to learn to not volunteer for work and kick me in the butt or she'll go crazy. =)

I do most of my "work" from my bed or from my desk, that whole "moving" thing never sat well with me. Makes me sweat.; August 24, 2008 4:09 PM
jean said...: ap,
We have been doing that for 3 months and doc said 8 inches in 1 year again. He was only 5'6" at the beginning of last year.
Doc said we are kinda screwed but it will even out.
Husband played football in college and was 6'5" at 165lbs, sophmore.
Yes he was a reciever.
Just trying to work with the gene pool LOL.
jean; August 24, 2008 4:12 PM
Independent Voter said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 24, 2008 4:12 PM
Independent Voter said...: ROFLMAO jean! I'm going to delete my last comment to p'd ant! Those two comments (mine and yours about your husband being a "receiver", just don't go well together.); August 24, 2008 4:14 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Open Thread EV Contest

JayW - 269
Beryl - 280
Hippolytus - 289
Dilbuck - 290
softspoken22 - 298
Emma - 300 (1)
Aunt Jean - 300 (2)
SarahLawrenceScott - 303
Richard - 304
jean - 311
Mike in Maryland - 312
tmess2 - 315
RobH - 317 (1)
apissedant - 317 (2) — (O-68m/M-60m)*8
Oregon Dem - 332
Leah - 345 — (O-69m/M-50m)*19
Woodland Sprite - 360
Emit R Detsaw - 429
Independent voter - 538
suzi - (51.5% pop. vote)

Everyone can add an Obama pop.vote number and McCain pop.vote number rounded off to the nearest million - the last number (*) is the margin. Or just a pop.vote or margin # if you wish to do so.
___________________________
2004 General Election Popular vote
Bush 62,040,610
Kerry 59,028,444; August 24, 2008 4:14 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: God - I can't stand it!
They have been talking about HRC all day already. I hope they aren't going to do this the whole four days of the convention!

O and Joe '08; August 24, 2008 4:16 PM
apissedant said...: Darn it Dave!
LOL! I missed your comment!; August 24, 2008 4:16 PM
Beryl said...: I love this O'Bama reference since Biden was selected. It is funny. Their comparison with JFK was also mentioned by a German diplomat on CNN this AM. He said that Obama tilted his head like JFK when he spoke.

A French diplomat was also on the show and he talked about how much all of Europe is in love with Obama.; August 24, 2008 4:17 PM
Independent Voter said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 24, 2008 4:18 PM
apissedant said...: LOL DAVE!!!!!!

HAHA!

How'd you guess!?!?; August 24, 2008 4:20 PM
Independent Voter said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 24, 2008 4:20 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL p'd ant - Now you know why I said that the two comments didn't go together too well.; August 24, 2008 4:21 PM
jean said...: Indy,Ap
Baaaaad, Very Baaaaddddddddd.
Going to Costco.
Have Fun!
jean; August 24, 2008 4:22 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL jean - that's why I deleted it! Have fun at Costco; August 24, 2008 4:28 PM
suzihussein22 said...: peevish and iv dave-Baad llamas! ;)

Break a sweat, eh?-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3SlHKFfZBM; August 24, 2008 4:30 PM
Independent Voter said...: ROFL Suzi! How funny.; August 24, 2008 4:34 PM
Independent Voter said...: That poor woman! Chris Matthews is just giving her hell by questioning her about why she is undecided.; August 24, 2008 4:36 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Beryl-

Obama has some Irish in him on his mother's side of the family. Around St.Patricks Day there were O'bama t-shirts and signs.

And then yesterday it was pretty funny yesterday when Chris Matthews yesterday several times said: O'Biden :)

But no one yesterday mentioned anything about them BOTH having Irish heritage - that I heard.; August 24, 2008 5:01 PM
Karen Anne said...: Now Rendell is whining -
http://thepage.time.com/2008/08/24/ladies-and-gentleman-the-coverage-of-barack-obama-was-embarrassing/

No word in the media giving McSame a free pass, though.

I am not as nice as Obama. I would do payback for this stuff. I wonder if they don't expect that?; August 24, 2008 5:12 PM
Independent Voter said...: When in the hell is Buchanan going to learn how to say Putin's last name? It's pronounce POOTIN! NOT PEWTIN!; August 24, 2008 5:12 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Watching Hardball right now...

I predict Pat Buchanan will have either a stroke or heart attack before the end of the convention if he keeps it up like he is today!; August 24, 2008 5:17 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Indy -

Hahaha... I heard him say Pewtin too :)

I really really dislike Pat Buchanan.

It's time for the pundits to stop talking about HRC because they are fueling the fire and people are going to start rioting there in Denver!; August 24, 2008 5:20 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: And they need to start saying 'The Obama Supporters' not 'the Obama fans! Grrr...

Every time someone says Obama fans it sounds like a McCain ad!

O and Joe 'O8; August 24, 2008 5:23 PM
suzihussein22 said...: I just saw how somebody called McCain His Royal McPOWness...on the Jed Report. lol; August 24, 2008 5:28 PM
Beryl said...: Rendell is embarrassing himself.

He slams MSNBC for bias for Obama but doesn't slam FOX for their anti-Obama coverage.

What about ABC's George Steph's questions coming directly for Hannity?

If Obama loses this election, history will not going to be kind to these people. Rendell is getting up in age. He doesn't have a lot of time to reset his legacy if he ruins it now.; August 24, 2008 5:34 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: They were talking earlier on MSNBC about 'if Obama loses this year, Clinton will want to run in 2012' .. but that is NOT going to work because she would need all of Obama's folks to win..... lot's of people out there that are delusional.

BREAKING NEWS...

MSNBC- Hillary will meet with her delegates Wednesday and will RELEASE THEM.; August 24, 2008 5:43 PM
Independent Voter said...: Leah, I agree with you 100%. If ANYONE thinks that come 2012 and Obama is not the president, and the Democratic Party has to go through this primary process again, there is no way that Obama's 18+ million primary voters would vote for HRC. I'm sorry to say it to AJ, but it is the truth. Obama's supporters do not have the short memory span that everyone says they believe.

It is MY firm opinion that HRC missed her opportunity in 2004. I was actually one of those who was trying to draft her for president at that time. I didn't like John Kerry, but had to settle for him in the general. I personally voted for Edwards in the primary (2004) despite Kerry being the presumptive nominee.; August 24, 2008 5:58 PM
Aunt Jean said...: This is for everyone

THERE IS NO PROOF THAT HILLARY OR CHELSEA HAS HAD PLASTIC SURGERY OR THAT SHE SAID THAT IF SHE WAS THE VP PICK THEN AND ONLY THEN CAN YOU SEE ALL MY RECORDS. IT'S SOMEONE ON THE RECORDS PART THAT WOULDN'T EVEN GIVE THEIR NAME. SO ARE THEY LIEING IT SEEMS TO ME IF YOU ARE TELLING THE TRUTH YOU WOULD TELL PEOPLE YOUR NAME.

AS FAR AS THE PLASTIC THAT IS ALL SPECTATION. YOU HAVE NO WHERE TO GO TO PROVE THAT SO THAT IS ALL IT IS. SHE COULD HAVE HAD BOTOX THAT IS NOT PLASTIC SURGERY. AJ; August 24, 2008 6:02 PM
Beryl said...: Releasing her delegates is the smart thing for HRC to do. That puts her back into the driver's seat. It also it is one of the best things she could do to ensure an Obama win now which enables her or her daughter to win the WH in the future.

2 scenarios if Obama doesn't win in 2008:

1. If she overturns this primary decision, she will still lose in 2008. The youth and minorities will not vote for her. She needs the minority vote because no Dem has gotten the majority of the white vote since LBJ. Back then, there was a larger percentage of whites in the country.

2. 2012: If Obama loses in 2008 and she runs in 2012 she loses because she will be blamed for the 2008 loss. The same demographics will not support her.

The best thing for her is to sincerely support Obama and get him into the WH. She can then run in 2012 and have a better chance of winning.; August 24, 2008 6:04 PM
Independent Voter said...: AJ, That was a little late. I didn't realize that part of the conversation was still taking place.; August 24, 2008 6:05 PM
Beryl said...: AJ

The Clintons had no plastic surgery. Neither Hillary nor her daughter wears makeup. They don't even dye their hair. They naturally look like that when they emerge from their shower.

Feel better? Good.

Sheesh! Why do you care if someone believes they had work done? It isn't that important.; August 24, 2008 6:08 PM
Independent Voter said...: Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden '08; August 24, 2008 6:08 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Beryl-

But in 2012 Obama will have been president for almost four years.

I can't see her being able to run against 'President Obama' - he will have presidential experience (and she will not).; August 24, 2008 6:11 PM
Independent Voter said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 24, 2008 6:12 PM
Beryl said...: Leah
You are right but she'll still have a better chance of winning if she was instrumental in getting him into the WH in 2008. She also could be VP.; August 24, 2008 6:12 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden '08

O and Joe 'O8

(posting extras because when some comments get deleted the top of the page will change); August 24, 2008 6:13 PM
Beryl said...: What is up with Cindy denying that she has siblings? When are we getting all of her tax returns? That woman has some real skeletons in her closet.

Geraldine Ferraro was done in by her husband's tax returns -- why aren't we applying the same standard to McFlipper?; August 24, 2008 6:18 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden Obama-Biden '08

O and Joe 'O8; August 24, 2008 6:18 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Beryl-

The way I hear it is that McPOW and Cindy signed an agreement before they married that her income/inheritance/property would not be his... so she is saying she doesn't have to show her documents.

I don't think the American people are going to go along with that!; August 24, 2008 6:21 PM
Karen Anne said...: Leah,

I don't see any signs that people are demanding Cindy's financial info, because the MSM is ignoring that stuff, except for an article here and there.

I think her Dad's gangster connection, without which apparently his business would not have succeeded, is amazing, but you hardly see that written about.; August 24, 2008 6:31 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Beryl
I will have to disagree Fox was propable the only network that did a half way unbias job but even they were bias against Hillary. I know that you and everyone else will disagree with me strongly but it's true. AJ; August 24, 2008 6:35 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Beryl

everytime you compare Obama to JFK I want scream they are nothing alike except they are both men. AJ; August 24, 2008 6:41 PM
Independent Voter said...: AJ, I have told you before, until the Iowa primary, ALL of the media was in the bag for Hillary. This includes Donna Brazile. They all but had her coronated her as the nominee until Obama won the Iowa caucus. Plain and simple. And then when she came back in NH (and won) they pretty much were equal between the media. They had people going back and forth from both campaigns. And then in February when Obama ran away in the caucus' and primaries, and Clinton started her kitchen sink strategy (much like McCain is using now) is when the MSM switched over to Obama.

After all, there IS a reason CNN used to be referred to as the Clinton News Network.

That's ALL I will say about Hillary Clinton.; August 24, 2008 6:58 PM
Beryl said...: AJ,

May be you should scream at Caroline and Teddy Kennedy and all of Europe. It is not only Beryl who is comparing Obama with JFK. Most people are comparing them because they both had the ability to inspire many people at home and abroad.

Just because YOU don't see the similarity, that doesn't mean that others do not.

I agree that they are different in that Obama is Protestant, is not cheating on his wife, and did not spend as much time in the US Senate.

Oh yeah, Obama is 1/2 black.; August 24, 2008 7:02 PM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 24, 2008 7:04 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

I'm sorry I just don't get where you think the networks were for Hillary. They weren't. AJ; August 24, 2008 7:06 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah and Dave your posts at 2:22 and 2:24 I agree with you two whole heartly. AJ; August 24, 2008 7:08 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I am sure that there are many people that don't see the JFK/Obama connection (Republicans, some Hillary supporters, and even some Obama supporters), but I do see it.

I haven't felt inspired by a president since JFK at all until now with Senator Obama.

O and Joe '08; August 24, 2008 7:15 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

what gets me with that last statment is the fact if Obama didn't win it would be Hillarys fault that is WRONG!!!!!!!!! AJ; August 24, 2008 7:19 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Idiot Shep on FoxNews just gave out poll info but didn't really say it right.

70+% people said that Obama picking Biden will have no affect on them to vote for Obama - 14% yes... and he made it sound like Biden wasn't helping Obama.

It's because those 70% are voting for Obama - and probably those people would still vote for Obama no matter what even if he picked Mickey Mouse ;)

Those pundits can spin anything!; August 24, 2008 7:20 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Okay... it doesn't matter anymore about the media coverage on Hillary, sexist statements, why she lost, or anything else. All the news media have had their love affair with Hillary and with Obama and they all bashed both of them at different times during the race.

The primaries are over - it is now past history.

O and Joe '08; August 24, 2008 7:25 PM
Independent Voter said...: AJ, then you weren't paying attention very closely over the summer or fall of last year. I've been following this race since the end of 2006. (Although I've been following Obama's career since his 2002 speech where he spoke out against the Iraq war. We were visiting friends in Chicago when he gave that speech. And we were in the crowd.); August 24, 2008 7:54 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: One more similarity...

Obama will be the first incumbent senator to be elected president since JFK.; August 24, 2008 9:05 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Who says Obama doesn't have a sense of humor-

http://tinyurl.com/mean-looking

This is all he has to say to get Mike's vote. LOL :D; August 24, 2008 9:11 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: heh, suzi, that made me giggle! spoken like a truly protective dad.; August 24, 2008 9:24 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Hahahahaha!

FoxNews electoral vote map is RIDICULOUS!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/winning-the-electoral-college/

.; August 24, 2008 9:27 PM
suzihussein22 said...: vicki-We've got a friend who'll lend us an automatic rifle to "clean" when our daughter's date comes to the door. Mike's got it coreographed. Too funny. :); August 24, 2008 9:39 PM

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