Democratic Convention Watch: Open Thread

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

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apissedant said...: Well I'm glad we've all come to an understanding here. It is very noble that Dave, Jean, and soft are all willing to pay the piper in order to stop the suffering of the Trumps, McCains, Gates, Bushes, Roves, and Lays. I remember a heartbreaking story several years ago after the fall of Enron. Keneth's poor wife was interviewed, and you could not imagine her terrible situation. They had to sell their Aspen home, and were forced to rent one for their month+ vacation. She was heartbroken and hurt, and the workers had the audacity to blame her, yell at her, and speak about how great she had it. THE NERVE!

It may have taken a few drinks, but we have soft on board now. She understands, as we do, the plight of the executives and owners. We cannot continue to put them through these hardships. Yacht sales have continued slumping, and that is just bad news for all of us depending on the American economy.

I am very proud of you three for finally coming around. Soft, when you sober up, you better not start gnawing on your arm to get awy from your words.; July 14, 2008 10:58 PM
apissedant said...: Soft,
Why Sugar Mountain and not Snowshoe?; July 14, 2008 10:59 PM
apissedant said...: Soft,
I don't think you're actually drunk, but I've decided to interpret your posts that way anyways, because it is more fun. Last night was Dave's night, tonight is your night, and tomorrow night I expect to see Jean streaking the thread. It is only fair, everyone that can afford liquor gets a go at it.; July 14, 2008 11:01 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Hey, we could take this poll and fill in the blank. Come on, it'll be fun-

http://www.nbc.com/The_Tonight_Show_with_Jay_Leno/headlines/H_3575/04.shtml#headline

I don't see how anybody would lose in this one. ;); July 14, 2008 11:04 PM
suzihussein22 said...: ap'ant-This answer might be interchangeable, but it seemed like a good idea at the time. American liquor is always affordable.; July 14, 2008 11:08 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: suzihussein22 said...
Good grief, not only does my cat share his kills with us on our steps . . . .

LOL

I remember when I was growing up - the house was next to a field that was planted to wheat one summer. After the wheat was harvested in July, there was enough grain the combine spilled that it was able to support a HUGE explosion in field mice.

In the middle of August, we had a period of rain that flooded a lot of mice burrows and drove the mice to the surface. We had a cat that we suddenly discovered was a fantastic mouser. One morning after the rain stopped, we opened the front door to find at least 100 mice laying on the front porch, with the (now with extended belly) cat sitting in the middle of the array of mice, just as proud of herself as she could be.

We had to get the scoop shovel and broom out, then dig a hole, to dispose of the mice. The cat, for some reason, didn't seem too happy that we were disposing of her 'gifts' by burying them. VBG

Mike; July 14, 2008 11:17 PM
apissedant said...: soft,
Well my plan is to swipe a hotplate and a fractional distillation column from school. Then I'll buy a few gallons of E85 from the nearest gas station. This way, instead of having to pay a bunch of liquor taxes, I will actually get a liquor subsidy, and pay like, 5 bucks a gallon. :); July 14, 2008 11:17 PM
apissedant said...: Mike, I lived in the burbs, so we didn't have too many mice, but we had a few, and a few shrews. My cat was from a farm, and she was a little sweetheart, depending on your definition. She often left me presents under my bed, and as a teenager, my cleaning routine was, well, not very routine. She only left the heads though, I have no idea what happened to all the bodies, it was sort of like the London Bridge of pests under my bed.

She had a different routine with birds, she had some weird fixation with ripping the back of their heads off, and just eating their brains. She would leave those ones at the door, but the rodents were delivered specifically to me.; July 14, 2008 11:21 PM
Kujo said...: StopObamaNow:

"I don't know why the Obamaphiles are over reacting to the pure and simple Satire?

The fact of the matter is nearly 44% of Americans don't know that BHO IS a Christian. "

Uhhhhh..... Maybe you answered your own question DimWit; July 14, 2008 11:23 PM
Kujo said...: StopObamaNow:

"For some weird reason, the Democratic Party has taken a very huge RISK in nominating the least vetted, least experienced and vastly unknown Candidate of very ambiguous Biography for the POTUS."

But your forget the most qualified.; July 14, 2008 11:24 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - bless her heart. she should have diversified. We all know how hard her and her husband worked to gain their millions, all just so the little people could take it away. Now it's almost as if she (since Kenny boy is dead), dare I say it, have to pay taxes again? Poor thing, now she has to pay like the rest of us pee-ons. Naaaa, I didn't think so either. I'm sure she stashed their fortune in Switzerland or the Cayman Islands or somewhere else where they are sheltered from taxes. By the way, did she ever go to jail? I know he was supposed to but died too soon.; July 14, 2008 11:25 PM
Kujo said...: StopObamaNow:

If you would but a equal effort thinking (and writing) about the Non-qualifications of John McCain, you would have probably 100 times more comments to write.; July 14, 2008 11:26 PM
suzihussein22 said...: m in md-WOW...we're just happy the cat that adopted us can kill moles. Now he sounds like an underachiever besides looking like an orange raccoon. :)

ap'dant-It sounds like you just want to give to the rich so you can give to the rich. That's too much fun for you. There you go being like little john again.

jean-I hope you got the bubble gum in time. :); July 14, 2008 11:29 PM
Independent Voter said...: It looks like p'd ant is trying to turn all of us into lushes here.; July 14, 2008 11:29 PM
suzihussein22 said...: california posters-Have you been feeling any of the small earthquakes you've been having?

OR Dem-Hey, how's it been going? I haven't been as dedicated with my EV polls. It seems kinda early to me. I hate to tell ya, but I've moved on from sweet potatoes to blackberries and zucchini.; July 14, 2008 11:46 PM
Independent Voter said...: Suzi, I feel very small (barely noticeable) tremors all the time. It's kind of like when you are sitting on the couch and the cat is at the other end and starts scratching. But nothing major.

Perhaps "God" is punishing us for "allowing" same-sex marriage to take place.

UH, I better watch out, I'm probably going to be struck by lightening.; July 14, 2008 11:53 PM
suzihussein22 said...: apissedant-If only you could've hired a maid.; July 14, 2008 11:56 PM
suzihussein22 said...: i v-It seemed like there had been more reports of them the last week or so. There's still earthquake swarms happening in the Cascadia system. I kinda wonder if they could set off Yellowstone. Then we wouldn't have to worry about global warming for a while, much less lightning.; July 15, 2008 12:07 AM
suzihussein22 said...: 'night y'all; July 15, 2008 12:10 AM
Independent Voter said...: lol suzi. They are VERY VERY small ones, like less than 1.0. So I don't think it's that big of a deal.

Goodnight.; July 15, 2008 12:13 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Hey everybody what's up. I see there are some people on here that is drinking. I have 2 half bottles of rum want some!LOL. Jean; July 15, 2008 12:27 AM
Independent Voter said...: LOL AJ! I quit drinking after last night.........well that is until Saturday. LOL; July 15, 2008 12:32 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave you lush VBG. Here I was willing to share my rum and I was even going to be nice and drink it for you. LOL Jean; July 15, 2008 12:39 AM
Independent Voter said...: ROFL AJ!!!!! What a nice offer, but I've dedicated myself to being sober....for the next 5 days. :); July 15, 2008 1:02 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "Uhhhhh..... Maybe you answered your own question DimWit"

kujo:

1. You should know how to take a constructive criticism. But, you don't. Maybe, you may try harder by subscribing to The New Yorker and reading everyday.

Remember, The New Yorker is a FAR LEFT publication from the liberal town NY, NY!!

2. Whether you like it or not, in American politics race, religion, experience, gender, perception, policy etc are ALL part and parcel of the debate during the General Election.

3. You and your Bleeding Liberals of the Huffington Post cannot handle criticism, and therefore you all scream and yell at a lampoon. You would rather murder the messenger, and not have the intellectual clarity and dexterity to meet the message.

kujo, just grow up and smell the coffee:

McCain and BHO are tied in the polls (Rasmussen).

Do you know why this is?

I believe that many Americans just don't know who Obama is, period.

Is he a Left Liberal, or a Centrist or What? He has been flip-flopping on nearly 10 different issues in the past 6 months.

He has been in the US Senate just for about 150 days. That's all. To get the votes of most Americans, you need a resume of long service to the country in civilian and/or military.

McCain has both.

That's why when Dubya Bush has 28% and Pelosi/Reid has 18%, McCain has about 46% approval ratings for the past four months.

Face the Facts, Kujo.

Aren't you hearing the receding wave of Obama-mania in the background?

Stay tuned.; July 15, 2008 1:02 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA '08; July 15, 2008 1:38 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: AWOL John Mc"needs a"Cain:

There have been 174 roll call votes in the second session of this, the 110th Congress. Senator Clinton has been present to vote 75 times, Senator Obama for 71. Not real good, but they WERE on the campaign trail until early June.

Mc"needs a"Cain has been present for 38 roll call votes. Since he effectively wrapped up the GOP nomination in early February, you would expect that his voting would have picked up since February, or at least March?

The last time Mc"needs a"Cain saw fit to step foot on the Senate floor for a recorded vote was ...

... drum roll please ...

April 8. Roll call vote no. 93.

And the time before that?

Drum roll please ...

March 14.

There have been 81 roll call votes since April 8. Not a single time has Mc"needs a"Cain participated in a recorded vote in three months and 7 days (and still counting).

Seems to me that Mc"needs a"Cain has not been doing his job of representing the people of Arizona. Did all the campaigning wear him out?

Oh, Senators Obama and Clinton have voted 12 nad 17 times, respectively, since the last time Mc"needs a"Cain has voted.

Mike; July 15, 2008 3:06 AM
Beryl said...: How embarrassed can die-hard Repubs be now that they are stuck with McShame as their nominee?

The saddest part of this is that there are actually Americans supporting this creep.

McCan't is morally wrong for America:

1. Joked about cigarettes killing Iranians. What about the Iranian CHILDREN who smoke?

2. Joked about bombing a country. This is as bad as those who danced in the streets after the 9-11 attack. What about the INNOCENT people being harmed?

3. Called the mother of his children the "C" word in public. If he has NO respect for his wife, what respect does he have for other women?

4. Laughed when someone referred to HRC as a "Bitch". Again, does not respect women. Only a woman who has no self-esteem will vote for this sleaze-ball.

Every time I see and listen to him I feel like I need a shower. He is nasty and evil.; July 15, 2008 8:53 AM
Independent Voter said...: Beryl, "The saddest part of this is that there are actually Americans supporting this creep......Every time I see and listen to him I feel like I need a shower. He is nasty and evil."

I've said it before, but I think it is worth restating. He reminds me of those films they used to show (they still might) kids in kindergarten about "stranger danger". He reminds me of the one that comes up to a kid in a park asking her/him to find his dog. What's the right response? The kid runs away screaming at the top of his lungs.; July 15, 2008 11:15 AM
Independent Voter said...: Bush just got done with his "press" conference. In typical Bush fashion, he blames the "Democratic" run Congress for all the countries problems. You know, they have failed to pass housing legislation. They have failed to open up the OCS drilling and ANWR drilling.

Um Mr. Bush, the impending housing crisis was addressed by Obama back in 2006, the then Republican run Congress ignored his calls. I would also like to remind Mr. Bush about his 180 degree turnabout on offshore drilling for which he is the one who signed an executive order to prevent offshore drilling. It was just this week that he lifted that executive order. In addition, they would simply be "exploring", they do not know where exactly to drill. One question I would seek an answer from Mr. Bush would be "Why have the oil companies left 97% of the 60 million acres of federal property that they have lease go unexplored?" Could it be that it is because they don't know exactly where to look? Or could it be that they know they would have to pay taxes on the oil they retrieved from those sites? Why would this not be any less true in offshore sites?

They are leasing these federal sites, at very reduced rates. They were supposed to be paying taxes on oil discovered from that federal land, but the Republicans left a loophole in that legislation that allowed the oil companies to pay little or avoid paying taxes on the profits generated from those sites. So my answer to Mr. Bush and the oil companies........FU; July 15, 2008 11:46 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama up in key states of Minnesota, Iowa, Michigan and Colorado, and pulls close in South Dakota...

http://www.411mania.com/politics/columns/80238/New-Polls-07.14.08:-MI,-CO,-LA.htm; July 15, 2008 2:51 PM
Beryl said...: Yea, Colorado! We need to go BLUE this election.; July 15, 2008 3:28 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Doh-

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/15/mccain-again-cites-current-events-in-czechoslovakia/

He'll say it until it's true, my friends.

beryl-Let's hope CO can be this blue-

http://www.netstate.com/states/symb/trees/images/blue_spruce.jpg; July 15, 2008 8:09 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I love THIS map:

http://www.zogby.com/50state/

Of all the 11 PURPLE states (when you click on them) McCain is only ahead in ONE state and it is NOT Arizona!

Obama '08; July 15, 2008 8:10 PM
apissedant said...: Barack Obama is opening two offices on the Peninsula in Hampton Roads, Va. This, that I know of, has never ever occurred. We already have a coordinated campaign office that opened last month. The entire area of Hampton Roads has a grand total of about 2 million inhabitants, with most being on the south side, not the Peninsula. Obama is going full force to turn Virginia blue. :)

I feel two offices is a bit of a waste of money, but it is still nice to see us competing in a state where it has always been assumed that there would be no competition.; July 15, 2008 8:11 PM
apissedant said...: Dave, I just found this on a website, and thought you might like it.

A 2005 Congressional Budget Office study concluded that the effective 2002 U.S. tax rate on profits from petroleum and natural gas structures was the lowest imposed on any type of corporate capital asset: 9.2%. Profits from computers, by contrast, were taxed at an effective rate of 36.9%.

A 2000 study by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy concluded that in 1998, of all U.S. industries, petroleum and pipeline companies were taxed at the lowest effective rates: 5.7%. Health care companies, by contrast, were taxed at an effective rate of 32%.; July 15, 2008 8:15 PM
apissedant said...: When will the DJIA stop falling? If the collapse of the last year continues, Bush will preside over the largest DJIA drop over his term since Hoover. It has lost 3,000 in the last year, about 23% of the "value" of it a year ago. AMAZING, terrible, sad, and I can't think of anything to say, except, "I told you so."; July 15, 2008 8:23 PM
suzihussein22 said...: This must be why women will vote for McChump-

McCain supposedly asked the crowd if they had heard "the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die?"

The punch line: "When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, "Where is that marvelous ape?"

This is reported on HuffPost as a joke he told in 1986. Let's see how many people would vote for him after a full comedy routine. McCain thinks he's funny, why don't we?; July 15, 2008 8:25 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Is he floppin' the correct way on this issue-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/15/mccain-backs-off-radical_n_112896.html

He must be just adjusting his position.; July 15, 2008 8:33 PM
apissedant said...: DAVE!!
I think you were another one severely opposed to Jim Webb as the VP. Maybe it was someone else, but there were a few of us in here that were just not up for that battle. Well anyways, the Washington Post had a story today about Virginia turning blue, and the fact we had three viable choices for VP. It stated that one of his staffers said, "The Senate race was already starting to replay itself with the same old oppo research being thrown back."

So people like us here at this blog had an effect. They were searching around on the internet, and seeing that we realized what was going to happen if he was chosen, and that was cited as a major reason why he backed off. :)

He's an ok Senator, I voted and campaigned for him, and I will again in 4 years, but not as VP, and definitely not when this is Obama's to lose.; July 15, 2008 8:34 PM
apissedant said...: Also, Sunday Morning, someone brought up my point about VP's not winning states. The whole panel agreed that only Johnson has had a positive effect on the outcome of a Presidential election in the last at least 80 years.; July 15, 2008 8:35 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Yippie !!!

McCain: Favorable/Unfavorable
CBS News/NY Times Favorable 31, Unfavorable 32
Unfavorable +1.0
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Obama: Favorable/Unfavorable
CBS News/NY Times Favorable 39, Unfavorable 31
Favorable +8.0

It looks like everyday Obama is gaining steam and McCain is LOSING his!; July 15, 2008 9:44 PM
Independent Voter said...: Thanks p'd ant. Unreal, on those CBO figures you cited.

Regarding Webb, yep, I was against him being veep. We all knew it would start all over again. That is something Obama should want to deal with.

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Suzi, flip-floppin? NO, he's just a floppin'. Back in 2006, McCain said that although he opposed the Constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage, he would support one if state courts were to rule that bans in those states were unconstitutional. He's trying to have it both ways. But we are all on to him (trust me there is absolutely ZERO pun intended on that one.....eeewwwwww) :)

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Leah, YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go OBAMA!; July 15, 2008 10:46 PM
suzihussein22 said...: i v-Yeah, that's a big ZERO for him. :) I wouldn't go for the grandfather figure type either. :(
Shame on me for the ageism.; July 15, 2008 11:01 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Fear leads to the dark side. Smear leads us to the Rep. Oh, that's Darth Lieberman, I mean Benedict Lieberman, actually he does look kinda like Chancellor Palpatine-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/15/lieberman-rips-obama-his_n_112882.html; July 15, 2008 11:12 PM
Independent Voter said...: suzi, He's not just any "grandfather" type - he is the creepy grandfather you don't want to go near.

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Actually I think LIEberman looks like a Shar Pei. (And no I'm not trying to put Shar Peis down by any means.); July 15, 2008 11:32 PM
Independent Voter said...: Hey all, the Larry King Live with Obama replay is on RIGHT NOW; July 16, 2008 12:00 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: McCain video regarding barely passing at the Naval Academy and being computer illiterate:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/15/john-mccain-admitted-to-r_n_112920.html

And he thinks it's funny!; July 16, 2008 12:28 AM
Kujo said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 16, 2008 12:45 AM
Independent Voter said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 16, 2008 12:57 AM
Kujo said...: StopObamaNow:

Lets not just at one poll, lets look at all of them. (and by the way the Rasmussen current poll is +2, the TIE was back in April)

How could a Obama with this little experience be consistently leading McCain who has so much if he has not won the respect of so many people.

CBS News/NY Times 07/07 - 07/14 Obama +6.0
ABC News/Wash Post 07/10 - 07/13 Obama +3.0
Gallup Tracking 07/12 - 07/14637 Obama +4.0
Rasmussen Tracking 07/12 - 07/14 Obama +2.0
Quinnipiac 07/08 - 07/13 Obama +9.0
Newsweek 07/09 - 07/10 Obama +3.0
CNN 06/26 - 06/29 Obama +5.0
McLaughlin (R) 06/26 - 06/29 Obama +8.0
Pew Research 06/18 - 06/29 Obama +8.0
Democracy Corps (D) 06/22 - 06/25 Obama +4.0
Time 06/19 - 06/25 Obama +4.0
LA Times/Bloomberg 06/19 - 06/23 Obama +12.0
Franklin & Marshall 06/16 - 06/22 Obama +6.0
Newsweek 06/18 - 06/19 Obama +15.0
FOX News 06/17 - 06/18 Obama +4.0
USA Today/Gallup 06/15 - 06/19 Obama +6.0
ABCNews/Wash Post 06/12-06/15 Obama +4.0
Cook/RT Strategies 06/12 - 06/15 Obama +4.0
Reuters/Zogby 06/12 - 06/14 Obama +5.0
Ipsos 06/05 - 06/11 Obama +7.0
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 06/06 - 06/09 Obama +6.0
Hotline/FD 06/05 - 06/08 Obama +2.0
IBD/TIPP 06/02 - 06/08 Obama +3.0
CNN 06/04 - 06/05 Obama +3.0
CBS News 05/30 - 06/03 Obama +6.0
USA Today/Gallup 05/30 - 06/01 Obama +3.0
Cook/RT Strategies 05/29 - 05/31 Obama +1.0
Pew Research 05/21 - 05/25 Obama +3.0
Newsweek 05/21 - 05/22 Tie
Reuters/Zogby 05/15 - 05/18 Obama +8.0
IBD/TIPP 05/12 - 05/18 Obama +11.0
Democracy Corps (D) 05/13 - 05/15 Obama +2.0
Battleground 05/11 - 05/14 Obama +2.0
Quinnipiac 05/08 - 05/12 Obama +7.0
ABC News/Wash Post 05/08 - 05/11 Obama +7.0
POS/GQR 05/07 - 05/08 800 Obama +5.0
LA Times/Bloomberg 05/01 - 05/08 Obama +6.0
Ipsos 04/30 - 05/04 755 Obama +4.0
USA Today/Gallup 05/01 - 05/03 McCain +1.0
CBS News/NY Times 05/01 - 05/03 Obama +11.0
Hotline/FD 04/30 - 05/03 Obama +4.0
CNN 04/28 - 04/30 Obama +4.0
FOX News 04/28 - 04/29 McCain +3.0
CBS News/NY Times 04/25 - 04/29 Tie
NBC/WSJ 04/25 - 04/28 Obama +3.0
Rasmussen 04/24 - 04/27 Tie
Pew Research 04/23 - 04/27 Obama +6.0
AP-Ipsos 04/23 - 04/27 Obama +2.0
Newsweek 04/24 - 04/25 Obama +3.0
USA Today/Gallup 04/18 - 04/20 Obama +3.0
Cook/RT Strategies 04/17 - 04/20 Obama +1.0
Newsweek 04/16 - 04/17 Obama +4.0
Reuters/Zogby 04/10 - 04/13 Tie
ABC/Wash Post 04/10 - 04/13 Obama +5.0
Rasmussen 04/10 - 04/13 1600 LV 42 49 McCain +7.0
AP-Ipsos 04/07 - 04/09 749 RV 45 45 Tie
CBS News/NY Times 03/28 - 04/02 1196 RV 47 42 Obama +5.0
Hotline/FD 03/28 - 03/31 799 RV 44 46 McCain +2.0
Rasmussen 03/27 - 03/30 1600 LV 42 47 McCain +5.0
NBC/WSJ 03/24 - 03/25 800 RV 44 42 Obama +2.0
Pew Research 03/19 - 03/22 1,248 RV 49 43 Obama +6.0
FOX News 03/18 - 03/19 900 RV 43 44 McCain +1.0
CBS News 03/15 - 03/18 RV 48 43 Obama +5.0
CNN 03/14 - 03/16 950 RV 47 46 Obama +1.0
USA Today/Gallup 03/14 - 03/15 685 LV 49 47 Obama +2.0
Reuters/Zogby 03/13 - 03/14 1004 LV 40 46 McCain +6.0
NBC/WSJ 03/07 - 03/10 1,012 RV 47 44 Obama +3.0
Cook/RT Strategies 03/06 - 03/09 802 RV 43 45 McCain +2.0
Newsweek 03/05 - 03/06 1,215 RV 46 45 Obama +1.0
ABC/Wash Post 02/28 - 03/02 LV 53 42 Obama +11.0
Cook/RT Strategies 02/28 - 03/02 802 RV 47 38 Obama +9.0
LA Times/Bloomberg 02/21 - 02/25 RV 42 44 McCain +2.0
AP-Ipsos 02/22 - 02/24 755 RV 51 41 Obama +10.0
USA Today/Gallup 02/21 - 02/24 1653 LV 47 48 McCain +1.0
Pew Research 02/20 - 02/24 1240 RV 50 43 Obama +7.0
CBS News/NY Times 02/20 - 02/24 1115 RV 50 38 Obama +12.0
FOX News 02/19 - 02/20 900 RV 47 43 Obama +4.0
Hotline/FD 02/14 - 02/17 803 RV 48 40 Obama +8.0
Reuters/Zogby 02/13 - 02/16 928 LV 47 40 Obama +7.0
USA Today/Gallup 02/08 - 02/10 706 LV 50 46 Obama +4.0
AP-Ipsos 02/07 - 02/10 1,029 A 48 42 Obama +6.0
Time 02/01 - 02/04 958 LV 48 41 Obama +7.0
CNN 02/01 - 02/03 974 RV 52 44 Obama +8.0
Cook/RT Strategies 01/31 - 02/02 Obama +2.0
ABC/Wash Post 01/30 - 02/01 Obama +3.0
FOX News 01/30 - 01/31 900 Obama +1.0
NPR 01/29 - 01/31 McCain +1.0
Rasmussen 01/25 - 01/27 McCain +6.0
NBC/WSJ 01/20 - 01/22 1008 A 42 42 Tie
LA Times/Bloomberg 01/18 - 01/22 1312 McCain +1.0
Rasmussen 01/16 - 01/17 800 LV 46 41 Obama +5.0
USA Today/Gallup 01/10 - 01/13 McCain +5.0
Hotline/FD 01/10 - 01/12 Obama +2.0
CNN 01/09 - 01/10 840 Obama +1.0
Rasmussen 01/04 - 01/06 McCain +3.0
FOX News 12/18 - 12/19 McCain +4.0
Zogby 12/12 - 12/14 Obama +4.0
CNN 12/06 - 12/09 Tie
Rasmussen 11/26 - 11/27 Tie
Rasmussen 11/16 - 11/17 Obama +3.0
Gallup 11/11 - 11/14 Obama +3.0
Quinnipiac 10/23 - 10/29 Tie
LA Times/Bloomberg 10/19 - 10/22 Obama +8.0
FOX News 09/25 - 09/26 Obama +2.0
Rasmussen 09/19 - 09/20 Obama +5.0
Quinnipiac 08/07 - 08/13 Obama +4.0
Rasmussen 08/01 - 08/02 Obama +6.0
FOX News 07/17 - 07/18 Obama +10.0
Rasmussen 07/16 - 07/17 Obama +9.0
Zogby 07/12 - 07/14 Obama +3.0
CNN 06/22 - 06/24 Obama +4.0
Newsweek 06/20 - 06/21 Obama +10.0
Rasmussen 06/13 - 06/14 Obama +8.0
USA Today/Gallup 06/11 - 06/14 Obama +2.0
Quinnipiac 06/05 - 06/11 Obama +2.0
LA Times/Bloomberg 06/07 - 06/10 Obama +12.0
Zogby 05/17 - 05/20 Obama +3.0
Hotline/FD 05/16 - 05/20 Obama +3.0
Newsweek 05/02 - 05/03 Obama +13.0
Marist 04/26 - 05/01 McCain +7.0
Quinnipiac 04/25 - 05/01 Tie
Hotline/FD 04/26 - 04/30 Obama +11.0
NBC/WSJ 04/20 - 04/23 Obama +6.0
Rasmussen 04/09 - 04/10 Obama +6.0
Time 04/05 - 04/09 Obama +5.0
LA Times/Bloomberg 04/05 - 04/09 Obama +8.0
Time 03/23 - 03/26 McCain +2.0
Rasmussen 03/14 - 03/15 Tie
Time 03/09 - 03/12 Obama +3.0
American Res. Group 03/02 - 03/05 McCain +4.0
Newsweek 02/28 - 03/01 Obama +2.0
Time 02/23 - 02/26 Obama +4.0
Zogby 02/22 - 02/24 Obama +4.0
Quinnipiac 02/13 - 02/19 Tie
Marist 02/12 - 02/15 McCain +3.0
USA Today/Gallup 02/09 - 02/11 Tie
Rasmussen 02/07 - 02/08 Tie
Newsweek 01/24 - 01/25 Obama +6.0
Time 01/22 - 01/23 McCain +7.0
ABC News/Wash Post 01/16 - 01/19 Obama +2.0
Rasmussen 01/17 - 01/18 Obama +3.0
Newsweek 01/17 - 01/18 Obama +2.0
Hotline/FD 01/11 - 01/14 McCain +5.0
Battleground 01/08 - 01/11 McCain +12.0
IBD/TIPP 01/02 - 01/04 McCain +12.0
CNN 12/15 - 12/17 McCain +4.0
Rasmussen 12/12 - 12/13 McCain +6.0
Newsweek 12/06 - 12/07 McCain +2.0
FOX News 12/05 - 12/06 McCain +19.0
Rasmussen 11/06 - 11/07 McCain +8.0; July 16, 2008 12:57 AM
Independent Voter said...: Ladies, I hate to say it, get your wire coat-hangers while they're hot!

HHS Moves to Define Contraception as Abortion

And this is what the PUMA group is willing to go along with.; July 16, 2008 12:59 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Kujo-

It looks like McCain was doing okay in 2007 (seven months ago!).

Obama is the winner for 2008!; July 16, 2008 1:23 AM
tmess2 said...: In the breaking news of the night, the Bush Administration (which a couple of months ago was accusing Obama of appeasing Iran) has decided that Obama is right and McCain is wrong and has decided that they need to talk with Iran.

Does this leave Lieberman, McCain, and Hagee as the last three seeking to start Armageddon by attacking Iran?; July 16, 2008 1:44 AM
Independent Voter said...: tmess, nope. I think Jr. is still set on it too.; July 16, 2008 1:45 AM
Independent Voter said...: g'night all

See ya tomorrow.; July 16, 2008 1:46 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mccain Columbia trip coordinated with hostage release?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5YK3yGztU

OBAMA '08; July 16, 2008 2:13 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: An update on the Carol Kreck (McCain=Bush) sage in Denver:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carol-kreck/mccainbush_b_112285.html

The last line makes it sound like someone is in big trouble!

Mike; July 16, 2008 3:38 AM
jean said...: Good Morning,
Just a quick note.
Washington Mutual is on the list of the next failure.
August is the target date.
Redistribution of one's assets is advised if you bank there.
Sorry for the dreary note.
jean; July 16, 2008 10:23 AM
Independent Voter said...: I cannot believe the GALL of Senator Dole? She wants to rename the HIV/AIDS funding bill after Jesse Helms.

Can I just ask, WTF is she thinking? He was one of the most racist, homophobic misogynists on the face of the planet, but she wants to "honor" him by renaming this legislation after him?

I really hope she loses her Senate seat. Oh and yes, I have already contacted both of my Senators, Feinstein and Boxer, to reject this amendment if it comes up for a vote.; July 16, 2008 12:11 PM
Richard said...: I think everyone is missing the point when it comes to Cindy McCain's private plane comments. Cindy's just building on John's boast on SNL about his career effect on Arizona roads (see map). The difference between Arizona and California or Texas is not its size, but that AZ has a pork-barrel-fighter like McCain in the Senate.; July 16, 2008 1:33 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: A link to the new Jib Jab video, if you haven't seen it yet:

http://www.jibjab.com/originals/time_for_some_campaignin

Obama '08; July 16, 2008 2:45 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: CNN has a report on some a-hole in Florida who bought space on several billboards in the Orlando area with the message "Please Don't Vote for a Democrat", along with pictures of the twin towers after they were struck by the hijacked planes, just as the first tower is starting to implode.

He claims he's using the billboards to advertise his recorded song, "Please Don't Vote for a Democrat", and to do that he's listed the URL for www.therepublicansong.com.

Article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/16/911.billboard/index.html

Typical tepid Repig renunciation of the billboards, consisting of a statement that the billboard is "inappropriate".

Typical incompetent CNN, though, in the body of the article states that the URL is "the republicansong.com". If you copy and paste just the 'republicansong.com' part of the URL, you are taken to one REALLY ticked off Obama supporter.

Going to 'therepublicansong.com', you find that the site is now showing a "Service Temporarily Unavailable" notice. I wonder if the ISP got a lot of heat and took down access to the site?

I haven't watched CNN on cable for a couple of years, and this just confirms my deduction that they are tools of the Repig party right now. If/when they get rid of Wolf Blitzer and several others, I might consider watching them again.

Mike; July 16, 2008 5:17 PM
apissedant said...: Mike, the website is up right now, including lyrics. It isn't very long, and it is terrible. The man can't spell and he says a million untrue statements. You can hire him to come sing "Don't Vote For a Democrat" and more at you [sic] concert. Ugh.... sometimes I wonder what the world would be like if you had to pass a test to have kids.; July 16, 2008 5:27 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: AP

The site is up and down. I clicked shift+reload several times to download directly from the originating site. About 2/3 of the time the site comes up, but about 1/3 of the time, you get the "Site temporarily unavailable" notice. He must be using a cheap hosting service that goes down when it gets several hits within a short time frame.

I also noted that the idiot is using a "pleasedontvoteforademocrat@yahoo.com" Yahoo email address. I sent a quick note to Yahoo, citing the CNN article, letting Yahoo know the email address is offensive to me and millions of others, and asking Yahoo consider deleting the email address. Don't know if my request will be even considered, but if Yahoo hears from many people, they may consider deleting the email address.

Mike; July 16, 2008 5:47 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: therepublicansong is on YouTube now...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jUWVu-pL7v8; July 16, 2008 6:33 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: kujo:

Thanks for the long list of polls. But it is useless:

The important point to remember is

1. After 7.5 years, Dubya Bush has 28%, and Pelosi/Reid Congress has 18% of approval rating, while McCain has nearly a TIE with BHO at about 46%.

Normally one would expect McCain to get what Dubya gets.

This means McCain is NOT McSame/McBush.

He is a moderate Republican unlike the NeoCon Republicans.

Also, remember RACE will be a issue in this Election (Read the recent NY Times). But when Rasmussen or Gallup asks people whether race is an issue, many DON'T say truly what they think. They say one thing and will do something else, for fear of 'perceived' as "racist".

That's why I will include AOL Straw poll also into the poll of polls to get the real feelings of the voters. If you do that, on my poll of polls McCain gets 51% BHO 47% and others 2%.

BHO is a big flip-flopper. Many Centrists are watching him closely: whether he is saying anything to get votes, or ideologically is he at the Center?

This will decide where he will be in Oct/NOv.

Ask him to ban all food based ethanol production in US to save poor people from price hikes of food.

Ask him to lift the tariff on ethanol from Brazil. He MUST go against the IL and IA farmers to save low income Americans, if he truly cares about them.

Will he work for ALL Americans?

Or only for those who paid him huge donations for his Campaign?

Stay tuned.; July 16, 2008 6:48 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: Pelosi/Reid Congress has shown that the Democrats are NOT proactive in any issue: Energy, Economy or National Security.

They are as Dumb as the NeoCons.

They why to vote for any Democrat anymore?

Under this Congress, Dubya got ALL the money and more, needed for the War in Iraq.

Shame on BHO, Pelosi and Reid.

Bunch of Incompetent Demagogues.

Stay tuned.; July 16, 2008 6:55 PM
tmess2 said...: Latest poll on Congress shows Congress as a whole polling low, but Democrats in Congress polling above George W.

The group polling below George W. -- Republicans in Congress. Guess the voters realize that the problem in Congress right now is 49.5 Republicans blocking good legislation from passing.; July 16, 2008 7:14 PM
jean said...: Richard,
I agree. Unfortunately SNL is late for me to see.
Cindy needs to find a way to preface what she is saying.
It is a funny SNL.
Did you see the mention on CNN that part of a presidents job is to provide humour.
jean; July 16, 2008 7:59 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: If I were polled on Congress (as a whole) right now, I probably would give it an unsatisfactory rating, or at least that is how the poll would record the opinion.

Why?

The Congress should have started the process of impeaching Bush and Cheney in January, 2007 (whether or not the process was successfully completed) instead of the statement that 'impeachment is off the table."

Congress should have refused to give any funding for continuing the occupation of Iraq, but instead should have asked the Pentagon "How much do you need to bring all the troops home?" and then passed those funds with the stipulation that they funds could ONLY be used for that purpose.

Congress should passed much more legislation giving incentives for the country to explore alternative energy to a much greater extent.

Congress should have stood up to the administration on many of the crimes this administration has caused, allowed and perpetrated on the citizens of the US and the world.

Etc, etc., etc., etc.

If I were polled today on how I thought my Congresscritters (Congressman Cummings, D-MD 7th; Senators Mikulski and Cardin) were doing, I would give them the highest rating I could.

So, am I disappointed with Congress as a whole? Yes.

Am I disappointed with MY Congresscritters, without considering any other Congresscritter's record? No.

Would I prefer that Congress be controlled by the Repig Party?

HELL NO!!

And how would my opinion be recorded in that poll of Congress? Unsatisfied.

When you poll on the opinion of ONE person, you can get a snapshot of that one person. When you poll on the opinion of 535 people, there can be reasons why you have high opinions of the whole (even if you agree with a lot of their actions), but give a low opinion of the whole at the same time.

And I think that my opinions of Congress would apply to a very large number of the electorate - wherever they stand politically. They do not have a high opinion of Congress as a whole, but they do have a high opinion of their own particular Congresscritter and Senators.

Mike; July 16, 2008 8:28 PM
Independent Voter said...: Mike, hence the high reelection numbers of incumbent congressmen/women; July 16, 2008 8:32 PM
Beryl said...: I got to shake Michelle's hand tonight at a cocktail reception in Denver.

She was exactly what I expected - genuinely gracious. She really connects with her audience. She took extra time to speak with each of us who stood in a long line of greeters.; July 16, 2008 9:31 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: McCain at NAACP:

McCain told the audience that he would support voucher program for poorly performing schools.

NAACP should welcome this, and tell the Teachers Union, who oppose school vouchers to go to hell. They have effectively wrecked most of the schools in the inner cities.

Most of the students in failing schools are trapped by the Public Schools where teachers don't teach, and administrators enjoy all the benefits.

BHO who is in the back pockets of the Teachers Union is working effectively against poor students, who are trapped and destroyed by the failing schools systems.

BHO: Which side are you?

__________________________

However, I must say BHO was courageous in stressing personal responsibility during his speech at NAACP.

He should have named Jesse Jackson, and challenged him on this matter.

Jackson and Wright perpetuate Black Racism in America, which is going to be BHO's Achilles' Heel in this General Election: Nearly all of Blacks support BHO not because most of them support his policies, they do because of his skin color. This is a fact. This is Black Racism in full glare.

This will infuriate the working White Americans and they will reciprocate in kind. That's the danger which most of the Blacks don't understand.

Black racism is as bad as White racism, which most of the Company sponsored polls don't capture.

Stay tuned.; July 16, 2008 10:12 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Beryl -

I am so very happy for you!

Obama '08; July 16, 2008 10:33 PM
Beryl said...: Thanks Leah.

What is with McLame's camp today? They are so desperate that they are embarrassing themselves.

http://thepage.time.com/2008/07/16/mccain-aide-obama-mirrors-bushs-stubbornness-on-war/

In media call, McCain national security adviser Randy Scheunemann says Obama has an “ideologically driven commitment to withdraw at all costs” from Iraq.

Implicitly compares him to Bush: “I think the American people have had enough of inflexibility and stubbornness on national security policy.”

Too ridiculous for comment.; July 16, 2008 10:44 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Zogby...

State: Arizona

Summary:
Obama - 42%
McCain - 39%
Barr - 7%
Nader - 2%
Someone else - 5%
Undecided - 5%

9% of Republicans choose Barr, including 16% of the Very Conservative. Obama beats McCain among Independents, 51%-28%.
-----

McCain is doing poorly in his own state!

______________________

Zogby

State: Texas

Summary:
McCain - 42%
Obama - 39%
Barr - 6%
Nader - 2%
Someone else - 4%
Undecided - 7%

Surprisingly close race due to Barr's 6% and Obama's dominance among African-Americans and young voters. Obama leads Hispanics by only 5%.
-----

We will be turning Texas BLUE this November!!!

Obama '08; July 16, 2008 10:58 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Independent Voter said...
Mike, hence the high reelection numbers of incumbent congressmen/women

Dave,

Bingo!! Most people think their Congresscritter(s) are OK (if not, the Congresscritter probably wouldn't have been elected), but they think everyone else's Congresscritter(s) are rotten, stupid, non-responsive, hold the wrong political viewpoint, etc.

When you understand that reality (and you do, unlike some idiots who gleefully post about Congress's rating), you understand how Congress can and does have a low rating.

Mike; July 16, 2008 11:02 PM
Independent Voter said...: Mike, TOTALLY agree. Especially referring to the idiot that we all know who you are referring to. :); July 16, 2008 11:23 PM
suzihussein22 said...: leah-I hope TX becomes as blue as a bluebonnet. I watched the jibjab satire after I moved to another room so the kids could watch some uncensored looney tunes. I think I turned out okay even though the "experts" warned they could promote violence and cross-dressing. Well, I did want to poke my eyes out the year my husband dressed as a woman for halloween. But anyway, do you ever see any Jimmy Kimmel video clips? McCain was pretty short with him during an interview. He was basically telling Kimmel what not to joke about on his show. Now that's censoring to me too.; July 16, 2008 11:25 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.; July 16, 2008 11:34 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "We will be turning Texas BLUE this Novemb"

Only if Ann Richards comes back alive to campaign for BHO!!!!!!!!!

Can that happen?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.; July 16, 2008 11:37 PM
Independent Voter said...: This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.; July 16, 2008 11:37 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Some interesting info I found on AIDS and HIV in South Africa:

* The HIV prevalence rate in 2003 among pregnant women was 27.9%.

* By 2005 the HIV prevalence rate among pregnant women was 30.2%.

* In 2006 the HIV prevalence rate among pregnant women was 29.1%

Strange that pregnant women are considered 'gay' in South Africa (if some idiots are to be believed), when that country has a largely English-speaking population, and that descriptive (gay) in all English-speaking countries is restricted to homosexuals of the male gender.

Strange. Strange. Strange.

Mike; July 16, 2008 11:44 PM
jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 17, 2008 12:00 AM
jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 17, 2008 12:08 AM
apissedant said...: Mike in Md and Dave, you both promised not to engage trolls! We had already heard the homophobic crap from both Stop and Mike, and that was the last straw for me. I don't even read posts by Stop anymore, because I know he is rehashing incorrect stuff. Be good and do the same, because nothing positive can come of engagement.

Mike in Md,
My favorite line from the CNN article you posted:
"I believe 9/11 could have been prevented if we'd had a Republican president at the time," Meehan said Wednesday on CNN's "American Morning."

When does he think 9/11 happened exactly?; July 17, 2008 12:24 AM
jean said...: Sorry,
I tried to delete the second comment but couldn't.
Giving the troll recognition of any sort is not what I want to do.
jean; July 17, 2008 12:24 AM
jean said...: There we go.
Deleted the second comment;)
I keep having to redo my password and stuff.
It is getting irritating.
jean; July 17, 2008 12:28 AM
jean said...: Hey,
I have to go and get some airline tickets for the family vacation to Czechoslovakia.
According to the Reps and Dems it seems like a hot spot.
Have a good night.
jean; July 17, 2008 12:37 AM
Independent Voter said...: Jean,

You know what is really said? I volunteer for an HIV/AIDS organization (Christie's Place). We have about 200 families that we assist. Nearly 60% of them are heterosexual women, 20% are women with children who are HIV+, and the other 20% are women who are HIV+ and have children who are HIV+ (meaning they had children after being infected - most didn't know they were infected when they had their children).

I help them in case management (of course this is when time allows and when they need me.) When I went back to school, they filled my spot, but I fill in every now and then. I mostly help with the women who have male children that don't have a man around the house for them to talk to.

Granted I'm not positive, but I have lost at least 20 friends to the disease back in the 90's when the main drug at the time, AZT, was killing people faster than the disease.

Anyway, our village idiot (also known as stopobamanow) has absolutely ZERO clue what an impact this disease has had on people, NOT just within the gay community.; July 17, 2008 12:38 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.; July 17, 2008 12:40 AM
Independent Voter said...: Good luck on getting those airline tickets jean. LOL; July 17, 2008 12:41 AM
jean said...: Indy,
I know.
What else can you say.
It is a nightmare that has just begun.
Having two teenagers is nothing like it was.
I know it is hard but we must try not to feed trolls.
I strongly believe in Karma;)
I win the fight alot heh heh.
I think you do also.
It just takes time.
I am going to go get my tickets;)
jean; July 17, 2008 12:43 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.; July 17, 2008 12:51 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "Surprisingly close race due to Barr's 6% and Obama's dominance among African-Americans and young voters. Obama leads Hispanics by only 5%."

But you forgot Nader, nationwide.

Nader is pull more from BHO than Barr from McCain nationwide.

Stay tuned.; July 17, 2008 12:58 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: Oooops. Typo

Read:

Nader will pull more from BHO....; July 17, 2008 12:59 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.; July 17, 2008 1:02 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Interesting reading about Internet blogs and the effect that trolls have on them, how to control the trolls, and when to kill the trolls:

http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/006036.html

Rule 10. states:
"10. Another important rule: You can let one jeering, unpleasant jerk hang around for a while, but the minute you get two or more of them egging each other on, they both have to go, and all their recent messages with them. There are others like them prowling the net, looking for just that kind of situation. More of them will turn up, and they’ll encourage each other to behave more and more outrageously. Kill them quickly and have no regrets."

Rule 11 states, in part:
"11. You can’t automate intelligence. . . Maintaining a conversation is a task for human beings."

My own ancillary rule to that would be that if human beings are intelligent, then trolls are NOT human beings. Since trolls are NOT human beings, they should be squashed like the lethal viruses that they imitate.

Mike; July 17, 2008 1:04 AM
apissedant said...: Dave,
Nope, still about 3 weeks left until we know that. We have a boy name picked out... and we're still fine tuning a girl name. It is starting to get exciting. :); July 17, 2008 1:10 AM
apissedant said...: Some food for thought on troll feeding:

We eliminated 1 of 2 trolls that were living on this site. He voluntarily left for whatever reason. We completely stopped feeding him and his partner. The partner has remained, though until today, his posts had become few and far between, and with little bite. Someone fed him, and like a virus, he grew. This led to more food being directed his way, which again, made him grow. He found sore spots and began hitting them harder and harder. Odds are, he really has little to no opinion on the subject, but he saw it got a reaction, so he kept with it.

I always thought my parents were idiots with their, "don't scratch the itch or it'll itch more" crap, and their "ignore them and they will go away" crap, but it appears to be the case, and what I'm preaching. Weird how one day you wake up and realize you're an adult and your parents were right. ;); July 17, 2008 1:24 AM
Independent Voter said...: lol p'd ant.

Ya, I know better, and I promised not to, but sometimes I just get in one of them fightin' moods, and well you know, the rest is history.; July 17, 2008 1:36 AM
Kujo said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 17, 2008 2:03 AM
Kujo said...: stopobamanow:

You brought up polls (false ones) to try to prove that people do not know Obama.

I showed that Obama has been consistantly leading in polls for 7 months.

If I try to use your analysis:

Why has McCain, who has been in the Senate for 22 years, been behind for 7 months to some who entered National Politics 4 years ago?

Is it because the voters don't know him, that he can not get his message acrossed?

Is it because they do know him and don't like his messages?

You already said that they do not associate him to Bush.

During this period of "pre-campaining" Clinton lead by, at times, over 15 points in the polls. She was able to do this because of her name recognition. Why is McCain not up by 15 points in the polls in this period of "pre-campaining".

( I agree, people are not associating McCain with Bush. They just don't like his policies, ideas, party); July 17, 2008 2:04 AM
Kujo said...: stopobamanow:

I will agree with a couple of things:

There will be voters who won't vote for Obama because of Race.

Does that mean I should not vote for him for these reasons?

McCain is not Bush and most people do not associate him to be Bush.

But never in history of polls was the heads of congress favorable poll greater then the president. Same was true when Clinton was at his lows.

But regardless. Should I not vote for Obama because people do not like Pelosi?

Obama scared the pants off of many Republicans. How can someone come from nowhere and beat probably the strongest "entrenched" candidate in history. Entrenced: Clinton had the democratic parties elete's full support, she had the primary funders, the established infrustructure...

And you are trying to convince us that people are not hearing his message? Yay right!

Just wait till the real campagning starts. The only thing McCain has going for him is the electoral-college. He only has to "get the corn vote"; July 17, 2008 2:14 AM
Kujo said...: Leah,

I am sorry but I don't think Sebelius is going to get the vp spot. I am now betting on Bayh.

My pic from the start was Nunn but I thing the position of Secretary of State or Defense is a more important role and Nunn will be better placed there.

I think if we follow the electoral map it will come down to a few states again. Obama needs to continue to campain in all states to put pressure on McCain to do so too. Plus this will help in future elections.

Obama needs to concetrate on Michigan, Ohio and Indiana. If he nails these states it is over.; July 17, 2008 2:19 AM
tmess2 said...: hate to feed the troll but to get votes from Obama nationwide, Nader has to actually get on the ballot. Nader had his chance and he gave us 8 years of Shrub destroying Nader's life work. He is not going to get the chance a second time.; July 17, 2008 2:23 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Right now, it looks like Nader is on the ballot in:
Arizona
Colorado
Connecticut
Hawaii
Illinois
Louisiana
Nevada
New Mexico
Rhode Island
South Carolina
Tennessee
Utah
Washington (state)

I presume that a lot of people who tell pollsters that they support Nader don't know that he's not on the ballot for their state, such as in California, New York, Pennsylvania.

The only states he might make a negative difference for Senator Obama are:
Colorado (although Barr, who takes more votes from Mc"needs a"Cain than Senator Obama, outperforms Nader 8% to 2% in at least one poll)
Nevada (although Barr outperforms Nader 9% to 2% in at least one poll)
New Mexico (although Barr outperforms Nader 9% to 2% in at least one poll)

All the other states where he's on the ballot are polling too much for one candidate or the other for a 1% or 2% vote for Nader (if he gets even that) to make a difference.

Mike; July 17, 2008 3:32 AM
Karen Anne said...: Anybody know if Al Gore's speech is on video anywhere? I have already looked thru the likely suspects. Thanks.; July 17, 2008 1:59 PM
Anonymous said...: Just to point out how wrong Stop is once again. He said that Obama would have raised less than McCain's 22 million in June. And what does Obama raise... oh only 52 million. At least we know that Stop is always wrong in his predictions.; July 17, 2008 2:21 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: From Electoral-vote.com

After Barack Obama's narrow win over Hillary Clinton in the primary, some Clinton supporters were very disappointed and said they would vote for John McCain over their former nemesis, Obama. They resisted calls for party unity under the banner of being PUMA (Party Unity My Ass) voters. However, upon further inspection of the what the alternatives were (a candidate who opposes almost everything Clinton stands for or not voting), most of them have grudgingly reconsidered. A California Field Poll shows that 80% of the former Clinton supporters in California are now on board for Obama and 8% are for McCain. California women support Obama 2 to 1.

Obama '08; July 17, 2008 3:15 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Kujo -

My money is still on Gov. Kathleen Sebelius. She has not been tossed out into the media like some of the other 'possibles'. This makes me think that they are having her keep a low profile for now and will bring her out when the right moment arrives :)

The less time out in media the less chance there is for her to make an error and less time for the media and the republicans to attack her.

Obama/Sebelius '08; July 17, 2008 3:24 PM
jean said...: Leah,
You do want a woman in the WH.
Just ribbing ya. Levity is important;0
By the way. I found my airplane tickets REALLY CHEAP. Do you think something is wrong?
jean; July 17, 2008 3:50 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Jean, you might want to check your travel dates. I'm not quite sure if we have time travel available yet, but hey, you never know.

--

Leah,

I have the feeling Kujo may be right. The only reason I say this is because I would think that if she were still in the mix she would be on the trip to Europe and Middle East. If she is on that trip, I would seriously believe that he may be choosing her. Otherwise, I don't think it will. Sorry :(

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Oh and Beryl, thanks I totally agree with your statement.

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I still can't believe that Bush is trying to redefine all hormonal contraception as abortion. Yet PUMAs still don't care. UGH!!!!!; July 17, 2008 4:24 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: jean said...
By the way. I found my airplane tickets REALLY CHEAP. Do you think something is wrong?

Jean,

Be sure to check the date!! If the first two digits of the year are '19', and/or if the last two digits are more than '08', they are old and of no use!!!

VBG

Mike; July 17, 2008 4:29 PM
jean said...: indy,
I need to look into this redefinition.
Does this include the ,depo(don,t know how to spellit)shots.
Just asking or looking for direction.
jean
By the way.
There was no discussion of time travel but the guy said he had a great bridge I could buy very reasonably.; July 17, 2008 4:30 PM
jean said...: mike in maryland,
Do you want in my my real estate deal?
Heh heh.
jean;); July 17, 2008 4:32 PM
apissedant said...: Dave,
This isn't as much of a change honestly. Do some google research and you'll find tons of hospitals, doctors, and pharmacists refusing to sell or prescribe birth control due to calling it abortion. There is also a case of a lesbian in California. She went to get a routine physical so she could finish her adoption of a child. The doctor doing the physical asked her about her husband, and she explained that she didn't have one. He refused to complete the physical, and she didn't have enough time to schedule one with a new doctor, and the adoption fell through. This is all completely legal already, so I'm not sure what this policy actually changes.; July 17, 2008 4:34 PM
jean said...: ap,
I forgot to comment on your picture.
Absolutely beautiful:)
jean; July 17, 2008 4:38 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Independent Voter-

I think that Obama's trip to the Middle East is a 'congressional trip' - I don't know if Governors usually get to go on those or not.

But I am not going to put to much weight on who is on the plane and who isn't as far as the VP pick is concerned.

Hagel is NOT a Democrat and Nunn made a 'Czechoslovakia' mistake this week, so I am not so sure that Obama will be taking a 'VP' with him on his trip - as the media seems to think :); July 17, 2008 4:49 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant. Yes, I understand your point, but the feds currently do not define contraception as abortion. This could pertain to ALL hormonal contraception not just the morning after pill (and yes jean, that includes the shot, IUD, the pill, etc.).

Here's the WSJ article.; July 17, 2008 5:00 PM
Independent Voter said...: And Jean, here is the New York Times article.; July 17, 2008 5:02 PM
jean said...: Indy,
I have to stop working so much and follow your posts more closely.
I read the HHP article you posted.
Holy Crap.
My gynob is a born again and a republican.
I cannot tell you the conversations.
He would never support this and I do not think it has a chance to pass.
The drug companies would go broke and with that much money at stake NOWAY.
jean; July 17, 2008 5:06 PM
apissedant said...: jean,
Thanks.

Dave,
From what I understand, they're giving doctors permission to choose not to prescribe the pill, which doctors already have permission not to do. Not just the morning after pill, there are OBGYNs that refuse to prescribe the pill, hospitals that refuse to abort babies that are being carried in the fallopian tube and are therefore not viable and dangerous to the mother's health, and even giving a physical to a woman who wants to adopt a baby and is not married.

It is a ridiculous policy if instituted, but it will be overturned in 7 months, and is all bark and no bite. It doesn't actually change anything from my understanding. It is sort of like the Christmas Bill written by my wonderful ex Congresswoman: offensive, retarded, and pointless.; July 17, 2008 5:16 PM
jean said...: Ok, here is a question.
So if a woman goes through early menopause and wants to start taking hormones could this be turned away. Technically they can still have children.
Can you imagine a bunch of menopausal women banging down the pharmacist door demanding pills.

I just figured it out.

Perhaps they want to do this so that they can capture these women so that they can send them to Iraq to end the war quickly.
A bunch of menopausal women on the front line could pretty much scare anybody.
This is the only logical explanation I can come up with for this crap.
jean; July 17, 2008 5:24 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "But regardless. Should I not vote for Obama because people do not like Pelosi?"

Hi Kujo:

You have good questions. Here is my answer:

1. BHO was pushed above the "Full Hurdle" by the RBC/SDs because there was a virulent anti-women and anti-Clinton activists in the Democratic Party. These people were very angry at the Clintons for the 8 years of governing from the Center by the philosophy of "Triangulation".

In my mind, there were a few real "for Obama" support in the Primary. Most of college students and most of Blacks (on Black racism) went for Obama. That's it. All others were "anti-women" and "anti-Clinton" anarchists!

2. I brought Pelosi/Reid and Dumb Dubya to the picture to give you a comparative standing of McCain in the polls.

Dubya is a disaster, as is Pelosi.

As per today's Gallup Dubya has 29% approval ratings, while BHO has 46% and McCain has 44%.

3. Kujo, maybe you ARE a FAR Left Liberal in ideology: "High Tax and Big Govt - Govt is the solution, and the the Individuals need to depend upon the bloated bureaucracy of the Govt". So you will love to vote for BHO. Good for you.

But most of Americans in the heartland are Centrists, like me, who believe:

In small efficient truthful Govt not more than 18% of GDP.

3. BTW, McCain and GOP started July with 95 million dollars in the Bank, while BHO and DNC have only 92.3 million dollars.

4. For sure, BHO will raise more money in the GE. But the problem he will have is NOT Money but the Message. He has been flip-flopping on very many major issues. No one knows what he REALLY believes in.

With all the millions of money and spending 3 to 1 against HRC, BHO could not get the Primaries in TX, OH, PA, KY, WV, PR etc. Why?

Because,

Working White America Does NOT know him and believe him!

McCain won against the multi-million dollar War Chest of Mitt!!!

Because he has the Message.

Stay tuned.; July 17, 2008 5:31 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - I do understand what you are saying, however if it does goes through (it doesn't have to be approved by Congress), and if Mc"Needs A"Cain were to *cough* win *ralph*, do you really think it would be overturned? Highly doubtful. Especially if you consider his stance on mandating that insurance companies cover viagra but not birth control.

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Jean, I think that would be the ONLY reasons that the policy wouldn't fly.....$$$$$ to Bush's friends in the pharmaceutical industry. This also addresses another issue that we are failing to take into account. It also doesn't allow federal funds to provide no or low cost contraception to poor women via Medicaid. That is the problem with redefining "hormonal contraception as abortion".

I haven't looked that closely at the adoption issues, but I promise I will look further into it.; July 17, 2008 5:35 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Jean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's good. Where's PUMA when you need them.; July 17, 2008 5:36 PM
apissedant said...: Dave,
The last point is very good, and new. Free clinics currently provide free or reduced price contraceptives, and that is very important. To say that they no longer could do that would be very bad, though I have not seen that anywhere, so where did you get that info?

The WSJ one just said that you couldn't fire someone for refusing to provide it, it didn't say anything about preventing people from providing it.; July 17, 2008 5:40 PM
jean said...: Ap,
This really hits home for me.
My poor daughter started when she was 14(athletes are always late).
When she started she didn't stop.
My republican OBGYN put her on the pill after 3 months so that she would not bleed out.

To have someone say no to get her perscription would embarras her and it is none of their damn business.

jean; July 17, 2008 5:45 PM
Independent Voter said...: P'd ant - it always comes down to the Hyde Amendment. Any agency that provides abortion is not allowed federal funding. The same is true with overseas organizations who receive US aid.

That is why Planned Parenthood does not receive funds from the federal government.; July 17, 2008 6:01 PM
Independent Voter said...: For more on the Hyde Amendment, go HERE; July 17, 2008 6:02 PM
jean said...: Indy,
LEVITY.
You just said the answer.
We will place chocolate fountians in strategic places and form a dragnet around them.
We will scoop up the PUMA's and fly them directly to Iraq and Afghanistan and just drop them there.
They have hormones,anger and much more intelligence than we give them credit.
Everything will be over in 30 days and our men and women of the armed forces will come home.
We will save trillions of dollars and that money will go to education and healthcare and stablize social security.
I needed a happy story so I made one;)
jean; July 17, 2008 6:05 PM
Independent Voter said...: ROFLMAO Jean. Unfortunately chocolate can kill cats just like it can dogs. :( So I would suggest catnip instead :); July 17, 2008 6:08 PM
jean said...: Sorry Indy,
Middle aged women with raging hormones need chocolate.
Those are the casualties of war.
jean; July 17, 2008 6:11 PM
Independent Voter said...: LMAO jean!!!

Just don't give them strawberries to go along with it. Then they will need their birth control that Bush and McCain want to take away.; July 17, 2008 6:25 PM
apissedant said...: Dave,
I get what you're saying, but that is still a step away. The proposed regulation says that those receiving federal funds cannot fire someone or refuse to hire someone because they won't give out birth control. This legislation implies that the medical facility can still do all of these items, because if not, there would be no reason to regulate that their employees don't have to do it. You get what I'm saying? It sounds confusing the way I'm phrasing it.

Ok, attempt two.
The rule says that they cannot force an employee to do something, by saying that they can't enforce an employee to do it, implies that they as an organization CAN do it. It would take several years for this legislation to trickle down into stopping the funding of birth control if it ever happened, and I'm not a slippery slope thinker.

I'm against the new regulations obviously, they're terrible and horrible. I just wanted to point out that everything written in that regulation is already currently in effect. Doctors and pharmacists throughout the country are already refusing to give birth control, abort dead or dying fetuses for the health of the mother, and tons of other deadly decisions.

Lesbian Refused Routine Physical; July 17, 2008 8:18 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - I think I understand what you are saying. However, IF this only applies to employer/employee relations, it needs to explicitly state that. But it doesn't. It needs to be very explicit language. Simply by redefining contraception of any type as abortion does have the potential of the slippery slope scenario. And no, it would not take years to take hold, since it does not have to be approved by Congress.

I'm going to read the link you posted now.; July 17, 2008 8:29 PM
apissedant said...: Lesbian refused physical, pregnant woman with fetus in fallopian tubes told to, "wait until it makes her sick to abort," rape victims refused morning after pill, and gynecologist won't prescribe birth control. Mississippi passes law that says doctors can refuse to treat anyone for anything on moral grounds.; July 17, 2008 8:32 PM
apissedant said...: Dave,
I know it doesn't have to go through Congress, but it would still have to go through the courts, which does take years. It is written to vaguely to possibly come to a proper conclusion without judges and lawyers involved. At least the portion posted. Maybe there is more detail in the actual document.; July 17, 2008 8:36 PM
apissedant said...: Anyone read the links? Are you horrified yet? This is our country now, not after this regulation, but right now. I understand why everyone is upset about the regulation, but read that stuff and you'll realize we're already far past it. This is our nation as it stands, so speak louder and keep reading. We have a lot of work to do.; July 17, 2008 8:49 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - I slightly recall the case of AI, but not the adoption case.

I have the feeling that the CASC will rule in favor of the AI case. Basically because it is a contract service. But it also depends on the contract with the employer. If it is explicitly stated in the employers contract there is not much the couple can do. But if it is not stated in that contract that they will not AI a lesbian or a single person, they are sure to lose.; July 17, 2008 8:51 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: McCain Attended Zero Afghanistan Hearings In Last Two Years

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/17/mccain-attended-zero-afgh_n_113452.html

.; July 17, 2008 8:53 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - there is a problem with your analysis. Once it is written into the rules of HHS, the courts won't get involved until someone has been denied, just like all other cases. If it is enforced at the federal level, it will mean that women can be denied birth control until it reaches the SC, depending who wins the challenges and the appeals.; July 17, 2008 8:56 PM
Kujo said...: StopObamaNow?

"BHO was pushed above the "Full Hurdle" by the RBC/SD's.

I will admit the whole SD idea was/is a bad way to run a primary, but lets face it, Obama had stil won the primary without SD's. It is impossible to push over the hudle in any semi close race without them. As for the RBC, the fact of the matter, what they did helped Clinton not Obama, They did this in order to try to attact voters from Michigan and Flordia.

few real support for Obama except for blacks, students went for Obama? Hello. Obama lead all states in the EDUCATED VOTE. This does not mean college vote. Yes students also liked Obama, but EDUCATED vote was high income people. This remains true now.

Clinton closed the race not with EDCUATED PEOPLE, but by turning the primary's main issue to be race. She started getting the Blue collar vote. People who may have lost jobs or had friends lose jobs because of affirmative action.

Obama won states like North Carolina, Virginia, Iowa, Idaho, Wisconson, Colorado, Minnasota, Montana, Wyoming, Washington, Oregon, Maine, Alaska, Connecticut, Delaware, Kansas, Maryland, North Dakota, Utah, Vermont

None of these states have large black population, none had a significant college turnout.

#3 You made a mistake:

FAR LEFT: BALANCE BUGET, LOW GOVERNMENT SPENDING, HIGH EMPLOYMENT = STRONG ECONOMY, LARGE GROWTH IN NET WORTH for CITIZENS

FAR RIGHT: BIG SPENDING, LOW TAXES, TRICKLE DOWN. HOPE HIGH INCOME PEOPLE MAKE MORE MONEY SO THEY CAN SPEND MORE AND DRIVE THE ECONOMY

the BIG spending Big government days are long gone, I am not stupid enough to believe propaganda (but I am stupid enought not to spell it right)

I paid more in taxes last year then you will earn in a life time. Taxing the Rich will effect me, but I undstand the economy and how I will benfit when the country benifits.

Are economy is in terrible trouble, Big trouble, Huge trouble.

We can not continue to run up debt. We can not continue to send our money to other countries. We can not continue to fund a war that will not end.

We can agree that Government should shrink, but lets look at what happen in the last 7-8 years verses the previous 8 years. Quit listening to propaganda and start looking at the facts.

Flip Flop Flip Flop.

If we look at flip flop we will see McCain has FlipFlopped over 100% then Obama has. But in elections its not what the truth is, its how often you say it and for how long. Obama = Flip Flop, Obama = Flip Flop, you will hear this in the press 24/7 for the next 4 months. Does not matter if it is true, its anything to win.

McCain has flip Floped on every major issue.

But the truth in flip flop is you have to look at every situation and evaluate it on its merits. Someone in the 1980's may have been against the idea that there was a global warming problem, but now with more evidence, has changed there opinion. Is this a bad thing, or should they stay with what they believed in the 1980's and never change again because in the next election the other candidate will say you flip flopped.

A successfull business man knows that it is possible make a different decision now then one they made in the past and both be correct. This is true because the facts have changed and you make a decision based on the facts at the time you make your decision.

When I am considering who I am going to vote for, I don't look around and say, wow my neighbor things this so I should do the same. The polls say this so I should do the same.

You continue to try to make people believe that Obama has no support so we should vote for McCain.

Why don't you say McCain's ideas are better so we should vote for McCain. This really shows how weak McCains ideas are if you can not use them to try to convince us that he is the better man.

If I look at the 3 primary issues that face our nation: WAR, ECONOMY, GLOBAL WARMING I find Obama's ideas are far superior to McCains.

WAR: Iran is contining to fund the resistance and will continue to do so. If we are strong in West Iraq, they will fund the east. If we are strong in the east, they will fund the East. If we are strong in both, then they will fund Afganistan.... The war will not end.

ECONOMY: We can not address the economy without looking at the amount of money we are spending, starting with the WAR. We can not raise TAX's on the majority of the American people, but we need to start paying for our depts. Because of this we have to raise it on the rich until we can balance the budget again.

ECONOMY 2: For years the US largest export has been CASH. We continue to have exorbinate amount of trade imbalance. If we do not move ride our country of Oil (our largest import), we are in big trouble.

GLOBAL WARMING: Contining from above: the auto industry has the capacity to run our auto's on electic (with faster speeds and longer distances. Cars today can be built to run 250 miles per charge and be recharged in 10 minutes). We need to reduce the amount of energy needed in our homes by using Green Energy (If we convert our heating and Airconditioning to Geothermal solutions, we can reduce our energy needs by 90%.

One other reason not to vote for McCain. He comes out and says we need to build 30 more Nuclear Power Plants. Why? Because if France can do it then we can do it. I agree, Nuclear may be a good solution. But we have many more options that France does not have. Why not implement them? Just to come out and say we need 30 more nuclear power plants shows he has put know thought behind what he says.

Vote for the best solution for our Future.... Vote Obama; July 17, 2008 8:56 PM
apissedant said...: Dave,
I am sure you can agree with this:
Discrimination is discrimination. You should not be able to put a clause in a contract allowing discrimination. People should not be allowed to picket a military man's funeral damning him and blaming his death on gays. There are limits to all of our freedoms, and those limits are the points in which we are severely hindering the freedoms of those around us. These are those points. I don't agree with the ACLU, the NRA, PETA, or any other crazy fringe group that attempts to impose and practice their views at the detriment of all around them.

Black and white thinking is illogical and counterproductive.; July 17, 2008 8:57 PM
apissedant said...: Dave, true enough, but again... middle of January and the nightmare ends. We get to start rebuilding... virtually from scratch, but rebuilding none the less. This one is ours, and we need it.; July 17, 2008 8:59 PM
Independent Voter said...: p-d ant - I totally agree. However, when was the last time we took this administration for granted and said, no effing way, he couldn't be that stupid, could he? He wouldn't really do that, would he? And then turns around and the whole slippery slope scenario came to fruition.; July 17, 2008 9:08 PM
Independent Voter said...: BTW p'd ant, I'll take the ACLU over the ACRU ANYDAY!; July 17, 2008 9:13 PM
apissedant said...: Dave,
Two very good points. The ACRU is truly disturbing and scary, and kind of a 1984 style name. They're main purpose is to protect the right to discriminate? Really?; July 17, 2008 9:48 PM
Independent Voter said...: Another btw p'd ant. The only way the nightmare will end in January is if we get Obama elected.....otherwise we are all f'd.; July 17, 2008 9:51 PM
apissedant said...: Yeah, I'm just assuming Obama wins. We'll all work, and America will flip a coin, and make the right choice for the first time in 8 years.; July 17, 2008 9:58 PM
Independent Voter said...: Question......wasn't the Kurds supposed to be our strongest "supporters" in Iraq?; July 17, 2008 10:25 PM
jean said...: Indy,
I am following Ap's premonition of cocktails etc.
The Kurd's were and are but remember Hussein killed a lot when he could. Mustard gas etc.
Is this out of context or am I not following.
jean; July 17, 2008 10:50 PM
Independent Voter said...: Jean, the only thing separating me from that premonition...Friday...LOL!!!

That's what I thought about the Kurds, but then why THIS? if we aren't in Iraq for oil? By that, I mean, why would this be a problem if we aren't there for oil? How does it "undermine" our mission?

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see that a GOP douchebag is getting his clock cleaned, but I don't understand how it would be a problem if we aren't there for oil.; July 17, 2008 10:57 PM
Independent Voter said...: Yikes, Stranger Danger!!!!!!!!!

Even the littlest of them know to run away from Bush.; July 17, 2008 11:50 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: Kujo:

Thanks for your nice reply.

Here is my answer:

1. On Who is a FAR LEFT Liberal: BHO hated the Clintons' 8 years in Office. Bill ruled the country from the Center, as I said before. During his tenure, he convinced the Bond Market that he will not be a "Tax and Spend Liberal" and said "the Era of Big Govt is over". Because of that conviction, the bond market rocketed, and the interest rate tumbled, and the economy took a sustainable growth trajectory upward: 22 million new jobs created, and the GDP grew at a speed of 3.75%.

After the economy took off, he raised the tax on high income people; he trimmed the size of the Govt; he reformed the welfare programs. As a consequence of all this, he could balance the budget near the end of his term.

By mistake you want to take Clintons' achievement as credit for "the FAR LEFT Liberal Philosophy". You are dead wrong. The credit goes to the Centrist philosophy of the Clintons.

On the other hand, the dismal days of Carter during 1976-80 is the Gold Standard of FAR LEFT Liberal Philosophy. BHO = Carter II. NOT Clintons.

BHO represents the true "FAR Left Big Govt" philosophy. Under his plans, the budget deficit will go from the current $400 billion to $1 trillion dollars. You will be terribly disappointed to see that he is NOT for a restrained Govt spending.

Tell me a time, When did he give a speech to contain the size of the Federal Bureaucracies/Agencies. He didn't. He won't. His liberal constituencies: Blacks, Teachers Union etc will desert him in a heart beat.

2. On the WAR: He is for WAR, not in Iraq but in Afghanistan/Pakistan. Therefore, the WAR spending is not going to come down under his plans. A WAR in Afghan border will be bloodier and costlier than the Iraq War. You will be terribly disappointed that he will bring home all the combat troops in 16 months. They will be rerouted to Afghan border. Believe me.

3. On the Economy: When we are in recession, raising the tax on economy will cripple it. Further, the tax revenue will be LOWER if the tax rate goes UP during a very weak economy. This is Econ 101.

BHO wants to raise the tax on the "wealthy" NOT because he wants economic growth, but because he wants "Fairness". This is a typical philosophy of a Bleeding Liberal who wants to engage in Class Warfare, not on economic growth which benefits ALL citizens.

Stop BHO now. He is Carter II. He hates the fiscal conservative Bill Clinton.

I love to debate on substantive issues like this, if you want to.

BHO will win ONLY if he convinces American electorate that he is a Centrist and a fiscal conservative like Bill Clinton. They have the fond memories of the good days of 1992-2000!

McCain will be a strong Commander-In-Chief and strong in National Security. I need not worry about another terrorist attack in America (as per most polls for a long time).

BHO is untested, inexperienced, therefore, very risky, IMO. His flip-flops confuse people.

He has to articulate clearly about his true passion and style of Governing. What are his core values? Do you know?

Stay tuned.; July 18, 2008 12:21 AM
tmess2 said...: I almost enjoy the trolls in here. I have never seen people more emphatically repeating erroneous statements after being proved wrong except in Shrub and McSame press conferences.

I can't want to see YamaSONs post the day after the election, it will be something like the media report of the vote total has to be wrong the American People would never give 55% of the vote to Obama.; July 18, 2008 12:22 AM
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Independent Voter said...: In memory of Jesse Helms.

Great video from 1991 of Jesse Helms' house in VA being covered with a giant inflatable condom by AIDS activists.; July 18, 2008 12:25 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: Kujo:

Yes most of the "college-educated" Americans voted for BHO. Remember, in America only about 45% is "college-educated". HRC got the bulk of the Majority of the Americans.

(NC has a large Black population - the last State that BHO won comfortably to take a lead in the pledged delegates. Blacks, 92%- in the Potomac Primaries - went blindly for him NOT because they KNEW him well, but because of his color, which I call it as Black Racism. Now, Jesse Jacksons of the world are questioning their blind move!!)

In my mind, most of the so-called "educated" are basically "anti-women" and "anti-Clinton" crowd. Very few are For Obama in it.

Stay tuned.; July 18, 2008 12:36 AM
tmess2 said...: jBefore calling it a night, have to post the latest tactical ineptitude out of the McCain campaign.

They are now calling Obama's health care plan "Hillarycare."

Now this takes the cake for being beyond dumb. For voters under 30 (McCain's weak point), the term is meaningless as most voters under 30 were too young in 1994 to be paying attention to national politics. For voters over 30, McCain has been trying to convince Hillary voters that he is really on their side. Reminding these voters that Obama's policies are similar to Hillary is not the way to do it.

Is it reallhy a fair election when both campaigns are helping Obama?; July 18, 2008 12:42 AM
tmess2 said...: Now I get it. There are two threads in here. One is in the real world where Oregon voted after North Carolina and Obama will be the next President, one takes place in an imaginary world like the Matrix where reality is whatever someone thinks it is.; July 18, 2008 12:44 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "the day after the election, it will be something like the media report of the vote total has to be wrong the American People would never give 55% of the vote to Obama."

It is theoretically possible that BHO will get 55% of the votes, IF he articulates a vision of a Centrist Govt with fiscal sanity, like that of Bill Clinton.

Otherwise, it is impossible. You are on a Magic-Carpet flying to the Mars!!!!!

BHO is flip-flopping to the extent that Jesse wants to cut his nuts off!!!! He also used "N-word" to vent his disgust.

Interesting to see how the FAR Left Liberals will feel when BHO deserts them for the sake of getting votes from the working Americans.

He will do and say ANYTHING to win the Presidency! But he is very naive on War and the Economy!!!

Stay tuned.; July 18, 2008 12:48 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: McCain calls Universal HealthCare for ALL as "HillaryCare" because of the historical nature of it. She articulated the need for it since 1993. Young voters love to know the history.

BHO wants to achieve HillaryCare if elected.

Therefore, UHC is HillaryCare.

Where is the problem?; July 18, 2008 12:52 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: How many times have we been told by Der Schrub that "We are in a war against terrororor"?

Then why are Air Force Generals using millions of dollars of "counterterrorism funds on "comfort capsules" to be installed on military planes that ferry senior officers and civilian leaders around the world, with at least four top generals involved in design details such as the color of the capsules' carpet and leather chairs, according to internal e-mails and budget documents"?

Article at Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/17/AR2008071703161.html?hpid=topnews

TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/5h8t2l

Mike; July 18, 2008 1:20 AM
Kujo said...: stopobamanow:

"in America only about 45% is "college-educated". HRC got the bulk of the Majority of the Americans."

I really do not understand this logic. Having a Math major I guess I need to go back and re-educate myself.

45% of Americans are "college-educated" does not translate to 45% of the voting public are "college-educated"

So somehow you grouped all the people who voted for HRC and all the people who did not vote at all and gave them to HRC vs the voters who voted for Obama.

If we look at the actual popular vote, Obama got more votes then HRC. HRC got a significantly less amount of the college-educated vote then Obama, and Obama got less blue collar vote then HRC.

But I will admit the race was close. But considering HRC came in at a 15 to 20 point favorate, had the backing of the core Democratic party, had the backing of the "money" maching, had the backing of the democratic infrastructure, what Obama accomplished is significant. Now he comes in to battle McCain with a little more force then he did with HRC.; July 18, 2008 1:39 AM
Kujo said...: McCain is very short sited, can not understand the complexities that exists. He is too focus on tactics and not enough on strategy when dealing with Iraq and the Middle East.

In order to be qualified to be president you need to be working on Strategy.

McCain has yet to talk about our strategy for dealing with the middle east.; July 18, 2008 1:44 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Seems that Mc"Needs A"Cain's effort to woo the Latino vote is not succeeding. In a Washington Post article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/17/AR2008071701464.html), Marcela Sanchez states (among many other things), "For months now, polls have shown that Latinos are favoring Barack Obama over McCain by margins of 2-1 or better."

According to the article, the effects of unemployment and the housing crisis are falling harder on Latinos than any other segment of the population, except maybe AAs. As stated in the article, "The five states most affected by foreclosures -- Nevada, California, Arizona, Florida and Colorado -- have high percentages of Latinos in their populations."

Latinos have a much more favorable view of Senator Obama's plans (vs. Mc"Needs A"Cain's) that Sanchez writes, "In many respects, this year's election may be a case in which Obama's economic and other domestic proposals, even if they involved sending the first kangaroo to the moon, would still win broad support among Latinos."

Mike; July 18, 2008 1:55 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: According to the New York Times:

Electrical Risks at Bases in Iraq Worse Than Previously Said

Shoddy electrical work by private contractors on United States military bases in Iraq is widespread and dangerous, causing more deaths and injuries from fires and shocks than the Pentagon has acknowledged, according to internal Army documents.

During just one six-month period — August 2006 through January 2007 — at least 283 electrical fires destroyed or damaged American military facilities in Iraq, including the military’s largest dining hall in the country, documents obtained by The New York Times show. Two soldiers died in an electrical fire at their base near Tikrit in 2006, the records note, while another was injured while jumping from a burning guard tower in May 2007.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/18/world/middleeast/18contractors.html?ref=middleeast

How will Mc"Needs A"Cain explain this? And will he defend the posh aircraft accommodations the Air Force Generals want, while dismissing the dangers of shoddy electrical work by contractors?

Mike; July 18, 2008 2:04 AM
Joshua said...: Mr. Obama currently has a mini-State Department of 300 advisers on his campaign and he receives 8 a.m. briefs every day.

There has never before been a more prepared presidential candidate than Mr. Obama. HE IS READY TO LEAD ON DAY ONE. I am continually amazed by the thoroughness of his preparation. Lately, he has been setting the U.S. foreign policy and Bush has been following Obama’s lead, albeit kicking and crying: take for example Pakistan. Obama stated several months ago that we should go after targets there with or without Pakistani government agreement. At the time he was decried for the statement. But within one month, that became U.S. policy.

Another example: Mr. Obama stated that we must pursue diplomatic power with Iran. Bush called him an appeaser from the Israeli Knesset. But within one month, that is now the official U.S. policy.

Even before getting into office, Mr. Obama is already the de facto President of the United States.; July 18, 2008 3:17 AM
apissedant said...: Dave,
They have some crazy oil revenue sharing thing in Iraq. The money they get from the oil gets spread around by the Iraqi government, and if individuals or groups started making oil deals outside the national Iraqi government, it would undermine the current profit sharing rules. Southern oil fields would start getting upset that their oil revenues were going to the Kurds when Kurdish revenues were only going to Kurds... and then more fighting could erupt. Remember, the Gulf War started because they felt Kuwait was undermining fuel prices by increasing oil production by too much. If individual groups of Iraqis could drill or authorize drilling by themselves and take the profits themselves, then they could all end up competing for revenue, driving down prices, and causing strife between the sects or communities.; July 18, 2008 6:24 AM
apissedant said...: Dave, I just watched the stranger danger thing. I don't mean to be rude, but that is the ugliest child I have ever seen.; July 18, 2008 6:27 AM
apissedant said...: Dave,
My favorite thing from the giant condom and Jesse Helms.... that stupid b**** that was upset that they were disturbing the neighborhood. She explained that Jesse had never gone and disturbed their neighborhood, so he had no right. Sure, his actions were causing millions of deaths, but they were able to sleep in peace, and that's what counts.; July 18, 2008 6:41 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Kujo

Obama did not get more votes than Hillary.She lost with the big help of the media just goes to show you how much power they have or should I say that the public lets them have. Jean; July 18, 2008 8:27 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "McCain is very short sited, can not understand the complexities that exists."

kujo:

McCain is NOT very short "sited"!!!!

You don't know what you are talking about!!!!!!

He understands the complexities that exist.

Kujo, these things are over your head, just forget it!!!!

You are a nice person, though.

Stay tuned.; July 18, 2008 9:28 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "If we look at the actual popular vote, Obama got more votes then HRC"

kujo:

Where were you all these months?

HRC got more than 18 million votes and BHO got less than 18 million votes.

Even if you give 60k unearned votes in MI for BHO, HRC got a net of about 150K more than him.

I agree he got about 126 more PDs than her.

The rest was FAR LEFT Liberal anti-women anti-Clinton Conspiracy!!!

Explain to me this:

With tons of money, spending 3 to 1 over HRC, how come he did not win large Primaries like TX, PA, OH, KY, TN, PR etc.

How come he did not win MA, CA even with the Kennedys' support and his money machine?

All because he does NOT have the Message, stupid.

Stay tuned.; July 18, 2008 9:37 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: Obamaphiles:

John Kerry had immense experience in Govt, had plenty of money and name recognition. And, he got about 59 million votes - much more than what Clinton got in 1992 and 1996.

Still he could get only 251 EVs.

Then, why and how the naive novice BHO would get more than 251 EVs in this GE?

Be real, folks.

Stay tuned.; July 18, 2008 9:48 AM
apissedant said...: Aunt Jean,
That argument is dead. She lost fair and square, she agreed to the rules beforehand, please stop bringing it up.; July 18, 2008 10:26 AM
Beryl said...: I agree w/apiss, Aunt Jean. We all need to agree to disagree on many details of the Primaries and move on.

At the Michelle O. reception, I spent a significant amount of time talking to a lady who was an avid HRC supporter. She was white, Jewish, and over 60. I admired her because she had moved on with gusto. She was telling me about how McEvil had cheated with Cindy long before he had divorced his previous wife, Carol. She thinks EVERYONE should know about this part of his character.

I think it is healthier to ignore Primary details with which you take issue and concentrate on taking McEvil down.; July 18, 2008 10:49 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "Even before getting into office, Mr. Obama is already the de facto President of the United States."

Yes, he can have the Oval Office in Hyde Park, and make videos of his daughters for political purposes!

What did the liberal MSM call Chelsey for campaigning for her mother?

BHO can follow McCain in going to Iraq for the Fact Finding Mission!

Good Job, the Naive Novice POTUS!!!!

American Electorate is pretty smart. They denied Kerry the Job because they knew he was a MA Bleeding Liberal!

Is BHO not a IL Bleeding Liberal?

History will repeat, folks.

Here is a possibility in this GE:

1. BHO would flip-flop to become a Centrist. People will see his tricks and tactics.

2. Blacks and homosexuals will be enraged and will revolt.

3. Pastor Wright will grab the media attention again to rave and rant against the flip-flopper.

4. Media will run Rezko, Wright, Ayers and Michelle clips over and over again and again in October '08 nationwide.

5. BHO will get a ticket to go back to Hyde Park.

The RBC/SDs of the undemocratic Democratic Party will lick the wounds of retribution and revenge for the next 8 long summers!!

Stay tuned.; July 18, 2008 10:56 AM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - I understand the whole revenue sharing concept. What my problem however is that we have been told this entire time that oil is not the reasoning for our occupation, even though their oil profits would more than pay for the war.

I guess the biggest problem that I have with it is that we have US contractors over there involved in "their" oil "exploration" and drilling. We should have never gotten our oil companies/US contractors involved unless requested by Iraq's elected government.

The problem that many Iraqis have with the US occupation is the lack of jobs. We need to get our contractors out (except for playing "supporting roles") and employ Iraqis to do the job.

We have seen how handing out cash to the Iraqis has reduced the violence, giving them a job that will help them advance would have the same result.; July 18, 2008 11:03 AM
apissedant said...: Dave,
I completely agree. There are a lot of things about the Iraq war that upset me. I'm not even talking about why we went, just about how we went in.

Getting rid of their military was ridiculous, and not expecting serious problems when their military had been holding the country together was retarded.

Not rebuilding all of the items we blew up and destroyed was terrible. We learned from WWI and WWII how important rebuilding a nation was, and yet we never did it.

The privatization of our military, and our rebuilding forces, making them all for profit. They didn't hire Americans or Iraqis for the most part, instead they chose cheap third world labor. This is terrible, destroying the economies of both the US and Iraq at the same time, while making these people rich.

How we were dumb enough to elect these people, who had apparently missed the chapters on the Great Depression, WWI, WWII, and Vietnam in their history books, well it is just amazing.; July 18, 2008 11:21 AM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant How we were dumb enough to elect these people

Well, I wasn't among the 50,456,002 (2000) or the 62,040,610 (2004) who voted for shrub. Can't blame me. :); July 18, 2008 12:40 PM
Independent Voter said...: WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unbelievable. This priest as far as I'm concerned has gone way too far.

Word spread like wildfire in Catholic circles: Douglas Kmiec, a staunch Republican, firm foe of abortion and veteran of the Reagan Justice Department, had been denied Communion.

His sin? Kmiec, a Catholic who can cite papal pronouncements with the facility of a theological scholar, shocked old friends and adversaries alike earlier this year by endorsing Barack Obama for president. For at least one priest, Kmiec's support for a pro-choice politician made him a willing participant in a grave moral evil.

I'm sure that most everyone here knows that I am a "non-believer" when it comes to religion; however, I am just curious, since when did priests begin to deny communion to those parishioners that don't agree with there political views?; July 18, 2008 12:52 PM
apissedant said...: Dave,
I'm not part of that ridiculous number either, but in a country that claims to be the greatest nation, the smartest nation, the nation of opportunity, have the greatest health care, and all the other claims we make... Well... If all that is true, how do we make these terrible choices?; July 18, 2008 1:12 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - unfortunately people can make the claims all they want, but just because a claim is made does not make them true. Take our village idiot for instance.....LOL; July 18, 2008 1:19 PM
tmess2 said...: Independent, it has been going on for some time over abortion -- probably since the mid-1990s. You also had some similar things in the 1960s regarding supporting segregation.

It's always a small percentage of priests and bishops who misinterpret papal pronouncements to raise political positions on the best method to approach a moral problem to being equivalent to the underlying sin.; July 18, 2008 3:07 PM
apissedant said...: DAVE!!!

You're not allowed to say we're not the greatest best nation of earth. That is against the rules!!! Republicans can now label you an unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer. Good job. :(

You can never question the patriotism of a soldier unless he is a Democrat, you can never question the motives of a business or businessman unless they are foreign, you can never question someone's religious principles (unless they do not believe in Jesus), and YOU CAN NEVER SAY AMERICA IS ANYTHING LESS THAN #1 IN ANY CATEGORY!

There are nice ways around this though...

America is #1 in murders per capita for the industrialized world.

America is #1 in pollution.

America is #1 in people without health care in the industrialized world.

America is #1 in refusing to believe in evolution in the industrialized world.

America is #1 in infant mortality in the industrialized world.

See, now I have just asserted America's dominance without shoving my head up my ass. :); July 18, 2008 3:10 PM
Beryl said...: I didn't vote for Bush either but we have a lot of stupid US citizens. The same types voted for Richard Nixon also. McEvil is worse than Nixon but there will be a lot of people voting for him.

Perhaps women who vote for "McSogyny" should be treated the way HE thinks should be treated:

1. Called a "trollup"
2. Called the "c" word
He referred to the mother of his children, Cindy, by those names.

3. Called a "Bitch"
He laughed when someone referred to Hillary this way in one of his Town Hall.

4. Raped by a gorilla
He told a joke about a woman who enjoyed it.

5. Called ugly
He called Chelsea Clinton that when she was still a minor.

6. Bombed
He joked about bombing a country and didn't specify that he only wanted to harm their government or military.

7. Die of cancer
He joked about cigarettes killing Iranians

8. Not paid fairly
He voted against equal pay/equal work for women.

9. Not covered for medical treatment
He voted against birth control pill coverage which is more than a contraceptive. The Pill saves the lives of women who have irregular menses

10. Cheated on and dumped if they are injured or lose their good looks
He did this to his first wife, Carol.; July 18, 2008 3:23 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: McCain Predicts "Spectacular" Terror Attempts In Iraq Near Election

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/18/mccain-predicts-spectacular-terror-attempts/
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I guess now that McCain has leaked the Republican strategy out to the media the Bush folks won't be briefing him on their plans anymore ;); July 18, 2008 4:17 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: A few more McCain names that I've seen recently:

McOldTimer

McRelic

McFearMongerer

Obama/Sebelius '08; July 18, 2008 4:21 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: CNN is reporting:
"McCain surrogate makes controversial Muslim comment"

And that comment was?

"the Muslims have said either we kneel, or they're going to kill us."

He goes on to say, "I don't intend to kneel, and I don't advocate to anybody that we kneel, and John doesn't advocate to anybody that we kneel."

Who said it?

Bud Day, retired colonel who was a prisoner of war with McCain in Vietnam.

And the Mc"Needs A"Cain response?

Spokesman Michael Goldfarb said, “The threat we face is from radical Islamic extremism."

This type of statement and response will go a long way to win the hearts and minds of Muslims in the US and worldwide, won't it.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/18/mccain-surrogate-makes-controversial-muslim-comment

Mike; July 18, 2008 4:31 PM
Beryl said...: What is with these TV and radio replacements? Most pretty bad.

Ed Shultz' Replacement:
Not too bad but he never shuts down the idiots. He lets the "Limbotomies" blather on and on.

Randi Rhodes' Replacement
HORRIBLE! Yesterday, he slammed welfare moms. At the grocery he ran into a woman with children who had food stamps, a new car, and an iPhone.

He didn't want to hear that the iPhone and car may have been borrowed. He didn't want to hear that the kids may have been foster children. He didn't want to hear that the woman may have been wealthy but left an abusive relationship with her children and starting over with everything she could take away.

Today he wasted the day talking about how much he hated the Dems because they should stand up for the entire left agenda.

(Right, all Dems think the same.)

Chris Matthews Replacement - BORING as H*LL.

David Gregory's (Race for the WH) Replacement - Not as bad but not enough "edge".

The one exception was Keith O's replacement. He tends to pick good ones though.; July 18, 2008 5:32 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Beryl-

Keith's fill-in Rachel Maddow will be the next one that gets their own show on MSNBC...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/arts/television/17madd.html?_r=1&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

.; July 18, 2008 5:42 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: McCain Leaks Details Of Obama's Iraq Trip

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/18/mccain-leaks-details-of-o_n_113682.html

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McCain is a senile old man that should not even be the republican nominee!; July 18, 2008 5:57 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: As per Gallup.com, BHO's approval rating is going down from 48% to 45%. With all the media help and big money, he could NOT go past 50% anytime in the past, when the incumbent Republicans are languishing at low 30s!

McCain has 44% approval ratings over all.

He has a massive lead on being the Commander-In-Chief (75% to 45%) and on National Security.

He has proved beyond doubt that he is NOT McBush or McSame.

BHO is inexperienced, and is a FAR LEFT Liberal from IL.

Stop BHO Now. He is very Naive and Risky. A Novice on everything.

Stay tuned.; July 18, 2008 6:22 PM
Beryl said...: Thanks for that link, Leah. I've enjoyed Ms Maddow on Air America for some time. It is about time a woman had her own show. Ms Maddow is "over-qualified" from an education perspective but then that is expected since she is not a former beauty queen and she is a lesbian.

My sister is a recovering homophobe and when Ms Maddow first appeared on MSNBC, she missed important talking-points while making comments about Maddow's gender. I think last week's makeover (much mascara, lipstick, etc.) may help those who are distracted by visuals.

(Today on Race for the WH, she dropped the makeover -- "radio makeup", no jewelry, and a denim shirt. Maybe last week's foo-foo was just too much for her to continue for a 2nd week.)

Another woman on MSNBC I like is Michelle Bernard. She is slightly right of center and an extremely smart former attorney. Andrea Mitchell is good too but lacks the "edge" that I think is needed to host a show.; July 18, 2008 6:24 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "McCain is a senile old man that should not even be the republican nominee!"

Are you a registered Republican to make this call?

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Only they can question his credibility as their Nominee.

There are too many Senile Old Democrats around here!lol

Mc is too much experienced while BHO is too little experienced. Americans prefer the former over the latter any day!!

Stay tuned.; July 18, 2008 6:26 PM

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