Democratic Convention Watch: Open Thread

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

Open Thread

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Aunt Jean said...: Richard I don't know where you get that I'm racist I guess you just picked a few words out of the post and stuck with those. Even though I've suffered great loses at the hands of blacks and blamed them for years for those loses. Meeting some that were very good people helped me look at them in a different light I realize that not and I repeat not all blacks are bad. That there is trash in every race. I don't consider myself racist if you think I'm racist that is your right but keep from insulting me. As for me asking someone if they was black I wasn't trying to be ugly. What it was is that I wanted to apology to them if they thought that I was being racist to them. See I'm not to proud to apology to someone if I offend their race. And I have said some really harsh words. I don't like, trust and think he is a really bad person [obama that is]not because he's black, part black, or whatever. It's the person [an american just like myself]. Does that make it somewhat clearer.Jean; April 28, 2008 10:20 AM
Anonymous said...: I just finished my second video for
your comments.
The first was favoring Hillary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1gGs1e9Q4o

The second favors Barrack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_fGvhlqhcU; April 28, 2008 10:34 AM
Anonymous said...: Both videos are PG rated.

Please refrain from knocking my
technical skills.; April 28, 2008 10:38 AM
ed iglehart said...: I sometimes wonder if the ability to self-edit (and thus produce shorter, more readable posts) is correlated to intelligence or elitism....

O, and just by the way

Salaam, etc.
ed; April 28, 2008 11:07 AM
Anonymous said...: ed,
Elite is a term used relative to ones own perception of themselves.
IMO all senators could be called elite by most folks.; April 28, 2008 11:47 AM
vwis said...: Jean,

Thanks. I knew you could get your point out just as well if not better by toning it down. I now don't have to worry about my 8 yr old son reading over my shoulder.; April 28, 2008 12:27 PM
Yamaka said...: Hello Democrats,

Here is another

Conversation with Sen BHO Jr.

-Good Morning, Senator. Assalamu Alaikum.

- Hi Yamaka, what's up my man?

- Nothing much, Sir. Did you hear pastor Wright on Moyer's and on NAACP? He is stirring up the pot a lot. What say you, Senator?

- Well, Yamaka. He has been my pastor who baptized me to Christianity, has been my mentor and friend for more than 20 years. He is a very flamboyant and articulate man - he has the right to say whatever he wishes; I am not worried at all.

Although my handlers, particularly David Axelrod and the BigMoneyBags, are very worried that my pastor is going to trip the Apple Cart, I am resigned to the saying, "Whatever will happen will happen", no matter how I strategise or not. I also feel in my bones that my best days are over, behind us with MS. I have lost the crucial large State Primaries like OH, PA, TX, FL., and I may very well lose even IN. My only hope is NC where lots of Black folks live - at least by a slim margin I may win. All other States are very questionable. I will lose most of the 9 future Contests.

The more Wright speaks the more I will come across as another Chicago Black Politician - a message that will drive lots of Whites away from me.Pastor Wright cannot be stopped. He is maniacal, and has tons of controversial issues even in his own big head. He has anger, hatred and confusion. He can talk like Hitler: he can make his audience go crazy - weep, smile and take to arms, whatever the Piper wants. I took a piece of his style. We will all talk the talk; but we can NEVER walk and talk. We are bunch of Big Mouths!

- Senator, still I believe you can be the Master of your Destiny. Take VP position, now and end this campaigning before it is too late.

Wright will dominate the scene for another 6 months; you will lose the Nomination, and Hillary will pick another Black American Man of Real Heritage (not a Kenyan Heritage), which will assure her of the Presidency. Therefore, think hard and act fast. Insha Allah, we meet again. Bye Bye. Good day.

- Fine Yama, you have a point. Let me think about it.

Insha Allah we meet again. Bye.

______________________________

Oh, Another day, another Conversation with BHO.

Cheers. :--); April 28, 2008 12:27 PM
Anonymous said...: IMHO, Obama supporters would do well to find some way get Rev. Wright off the News; April 28, 2008 1:23 PM
jpsedona said...: Has anyone read Terry McCauliffe's book "What a Party!"?

Here's an excerpt talking about the 2004 election:

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"I'm going outside the primary window," [Michigan Sen. Carl Levin] told me definitively.

"If I allow you to do that, the whole system collapses," I said. "We will have chaos. I let you make your case to the DNC, and we voted unanimously and you lost."

He kept insisting that they were going to move up Michigan on their own, even though if they did that, they would lose half their delegates. By that point Carl and I were leaning toward each other over a table in the middle of the room, shouting and dropping the occasional expletive.

"You won't deny us seats at the convention," he said.

"Carl, take it to the bank," I said. "They will not get a credential. The closest they'll get to Boston will be watching it on television. I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state. The rules are the rules. If you want to call my bluff, Carl, you go ahead and do it."

We glared at each other some more, but there was nothing much left to say. I was holding all the cards and Levin knew it.

[Source: McAuliffe, Terry. What A Party!, p. 325.]

===============

How times change, huh? NOW, what's Terry's story???; April 28, 2008 1:43 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Jim said: "IMHO, Obama supporters would do well to find some way get Rev. Wright off the News"
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Rev.Wright is his own man. Senator Obama is not responsible for what Wright does or says.

Saying that Obama supporters should do something is like saying that Clinton supporters should do something about James Carville or Bill Clinton.

That is ridiculous!

People need to judge Obama by HIS words and HIS deeds, not by what others do or say.; April 28, 2008 1:52 PM
Yamaka said...: "Rev.Wright is his own man. Senator Obama is not responsible for what Wright does or says."

BHO has already declared in the FOX Interview that Issues of Wright is a legitimate matter for discussion in this Nomination/Election Fight!

Because, BHO has cut his teeth under the guidance and tutelage of pastor Wright for the past 22 years!

In fact, BHO's speaking materials like "Audacity of Hope", the style and diction are ALL of Wright's.

Wright IS the right person to vouch for the character, judgment and credibility of BHO.

It is a fair game, now on.

BHO's tail is on fire, whether he realizes or not!

Stay tuned on more of Wright!

Cheers. :-); April 28, 2008 2:05 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Yamaka said:"Because, BHO has cut his teeth under the guidance and tutelage of pastor Wright for the past 22 years!"

Senator Obama joined the church in 1991.
2008 - 1991 = 17 years.

Here is another case where math is important.; April 28, 2008 2:28 PM
loki50 said...: Indiana rules make it virtually impossible for either candidate to pick up more than about 2 delegates! CD 1,2,7,8,and 9 have 6 delegates so winner has to get more than 58 pct to get a 4/2 split, CD 6 has 5 and goes 3/2 to winner. CD 3,4,and 5 have 4 and a 65 pct margin requires for anything other than 2/2. Statewides in 2 lots, one of 16 (again 58 pct to be other than 8/8) and one of 9 (5/4 to winner). Does not appear to offer Sen. Clinton much hope of a dramatic pickup (EXCELLENT!!) even with a PA style margin.; April 28, 2008 2:56 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: New super-delegate for Senator OBAMA today:

Sen. Jeff Bingaman (NM)

Obama '08 - our next POTUS :); April 28, 2008 3:58 PM
Aunt Jean said...: VWIS I hope that your son hasn't read any of my posts. Children shouldn't have to be exposed to my rantings or anyones elses. Jean; April 28, 2008 4:49 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Jim I think your videos are good got a good laugh. Thanks for making my day lol.Of course I liked Hillarys better. Jean; April 28, 2008 5:02 PM
jpsedona said...: Aunt Jean,

Did you have an opportunity to see Rev. Wright's speech to the NAACP in full or the Nat. Press Club? I'd be interested to know what you thought.; April 28, 2008 5:05 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah according to snoops obama has been a member for 20 years just thought I would let you know. Jean; April 28, 2008 5:14 PM
Aunt Jean said...: ipsedona I just got thru reading Rev. Whright's speech to NAACP. It was very good and he had some great ideas. It definitely gave me something to think about. Even though it was a good speech. It won't change my mind about obama I think he's very cocky and to smooth of a talker.Besides I really do like Clinton even with all her faults [yes I know she has them] but I still back her not only because I like her I believe that she will do a lot better job.. Jean; April 28, 2008 5:47 PM
Anonymous said...: Aunt Jean,
Thanks for watching my videos.They were meant for humor. That is why I hit them both.
jp,
I watched Rev. Wright and thought he did it pretty well, but he kind
came off as a loose canon today.; April 28, 2008 5:47 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Jim to me he [Wright] is a very strange the speech that he gave at NAACP was very good then he goes off and says some really bad things and you wonder where did that come from. Do you know what I mean? Jean; April 28, 2008 5:53 PM
ed iglehart said...: The more the public seeof Dr Wright, speaking for himself, the more they'll like him. Those who won't, are those with closed minds, and never would have voted for Obama anyway.

Dr Wright is an asset, and so is Mike Huckabee, for that matter.

And, just in passing, Our "staunch ally", Israel sent a rocket which killed a mother and her four children while they were having breakfast this morning.

"Blessed are those who bash your children's heads against the rock!"

Salaam/Shalom; April 28, 2008 5:57 PM
Anonymous said...: A J,
Yep, I agree. With a minister like that, who needs enemies.
IMHO, Obama would be smart to denounce the man.; April 28, 2008 5:59 PM
vwis said...: Jean

I don't think so, but he often walks up to talk to me while I am on the computer. He is a very good reader. He has never said anything.; April 28, 2008 6:03 PM
jpsedona said...: Jim Jean,

Here's my observations on Wright:

1) If you get a chance to watch his whole speech, you can only come away with the impression that he's a really powerful speaker. The NAACP speech was funny and stronlgy delivered. If nothing else he was very entertaining.

2) The man is full of anger, passionate and a bit cocky. He reminds me of a tea kettle on full boil.

3) There is no way that Wright is going to back down from being in the spotlight... that's where he wants to be. Wright will capitalize on his 15 mins of fame. If his book comes out before election day, it can't be good for Obama.

4) Wright's answers to the open questions at the end of his speech today were interesting. He answered a lot of hard questions. He came across indignant.

5) He will be a albatross around Obama's neck all year. He seems angry at Obama as well. However, the more people see of Wright, the more likely they are to determine that Wright is a loose cannon.

6) I can only thing that Wright has his OWN best interests in mind. It may be that he can beneift more by Obama loosing the election.; April 28, 2008 6:06 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Ed I will admit that when I new that Hillary was going to be on the ticket I loved the idea one reason because of President Clinton. Now that I have really listened to her I believe that she will be better than he was. At first I thought well if it wasn't for Hillary I do believe that I would vote for that [MAN] not black, or half white just man. But then I starting paying hearing all the things that were coming out about him. Plus he has gotten so cocky and he has this demeanor that I really don't like. I'm not saying that he's not a smart all I'm saying is this [ I don't like or trust the man Obama period!It has nothing to do because of his race. Jean; April 28, 2008 6:06 PM
Anonymous said...: Reverend Wright affirmed his opinion that the U.S. is a terrorist Govt. at the Press club; April 28, 2008 6:08 PM
jpsedona said...: Jean,

"Plus he has gotten so cocky and he has this demeanor that I really don't like"

I thin that's an opinion shared by the media and Dem insiders in general. He's just not the same guy on the campaign trail that he was a dozen years ago. One of his main strategies was to talk about 'you' vs. taking about himself. He seems to have done an awful lot of talking about himself during the campaign. It could be just rust, or it might be an irritation factor because he can't control the outcome the way he used to. I don't know.; April 28, 2008 6:13 PM
Anonymous said...: Big endorcement for Clinton.
Nc Gov. Mike Easley for Clinton; April 28, 2008 6:14 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Big endorsement for Obama

Sen. Jeff Bingaman (NM)

New SD's:

Obama - 1 - today
Clinton - 1 - tomorrow

Not much headway for either.; April 28, 2008 6:17 PM
Aunt Jean said...: To all you guys I know I left out words again sorry. There is one word in there that I really don't like and it doesn't really come across as to how I feel about him. That word was cocky [really don't like that word] pompous is a whole lot better now guys don't go thinking I've changed my mind and I'm saying POTUS since this also starts with po. I would have to say that you are being sly dogs [not insulting just joking] Jean; April 28, 2008 6:18 PM
ed iglehart said...: Jp,

It's funny, but Dr Wright didn't come across as angry in the PBS interview. Not at all, just a wee bit distressed at being sound-bytten (who wouldn't be?).

I'll check out the NAACP and other speech noted, but I've watched several sermons, and I find him a fine preacher, and clearly filled with love for humanity and, of course, God.

The best ever funeral I ever attended was an old black woman who had worked for my grandmother and then my mother. The church was full, and it was billed as "Missouri's Goin' Home Celebration". There were several preachers, half a dozen choirs, and everybody wept buckets of sad/happy tears. White folks should go to black churches more often - it's the Real Thing!

Salaam/Shalom
ed; April 28, 2008 6:18 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Jim I think that's going overboard.{Wright] Jean; April 28, 2008 6:21 PM
Anonymous said...: leah,
I think NM has already voted and NC is coming up; April 28, 2008 6:21 PM
Somerled said...: Agreed Ed, and until we start going to church together the rest is just talk. You can't legislate people's hearts.; April 28, 2008 6:22 PM
Anonymous said...: ed,
"The best ever funeral I ever attended "
Rev. Wright may be presiding over Obama's political funeral right now; April 28, 2008 6:25 PM
Somerled said...: But you trust a woman who wants to go work in the offices where her husband had an illicit affair and embarrassed her in front of the whole country? Sure, makes sense to me.; April 28, 2008 6:25 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Jim-

I don't think that really matters. A super-delegate is a super-delegate no matter what. And Obama has already had tons of folks in NC come out and endorse him.

Georgia already voted - but when Carter comes out to endorse that will be BIG too!; April 28, 2008 6:26 PM
Aunt Jean said...: VWIS I will try my very best even if I get angry to watch my words. If by any chance he says anything tell him that I'm sorry that it was wrong of me and that people sould watch what they say and type. Jean; April 28, 2008 6:27 PM
Somerled said...: 'Rev. Wright may be presiding over Obama's political funeral right now'

Not unless he's caught in bed with a twelve year-old boy. Hillary has a VERY big mouth and I am sure her foot will find it soon enough.; April 28, 2008 6:28 PM
Anonymous said...: Leah, I hope Carter indorses Obama
soon. It will drive the moderates toward Clinton.; April 28, 2008 6:29 PM
Anonymous said...: Somerled,
How did you find out about the "Twelve year old boy"; April 28, 2008 6:32 PM
jpsedona said...: Leah,

At this point in time, do you really thin that Carter's endorsement of Obama (given Jimmy's trip to the mideast) is going to be a positive?; April 28, 2008 6:32 PM
Somerled said...: Jim-

LOL You WISH!!! It's her only hope.; April 28, 2008 6:32 PM
vwis said...: Jean,

I appreciate your attempt. When you get angry and the are egging you on just say to yourself I am better than that. In cartoons, and the media where foul language is unacceptable they often type #### or h### as a substitute. People still get it.; April 28, 2008 6:34 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: All I said was: "Georgia already voted - but when Carter comes out to endorse that will be BIG too!"
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I did not say anything about who he would endorse. I was just trying to make a point that just because a state has already voted that any future endorsements from SDs can still be big news.

It was big news when Bill Richardson endorsed and that was AFTER New Mexico voted.

And Obama's endorsement by the Senator of New Mexico made headlines today.; April 28, 2008 6:38 PM
Anonymous said...: Somerled,
Water finds its own level, Obama is kinda liquid right now; April 28, 2008 6:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Leah,
Carter will go for Obama and thus further drive away the blue collar
voter.; April 28, 2008 6:42 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Somerled it's been several years Hillary has forgiven Bill.Knowing when she wins she will be in that oval office you and a few others keep talking about. I guess you can't forget itand let it go. It must be a sore spot with you. Please let it go it's doing nothing but causing discord. Jean; April 28, 2008 6:43 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah the media made Richardson big news that is why it was big news. Jean; April 28, 2008 6:45 PM
Aunt Jean said...: I thought Obamas endorsement today was an add on did I miss something? Jean; April 28, 2008 6:47 PM
Aunt Jean said...: I thought Obamas endorsement today was an add on did I miss something? Jean; April 28, 2008 6:48 PM
Somerled said...: Jean-

It's not a sore spot, it's a character flaw. Normal people don't do that kinda thing (go spend lots of time where their spouse cheated on them). They just don't.; April 28, 2008 6:51 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Jim I agree with you about Carter. Jean; April 28, 2008 6:52 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Somerled well I guess that she would be putting her own personal feelings aside for the good of the people. She knows that she will be able to make a difference. I know myself have had to make a very hard choise. Even though it hurt so badly when I made it [and frankly it still does after 5 years]but I do know that I made the right decision.So sometimes you have to suck up your pride and do what is right for everyone and that is for her to be President Hillary Clinton. Jean; April 28, 2008 7:01 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Aunt Jean-
No it wasn't an add-on.
It was a SENATOR's endorsement.
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Quote:

Today, United States Senator Jeff Bingaman (D-NM) endorsed Barack Obama for president, citing his ability to rise above the issues that divide us, end the war in Iraq, bring universal health care, and make America energy independent.

Senator Bingaman said, “Today, I am announcing my support for Barack Obama for president and declaring my intention to vote for him at the Democratic convention.

“Our nation faces a daunting number of critical challenges: reasserting America’s leadership in the world, meeting our needs for energy independence, addressing global warming, making healthcare accessible and affordable, positioning our economy to effectively compete globally, and extricating ourselves from the war in Iraq, to name a few.

“To make progress, we must rise above the partisanship and the issues that divide us to find common ground. We must move the country in a dramatically new direction.

“I strongly believe Barack Obama is best positioned to lead the nation in that new direction.”

Senator Obama said, “I’m grateful today to have Senator Bingaman’s support. Senator Bingaman has been speaking out in the United States Senate on some of the most pressing issues of our time – saving our environment, fighting global warming, and making America energy independent. Senator Bingaman has been an important advocate in the energy debate, and has served the people of New Mexico for decades, giving voice to the issues that matter to families across the state. We are proud to have his support as we fight to bring about real change for families in New Mexico and across the country.”

Senator Jeff Bingaman is the Chairman of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee. He has served in the United State Senate since 1982, and previously served as New Mexico Attorney General.
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Senator count now is:

Obama 18
Clinton 13; April 28, 2008 7:01 PM
Somerled said...: She HAS no personal feelings and it's for the good of HILLARY. Self-sacrifice would require character and she has none. This is what we mean when we say she would do ANYTHING to get elected.; April 28, 2008 7:04 PM
Somerled said...: Dunno, 'nough said. After this the only way she sees the oval is on a WH tour anyway. But keep hoping and praying 'til the end. I know I will. To say good-bye two those two FOREVER.

I do believe the country is ready to elect a woman, when one runs for the nomination, we'll vote for her.; April 28, 2008 7:08 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah sorry my mistake, but don't you think even if it's Hillary it big news? I will admit that some is better than others but they are all great news. Jean; April 28, 2008 7:11 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Somerled Somerled you have such harsh views. I just don't happen to see it that way. Jean; April 28, 2008 7:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Somerled
"I do believe the country is ready to elect a woman, when one runs for the nomination, we'll vote for her. "
I fell the same about a Black, when one runs I will vote for him,
If he is a real person and not an empty suit.; April 28, 2008 7:15 PM
Anonymous said...: And of course he has to be Black, not a white with black blood.
They like father, like son. Look at Obama's father.
The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree; April 28, 2008 7:19 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Jim -

It would be very easy for me to hate a person like you for your ignorant remarks - but instead I will pray for you and hope that God has mercy on your soul.; April 28, 2008 7:30 PM
Anonymous said...: It seems Obama supporters are coming to guuun fight with a knife
when it comes to Rev. Wright.
Throw him overboard and let us talk
Tax policy.
Like Obama pledging not to raise taxes on anyone making less than $250K and then saying he would lift the SS tax maximum; April 28, 2008 7:30 PM
Anonymous said...: leah,
I am right with my god and with Jesus. Get thee behind me leah.
And take your knife with you.; April 28, 2008 7:34 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Hey Jim I do believe Leahs claws are out tonight better you than me. I think you're old enough to take care of yourself.lol I still like you though! Jean; April 28, 2008 7:35 PM
Anonymous said...: I do appreciate your prayers, though; April 28, 2008 7:35 PM
Anonymous said...: Aunt Jean,
My 6 year old Great Grandson could handle her,; April 28, 2008 7:37 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Hey Jim now that would be a funny site to behold.Plus your giving your age away. LOL LOL Jean; April 28, 2008 7:43 PM
Yamaka said...: Good Evening, Fellow Democrats.

It is a beautiful day in Houston.

I listened to pastor Wright's NAACP speech in full. Here is my impression:

1. He is a well read impressionable man. He has flamboyance and complete command of the language and the podium. He is talking very much like Louis Farrakhan. BHO seems to have taken a few pages from these theologians' books.

2. He is angry, and internally fuming over the past injustices of the White masters. But refuses to see the progress in the past 40 years since Dr. King's massacre. Whites, indeed, have moved on and embraced Blacks as equal: BHO's family is a living example.

3. His assertion that Blacks are biologically different from White Europeans is ridiculously absurd and arrogantly ignorant view.

Except the metabolic pathway leading to melanin pigment formation and accumulation, Blacks are nearly identical biologically - my professional opinion as a neurobiologist.

He cites the works of some fringe elements and declares that Black kids are "subject oriented", while White Europeans are "object oriented" in learning and behavior. This is his own "man made" distinction between Blacks and Whites - utter stupid nonsense!

4. He is terribly egoistic to promote his own theology. He is capable of spreading hate and anger through the population via his disciples.

5. He is anti-American, and clearly anti-White, as is Louis Farrakhan. If a foreign force annihilates an American city, he will be the first one to dance in the street rejoicing and invoking the power of God!!!

6. It seems he and Farrakhan are living in big Mansions (like BHO is), but deceives the public that he is a simple man preaching just the Gospel of God.

7. He has the talent of Adolf Hitler in oratory and eloquence, as is BHO.

America, watch out of these bigots. They can inflict untold misery on ALL of US.

Cheer, Smile and vote for a better unified America.

Vote for Hillary, not for the risky Wright's Bigots!; April 28, 2008 9:11 PM
MSMWatch2008 said...: Ariane . . . you say it well, as the tone of superiority -- over ridiculous issues -- wears very thin, so thanks.
~~~
Leah said . . . Saying that Obama supporters should do something (about Wright) is like saying that Clinton supporters should do something about James Carville or Bill Clinton.
. . .
Actually, most of us LOVE both of those guys. Go figure.
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Jean and vwis . . . nice job of communicating, nice tone as well.
~~~

Nobody asked, but . . . I thought the NAACP speech was hardly a great speech (ebonics?!?!), and though we found it amusing at my house, it wasn't because of his "bon mots." Watched it in real time, and this morning the Press Club. He is very charmed by himself. I think Wright is pissed at Obama, possibly doesn't like being first overshadowed and then marginalized. Super ego, no doubt about it. So now he has a book to market. Great! The possible upside for Obama is people will feel sorry for him at perceived mistreatment by his former pastor.
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somerled . . . maybe none of us should be the arbiter of “normal” -- anyway, you don’t get my vote for the job.

I find it interesting that you believe that someone who tries to work through the problems in his or her marriage, and tries to stick to vows that are meaningful to him or her, is somehow sick, abnormal or possibly evil. I find that, in this election, it is a criteria used to dismiss Hillary’s character. I have never understood the "Hillary is Satan" mentality that is so prevalent in some circles; this is a woman who has chosen a life of service to her country and its least fortunate citizens, when she could have settled into a life of wealth and ease. She is condemned for choosing to stay in an imperfect marriage, which is something many of us, or our friends or family members, have chosen to do without penalty of condemnation. Actions and values that in most anyone else would be hailed as virtuous are somehow contraverted into something dark and sinister . . . EXCEPT by those of us who are using our open minds, our good brains and our clean hearts to help us choose the best HOPE for this country.; April 28, 2008 9:50 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Yamaka I knew that you were a wise man and smart. I enjoyed reading your post.It was very interesting.Jean; April 28, 2008 9:53 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah Gov. Easley NC to endorse Clinton now that a big endorsement. Gov. is a very wise man and knows who's the best for the WH. Jean; April 28, 2008 10:25 PM
MSMWatch2008 said...: Ariane . . . re the revotes for MI & FL, I don’t see any response to your request, and admittedly it’s hard to come up with anything concrete, but here’s a bit of info – enjoy!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/19/AR2008031903258_pf.html

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1724374,00.html

http://www.michiganmessenger.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=685

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/21/us/politics/21delegates.html?ex=1363838400&en=627594c427527943&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/florida_michigan_revotes_forge.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/20/michigan-primary-redo-pl_n_92682.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wayne-barrett/could-the-republicans-cou_b_94158.html; April 28, 2008 10:48 PM
Yamaka said...: Dear Hillary Supporters:

I have a wish that Hillary gets the Nomination, and she pick a Black man with Genuine Black American Heritage, whose forefathers bore the scars of slavery, discrimination, segregation and the attendant untold misery, as VP.

That Black VP candidate must be very articulate and young, with good name recognition, IMHO.

Who could be that VP? Any suggestion?

This could be our REAL DREAM TEAM to beat McCain, and heal the country of race problems.

Cheers. :-); April 28, 2008 11:33 PM
Unknown said...: I am Nancy PEloosy and I am very upset with Howard Dean . I do not understand why all the Super Delegates do not listen to us and vote en-masse for Obama . Then the race will be over and I will remain as the only Queen Bee . I must admit that Hillary is the only person who has 8 years executive experience as the President’s right hand person and another 12 years in Arkansas as a Governor’s right hand person. They say people with executive experience only become Presidents . That way only Hillary and not Obama should be nominated.

Compared to her I am nothing. I ran 10 times from the safest Democratic seat ever. And I won. I have 20 Millions in the bank and nobody could beat me. Besides I run not to solve any problems of the country . This is why the gas in my constituency is going for $4.25 per gallon and Iraq War is going on & On. Do I care? It is not coming from my pocket !!! In 20 years I have never sponsored a bill for Universal Health Care. Or a bill for energy independence. I DO NOT CARE . I get free health Insurance paid for by the tax Payers.

I do not know why only Obama is surrounded by losers. Sen. Chris Dodd (CT) ( Could not even get 5% of the votes in CT)( Pastor Wright surrounded by criminal gangs -more crime in Chicago where Obama is from than any other place, Why do not they change Chicago where the dropout rate is reaching 50% among teen agers and teenage pregnancy is rampant Gov. Rod Blagojevich (IL) connected to the same criminal elements as Obama, Gov. Deval Patrick (MA) ( All words and no action – lowest approval rating) John Kerry and Ted Kennedy from MA Perenniel losers taking their frustrations out on Clintons, Gov. Bill Richardson (NM) ( a real traitor who could not get even 5% of the latino vote), Gov. Aníbal Acevedo Vilá ( PR) being indicted on corruption charges, Gary Hart, womanizer frozen out by Democrats for last 20 years, Fmr Sen. Tom Daschle (SD) Cannot even win his own Senate Seat, Dean Howard who has been against Clintons since 2000 when they supported Gore instead of him

I believe Wright and believe as he implies, that Obama does agree and believe many of the things that Wright speaks. Obama has the capacity to convince us otherwise but will he? That will involve his knowing who he really is, what he believes and stands for and what convictions he would fight for. Obama is worried about being perceived as attacking the black church and thus not being black enough? He's hoping it will just go away on it's a own, a little nuisance on the sidelines? Is he worried about the wrath of Wright? I would be. Clinton would maybe seem like a pussycat compared to Wright and in particular when Wright has had 20 yrs of knowing this man and could probably tell us alot about who Obama is and what he believes and could fill those blanks in even more. Wright has postured himself so if there was any possiblity at some point that the Obama camp would have thrown him under the busthat the Obama camp will think twice now. It will just stir up the hornet's nest potentially even more.

Obama has made some very serious judgement calls along the way. Once he decided to run for President is when he should have totally distanced himself from Trinity Church and Wright, he's a politician remember and that's what politicians do if they want to get elected.

I am worried that more and more that the momentum is towards Clinton. THE TRUTH ALWAYS WINS IN THE END. AP says she is leading McCain by 9%'All the smart Governors and Senators are supporting Clinton. NC & Oregon Governors will soon show their support for Clinton In my heart I also feel that Clinton is a better candidate than Obama but then I will not remain the Queen Bee.Dean & I am trying my best not to seat FL & MI , otherwise the game will be all over for Obama. Those Dam * Democrats. They want to use majority vote to decide everyting. PLEASE PLEASE SAVE ME !!!; April 29, 2008 12:33 AM
Yamaka said...: nancy:

Wonderful post. I love it.

Please keep writing!

_______________________________

Count ALL Votes, for we need Full Inclusive Democracy.

If the Democratic Party opposes this basic tenet, it ceases to be the National Party of ALL 50 States!

Do we need such Party, anyway?; April 29, 2008 12:46 AM
Somerled said...: Jim-

Sorry I missed your backwoods, backward-thinking remarks. My loss. Look, Hillary wants to go work everyday where the stain got put on the blue dress. THAT AIN'T NORMAL!!! A real woman would NEVER do that... or a man for that matter. I guess I mean a HUMAN BEING wouldn't do that.; April 29, 2008 3:34 AM
loki50 said...: To Yamaka
Obama and Wright have VERY different speaking styles. Obama builds, almost like a sypmhony. Rev. Wright speaks in riffs, the verbal equivalent of jazz.

Wright's stlye does resemble Hitler's, with appeals to common volk values against a culturally different group (and both spout rubbish, for what it is worth). That being said, Wright tells better jokes.; April 29, 2008 8:26 AM
Ariane said...: Somerled, Do we have to obsess about that blue dress again!?
Hillary has already been living with Bill ever since Monica, first at the White House itself then elsewhere. If she can stand the guy the stain CAME from, I reckon she can stand the location where the stain was made. It's not like the damn dress is draped across the desk as part of the permanent office decor. ;); April 29, 2008 8:27 AM
Ariane said...: loki50. You missed how many times Wright said "Different - not deficient" and how he emphasized that no group is superior. You would not have heard that in a Hitler speech - -der Fuehrer had very definite ideas about racial heirarchy where the Aryans and specifically the Deutsche Volk was credited with all that was honorable and courageous, fit to be rulers of the world, while other groups were fit to be slaves, or were parasites, vermin who must be destroyed
Someone I love very much was sent to Auschwitz because Jews were considered different AND deficient. I know a great deal about the evils of the Third Reich. so I get tired of people tossing Nazi comparisons around, comparing someone like Hitler to anyone who is not advocating his kind of hate and violence (and no Wright does not fit into that category).
People don't leave up out of Trinity UCC on Sunday afternoon wanting to attack anything but a soul food buffet.; April 29, 2008 8:43 AM
Ariane said...: MSMWatch. thank you for those links, I appreciate it, I will take a look at them later today when I get a chance. See y´all later.; April 29, 2008 8:47 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Somerled sorry but you are one sick human being. Jean; April 29, 2008 11:08 AM
loki50 said...: Ariane: My comment was in response to Yamaka's observation that Obama and Wright's oratorical style resembled that of Hitler, NOT in praise of that monster. Perhaps I misunderstood the earlier posting, but I found the comparison both disturbing and inaccurate.
sorry.; April 29, 2008 11:11 AM
Anonymous said...: Sure hope I didn't run leah off with my kinda tacky comments last night. We need a full discourse here; April 29, 2008 11:16 AM
Anonymous said...: The Wright Stuff: Farrakhan "one of the most important voices" of the last century’ Update: Wright’s security provided by Nation of Islam
posted at 2:50 pm on April 28, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/28/the-wright-stuff-farrakhan-one-of-the-most-important-voices-of-the-last-century/; April 29, 2008 11:19 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Somerled You should really learn to forgive and if not forget let it lie. It causes you great distress and that's not good for you or anyone else. Think about it! Jean; April 29, 2008 11:34 AM
GatorsChampions4Ever said...: Governor Easley is endorsing Senator Clinton in North Carolina. A major turn of events in her favor.; April 29, 2008 11:49 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Hey Gator what's up haven't heard from you in awhile been busy? Jean; April 29, 2008 12:28 PM
Dave in NC said...: Gov. Easley's endorsement of Clinton means nothing. He is a machine politician and is not in touch with the progressives that are supporting Obama.

He is also retiring.

The two current candidates for governor - Moore and Perdue have both endorsed Obama.

Nobodys mind is getting changed here in NC and, 8 days into early voting, a significant percentage of votes have already been cast.

I stand by my prediction - Obama in NC by 15-20% with 30% not out of the question.; April 29, 2008 12:34 PM
Unknown said...: Oh Yamaka Your posts are the best.I am Nancy PEloosy and you know I am the best and I wish that we could get united but this way I will no longer be the Queen BEE. Besides there are 9 months more for
Bush Presidency. Anything can happen to Dick Cheney ( you know he has a big heart problem ) and Bush . Then I can be the PRESIDENT.
Thank goodness, if bacause of my actions and Howard Dean's actions, if we do not get a Dream Ticket, then McCain is surely going to win and you know he is 72 years old and has cancer. My chances of becoming President go up by 50%. I just hope he does not select a woman as a running mate. All thiese women Governors who are siding with Obama are imagining that they will be VP canddates. No Way possible. As long as I am there nobody else can be the Queen Bee.
If you are a patriotic person and love this country, you must watch this video. It has been watched by 1,804, 123 viewers on You Tube. Please watch this so you know the truth :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU; April 29, 2008 12:43 PM
Dave in NC said...: Yamaka,

I knew you were a Nancy Boy! :); April 29, 2008 12:45 PM
Anonymous said...: Dave,
Do Wright and Farrakhan really have that many followers in NC?
30% is a pretty big number.
Maybe 1/10th of that; April 29, 2008 12:51 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave in NC you must be living in a dream world or either you don't want to admit that Hillary is going to be our next Preaident because she is the best for the job. I'm not saying that Obama isn't going to win NC but come on get real.Obama supporters are living in a dream land if they think Obama is going to be our next President. { won't happen] Go Hillary you're the best for the job!!!!! Jean; April 29, 2008 12:52 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Hey everybody I thought about something. Obama thinks that he's better than anyone else [yeah right] well his followers are in the clouds with him and because of the fluff [clouds]they can't see the real world. Jean; April 29, 2008 12:58 PM
Aunt Jean said...: msnwatch2008 the links that you sent Ariane are very good I've read some and want to read the rest. Obama and Michelle scares me even more though!But I do appreciate you sending them thanks . Have a nice day. Jean; April 29, 2008 1:27 PM
jpsedona said...: Kentucky Rep. Chandler and Iowa DNC member Machaceck announced support for Obama. Gov. Easley endorsed Hillary.

Since last Tuesday's PA primary:

Obama +7
Clinton +3

The pool of uncommitted SD's ignoring remaining unselected add-ons keeps getting smaller.

Hillary should do OK with some of the add-ons over the next week (e.g. NY with 4), but at this point it's a game of attrition. Hillary cannot afford to be giving up 70% of the SD's as they announce.

Eleven more add-ons get selected between now and next Tues:

NY 4
MD 2
LA 1
SC 1
IL 3

It will be interesting to see how these split between th candidates & uncommitted.

Hillary's best hope to stop the tide of SD's for OPbama at this point is to get the nod from John Edwards (who might influence previous some SD's previously backing him, as well as some districts in the primary next week).; April 29, 2008 2:02 PM
Yamaka said...: "I stand by my prediction - Obama in NC by 15-20% with 30% not out of the question".-daveNC

My two cents:

There is a possibility that Edwards would endorse Hillary (his wife is pestering him to do so). If that happens, then Hillary takes both IN and NC by 7-9% margin.

If not, Hillary will take IN and BHO will take NC by the same margin.

Wait and See.

Cheers. :-) Vote for Hillary.; April 29, 2008 2:02 PM
Dave in NC said...: Jim,

You must be a fisherman with all those RED HERRINGS you keep coming up with. :)

I guess that's all you've got, though.

As for my predictions on NC, they are based on fact whereas your number seems based on delusion.

I will save and repost your comment on May 6 when the results come in so everyone can see the failure of "Clintoneque Logic" to draw accurate conclusions.

Peace & Love my worthy opponent.; April 29, 2008 2:03 PM
vwis said...: Jean,

I thought about you being my bf again. I do like you. I'm not sure I should tho, because we obviously have different points of view. Someday I may run for office and my association with you may come into question. lol As a matter of fact, I'm not sure is I should blog on this website because some of the ideas here are WHACK. Not sure I should associate with anyone because they're really WHACKED. Guess I can't get elected tho if nobody likes me. Quite the delemna don't you say.

Guess I stick to the media.

I better bone-up on my editing skills tho because my proofing is atrocious.; April 29, 2008 2:21 PM
Dave in NC said...: Aunt Jean,

As with most general elections, no candidate will be a sure thing.

I give Obama no better than a 55% chance of beating McCain at this point.

Clinton, however, will never win a general election in any year against any candidate.

I contend that she will be doing well to keep her Senate seat after her performance during this campaign.

However, any Clinton supporter that honestly still believes she has a chance to win the nomination is so far out in La La Land that there would be no reasoning with them.

Take care, Dave; April 29, 2008 2:24 PM
jpsedona said...: CQ Politics did a good job in predicting the delegate splits in PA based upon the district level projections. They've come out with their projection for Indiana based upon a 24-23 delegate split at the district level. WIth a slim win in popular vote by either candidate, the remaining 25 delegates would give only a few delegates to the winner in the state wide vote.

Extrapolating on their numbers, a 10% margin of victory by Clinton would give her 14 delegates and Obama 11.

A win's a win, but it looks like at best (right this minute), she could pick up +4 in Indiana. It's also possible that Hillary wins the statewide margin but Obama comes out ahead in delegates based on the allocations by district.

If you're interested in how delegates may split, this is another great article by CQ:

Projects a Close Delegate Split in Indiana Primary; April 29, 2008 2:25 PM
vwis said...: akamay,

Do you think that Rev. Wright might being doing these speeches now because he's prodding Obama to denounce him so BHO has better chance of winning? Obama must be praying and doing alot of soul-searching today.; April 29, 2008 2:29 PM
Anonymous said...: Dave,
My projection of 3% was simply to point out how ridiculous your 30% was.
We could see how close we are.
And yess, I fish. I use bait to elicit a ignorant response or two
from others.; April 29, 2008 2:30 PM
vwis said...: Jpsedona,

Its really not a delegate count situation anymore, its about popular vote. Because, She said so. He needs about 2 million votes to overcome her (MI & FL). So, the question is does anyone know how many people are going to vote in Guam, NC and IN.; April 29, 2008 2:33 PM
Pablo said...: Very facinating reading the posts here. I understand the loyalty towards each poster's choice of candidate. Given that the two candidates' platforms are so similar about most of the issues, I hope the loyalties aren't so engrained that we can still unite behind the eventual nominee, even if it wasn't the one you were pulling for.; April 29, 2008 2:44 PM
Pablo said...: ...and Jim, because I'm one of those ignorant people responding, it's "an ignorant", not "a ignorant" Happy fishing :); April 29, 2008 2:50 PM
Dave in NC said...: Yam,

I believe Edwards is more likely to endorse Obama. He is much more in line with Obama on policy.

Remember that Obama picked up a good portion of Edward's Iowa delegates.

That said, I would not be surprised if Edwards did not endorse anyone.

Besides, at this point, nobody's endorsement is going to change very many minds.

Peace and Peyote my psychedelic friend. :); April 29, 2008 2:57 PM
Dave in NC said...: Jim,

Do you ever get any ignorant reactions?

I find that the ignorant are better baited with well placed logic.

Better to use bobbers than sinkers.

That is why you are in my creel.; April 29, 2008 3:06 PM
jpsedona said...: vvis,

The popular vote 'theory' on Hillary's part still relates to delegate votes. The only way for her to win the nomination is gather pledged delegates and SD's.

I think it's pretty clear there's no way for her to make up the difference in pledged delegates.

So, her strategy is to pitch every possible argument that would convince SD's to go for her. Popular vote is one pitch, but we know the others include biggest states, blue states, swing states, electability, experience, 'fighter', etc.

Since the SD's can vote however they want, any argument is a good one for her to make.

However, the practicality is that without MI&FL being counted, Obama has a pledged delegate lead of about 150+; Hillary holds a 20+ delegate margin in SD's. I believe that the add-ons will break for Obama, or at best be even for Hillary.

She needs to suppress the tide of SD's announcing for Obama. She claim popular vote all she wants, but that's a step toward getting SD's onboard. If the pool of uncommitted delegates drops so low, she won't be able to make up the margin. When that happens, the self-preservation mode will kicj in and Obama will be boosted over the top. THEN, there will be a resolution on MI & FL.

It's been a really bad week for Obama since being stung in PA plus the new Wright speeches. He's still up 7-3 in SD commitments since then. Hillary can't afford that trend to continue.; April 29, 2008 3:10 PM
Anonymous said...: Dave, I get a few, but you are far
to learned to post one. You are obviously a college grad.
Me, more grade school.
I really liked grade school,most of all fifth grade. I was class president three times.; April 29, 2008 3:15 PM
Dave in NC said...: Jim,

BTW, my projection was not 30 points.

I believe if you re-read my post, my projection was 15-20 points.

I simply held out 30 points as a resonable but outlying scenario.

3 points is not a reasonable scenario.; April 29, 2008 3:18 PM
Dave in NC said...: Jim,

Good one! LOL

Dave; April 29, 2008 3:20 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Interesting...

There was an article this morning online that said Elizabeth Edwards would be backing Clinton and that she was trying to talk John into doing the same.

Then just now Elizabeth Edwards was on MSNBc and she said that the Edwards family is on vacation in Florida and that they HAVE NOT and do NOT plan on backing anyone yet.

So that puts an end to that!; April 29, 2008 3:25 PM
Anonymous said...: Dave,
I think 3 points is a reasonable scenario and you say 30 is. Therefore if it were 16 points, I would be closer than you, as far as our reasonable scenarios go.; April 29, 2008 3:26 PM
Anonymous said...: leah,
Glad to see you back. I have only had Old Dave to irritate.
Got my grammer corrected by Pablo(new name to me), but he is far to civil; April 29, 2008 3:34 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: jpsedona said:"Hillary holds a 20+ delegate margin in SD's."
______________

And now her lead is way down to +19.

In another week my guess it will go down to 10 ;); April 29, 2008 3:35 PM
Dave in NC said...: Jim,

You are correct.

So when they come out with a prize for "Best Outlandish Prediction" you would then win the prize over me.

However, remember that 16 points would be exactly within my range of PROBABLE outcomes.

Take care, Dave; April 29, 2008 3:36 PM
Anonymous said...: Dave, OK, Now you are getting technical. My probable is Obama by 5 to 7%; April 29, 2008 3:39 PM
Dave in NC said...: Jim,

OK, now we have projections that we can bet a beer on.

I hope one of us wins... I like beer.

Dave; April 29, 2008 3:49 PM
Anonymous said...: You got it, Dave, but low carb for me.
I am insulin challenged.; April 29, 2008 4:01 PM
jpsedona said...: Hillary has picked up another SD. Missouri congressman Ike Skelton endorsed her a little earlier this afternoon.; April 29, 2008 4:40 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Yep it's 2 to 2 -

4-29-08
- Added Gov. Mike Easley (NC) for Clinton
- Added DNC Richard Machacek (IA) for Obama.
- Added Rep. Ben Chandler (KY) for Obama
- Added Rep. Ike Skelton (MO) for Clinton

Now one more needs to come out today to break the tie :); April 29, 2008 4:50 PM
vwis said...: "its about popular vote. Because, She said so. He needs about 2 million votes to overcome her (MI & FL).

So, the question is does anyone know how many people are going to vote in Guam, NC and IN?"

Have you read my other posts?
Note She with capital letter. Answer the question.; April 29, 2008 5:09 PM
jpsedona said...: vvis,

US News & World Report has projections on popular vote totals for all remaining contests;

Popular vote projections; April 29, 2008 5:17 PM
jpsedona said...: Hillary is pulling out all the stops -- she's going to be on the O'Reilly Factor tomorrow. Considering her campaign has called Fox the most balanced coverage on tv, how bad could it be for her?; April 29, 2008 5:36 PM
Yamaka said...: "Obama must be praying and doing alot of soul-searching today".

But the damage is already done.

BHO has no way of escaping the basic fact that his "Guru" is a hate-monger, an egoistical maniac bent upon living in 1600 AD talking about slave ships and slave masters!

He refuses to see the beautiful flower of Black Integration that is blossoming under his own nose: the BHO family.

BHO is falling over his own sword!

A Shakespearian tragedy is on the stage!

Teary eyed BHO supporters need consolation, indeed.

Cheer, Smile and Vote for Hillary for REAL POSITIVE CHANGE.

The First Woman POTUS!; April 29, 2008 5:40 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Yamaka said: "The First Woman POTUS!"
_________________________

I just want to say that everytime you say that that it makes me less and less likely to want to vote for that woman.

I am a woman and I find it offensive that one of Hillary's talking points is that people should vote for her because she is a 'woman' and that it would make history.

I have always hoped that I would see a woman president in my lifetime but it must be one that gets there on her own merits and one that gets there for being the 'best' candidate for the job and not one that has gotten there on the coat-tails of a man or because of her gender.

So keep on saying your 'woman' phrase because it turns a lot of us women off!; April 29, 2008 5:56 PM
Somerled said...: Jean-

Thought about it... nah, Hillary's bad for the country and Hillary would be bad for me. But making sure people know how emotionless she is, or that her marriage is PURELY political is something that as many people as possible need to realize. I don't think I'll be posting anymore because she's already lost. The point is moot. So, on to November!!!

OBAMA '08!!!; April 29, 2008 6:19 PM
Yamaka said...: "So keep on saying your 'woman' phrase because it turns a lot of us women off!"---leah

Oh, the whole world knows that you and your "us women" are anti-Clinton and anti-Women Insurgents!

We have written-off your votes as one of the 30% women-haters who will not vote for HRC no matter what!

Have peace, and nurse your wounds of Wrights' jabs!

Hillary will be the First Woman POTUS. She earned it, period.

Cheer, Smile and Vote for HRC.; April 29, 2008 6:38 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I have seen this 'woman haters' talk on other blogs and it is ridiculous for people to think that WOMEN hate WOMEN. It is laughable. I understand that some Hillary supporters can't figure out why so many people pick Obama over Clinton but it has NOTHING to with her gender in most cases.

I AM A WOMAN and my disliking Hillary has nothing to do with her being a woman - it has ALL to do with her character!

You can try to rationalize Hillary's poor performance anyway you wish that makes you feel good.

Obama / Kathleen Sebelius '08; April 29, 2008 6:47 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Somerled -

I agree that it is pointless to post here since it is obvious that Hillary cannot catch up and has basically lost at this point in time.

Now I am waiting for the Obama / McCain debates :); April 29, 2008 6:51 PM
Anonymous said...: leah,
"I AM A WOMAN and my disliking Hillary has nothing to do with her being a woman - it has ALL to do with her character!"
That puts you in the minority, as far as your gender goes and solidly
with the rest of the Obama minorities.
Maybe you are also in the minority
of the female gender for other reasons. Maybe not.
Anyway you seem to make the same
point over and over.Before you ask, I am not going back and count
the times you have made basically the same post.
Also, praying for you.; April 29, 2008 7:16 PM
MSMWatch2008 said...: Ciao, somerled, but if pastate1 shows up we're going to know it's you!; April 29, 2008 7:34 PM
billyjay66 said...: Yamaha
I do believe you are slowing down. Maybe you realize that next week will bring Obama's "magic number" down into the thirties. (That close to clinching the majority of pledged delegates). Next week will bring the difference in Supers down to single digits.

I will return next week to claim my forecast. Knock yourself out all week Yamaha. Maybe you can change it.; April 29, 2008 8:21 PM
Yamaka said...: "You can try to rationalize Hillary's poor performance anyway you wish that makes you feel good."

As we speak HRC has the nod of 122,000 more Americans than the Wright-bitten liar, BHO.

She has won most of the large primaries that a Democrat should win to seek the Nomination legitimately.

Besides, she has the support of most White women, most regular White men, all of Latinos.

But our pathological liar has only most Blacks and some of the affluent White men and a few women!

Thus, demographically her support is stronger and broader than BHO.

When BHO declared that the Republican Party is the Party of Ideas, what legitimacy has he got to seek the Nomination of the Democratic Party, anyway?

BHO's poor character, judgment and credibility are self evident when you know who his 20-year pastor is, who his friends and financiers are!

He is just a Manchurian Candidate - an Empty Suit:

(Did you know how pathetic was he today before the Press? Awful, he stammered, stuttered because of the conflicts inside him: How could he say bad things about Wright? He was his mentor, pastor and the Guru!)

Vote for Hillary, the True Presidential Timber - the First Woman POTUS.

Cheer. :--); April 29, 2008 9:03 PM
Yamaka said...: Dear billy:

Our "Million Dollar Girl" has been winning the large Primaries TX, OH and PA lately. So, I don't worry much.

She will win most the remaining Primaries (Except NC, all others)

By June 5th, she will have more Total Delegates, and at least 250,000 more popular votes (including ALL votes polled), legitimately seeming the Nomination.

We will meet McCain in the Finals.

You can hurt the "Million Dollar Girl" only by resorting to fraudulent tactics (like not including ALL votes polled).

Stay tuned.

:-); April 29, 2008 9:17 PM
Aunt Jean said...: VWIS I can always tell them I had a blond moment! LOL. Or I could say that they were picking on me and made me say certain things {I won't memtion them]. You are so funny. Besides I like having you as a BF. I would tell you why but it would cause anger maybe later lol! .Jean; April 30, 2008 12:14 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Hey Leah after today you might be waiting for a long time babe!! Jean; April 30, 2008 12:16 AM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Lot's of talk about women haters, so....

I am not a woman hater, but I am a Hillary hater. What she and her lame husband have done to this country is disgraceful. And no I am not a Republican.

I am you average, middle aged (though feel old), middle class, retired military male that has done his homework, read through all of the political rhetoric, blogs, reasons for and against, and even read the books written by the candidates.

McCain is too unsure of what he answered yesterday, let alone has any plans or people around him that could contribute anything positive for this country.

Hillary could provide a different direction from Bush, but she would get the same cooperation from the House and Senate that she got when she tried to force her Health Care plan through before. It's her way or no way. We have had enough of that kind of politics.

That leaves Obama or someone else getting in the race late as an Independent or other Party Candidate. Obama has integrity and honesty that is refreshing. I also like Leah's VP choice for Obama. That Governor from Kansas is a pretty impressive woman and would make a great successor to Obama for the first woman President in 8 years.

Just my opinion... ;o)

(boy that was an easy verifier); April 30, 2008 12:18 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave it seems like you have become delusional have you been getting enough sleep? I say that because you said that Clinton not only can't win the election but that she will be lucky to keep her seat in office. She is going to be the next President even more so since that unbelievable speech from Obama today.You should really email him and tell him Hillary supporters remember him saying that Wright was his memtor [which he said today that he never said that he was ] LIE!! Have a nice one Jean; April 30, 2008 12:26 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah just because Hillary turns you off because she is a good woman![ your lost] She doesn't turn me off she turns me on because she IS.... such a good woman and she will be our next POTUS. She is going to get this country started in the right direction. Go Hillary see you at the WH. Jean; April 30, 2008 12:37 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Somerled well it was nice knowing you but try not to shed to many tears when Obama loses maybe some other time like 2024. Maybe he will have different views and mature some. Good luck because you will need it. Jean; April 30, 2008 12:43 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah I do believe that you are right women don't hate
women. It's called jealousy. They say confession is good for the soul you might want to try it. Who knows maybe it will do you some good.AMEN Jean; April 30, 2008 12:52 AM
Aunt Jean said...: I've got a question for the Obama supporters. Why does Obama feel that when he gives a speech {If you can call it that] he's got to have flags behind him? Is it because he wants people to believe [I don't] that he patriot? Everyone knows he believes that Africa his his mother contry! Just wanting to know Jean; April 30, 2008 1:08 AM
Yamaka said...: "What she and her lame husband have done to this country is disgraceful"

Please tell me what was disgraceful in (8 years)

1. Creating 22 million jobs
2. Growing the US economy at about 3.75% a year
3. Balancing the budget, and creating the Surplus, (which belonged to Social Security Fund).
4. Keeping the dollar strong.
5. Making Brand America the envy of the world.
6. Most people were happy with their jobs, health and wealth?

1990s was the Golden Era in Modern America.

Bill Clinton appointed first woman Attorney General.
He appointed first woman Secretary of State.

He was elected, and re-elected with 370 and 379 Electoral Votes.
He was and is an envy for any Democrat living or dead.

Please tell me truly what is really bothering you about Hillary?

She has been the Brain Behind Bill from their early days in Yale U, in Arkansa, and in the Oval Office. She has solid experience both in the Executive Branch and US Senate, as one of the most effective Senators.

Therefore, Cheer, Smile and Vote for the First POTUS, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

:-); April 30, 2008 1:15 AM
Pablo said...: I am not a Hillary hater at all, but I will disclose that I am decidedly for Obama.

In all fairness, if you are going to give her any credit for the time that Bill was in office during the 90's, then you should also give her some the credit for some of the stuff that did not go so well. And lets give her some credit of the scandals which she was directly involved with.

1. Meeting to push NAFTA forward, but now we know she was really opposed it.
2. Forgetting to do anything about Rwanda.
3. Not having any idea that her staff would fire the travel office staff after she told them to do exactly that.
4. Taking the White House gifts was just a clerical mistake.
5. The billing records magically showing up on their own after the investigation.
5. Instrumental in the Irish Peace Process, turns out not.
6. Instrumental negotiating the release of the refugees in Macedonia (who unfortunately were released the day before she got there).
7. Claiming no knowledge of the New Square Hasidic pardons (she attended a meeting at the White House about the pardons).
8. Saying she didn't know her brothers were paid to get pardons that Bill granted.
9. Claiming she didn't know that the Peter Paul fundraiser in 2000 cost $700,000 more than she reported it had.

Now, I like Hillary overall, and will support her if she is the chosen nominee, but like she said herself, she does have alot of baggage.; April 30, 2008 4:04 AM
Ariane said...: Loki,
re your comment: "My comment was in response to Yamaka's observation that Obama and Wright's oratorical style resembled that of Hitler, NOT in praise of that monster. Perhaps I misunderstood the earlier posting, but I found the comparison both disturbing and inaccurate."

I'm sorry, I misinterpreted or mixed up your reply with Yamakas original comment. I will try to be more careful.

Perhaps I get hypersensitive on this subject but i think Hitler comparisons are overdone, and usually come from people who know very little about the history of that time.; April 30, 2008 7:41 AM
ed iglehart said...: DEMS FEAR NOMINATING PROCESS MAY
CONTINUE PAST GENERAL ELECTION

U. S. NEWS
Bush Says Tax Rebate Checks Going Out Monday Will Help Economy
If they don’t bounce.
Ethanol Raises Ethical Dilemma
Americans must choose between slightly lower pump prices and worldwide famine.; April 30, 2008 8:10 AM
olestuff said...: It is illogical to assume that a person can listen to the teachings of a minister from his mid 20s to the present, over 20 years, and not be affected by the content of the messages. If one does not agree with the content of the messages, it would seem one would find another minister with whom he does agree or at least feels more comfortable. Why did Obama not do that? The answer seems obvious doesn't it?; April 30, 2008 8:49 AM
Yamaka said...: "Now, I like Hillary overall, and will support her if she is the chosen nominee, but like she said herself, she does have alot of baggage".

True.

Bill Clinton has lots of baggages too because the BigMoneyBags who are supporting Obama are mostly "anti-Bill Clinton" crowd and not "For Obama" crowd (there is a world of difference between the two). They hate him because he was governing by "Triangulation" and hit his political enemies ruthlessly, which is required to govern the country. He managed the wayward Bureaucracies/Agencies with an iron hand to protect the 2 Trillion dollar Treasury from looting by these vultures! That's why there is so much animosity towards Bill Clinton. He served America very well, and not the special interests and the bureaucracies!

The defects you mention are very minor and understandable contextually: but the big picture was awesome when you compare the 8 years of Bill Clinton against the 7.5 years of the Dumb Dubya!

Please tell me why Sen Obama was sitting in the pews for 20 years of Wrights rants of anti-White and anti-American hatred and theology?
He has lot bigger baggages, in my opinion.

Vote for Hillary, the the First Woman POTUS.; April 30, 2008 9:43 AM
Yamaka said...: ariane:

I compared Wright with Adolf Hitler for his speaking style, that's it.

In my opinion, most Germans went with the Furor because of his eloquent speeches. They did not know his evil intent.

I know for a fact Hitler was the most Evil Man of 20th Century.

I didn't mean to say that Wright is of his category.

Cheers.; April 30, 2008 9:49 AM
Unknown said...: I an Nacy PELoosy and I am shocked by Obama’s statement last night. I knew from day one that he is a fake. But I had no choice but to side with him because I want to remain the Bee Queen. He has really ruined me.
The purpose of Obama's famous speech on race was to make Wright seem reasonable, understandable, even mainstream. The Obama campaign's hope, no doubt, was that this would make the Wright story go away. But Wright interpreted it as an invitation. If he's so understandable and mainstream, why not go on a media tour to explain himself to the world? And why not use Obama's own arguments to justify himself and browbeat his critics?
All of this is why it is no use for Obama to backpedal from his association with Reverend Wright, or to denounce him now, six weeks too late. It was Obama who sought to provide the Reverend Wright with immunity from criticism--and he can't complain when the reverend tries to take full advantage of that immunity.
This is the final collapse of the noble promise of the Obama campaign. The man who had once put himself forward as the candidate who would transcend racial politics once and for all has ended up legitimizing a Christian equivalent of Louis Farrakhan--and injecting him into the American political debate.
TRUTH IS NOW OUT. Clinton is leading Obama by 35% in Kentucky. That is really the end of OBAMA like what happened to Gary Hart in 1988 & Howard Dean in 2000.
All the Super Delegates who had voted for Obama should now back out and support Hillary otherwise we will lose Senate & house seats as well and I will lose my speakership. Everybody please listen to your heart and conscience . PLEASE save my Queen Bee status !!!!; April 30, 2008 10:34 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Pabelo It sounds to me that you are really a Hillary basher. Susan Braden and John Hume [Nobel peace Prize winner] both said she had a big part in the peace talks in the Irish peace talks. As far as NAFTA. She was always opposed to it. I'm sorry but wasn't it her duty to back HER HUSBAND the president even though she OPPOSED it. Now I do think that you have some personal issues about Ireland. I'm not going to go through all your list because I don't feel it's necessary. Yes the lie about the sniper fire she apologized for that at the last debate. I'm sorry she does make mistakes. But her mistakes is NOTHING compared to Obamas. He has so many lies I can't keep up with them and why someone would want him to be their President is beyond me but it's a free AMERICA and they can do that. So when you start comparing the two you had better get out 3 papers to Hillary's one because you are going to need it with obama.I will tell you what obama is in my eye's. He is a unpatriotic [his mother country is Africa]and has very questional friends and assoc.So that is why Hillary R. Clinton is going to be our next POTUS in 08!!! Jean; April 30, 2008 10:37 AM
Yamaka said...: "All the Super Delegates who had voted for Obama should now back out and support Hillary otherwise we will lose Senate & house seats"

nancy:

You are right on the money.

Obama is an inspirational speaker, no doubt about it. But the content is hollow and there is no meat in the bone!

His character, judgment and credibility are extremely questionable.

There about 400 undeclared SDs, uncommitted delegates and 32 Edwards' delegates. These Americans will swing towards Hillary to clinch the Nomination.

Yes, the Tide has changed.

Yes, Change is going to come. Yes, we can.. have a Woman POTUS. Yes we will have Hillary the CEO of the mighty US Govt for ALL of US.

Cheers. Keep writing. You are the best, nancy.

:-); April 30, 2008 11:06 AM
Ariane said...: Yamaka, thanks for the clarification.; April 30, 2008 11:11 AM
Pablo said...: Miss Jean, I am hardly a Hillary basher. I think she would do fine as President. Yam stated what were some of the great things about when she was the brain behind Bill, and asked what truly might bother anyone about Hillary. I named just a few that might bother some. Anyone may dispute them.

You mentioned Ireland and John Hume. Now, I think she did play an important part. John Hume did say she played a positive role and gave decisive support to the peace process. Hardly a major player as she made herself sound like, but overstating your importance a tad when running for president I could surely overlook. I just don't think she had to. What she did was important enough. Exactly the same thing with Sniperfire, which I didn't even mention, but you did. True, it was not her job to back her husband for NAFTA as you said, but she did meet with people to help push it. Was she conflicted at the time, perhaps. All I know is now she says she was against it from the beginning but her actions show a little different.

I couldn't agree with Yamaka any more that the years while Bill Clinton as President were enormously better than compared to the last 7+ years. However, the amount of credit I give to Hillary for that is probably much different. And those defects that you shrug off as very minor I am saying may just explain some of her very high negative numbers and why some feel she is untrustworthy.; April 30, 2008 11:35 AM
Yamaka said...: "However, the amount of credit I give to Hillary for that is probably much different. And those defects that you shrug off as very minor I am saying may just explain some of her very high negative numbers and why some feel she is untrustworthy"-pablo

Soon after Yale education, Hillary plunged head on in public service and policy.

Her role model has been the inimitable Eleanor Roosevelt. She did NOT want to be like other First Ladies in Arkansas or in Washington DC.

She has been the sparring partner in every policy debate Bill Clinton had since his days in Yale U.

She has been Bill's Brain - But she did not have the natural people skills of Bill, which she learned every day from him. In short, they both are true partners in good and bad - God's Gift to America.

She is tough as nail, and she will work every minute of every day to bring back the prosperity of 1990s.

She knows how to get things done in Washington, DC. She has an aptitude to control and command the massive bureaucratic structure of US Govt.

Sen Obama has no skill or aptitude to face the onerous wasteful mighty bureaucratic agencies of the Govt.
He said so in one of the many Debates. He wants to be just an Inspirational Speaker. But POTUS requires Vision/Policy AND a skill and aptitude to get things done - that is, ability to execute the policies, which will be lacking with BHO.

Maestro Bill Clinton proved to the entire world his enormous capacity in policy AND governing, and now Hillary is ready to do the job from Day One.

Therefore, Cheer, Smile and Vote for a First Woman POTUS; tear down the Glass Ceiling erected on women in the past 50,000 years. Give hope to our daughters, and Malia and Sasha Obamas! Barack can wait for another 8 years - he will be ready when he is 54-60 years old!!

:-); April 30, 2008 11:57 AM
ed iglehart said...: Nancy,
"All of this is why it is no use for Obama to backpedal from his association with Reverend Wright, or to denounce him now, six weeks too late. It was Obama who sought to provide the Reverend Wright with immunity from criticism--and he can't complain when the reverend tries to take full advantage of that immunity."

I do feel this is a mistake on Obama's part.

"This is the final collapse of the noble promise of the Obama campaign. The man who had once put himself forward as the candidate who would transcend racial politics once and for all has ended up legitimizing a Christian equivalent of Louis Farrakhan--and injecting him into the American political debate."

I disagree. Neither Reverend Wright nor Mr Farrakhan are the beasts as painted by the media. Both have done enormous good work in their respective communities. This is why I think it's a mistake for Obama to denounce them.

The trap which the media and the Hillary/Right have so carefully laid and into which so many, including Obama, have fallen, is "guilt by association" IT IS A LOGICAL FALLACY, and we all know it - SAD!

We all probably associate at times with folk with whom we don't necessarily agree on all matters. If we didn't, we wouldn't have many opportunities for learning.

Salaam, etc.
ed; April 30, 2008 12:23 PM
Yamaka said...: Assalamu Alaikkum, Ed:

"Neither Reverend Wright nor Mr Farrakhan are the beasts as painted by the media."

The problem most people have with these two personalities is they STILL live in 1960 and earlier.

They are adamantly backward in their view of the world: Since the brutal assassination of Dr. King, the White America has changed a lot, a lot to the point Barack Hussein Obama Jr is living in a million-dollar Mansion, and a potential Nominee of the Democratic Party!

Is this not a spectacular CHANGE for the BETTER in the past 40 years? Why can't they see this, so obvious, so enthralling experience?

"We all probably associate at times with folk with whom we don't necessarily agree on all matters."

Agree. But what BHO did is lot different than this!

He has been cheering in the pews whenever Wright gave blistering boisterous sermons from the holy pulpit invoking the images of slave ships and slave masters etc., for the past 20 long summers and winters!

There is a world of difference.

BTW, the liberal media has been praising the charm and cheer of BHO for the past 4 months! Only now, after Wright they are turning away from him.

Yes, the Tide is changing.
Yes, the Change is on the way.
Yes, we Can... elect the First Woman POTUS.

Insha Allah.

Cheers. :-); April 30, 2008 12:45 PM
ed iglehart said...: Yamaka,

"The problem "most people" have with these two personalities is they STILL live in 1960 and earlier."

The problem most people have with these two personalities is that they criticise Israel's persecution of the Palestinians, and "most people" don't know the difference between Judaism and Zionism.

This is Zionism in action

And so is this

And so is this

But, we all know it is politically toxic in the USA to even whisper any criticism of Israel, no matter how many children she murders, so Obama has had to sell his soul to AIPAC, and even without taking any of their dirty money (Hillary has taken loads of it)

SAD!

Until the apartheid wall comes down,

Salaamu Alaykum wa Rahmatullah wa Barakaatuhu

ed; April 30, 2008 1:01 PM
jpsedona said...: Since PA, Obama has picked up 9 SD's to Hillary's 5.

To date, of the 17 add-on's, 12 have committed; Obama's leading 8-4 with 5 uncommitted. Four of the uncommitted are in state's that Hillary won.

The 'common wisdom' was that whoever won the state would likely get the add-ons in the state. This may or may not be true. Since Obama's beaten Hillary by 2-1 in contests, this could be perceived as good news for Hillary. Time will tell, but that in uncommitted add-ons there are 4 in states Hillary won and 1 in states Obama won. Based on states won, she has more add-ons at risk than he does.

There are 11 more add-on's between now and Tuesday. The best guess is that Obama will get the delegates in MD (2), LA (1), SC (1), and IL (3). Hillary should get the 4 delegates in NY. it's certainly possible that Hillary picks up a delegate in a state she didn't win, or that Obama picks up one delegate in NY.

However, if it splits as indicated above, Obama should come away with 7-4 advantage.

This would project that the SD's since PA would give Obama a 16-9 margin (without additional SD endorsements).

Given that Obama's campaign has been rocked by additional Wright controversies, this is a horrible trend for Hillary. In order to gain enough delegates (pledged + SD's) using any criteria you choose, she has to do better than 60% of the SD's that are uncommitted.

Her actual projected results 36%-64% in SD's since her big win in PA. That's not going to get it done.; April 30, 2008 1:10 PM
Yamaka said...: "so Obama has had to sell his soul to AIPAC, and even without taking any of their dirty money (Hillary has taken loads of it)"

You are talking about just one aspect of our failed/failing Foreign Policy.

Yes, I agree that Israel is practicing Apartheid in the Occupied Land, as described by President Carter.

Yes, I want to vigorously enter into a Comprehensive Peace Agreement with Isreal, Palestinians, Syrians, Jordanians, Egyptians and others.

Remember, how much hard work Bill Clinton put in just before he left Office.

Hillary will resume this as vigorously as Bill was.

Your assertion that Obama is NOT taking money from Special Interest Groups, Corporations and BigMoneyBags is just like looking other way, when the murders occur in the broad day light (like Shabra and Shatila Massacre)!

Maybe, he is not taking from AIPAC; but how about other PACs and their surrogates?

Yes, AIPAC is pervasive in American Politics. Is this not their political right (because there are 6 million very rich Jews in its membership)?

Salam.; April 30, 2008 1:21 PM
jpsedona said...: UPDATED:

Since PA, Obama has picked up 10 SD's to Hillary's 6.

To date, of the 17 add-on's, 12 have committed; Obama's leading 8-4 with 5 uncommitted. Four of the uncommitted are in state's that Hillary won.

The 'common wisdom' was that whoever won the state would likely get the add-ons in the state. This may or may not be true. Since Obama's beaten Hillary by 2-1 in contests, this could be perceived as good news for Hillary. Time will tell, but that in uncommitted add-ons there are 4 in states Hillary won and 1 in states Obama won. Based on states won, she has more add-ons at risk than he does.

There are 11 more add-on's between now and Tuesday. The best guess is that Obama will get the delegates in MD (2), LA (1), SC (1), and IL (3). Hillary should get the 4 delegates in NY. it's certainly possible that Hillary picks up a delegate in a state she didn't win, or that Obama picks up one delegate in NY.

However, if it splits as indicated above, Obama should come away with 7-4 advantage.

This would project that the SD's since PA would give Obama a 17-10 margin (without additional SD endorsements).

Given that Obama's campaign has been rocked by additional Wright controversies, this is a horrible trend for Hillary. In order to gain enough delegates (pledged + SD's) using any criteria you choose, she has to do better than 60% of the SD's that are uncommitted.

Her actual projected results 37%-63% in SD's since her big win in PA. That's not going to get it done.; April 30, 2008 1:28 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama Has Dozens Of Secret Superdelegates Lined Up

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/30/senator-says-obama-has-do_n_99386.html

And today's tally so far:

Obama 3
Clinton 1

OBAMA / Kathleen Sebelius '08

p.s. To all the newcomers to the board - Aunt Jean, Jim, and Yamaka are avid Clinton supporters and it is useless to try to talk facts with them 99% of the time.; April 30, 2008 1:41 PM
vwis said...: Jean,

Having blond moments or senior moments is not a selling point for a politician. All I can say is that I respect others and their views even if they are different from mine. As a matter of fact, that's exactly what you like about me. Others argue so viciously that it becomes personal. I prefer to self-exam my views and wish others would do so. I also, think that people are taking this far too personal.

I will say again both candidates are politicians. They cannot not be honest brokers or we would not participate in the political system. I hear people becoming frustrated in America, because of global industrialization is costing us greatly. What we jeopardize is our standard of living. The government is rewarding corporate America to make more profits. We are capitalists. The Heinz Corp. in 2004 gave Bush millions in donations, yet John Kerry & Theresa Heinz Kerry definitely benefited as well. HRC is receiving millions from corporations as well. Barack has only received money from individuals (some of them work in corp). But most of his donations are relatively small. People like you and I are voting with our pocketbooks. It is much more meaningful. He is less tied to them to do political favors.
I'm sure both of them will disappoint us if elected I just believe we will be less disappointed with BHO. That's why he is promising less, so he deliver more. Not all but more.

If Hillary is elected expect commodities to keep soaring. They are to in bed with them. Remember how they made millions in the cattle market when most people lost money. The commodities have always be riskier.

I advise you to vote for whomever you choose. Even defend your ideas. Do not give them too much or it will destroy you and your spirit.; April 30, 2008 1:49 PM
jpsedona said...: Leah,

The HuffingtonPost is extrapolating from the article on Politico.com

The Politico.com article does not identify dozens of SD's ready to jump on the Obama bandwagon. What McCaskill sayas is that most of the SD's on the hill that she's talked to are decided. Her only comment on what way they're decided was:

"Asked which way the committed-but-unannounced superdelegates are leaning, McCaskill — who has endorsed Obama — said: “James Brown would say, ‘I Feel Good.’”

Hardly the basis for a headline reading "Senator: Obama Has Dozens of Secret Superdelegates Lined Up"

IMO, this is typical of the 'journalism' that they apply on HP.; April 30, 2008 2:03 PM
Yamaka said...: As per DCW left last box, this minute,

BHO is ahead a lowly 15 delegates over HRC.

But, we have 327 SDs undeclared besides the 55 uncommitted delegates plus 32 Edward's delegates. Another 408 needs to be apportioned after all the Contests, most of which would go to HRC.

On popular votes, HRC is now ahead by 122K, which according to the US World News would swell to 350-460K by the June 5th. This is very very important to SDs to move en mass towards the First Woman POTUS.

Politico, HP are FAR LEFT's outlets of propaganda journalism of Adolf Hitler's Dr. Goebbels!

Pay attention to the MSM with even handedness if you need to know both sides of the aisle!

Cheer, Smile and Vote for Hillary for REAL POSITIVE CHANGE.

:-); April 30, 2008 2:14 PM
vwis said...: Leah,

Try a different approach.; April 30, 2008 2:15 PM
Pablo said...: Yamaka said "Soon after Yale education, Hillary plunged head on in public service and policy."

During college at Wellesley and then later at Yale she was involved and helping the Republican party, as a "Goldwater girl" if I remember correctly. Even worked for the Goldwater campaign. This never gets much attention and the reason she always mentions 35 years of experience instead of 40. In her time at Yale she did indeed transform into a liberal Democrat and met William Clinton.

I am sure she did many wonderful and important things in those 35 years. It would be nice to describe some of them for us in detail to so we know.

Facts are:
Barack has been an elected official from 1997 - present

Hillary has been an elected official from 2000 - present

Now as important as being first lady in Arkansas and later in the white house, I am of the mind it doesn't truly count as qualified experience, as you are not accountable for anything. In her defense, Bill did task her with the failed try at Universal Health Care reform early in his administration, identical to the one she touts today. Many have said the fact that it failed so miserably with Congress then was not that it was a bad bill but due to more to her ramming down her proposals and not reaching out to others for their advice, help, just getting others names attached and backing it. Just a lack of experience and NOT knowing how to get things done and they way things work.

I will give her credit for alot of other worthy service that I'm sure provided her some insight such as, working with numerous Presidential campaigns starting with McCarthy, teaching at the University of Arkansas school of Law, and chairperson on numerous boards.
But if you count that experience only to turn around and say Obama has no experience, without counting his community organizing, his own University Law teachings of Civil Rights and Constitutional Law, etc., would be disingenious.; April 30, 2008 2:16 PM
jpsedona said...: Yamaka,

As you know, last week the Rules committee announced a 5/31 meeting to consider a plan to give each pledged delegate a 1/2 vote while retaining a full vote for SD's.

What do you think about the latest MI compromise proposal that would allocate pledged delegates with Hillary getting 69 to Obama's 59?

I am wondering whether Hillary's campaign would want to accept this compromise (she wanted 73 delegates based on the vote)?

The 69-59 compromise would give her an additional 1 pledged delegate margin versus the 1/2 vote proposal.

I suspect her acceptance of the 69-59 compromise depends upon how SD's from MI are leaning?; April 30, 2008 2:22 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: DCW's FIRST box on the left is the only one that matters right this minutes since FL and MI DO NOT COUNT at the moment under DNC rules.

Obama pledged - 1490

Obama supers - 242

Obama total - 1732

Clinton plegded - 1336

Clinton supers - 260

Clinton total - 1596

OBAMA leads by +136

OBAMA / Kathleen Sebelius '08

p.s. Watch out for spinners and their propaganda!; April 30, 2008 2:23 PM
Unknown said...: Obama's entire campaign revolved around his great "judgment" about being against the war - being against something that he did not vote on, being against something that he did not have access to all of the classified materials that the people that did vote for the war had - that was his entire thing. My "superior judgment" and "change". What we see with the good Rev Wright and the Obama family is an immersion by the entire family in the church that was lead by his spiritual adviser - the good Rev Wright. No matter how you break it down, Obama cannot get away from this. It shows his total lack of understanding of the population of this country. Taken with his comments to the rich in CA, he shows such a lack of judgment and understanding that I think he would actually be a danger as President of this country.

In his commentary today..4/30--Roland Martin goes on and on and on about what Mr. Teflon (Obama) must do to re-invigorate his campaign after the Wrightwrong Affair......among his "bullet points" he says that he has to remind voters that he is running for President, not Wrightwrong. Hell, I have been making that same point abot Bill Clinton ever since this campaign started.....he's not running for President either.. So, we ought to get down to the real issue here..........TEFLON(OBAMA) LIED TO US....YES, LIED TO US.....BRING ON THE SMELLING SALTS....kind of funny, isn't it.....CNN and the others on the Obama campaign team go on and on and on and on about Hillary's LIE...the Bosnia incident.....but we sort of push away that the Obama lie that his dear beloved UNCLE....HIS MENTOR....HIS PASTOR....has some weird thoughts about this country.....sure in hell Wrightwrong doesn't wear a flag on his lapel either. "But this is not the man that I knew" doesn't cut it.........Obama lied....he ought to stay out of the megachurch scenario....go to church, pray, and don't tell us lies about it. I would be proud to vote for a Black Man...or Woman...for President if he or she were qualified....Colin Powell anyone?......but Teflon is just a bit much, and so is his baggage.

Wright has been preaching the same thing for 20 years. Why did Obama came out just now to denounce him? What was so different about what he said Monday than what he has been preaching all along? Ohhh..yeahh...Obama's ego was hurt when Wright mentioned he just said those things because he is a POLITICIAN....hhahahaha...Obama is a joke. He did not denounce him because of Wright's anti-America rantings. He was angry because Wright threw him under the bus. He is such a drama king. He should become an actor since he is likened to a matinee idol anyway not a candidate for POTUS. Give the American people a break. His popularity is eroding fast and he will say and do anything to get elected. He has very big dreams for a junior senator whom a year ago no one has even heard of. Hillary is the best candidate we have to turn this country around.; April 30, 2008 2:29 PM
jpsedona said...: Yamaka,

Just a suggestion about using Michael Barone from US News & World Report as a source of support for Hillary. He happens to be a conservative and is no admirer of Hillary. Would you use a Rove analysis as a basis for Hillary winning the popular vote?

If you think the support of Fox News, Hannity, Rove, Barone and others is ground swell of support from the conservative right, think again.; April 30, 2008 2:34 PM
vwis said...: akamay,

I wanted to respond to your nasty rumors, but thought better of it. The Obama way to rise above it. Also, I don't think HRC would like her secret out(respect). But, it would explain things to some of the others like Leah. At the same time, some would not see her as favorably, maybe even you.

By the way, how's the pool. Do you actually swim in it or just look at it and brag about it.

One thing we both agree on is TX is the best place to live. I would choose San Marcos, personally, but there are many great places to live in TX. That's what I like about it. Why Houston for you?

Why is it that I enjoy blogging to you and Jean the most. Even though we have different points of view. Maybe we enrich each other. Think of it you and I becoming better people. How far fetched is that?; April 30, 2008 2:34 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah the apple doesn't fall to far from the tree. You sit there with your superior attitude thinking obama is better than Hillary you don't give credit where credit is due. You call her white trash [no you haven't said those very words]but you don't have to say them in order for people to know what you are thinking. You don't fool me one second as you do some others. You have the audacious to say anything ugly when all the things that have come out about obama LIES, unsavory friend,&assco, voted present most of the time [maybe he set a new record] has done very little has only got passed just a few of HIS bills [of course they were about Africa. You may choose to hide your head in the sand you have right as an AMERICAN but I choose to listen and learn about both and their merits. Well I've choosen it's Hillary R. Clinton because she can lead us out of this terrible trouble that Bush and a few others [except Clinton] [He was amazing] the work he did to put this country on the right track and I believe Hillary will do a better job then him. So please stop with the elite [good word] attitude it's not appreciated at all. Jean; April 30, 2008 2:42 PM
jpsedona said...: Yamaka,

Here's a story that's right up your alley. Florida Dems protesting in front of DNC headquarters threatening to block the convention in Denver. Also, the last paragraph is interesting... Harold Ickes told Congressional SD's that Hillary will win the popular vote by 300,000. Of course that would have to include MI where Obama received zero votes.

Angry Floridians; April 30, 2008 2:46 PM
Aunt Jean said...: vwis do you really believe that obama is receiving money just from individuals. I cannot believe that you honestly believe. I believe that he is getting so deep with people that it will take him years to crawl out of it.I'm not saying Hillary hasn't taken her share of money but please don't think he hasn't taken more than his share. I would be willing to bet the bank on it. But I won't hold it against you lol.I still like you. Jean; April 30, 2008 2:50 PM
vwis said...: Nancy,

Rev. Wright is retired. Do you not think that he retired for a reason. Maybe dementia is setting in. 17 years ago he would have been different. We all have them in all our families. BHO was lead to Jesus through this man, he saved him it is hard to turn on that without turning on Jesus.

We've all had people in our lives who were only out for themselves in the end. Short of not associating with anyone, how can we avoid that.

I personally, was impressed by his analytical, cool response. McCain is described as having a bad temper and Hillary is even worse. WH staffers in the 90's claimed that she was like a dust storm wait to erupt. We have some hard issues to look at a cool-head will prevail. They even had nicknames like Hurricane Hillary and pig-pen. Why have so many of Bill staffers in 90's endorsed BHO? (ie. Reich); April 30, 2008 2:52 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Aunt Jean,

You are now resorting to spewing B.S. about me and it is not appreciated.
________________

OBAMA / Kathleen Sebelius '08; April 30, 2008 2:53 PM
vwis said...: ed,

Thanks for the link to the Ironic News. You knew I would appreciate it.; April 30, 2008 2:54 PM
Aunt Jean said...: vwis so far nobody has been able to break my spirit [believe me there has been a lot of people trying] I've been through a heck of a lot of hard times & good times but you know what and this is probably going to sound strange to you but the good times has taught me the most. I'm a very strong woman I've had to be and that's ok. I would rather be a strong woman than a whimp. But I am glad that you might be concerned about my spirit. { it might be the cherokee and irish] in me lol Jean; April 30, 2008 2:59 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah it's not BS I'm not asking anyone to think like I do. So I'm not trying to spread [as you said] BS about you. I just stated my opinion of how you come across to me. Enough said! Jean; April 30, 2008 3:04 PM
vwis said...: Jean,

I already knew that. Not sure if you really meant that the good times taught you the most. For most people it is the opposite. It makes us mentally tough. I personally will go out in a thunderstorm and pray to God and thank him for the bad weather, because it makes me appreciate the good times. It is the bad weather that brings the winds of change into our lives.; April 30, 2008 3:08 PM
Aunt Jean said...: vwis yes I knew that you would think it strange for me to think I learnt more in the good times. What I want [how I want my life to be. The beauty of nature , people even if they think differently.So many wonderful things in life happen to you because you let yourself be open [because things are good] I think when things are bad most people tend to keep to themself so they miss out on a lot of growth [in spirit and mind] and and miss how life as to how it can be. Does that make since. It's a whole lot more than just these few words to me but I thought I could tell a few. Jean; April 30, 2008 3:43 PM
jpsedona said...: For those of you with an interst in popular vote math, here's an article for your enjoyment:

The New Yorker

We haven't heard it yet, but will it be a matter of time before Hillary asks SD's to withhold their votes during the first ballot of the convention???; April 30, 2008 4:00 PM
Anonymous said...: leah,
"p.s. To all the newcomers to the board - Aunt Jean, Jim, and Yamaka are avid Clinton supporters and it is useless to try to talk facts with them 99% of the time."
OK, some facts,
How and why has Obama lost 12 points in the Gallop Daily Tracking poll in about 2 weeks.
Why has he lost ground in Indiana, Kentucky, West Virginia an North Carolina in the Same period?
According to Real Clear Politics current Popular vote count excluding Michigan
Obama +316,916 and the projection of US News for future races Clinton +337,769, she would win the Popular.; April 30, 2008 4:03 PM
Anonymous said...: Link to U.S. News projections
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/4/25/more-projections-on-the-popular-vote-for-clinton-and-obama.html; April 30, 2008 4:07 PM
ed iglehart said...: Yamaka,
"Remember, how much hard work Bill Clinton put in just before he left Office.

Hillary will resume this as vigorously as Bill was."

And endanger her AIPAC funding? Not before Hell freezes!

If Israel had any interest in justice or peace, both would have been in place long ago. You and I are paying the cost of the apartheid wall and Israel's weapons and ammunition, and I don't see any likelihood of an end to that.

In sadness and anger,
Salaam, etc.
ed; April 30, 2008 4:11 PM
Aunt Jean said...: vwis I'm going to get alittle weird here in some peoples eyes. All my life that's how it's been for a few ha ha. I've had several heated debates with my family because I don't think [most of the time]lol like they do.I love people animals and make it a point of trying to remove things out of harms way [you will see me stopping in trafic to get a turdle out of the street things like that. I've had 28 dummped dogs at one time fatten them up and found homes for them [no I didn't keep them in my house] I had a farm in tenn. with 3 pens that was 20x 24 for that purpose [didn't want you to think I was that strange lol] anyway it took me years and I do mean years with the help of a few people that for me I have to look for the good in things and not to take life so seriously. There is beauty in all things you just have to take the time to look for it sometimes. Yes I'm hot tempered but mostly toward injustice in the world.So yes when things are good there is so many things that I see and learn. That's not to say that I don't learn when things are bad. I guess that is why Leah rubs me the wrong way I've met people who are like her and they are narrow minded. They are people that will bring you down just for the simple fact they can and most of the time they do. I know you probably like her and that's ok I don't hold it against you but for me it's a different story.She has been unfair toward Hillary and it get very old.So does that explain me alittle better [hope it's not to bad]lol Jean; April 30, 2008 4:12 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: The ONLY thing that matters...

The number of delegates still needed to win the nomination:

Obama 292
Clinton 427

OBAMA / Kathleen Sebelius '08; April 30, 2008 4:30 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: According to the OFFICIAL OBAMA website:

The number of delegates needed to win the nomination:

Obama 285
Clinton 424

The numbers are pretty close to the DCW numbers.

OBAMA / Kathleen Sebelius '08; April 30, 2008 4:32 PM
Anonymous said...: 1. The Journey;
2. How does one go from being an avid Obama supporter to a Clinton leaner to an avid Clinton supporter?
3. In 2004 I was so impressed by Obama’s speech at the convention. I said to myself, “This a very bright, eloquent and dynamic young man. A future superstar in The Democratic party”
4. I backed Edwards and hoped he would get it and pick Obama as VP.
5. By the time of the Democratic primary in Texas, Edwards was toast, and I switched to Obama hoping he would pick Clinton as VP.
6. I attended the Texas Caucus, being selected as an Obama delegate although I was a little concerned by the influx of
outsiders for Obama (Move-ON.Org people and others) messing with Texas. I assumed Clinton had some of the same so that was OK.
7 I started searching out and reading blogs. I would investigate posts with “Supposed Facts” on both of them. And what I discovered were lies coming from both sides, so still slightly still Obama leaner. The more I read though, the more I witnessed excessive slander against Clinton and just plain Bashing of her.
Over to Clinton and investigating Obama.
Conclusion: He is a slick talking, tentative attractive straw man. He needs a few years under his belt.; April 30, 2008 5:09 PM
Pablo said...: Very interesting Jim.

I always liked Edwards myself, but was a Hillary supporter from the start. The very first time I even noticed Obama was from the same speech at the 2004 convention, but knew little more about him. During the first few debates I thought never thought Obama had distinguished himself much from Edwards. When Edwards dropped I was still for Hillary but had decided by then I'd be happy with either of them.
I instantly lost interest in supporting Hillary the day she said both her and McCain were the only two qualified to run for President. I felt she had thrown her party under the bus for the sake of herself.
Perhaps I see through a slanted lens now, but nothing has changed my mind since.
I'll still support whichever democrat wins the nomination.; April 30, 2008 5:54 PM
Yamaka said...: "Barack has been an elected official from 1997 - present"

From 1997-2004 he was a Part Time Legislator in IL (most of the time he was not in his seat voting: he was outside the building smoking - "present" more than 300 times!!!)

"Hillary has been an elected official from 2000 - present"

Before she got elected to the US Senate, she was a sparring partner with Bill in the Executive Branch: 10 years in Arkansas, 8 years in Oval Office knowing everything that goes on minute by minute. She was NOT serving dinners like most other First Ladies, she was into policy and administrative details.

Oh, Ya She was given the Co-President title by the virulent journalists like Robert Bartley of Wall Street Journal.
_______________________________

jp:

I will prefer seating ALL delegates from MI and FL as per the choice of the voters.

BHO removed his name voluntarily from MI, his tactical move to pander to other early States, I surmise. His move is his right.
_________________________________

vwis:

I am enjoying my blue sparkling pool everyday, after a 5-mile power walk!

Houston has the largest Biomedical Research Center in the World, the ideal place for my practice and research!
___________________________________

Ed

I am optimistic that real peace will come to Palestinians and Israelis in about 4-8 years.
_________________________________

Cheers. :-); April 30, 2008 6:00 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: According to the OFFICIAL OBAMA website:

The number of delegates needed to win the nomination:

Obama 285
Clinton 424

The numbers are pretty close to the DCW numbers.

OBAMA / Kathleen Sebelius '08; April 30, 2008 6:05 PM
Yamaka said...: According to the OFFICIAL OBAMA website:

BHO has already moved to

1600 Pennsylvania Ave!!!!

Keep reading the Official Osama site to know the total truth.

Ooooops I meant Obama site!

Smile and Cheer for a Change!; April 30, 2008 6:44 PM
Pablo said...: Not to quibble, and I could be wrong, but looking it up real quick it shows Obama voted present 129 times while voting on over 4000 measures during his 8 years in the Illinois Senate. If you were familiar with Illinois legislature of which I am not, it's said to be a common practice to vote present on measures for instance you may be in favor of a particular bill but not comfortable whether of not it's constitutional. They also commonly vote this way as a party or issue bloc strategy.

Obama was the only lawmaker voting "present" on bills winning near unanimous support, even on issues he supported and on one he sponsored.

Pam Sutherland is the president and CEO of the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council. In his defense she says Obama voted "present" at least seven times to provide cover to other abortion-rights supporters. this was more-so to protect other senators whose vote would be used against them in their campaigns.

Yamaka wrote "8 years in Oval Office knowing everything that goes on minute by minute"
I suppose here we will continue to disagree. If only her white house schedules that were released proved this. if fact Newsweek did a story after she released her notes of how bare her schedule was after her failed Health reform fiasco and many curious deletions on important days. They do note her appearance on the Oprah Winfrey show and her radio show interviews to promote her book "It Takes a Village", so I guess that's something. I'll give her full credit for that.; April 30, 2008 7:25 PM
ed iglehart said...: I am optimistic that real peace will come to Palestinians and Israelis in about 4-8 years."

Optimistic is the right word. I'd say over-optimistic. It has been sixty years already since al Nakba began, and, so far it's just got worse...

Would you care to venture a guess as to how peace is likely to be achieved? If you reckon it'll come via the "road map". you haven't read it, or the Israeli "reservations", e.g.:

"The character of the provisional Palestinian state will be determined through negotiations between the Palestinian Authority and Israel. The provisional state will have provisional borders and certain aspects of sovereignty, be fully demilitarized with no military forces, but only with police and internal security forces of limited scope and armaments, be without the authority to undertake defense alliances or military cooperation, and Israeli control over the entry and exit of all persons and cargo, as well as of its air space and electromagnetic spectrum."

Some "state"!

Salaam, etc.
ed; April 30, 2008 7:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Pablo,
You said
"Obama voted "present" at least seven times to provide cover to other abortion-rights supporters. this was more-so to protect other senators whose vote would be used against them in their campaigns."

Guess I'm dense, but I fail to see the logic. Voting for a bill to relieve others from having to do so makes a little sense, but not present. Present is abstaining in my book.
Please enlighten me.; April 30, 2008 7:41 PM

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