Democratic Convention Watch: Open Thread

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Ariane said...: To emit r detsaw
I would like to thank you for your thoughtful comments on here (and also for your military service).
You wrote recently, "I like to take the time to fully investigate. In the case of the Trinity Church and Rev Wright, that meant listening to full sermons and looking at the good or bad that the church does. I'll have to tell you, the majority of the sound bites are taken completely out of context. In fact, with the 9/11 comments he was quoting a poitician. That sermon was about Americans and people coming together to help each other. There have been many people come forward and state that the church was not like that when they attended. If you can find me a video or proof that Obama was in the pews the days anything anti-american was being said, I'ld like to research that, but I haven't come across any of those.
That being said, what Rev Wright said this past weekend was way out in left field. As people age, some change to more angry and bitter stances and let their voices be heard when they should just go away. "

I am so very glad for Americans like you who are able to be open minded and care enough about truth to take the time to check things out beyond what we are spoon-fed by an irresponsible media that thrives on conflict.... or skilful right-wing propaganda disguised as "fair and balanced", where "reporters" are told daily by the execs what to say.
I am one of those people you mention who has been to that church. I love gospel music and enjoy the radio and TV broadcasts from local churches here in Chicago, and started listening to Trinity and I was so impressed that I visited multiple times. I can tell you that the things in the now infamous soundbites were and are not the constant tone of this church. Rev. Dr. Wright did not say such extreme things all the time! He preached the Gospel, he took seriously the Great Commission. He talked about our relationship with God and with each other. He did talk about social issues especially helping those less fortunate, and about responsibility for yourself and your family and your community, and yes, also racism, which a lot of the church members face.... but he has never said all people of any group are bad, and he said we are all God's Children no matter our color.

It is SICKENING how this wonderful vibrant, church where worshipers of ANY race are warmly welcomed, has been portrayed like some kind of racist, black separatist cult and even equated to violent racist groups like the KKK. Wright has said some controversial things I disagree with, but I'm sure he never committed or advocated violence (outside of when he was a U.S. Marine.)
One thing people keep saying is "How could Obama have his children hearing such sermons?" But the children are not there for the main sermon. They have their own children's church service with Bible readings and singing.

For anyone else like Emit R Detsaw who is trying to understand what is this church and WHY people would go to it...
* A good source for info is a blog The Truth About Trinity United Church of Christ that has gathered various information, videos, articles, writing from members & others. http://truthabouttrinity.blogspot.com

* Watch the Bill Moyers Intv. of Dr. Wright for a glimpse of his history and that of the church and discussion of some ideas and the controversy. Also see other links from this. http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/profile.html

* watch or listen to the whole sermons that contained the controversial soundbites
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-rev-jeremiah-wrights-911-sermon/
"Confusing God and Government" (now known as GD America sermon)
http://essence.typepad.com/news/2008/03/the-full-story.html
*Definitely check out some of Wright's other sermon videos on the TRINITY YouTube channel. http://www.youtube.com/user/TRINITYCHGO.
One of my favorite clips that I think conveys the spirit of Trinity, is titled "Jeremiah Wright and Total Praise." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A04oMn6XNE I love it for the music and for Wright's obvious strong faith and love for God and for his fellow humans. Incidentally you can see it is clearly not a "black separatist church"

*Letter to Chicago Tribune from William von Hoene, a member of Trinity United Church of Christ for 26 yrs, and a White man married to an African American woman; it includes a long ago anecdote about what happened when his then-fiancée broke up with him because of race and how Rev. Wright responded as a pastor. Von Hoene also writes: "Wright has overseen and constructed a support system for thousands in need on the South Side that is far more impressive and effective than any governmental program possibly could approach. " http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0326trinitymar26,0,2414760.story

*Rev Jane Fisler Hoffman letter about her experience as a Trinity member. (She is Caucasian.) She also made a video you can find via the truthabouttrinity blog. http://www.scncucc.org/email_news_calendar/WhatisallofthisaboutTrinityUnitedChurchofChrist.htm

Wright's former teacher, mentor and friend Dr. Martin Marty (a white theology professor, who regularly visited Trinity) defends his character while disagreeing with some of his views. http://chronicle.com/free/v54/i30/30b00101.htm

P.S. You mentioned "proof Obama was in the pews"....I wanted to mention that there was a false claim published by NewsMax (another rightwing propaganda mouthpiece) that Obama was in the church for an anti-American sermon....this has been proven a LIE since Obama was speaking at an event in Florida the day the liar of a "reporter" claimed in a made-up story to have been at the church and seen him nodding in agreement, and the timing made it absolutely impossible he could have been in both places. These fake "news" organizations are very dangerous, and some people have believed this story, never seeing the proof it was false and not realizing how unreliable NewsMax is.; May 07, 2008 8:02 AM
ed iglehart said...: Ariane,

Thanks for posting all those links. I've long been in the "Emit Club", and have already been to most of those links. Dr Wright brings me to tears of compassion ans empathy, and I would be certain to attend, should I ever be in Chicago.

In the long run, I hope the attempts to establish "guilt by association" will have the opposite effect. Personally, I'm among those for whom Obama's appeal is heightened by his membership of such a congregation.

Salaam/Shalom/Shanthi/Dorood/Peace
Namaste -ed; May 07, 2008 8:17 AM
Dave in NC said...: lee,

I agree with ed. There hasn't been a single Democratic president in well over a hundred years who was elected on a second attempt.

In fact, outside of Reagan, Nixon and (maybe) Bush 41, I can't think of anyone who pulled off that trick.

To answer your question, though, I would still support Obama in '12.

I will never support Clinton given a reasonable Democratic choice.

I think Clinton is going to have a fight to keep her Senate seat, remember she won it by default as her Republican opponent dropped out over a sex scandal.

If she succeeds in damaging the Democratic Party in November, look for a strong primary challenge for her.; May 07, 2008 9:03 AM
ed iglehart said...: PEOPLE

Report: Nelson Mandela on Terrorist Watch List
Authorities don't want him bringing his anti-apartheid message here.

ENTERTAINMENT
After Six-Year Hiatus, Mel Gibson to Star in Thriller About Cop
Who tangles with drunken anti-Semite.

Woooooooo!

xx
ed; May 07, 2008 9:40 AM
RobH said...: An interesting tidbit from exit polls in Indiana. Check this math:

1,254,000 Dem votes cast
7% self identified as Reb = 87K votes
Broke 55%/35% Clinton/Obama
Votes were approx 48K to 30K = 18K net gain to Clinton.

How many of those 48K voters crossed over to support HRC because they desire her to be Pres and support her policies vs. how many were "Operation Chaos" votes?

At the end of the day, Hillary won Indiana, fair and square. The final tally will show 2%. But her 22K total vote margin derived almost entirely from "OC" Republican votes (like Texas.) My head tells me the real margin was under half a percent. (But I'm NOT going to round, OK?); May 07, 2008 9:40 AM
UUbuntu said...: Dave, Ed -- I believe that Lee refers to the 2012 general election, not the 2012 primary. Right Lee?

To answer Lee -- while I am a Clinton supporter in 2008 (and will remain so until she concedes, or when Obama mathematically clinches the nomination), I believe that most of the Obama supporters on this board would have endorsed Clinton over McCain in 2008, should she have won the nomination. I assume that would also happen in 2012, though 4 years is a long time.

Certainly, if McCain is elected and he accomplishes the following 4 items in his first term, I will support his reelection:

1. Ends the war in Iraq, and reduces our troop level to a fewer than 5000.
2. Closes Guantanamo Bay and repudiates torture/rendition on a policy (not political) level -- declaring support for the universal declaration of human rights.
3. Nominates Supreme Court Justices in the mold of Souter, Ginsburg and Breyer instead of Alito and Roberts
4. Endorses the Kyoto protocol and works to expand the US role in confronting climate change in a substantive and international manner.

As of today, I see no evidence of his working towards 1, 2 or 3. His rhetoric on 4 is good though.

2012 will be a reelection year. Reelections aren't about the challenger. They are a referendum about the incumbent's job performance. I will judge a McCain presidency the same way I judged Bush's, Clinton's, Bush's, Reagan's and Carter's. In my opinion, the only person who deserved reelection was Jimmy Carter in 1980, and he was the only one who got my vote.; May 07, 2008 9:51 AM
Bull Schmitt said...: Why does Sen. Clinton and her surrogates continue to point out how much Sen. Obama is outspending them? Isn't that an argument for campaigns battling against the early 'inevitable' candidate, before their message has a chance to gain traction?

I think this raises "serious concerns" about Sen. Clinton. Why is she lending her own campaign $11.4 million, and promising more? If her message is so strong, if her support is so solid - why can she not compete financially in the final stages of a campaign?

Imagine yourself as a Superdelegate - how do you interpret these financial numbers as anything but the Clinton campaign choking from lack of air (money)?

Tongue in cheek aside, I really think this has been a bad argument for them all along.; May 07, 2008 9:54 AM
Anonymous said...: I had a long night.
Goncratulations to Obama on his win in NC.
To Clinton for winning the tie breaker.
Dave, thanks for the beer.
On to the next state.; May 07, 2008 10:03 AM
Anonymous said...: I don't know who made the post, but it is a sad thing to see the racist look to the vote so far.; May 07, 2008 10:06 AM
ed iglehart said...: Tyler,

Good shopping list. I concur, and,

"In my opinion, the only person who deserved reelection was Jimmy Carter in 1980, and he was the only one who got my vote."

Hear here!

Bull,

I agree, and have observed that donated dollars from individuals are a rather good proxy for votes, and bode well for the General Election.

Similarly, a lack of big contributions from the super-rich or interest groups merely indicates they've got the ability to recognise a loser.

I have suspected HRC might have been staying in the race for the simple reason that she needs to continue to raise funds to cover her deficit. Does anyone know if it's illegal (I know it's immoral) to continue to solicit funds for a campaign which has been terminated?

xx
ed; May 07, 2008 10:06 AM
ed iglehart said...: Also, I'm curious whether HRC's loans to her own campaign will receive precedence over other creditors (caterers, premises, services, etc.) when things eventually wind up. Anybody know how many simple honest folk are likely to get stiffed?

xx
ed; May 07, 2008 10:10 AM
Woody3715 said...: RobH

Your math is correct as far as it goes:

1,254,000 Dem votes cast
7% self identified as Reb = 87K votes
Broke 55%/35% Clinton/Obama
Votes were approx 48K to 30K = 18K net gain to Clinton.

But if only six thousand of those eighteen thousand "OC" Republican votes not only are taken from HRC but added to Obama's total, Obama wins Indiana.

I think its fair to say that HRC may owe her narrow win to Rush Limbaugh.; May 07, 2008 10:20 AM
ed iglehart said...: Edwards endorses!; May 07, 2008 10:24 AM
Bull Schmitt said...: Ed -

I'm positive you can keep raising money to retire a campaign debt forever.. I heard last night that it took John Glenn 20 years to retire his from a Presidential run. The question may be if there is a deal to be cut with Sen. Obama at this point?

Seriously, anyone contributing to Sen. Clinton right now may as well just send their checks directly to disgraced-pollster Mark Penn.

In other news, John McCain addresses a Senior Center, rails against the evil internet and pornography. (He's also scheduled for an appearance in the park this afternoon where he's expected to yell at a cloud.); May 07, 2008 10:25 AM
Yamaka said...: Good Morning Democrats.

Another cloudy day in Houston.

Our Candidates are really working hard to get to the hearts and souls of the American Electorate. Good for them. Real closely fought campaigns bring the best out of them, to prepare them against a formidable foe, John McCain in the Fall.

Let the fight continue, and see how the next 6 Contests unfold.

Sen BHO is leading 26.5 total delegates and about 87K popular votes when we include ALL votes cast so far (Option 6, Left Last Box of DCW). Good for him, for HE is the bona-fide Front Runner.

However, our Million Dollar Girl - Sen Clinton can still turn the tide around: She has 1890 total delegates. Of the 217 delegates outstanding in 6 Contests, if she gets 55% (119) and of the undeclared 305.5 SDs if she gets 66% (200), then the math is
1890 + 119 + 200 = 2209, just above the hurdle for Nomination as per ALL 50 State Strategy. This is doable. Yes...We Can Do It.

Therefore, Hillary supporters, not all is lost. We can win this Nomination, provided the Democratic Party becomes the Party of ALL Fifty States, for ALL the people in the Union.

If the Party fails, get ready to descend on Denver to form the massive Human Chain to destroy the Convention.

Because, in a very close Primary like this ALL votes cast MUST be counted, and their Delegates MUST be seated. This only gives legitimacy to the entire process.

Go Hillary Go.

Our BHO supporters, let us go to war in KY, WV and PR very soon. We will have the blow-out there, much bigger than your NC!

Cheer, Smile and Vote for Hillary the First Woman POTUS.

:-); May 07, 2008 10:35 AM
Subodh said...: DNC members from Michigan and Florida have filed challenges with the DNC to seat the Florida and Michigan delegations. The process being followed to adjudicate these challenges is completely consistent with the DNC rules. The Rules and Bylaws Committee (RBC) is the DNC body charged with dealing with these challenges until the 56th day before the convention, and its process is public and transparent.
The membership of the RBC does not - in large part - turn over. A former Secretary of Labor, and the grandson of FDR who is a long time party activist and has been a co-chair of the committee for several election cycles chair it. Other members include a former chair of the party, Al Gore’s Campaign Manager (who is a former co-chair of the RBC as well), and an executive board member of the NAACP. Although the RBC is comprised of people who support both candidates, these people take their roles as party activits seriously.

The DNC process will decide the fate of the Florida and Michigan delegations. It is an open and transparent process -- unlike the backroom deals proposed by the Obama campaign that would disenfranchise the nearly 2.5 million people who voted in Florida and Michigan.

Did Obama take his name off the Michigan ballot because he didn't think he could win anyway? Why did some of the voters vote uncommitted. Give Obama the uncommitted votes in Michigan. He was on the ballot in Florida, so give him the votes he won there. Absolutely give Hillary the votes she received in both states. The Party was wrong to punish those voters. Punishment for the state party leaders should not punish the voters. That goes against the democratic principles the Party has stood for. No more caucus selections, and no more throwing out the people's votes!

If Al Gore had not been cheated out of the election in 2000, we might not have suffered through the last eight years or this devisive campaign. There is that little "if" word again.
Hillary is the strongest candidate in this race. Let us pray that she wins. The Party has a lot of work to do to clean up its act. Otherwise, it will be in more trouble than it appears right now.
Thanks, Al Gore, for all you have done and all of the good work you continue to do!

Hillary has a better chance than Obama of beating Republican McCain, according to a new Associated Press-Ipsos poll that bolsters her argument that she is more electable in the fall than her rival for the Democratic nomination.

The survey released Monday gives Hillary a fresh talking point as she works to convince pivotal undecided superdelegates to side with her in the drawn-out Democratic primary fight.
Hillary, who won the Pennsylvania primary, has gained ground this month in a hypothetical head-to-head match up with the GOP nominee-in-waiting; she now leads McCain, 50 percent to 41 percent, while Obama remains virtually tied with McCain, 46 percent to 44 percent.
No, caucuses shouldn't count! The primary voters should all count because as said before, neither candidate will reach the 2025 pledge delegates so the super delegates should go based on electability & popular vote from all the primaries. You guys say we have 50 States right? Well remember that when the DNC counts FL & MI its because we have 50 States and not 48!

If you include Florida & MI, Clinton is behind only by 26 votes and she can easily overcome this deficit with the remaining delegates.; May 07, 2008 10:37 AM
Dave in NC said...: Jim,

As we know, you owe me the beer.

My prediction: 15-20 points
Your prediction: 5-7 points
Actual: 14.83 points

I think from here, it's on to the GE, not the next primary.

The spray has been applied, we are just waiting for the insects to die.; May 07, 2008 10:55 AM
Bull Schmitt said...: From today's Clinton conference call:

The Clinton campaign conference starts on a deliberately high note: Howard Wolfson notes, cheerily, that it's a beautiful day in Arlington.

Geoff Garin talks about Indiana, "a close outcome, but an outcome about which we feel very, very good."

And Garin brags, specifically and explicitly, about her strength with the white vote, comparing North Carolina's white voters in North Carolina to those in Virginia. (The conversations have always been about these voters, but they're usually referred to as "blue collar" or by some less specifically racial euphemism.)

- - - - - - - - - - - -

Is the Clinton campaign playing the race card harder than ever? They are losing the AA vote 91-7 now.. if they claim that Sen. Obama would be unable to get her voters, why would they think they can get his voters in a G.E.?

I believe this raises "serious concerns" about the Clinton campaign. How can a Democrat win a national election without any African American support? What does it say about people that are telling their own party that "America won't vote for the black guy"?

This is from the same people who say that because Hillary Clinton and John McCain won their respective New York primary - this means that McCain would surely defeat Sen. Obama in New York State in the general election. I believe this raises "serious concerns" that people smoking the chronic are allowed this close to the levers of power in our government, much less around heavy machinery.

Tongue in cheek aside, Wolfson and Garin's arguments about electability are really getting close to saying "Look at us, we're officially racists now".; May 07, 2008 10:55 AM
Yamaka said...: Behind the Numbers:

BHO's 14% blow-out win in NC belies the underlying danger there.

NC has 30% Black electorate, and 90% of them went for BHO, the "Black-like" candidate. Nearly 60% of Whites went for HRC. This margin keeps increasing because of White Flight from BHO.

If this trend of racial polarization continues then I think he is a toast. In the remaining six States, WV, KY, PR will for sure go big way for HRC. The question is whether the Whites in Orge, Mont and SD would prefer a Black candidate with messy character or not. I have my own doubt considering what happened in VA, MS and NC where Blacks deserted HRC on the color of the skin. Then why would Whites go for BHO?

Therefore, BHO supporters, be cautious of what you wish for. You may fall on your own sword of racial politics, started and perpetrated by BHO and his BigMoneyBags.
________________________________

Subodh and others:

I will not give ALL the "uncommitted votes" in MI to BHO, who deserves only a portion of it. I will divide that vote by the number of people competing at that time in Jan minus 1 for HRC. Giving ALL to BHO is not just right. Assuming the voters meant to give ALL to him is just wrong. Perhaps, as a compromise, I will go for 1/4 of the Uncommitted to BHO, not more.
_________________________________
Cheer, Smile and Vote for Hillary, the First Woman POTUS; May 07, 2008 11:05 AM
ed iglehart said...: Yamaka,

"Our BHO supporters, let us go to war in KY, WV and PR very soon. We will have the blow-out there, much bigger than your NC!"

And how many net delegates do you expect from this 'blowout'?; May 07, 2008 11:08 AM
Martin said...: "I will not give ALL the "uncommitted votes" in MI to BHO, who deserves only a portion of it. I will divide that vote by the number of people competing at that time in Jan minus 1 for HRC. Giving ALL to BHO is not just right. Assuming the voters meant to give ALL to him is just wrong. Perhaps, as a compromise, I will go for 1/4 of the Uncommitted to BHO, not more."

You can come up with all the imaginary scenarios you want. YOU have NO say in it! I'm sorry your candidate has lost, but do not delude yourself: SHE. HAS. LOST. It's over.; May 07, 2008 11:11 AM
ed iglehart said...: Dave,

"As we know, you owe me the beer.

My prediction: 15-20 points
Your prediction: 5-7 points
Actual: 14.83 points"

B.b.b.b.but....that's resorting to rounding!; May 07, 2008 11:12 AM
Dave in NC said...: ed,

No it doesn't.

I was closer.

You can even truncate.

I was closer.

You can even take out 2% for the moronic Rushies that tried to participate in OC but pushed the Obama button by mistake.

I was closer.

No rounding, no spin, just facts.; May 07, 2008 11:18 AM
Yamaka said...: To our BHO supporters:

Enjoy your double-digit blow out in NC. You deserved it.

But you will have lots of hang-over! Lots of thinking to do.

Your BHO just got about 16 million votes, which is good, but not good enough for the GE, when you need the bulk of HRC people and about another 36 million voters who have not voted in the Primary.

In my mind from the way you all behave very disrespectfully towards HRC and her supporters, I will recall 1980. Carter had the Nomination, but Ted Kennedy refused to shake his hands, and the rest is history: Reagan won a landslide with more than 500 EV. Remember in your pea brain that this can potentially happen, because it did happen between two FAR LEFT Liberal candidates Kennedy & Carter.

Therefore, HRC a centrist, a moderate need NOT shake the hands of the FAR LEFT Bleeding Liberal who has fuzzy talk and a messy character.

Plus most of the other 36 million voters out there are near centrists who can lean little Left or little Right. They ARE NOT FAR LEFT lovers, for sure.

Therefore, think hard and act right, if not your BHO would get only 100 EV to hit the dust in the GE.

Behave right, fellows!

And, in the Victory Speech BHO mentioned this: "my father's coffin was wrapped in US Flag". Did this happen at all? He was a Kenyan who died of a drunken car accident. How in the world his coffin wrapped in US Flag? Please clarify.

Is this another LIE by the pathological Liar?

Cheer, Smile and Vote for Hillary for POSITIVE REAL CHANGE.

:-); May 07, 2008 11:22 AM
Dave in NC said...: Yam,

If you go to WV, you will be at war.

They only like WASPS there.

They will vote for for Clinton because they prefer a white woman over a black man.

But they will vote for McCain in November (just like they voted for Bush in '00 & '04) because they prefer a man over a woman.

WV, the highest percent Democrats in the country and the one state that was not close enough to even consider a recount in '00 & '04.

Yes, those are the people we want chosing our president.; May 07, 2008 11:24 AM
Bull Schmitt said...: Of all the Appalachian states, West Virginia is the Appalachiest. Not determinative.; May 07, 2008 11:28 AM
Anonymous said...: Dave,
Good try, no cigar.
The bet was whether my 3% or your 30% would be closer.Go back and reread the posts.
As I said May 31 is the key date and unless Obama can convert some on the rules and bylaws committee
Mi and FLA will be seated.; May 07, 2008 11:32 AM
Dave in NC said...: Yam,

In the case of MI, Clinton was on the ballot and everyone who even thought they might want to vote for her DID.

She received 55% of the vote and, under no circumstances should be awarded more than 55% of the delegates.

That leaves the remaining 45% for Obama on a pledged basis.

Remember, Dean has said that there will be no resolution that does not recieve approval from both candidates.

Clearly Obama will not go for you absurd calculations.; May 07, 2008 11:35 AM
ed iglehart said...: HRC's margin in Indiana continues to fall, and is now only 18440, so it's even more likely to be purely due to Operation Chaos.
xx
ed; May 07, 2008 11:39 AM
Dave in NC said...: Jim,

I not only re-read the posts, I compiled and reposted the posts.

The bet came after I stated FOR THE SECOND TIME that my prediction was 15-20%.

You then backed off and said your prediction was 5-7%.

I THEN said we have predictions we can bet a beer on and you agreed.

The question that you NEVER respoded to, however, was:

How's that recount in Guam working for ya?; May 07, 2008 11:40 AM
Dave in NC said...: Jim,

BTW, the bet was a beer, not a cigar.

If Clintonistas are so good revising history, they should have no problem revising the future so she can somehow be president.

NOT.; May 07, 2008 11:42 AM
Dave in NC said...: Jim,

You might as well hit Vegas instead of Augusta in August.

If you are going to need as many mulligans as you are willing to give Clinton, your odds are going to be better on the roulette wheel than on the golf course.

:); May 07, 2008 11:46 AM
Anonymous said...: Dave,
I went back and re-read. You won.
Yoy can pick it up in Myrtle Beach in Aug.; May 07, 2008 11:51 AM
Dave in NC said...: Bull,

"Appalachiest" is not a word. The superlative of Appalachian is "most inbred".

But, your description, not mine.

:); May 07, 2008 11:51 AM
GatorsChampions4Ever said...: Last night was certainly interesting. Hello to all the new bloggers(ariane, Tyler, Bull Schmitt, etc.) Welcome. Congratulations to Senator Obama on his victory in North Carolina and to Senator Clinton on her victory in Indiana. Despite what the media says, this race is far from over. Math is not on Senator Clinton's side, but as I saw on here before, after last night, Senator Clinton is still running well ahead of Senator McCain whereas Senator Obama is in a virtual tie with Senator McCain. My questions are:

After last night's victory in North Carolina, why is Senator Clinton still polling better against Senator McCain than Senator Obama?

Why are we not holding Senator Obama to his word when he said ''Indiana will be the tie-breaker''? He never once mentioned margin, just that it would be the tie-breaker.

The next few days will be crucial to the campaigns. Superdelegates need to look at polling numbers and go with their head rather than their heart.

Also 2 other things:

1. I see some of my blogging friends have left(leah, somerled, etc.), but I will ask this: Why is it that we only hear negativity about Senator Clinton on here and not what she has actually done for the state of New York and what she could do if she were President? Why bring up old, worn out controversies about Senator or President Clinton? I have constantly defended you leah, and would continue to do so, but a thank you every once in a while would be nice.

2. ed, you are the most famous of all the bloggers, seeing as how I googled your name and tons of stuff have come up about you. You certainly are sophisticated, clear, and decisive in your argument for Senator Obama, but some of your most recent comments have been a little............strange.; May 07, 2008 11:53 AM
Anonymous said...: Dave,
I am better at golf than JR. is at bowling; May 07, 2008 11:53 AM
Oreo said...: We have created a new Open Thread here

The link on the top left also points to the new Open Thread.; May 07, 2008 11:54 AM
Dave in NC said...: Jim,

Thank you, and like I said, the second round is on me.

We have a condo in North Myrtle near Bearfoot Landing, so that is not out of the question.; May 07, 2008 11:54 AM
GatorsChampions4Ever said...: bull schmitt. No one ever said Senator McCain would defeat Senator Obama in New York.

Do you honestly think that if Senator Clinton were the nominee, the AA would stay home?; May 07, 2008 11:56 AM
Dave in NC said...: Jim said...
Dave,
I am better at golf than JR. is at bowling

Jim, I hope so, or else you would be dangerous.

:); May 07, 2008 11:57 AM
GatorsChampions4Ever said...: Dave in NC. Are you demeaning the good folks of West Virginia?; May 07, 2008 12:00 PM
Dave in NC said...: Gator,

No sir, I was born and raised there.; May 07, 2008 12:02 PM
Yamaka said...: "That leaves the remaining 45% for Obama on a pledged basis."

Technically, is that not still called
"Uncommitted"?

Ask you buddies, one of them said this earlier.

Plus, all this can be settled only at the Convention in late Aug.

Can BHO reunite and unify the Party just two months? He needs the help of Maestro Clinton to bring the Magic. Do not even think of disrespecting him, for he is the only two term Democratic President alive who can deliver the Party another victory - it just cannot be done by BHO the FAR LEFT Liberal!

Wait and See!

Let us focus on War in WV for now!

:-); May 07, 2008 12:03 PM
Amot said...: Post-Wright summary

Popular vote:
PA: Obama 1046822, Clinton 1260937
NC: Obama 897017, Clinton 660747
IN: Obama 623294, Clinton 641734

Total: Obama 2567133, Clinton 2559962

Obama + 3715

Pledged delegates:
PA: Obama 73, Clinton 85
NC: Obama 66, Clinton 49
IN: Obama 34, Clinton 38

Total: Obama 173, Clinton 172

Obama +1

I haven't included the GU caucus since I know you HRC folks hate caucuses!
And I haven't included the obvious supers trend...

2/3(in number of delegates) of Post-Wright contests are gone, and who is still losing?; May 07, 2008 12:05 PM
Dave in NC said...: GatorsChampions4Ever said...

After last night's victory in North Carolina, why is Senator Clinton still polling better against Senator McCain than Senator Obama?

BECAUSE THERE HAS NOT BEEN TIME FOR NEW POLLS TO BE TAKEN

Why are we not holding Senator Obama to his word when he said ''Indiana will be the tie-breaker''? He never once mentioned margin, just that it would be the tie-breaker.

WHY ARE WE NOT HOLDING CLINTON TO HER WORD WHEN SHE SAID TX AND OH WOULD BE DEAL CLOSERS? SHE DID MENTION MARGINS - MARGINS THAT DID NOT MATERIALIZE

The next few days will be crucial to the campaigns. Superdelegates need to look at polling numbers and go with their head rather than their heart.

WHAT SUPERS DO LOOK AT IS THEIR POLITICAL FUTURE, NOT THE DESPERATE WISHES OF STAR STRUCK CLINTONISTAS. I HAVE HEARD MANY DELEGATES REFER TO NOT REVERSING DELEGATE COUNT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER MANY OF THEM TALKING ABOUT THEIR PERCEPTION OF ELECTABILITY OVERRULING THE PERCEPTION OF THE ELECTORATE THAT HAS JUST SPENT MONTHS OFFERING THEIR OPINIONS AT THE BALLOT BOX

...Why is it that we only hear negativity about Senator Clinton on here and not what she has actually done for the state of New York and what she could do if she were President?

SHE HAS DONE NOTHING, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, FOR NEW YORK EXCEPT EXPAND THE MARKET FOR CARPET BAGS.

WHY DON'T THE CLINTONISTAS POINT OUT SPECIFICS ABOUT HER SO-CALLED ACCOMPLISHMENTS INSTEAD ON OFFERING UP NEGATIVITY TOWARDS OBAMA?

Why bring up old, worn out controversies about Senator or President Clinton?

THE SAME REASON WE KEEP HEARING MUSLIM HUSSEIN KENYA MUSLIM WRIGHT INDONESIA MUSLIM

ed, you are the most famous of all the bloggers, seeing as how I googled your name and tons of stuff have come...

FOR EVERY ED THERE IS AN AUNT JEAN.

AND YOUR POINT IS...?; May 07, 2008 12:16 PM

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