Democratic Convention Watch: Open Thread

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

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Mike in Maryland said...: Some additional info about Wendy Gramm, Phil Gramm's wife:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Gramm

She's a real piece of work of the worst kind - on the same level as McSame, her husband, Shrub, KKKarl Rove, Darth Cheney, and the rest of the Neo-Cons.

Mike; July 11, 2008 3:06 AM
Judy Bienvenu said...: Here's an op ed Phil Gramm wrote in the Wall Street Journal about John McCain's abiity to save our economy.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110009690; July 11, 2008 3:38 AM
eleandil said...: Listen to yourselves! My god, let's just all turn into the republican bloggers and spend more time talking about who's wife did what, who said what about who and whether someone is gay or not! Get a grip people! I don't think after all the trouble Matt and Oreo and the rest of the crew went to to provide us with this opportunity to communicate openly that they meant for a gossip column to arise out of it!; July 11, 2008 4:10 AM
Independent Voter said...: Ok p'd ant - I'm BACK!!!!!!!

Yes, finals are over and gay pride is next weekend (7/19 & 20) they are expecting between 150,000 & 200,000 people to attend.

With that said, I haven't been ignoring you, just been busy. We decided last weekend that we are going to have a Kathy Griffin "My Life on the D-List" party this coming weekend. She is the "main headliner" at out pride festival this year. SWEET! We figured we would get everyone hyped up for it.

That is why I wasn't on yesterday. Had to go shopping to get ready for the party, as well as clean up the house - not that it is that bad, but you know what I mean. We try to have a pre-pride party every year which works out really well, because it gives us a chance to do our "spring cleaning" even though it is in the middle of summer. :)

Wednesday I have no excuse except to say that we went out for dinner and drinks.

In addition to that I haven't really payed any attention to the news lately except in passing. I heard about the Gramm's comment that we are all whiners. My response is NO we are bitter at idiots like him who don't cannot would never be able to understand what the average American has to deal with day in day out. I hope he is losing a bundle in the stock market crash as well as lose his home, perhaps the monsoons will bring lightening into his life. LOL.

Oh I also heard about Obama forgetting to ask his donors at a joint event to open their wallets to help wipe out Clinton's debt. I also heard that Clinton's supporters aren't opening their wallets either because Obama isn't giving them "titles" like "chief Hillraiser" or some other self-indulgent title that gives them a sense of entitlement. WTF?

But then again, that could be just the media trying to keep the race "close". You never know, especially the way they have behaved this election cycle. They don't seem to understand the concept of real journalism these days. Can we say network tabloidism?; July 11, 2008 11:22 AM
Karen Anne said...: Somewhere in my news travels this morning I read that Obama is really asking his fund raising types to get people to donate to Clinton, and that that is a tough row for them to hoe, because they want to concentrate on his campaign needs, not going to people twice for money.

Personally, if anyone belonged under the bus in terms of being bailed out of debt, it's Clinton. I would Just Say No. If she had run a decent campaign, it would be different.

Number crunching, if she owes about $20 mil, of which $10 mil is owed to herself, and Penn is apparently owed $8 mil as of a month ago, it sounds like she could pay off the small business people by reaching into her pocket for a few mil. Case closed after that, let Penn sue her.

Meanwhile in bizarro-land, the WSJ is saying Obama "only" raised $30 mil in June (McCain raised $22 mil), and blathers on about what a problem that is. But Obama's campaign instantly comes back and says they raised much more, but doesn't say how much,

Do you think they raised a ginormous amount, and were saving the story to release at some useful time, and the wsj is trying to prevent that?; July 11, 2008 11:42 AM
jean said...: Indy,
You're back.
I was close.
Gettin ready for a party for Gay Pride.
It is the party week;)
Ap thought that perhaps I was being bias, It's a huge party what does he expect with no school;)
You must tell me how it goes so that I can live vicariously through you;)
I am sure Ap will be happy to talk to you.
He was getting depressed I think.
Well, the market is crashing and I have to figure what to do at work.
jean; July 11, 2008 12:16 PM
apissedant said...: Dave,
You boys and your shopping! I have a joke I told about you, that I will pass on to you when I know you're online. I want to delete it after you read it, so I have to know you're on. ;)

Karen,
I'm not overly worried about money this election cycle. First off, the amount of money being spent sickens me. It especially sickens me after I watched a program about the war in the Democratic Republic of Congo. The entire war could be prevented with about 20 million dollars in funding, but we would rather spend that money on the 3AM phone call commercial apparently.
The second reason, is because I'm grooming myself for dissapointment. I honestly cannot imagine losing this one, regardless of how much McCain raises, or how little Obama raises. It just seems like the wrong candidate and the wrong time to try to win as a Republican.

On another note,
Did anyone watch Hardball last night? I thought I was dreaming or dead or something. I agreed with Pat Buchanan the whole night. He complained about fair trade and the outsourcing of jobs, and a whole bunch of other things I never thought I would hear out of his lips. I was amazed.

As to the other person on Hardball, it was the little nut that screams about buying stocks. I have no idea why that guy is still on TV, you would have thought his assertion that we should all buy Bear Stearns the week before they went under would kill a stock analyst's job, but apparently not. He claimed GM is doing great, and that their only problem is that the domestic market is saturated, but their exports are doing great.

Has this man ever been outside this country!?!!?!??! In my travels to various European countries, I could count the number of GM cars I saw on my fingers. I drove all around Holland and Belgium, and took the train all around France and England. I saw 1, count them 1 GM dealership the entire time. I can't believe people are still called "experts" and still get away with this open markets increases jobs horse crap.; July 11, 2008 12:28 PM
tmess2 said...: An open market only increases jobs if you are willing to compete. The Big Three have always thought that what will sell in America will sell in the rest of the world which is why CAFE scares them to death. Foreign automakers have had to emphasize fuel economy for sales in Europe for decades, giving them a big head start on producing cars that will meet appropriate fuel milage standards.

Of course, despite ruining their companies, the top executives of the Big Three still get salaries that exceed those of the top executives of these foreign automakers who are about to replace the Big Three at the top of the heap.; July 11, 2008 12:50 PM
Independent Voter said...: Hey p'd ant.

I'll be on for another hour or so, if you would like to post it. I'll respond quick so that you can delete it.; July 11, 2008 1:03 PM
apissedant said...: tmess2,
True, but how low would our wages have to go to compete with third world nations? Could we still pay our bills? Would we have to scrap our environmental standards? The Republicans never talk about opening free trade with Europeans, who are environmentally conscious, good with worker safety, and pay more than enough to live on. We could compete with those countries. Instead they open free markets to every third world impoverished country in the world, and say we'll be able to sell our computers, software, and cars to them. The cost of any of these items is only equal to their lifetime wages, so they'll totally go for it!

So why have we never heard a Republican argument for European free trade? Could it be that they're all lying to us, and they're just looking to prey on the poor and uneducated? Could it be that they're not actually trying to expand their market beyond our borders at all, that really they're just trying to increase their profit margin on what they sell here?
European Tariffs Get No Media or Republican Attention.; July 11, 2008 1:09 PM
apissedant said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 11, 2008 1:10 PM
apissedant said...: Oh, and I've decided to use that post as part of my resume in my next job application. I am going to apply to be the ghost writer for Bill O'Reilly's next book.; July 11, 2008 1:13 PM
jean said...: Indy,
The market is below 11,000.
Just to give you some info in mortgages.
The conforming jumbo by fannie and freddie said they would support amounts over $417,000 for 2-4 units.
Noone, no bank will do these loans and they will not purchase them.
CA is now out of the martket and quite a few others.
There are no investment loans for any property over $417,000.
There is a FEW 1 unit but not by Monday.
This is bad and happened just over the past few weeks.
Politically this is beyond.
McCain is clueless.
Stress is high, I have been walking 7-10 miles a day to burn it off.
I am trying to go with the cup is half full, I am getting quite trim;); July 11, 2008 1:14 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL p'd ant. True at that! LOL; July 11, 2008 1:15 PM
Independent Voter said...: Jean, I just turned CNN on and see the DOW down 220+ points, AGAIN!

I really wish the media hadn't tipped off the McCain's as to their failure to pay their property tax on their La Jolla home. I would have LMAO if they lost it to a tax default.; July 11, 2008 1:26 PM
jean said...: Indy,
That would of been a lot of fun.

With no product available for so many properties , well, holy crap.
Renters in 2-4 units have to be very careful.
Evictions are going to hit an all time high.
Dealing with high rates is one thing, no product is another.
Things being bad has not come close.
Why this is not common knowledge scares me.
Imagine going to get a car loan and the bank says we don't do those anymore.
jean; July 11, 2008 1:37 PM
Independent Voter said...: Jean,

I hear ya. I just hope things start to improve by next summer. We were notified last year that our apartment complex (16 units) is going to be bulldozed and that they are going to build a 14 story condominium complex. We decided to wait it out because of the city provisions about having to pay tenants 3 months worth of rent if they are being kicked out due to conversion projects.; July 11, 2008 1:42 PM
apissedant said...: Dave, did you read my long analysis of Presidential leadership and stock market performance?; July 11, 2008 1:45 PM
jean said...: Indy,
With the way things are going and commercial is worse, you may not need to move.
I would say wait to the last second.
Month to Month with the delays could work for you very well and I am sure you could negotiate a lower monthly payment.
Your area is growing drastically but product is getting very hard to find.
jean; July 11, 2008 1:49 PM
apissedant said...: If you use S&P 500 instead of DJIA, it goes: Clinton, Reagan/Bush, Carter, Nixon/Ford, and last with Bush 43.

By NASDAQ, it goes: Carter, Clinton, Reagan/Bush, Bush 43, and last Nixon/Ford.

No matter which market you use, the Democrats come up on top on fiscal performance.; July 11, 2008 1:55 PM
Independent Voter said...: Jean,

Ya, I have the feeling that they may postpone it even longer (originally it was set to take place this summer) due to the housing slowdown which actually started hitting San Diego in early-mid 2007. Several friends of ours had their homes on the market for over a year, and many of them had to take short sales. From what I have been told by them however is that Congress did get one thing right, the lost revenue by the bank on short sales are no longer considered income to the seller (at least for the moment.)

p'd ant - VERY good point.; July 11, 2008 2:05 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: this may be a rant that was here yesterday but I didn't see it (seriously, no time to read everything here!)

wtf is up with Karl Rove? he just decides that he doesn't have to respond to a subpoena?

I swear, this administration gets more arrogant by the day.; July 11, 2008 2:31 PM
apissedant said...: Don't worry Vicki, you're the first one to rant specifically on that. It isn't like he is the first Bush appointee that refuses to respond to subpoena though.; July 11, 2008 2:35 PM
apissedant said...: On another note... while the market is collapsing, people are being laid off, prices are going through the roof, and homes are being foreclosed.... why is one of the biggest stories the iphone 3g? What is up with our nation? Where are our priorities?; July 11, 2008 2:37 PM
Independent Voter said...: Vicki, I hear ya. I hope Congress follows through and throws that scumbag in jail where he belongs.

p'd ant, I'm not sure why everyone is so damn up on the iphone g3. I have the first generation iphone and hate it.; July 11, 2008 3:01 PM
Independent Voter said...: WOW! The DOW is bouncing back, only down 56 points now. What is going on that it would have that kind of rebound? Did oil prices fall?; July 11, 2008 3:02 PM
Independent Voter said...: Nevermind, it looks like Fannie May and Freddie Mac have reassured folks that a government takeout isn't necessary. We'll see if that changes next week.; July 11, 2008 3:04 PM
apissedant said...: Dave,
Aren't you troubled by the fact that a few words can have such a large and immediate affect on the market? Does it seem to anyone else, that there is point when the market is too open, and too liquid? Wasn't that the cause of the Great Depression? Weren't we supposed to have learned from that, and put in safeguards? What happened to our safeguards?; July 11, 2008 3:06 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - my apologies, I should have stated that there was some level of sarcasm in my post because yes, I am very concerned that people are taking things WAY too lightly. I also seem to remember a time not to long ago a few companies who kept saying that things were going great, and froze their employees from cashing out the stock they held in those companies while the CEOs were cashing theirs out.....hmmmmmmm, can we say ENRON and MCI?; July 11, 2008 3:13 PM
Independent Voter said...: On a brighter note, it looks like Cindy is about to lose the family business.; July 11, 2008 3:19 PM
jean said...: The market has been this volitile for a while.
A whisper and it can drop and it also goes the other way.
Ap,
There is safeguards and at certian percentages they will put a halt till everyone pulls their heads out of their butts.
Summer is always like this.
The difference now is when there is no product for mortgages there is only NO GOOD.
The problem is when bonds worsen and the DOW and NASDAQ worsen at the same time is when it sucks.
jean; July 11, 2008 3:19 PM
jean said...: Indy,
Lose or sell?; July 11, 2008 3:22 PM
Independent Voter said...: Jean, sell, but it isn't pretty.; July 11, 2008 3:27 PM
apissedant said...: Herbert Hoover on the crash of 1929:
"A voluntary deed is infinitely more precious to our national ideas and spirit than a thousandfold poured from the Treasury,"
"No one is actually starving."
At the outset of the depression, Hoover rejected Treasury Secretary Mellon's suggested "leave-it-alone" approach,[12] but at the same time he declined to pursue legislative relief, believing that it would make people dependent on the federal government. Instead he organized a number of voluntary measures

Does any of this sound eerily familiar with the Republican Party of today?

Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. reiterated that philosophy in prepared testimony yesterday, saying: "For market discipline to be effective, market participants must not expect that lending from the Fed, or any other government support, is readily available."
Gramm: "We've never been more dominant; we've never had more natural advantages than we have today," he said. "We have benefited greatly"
Bush: New Workplace Safety Policy Urges Voluntary Compliance

It is like they just got out of the time machine from 1928.; July 11, 2008 3:28 PM
jean said...: Indy,
Where can I find info.
It has been a long day;)
jean; July 11, 2008 3:31 PM
jean said...: Ap,
NOONE is starving and this is just OK and will just blow over.
All I can Ostrich's with their heads in the sand.
jean; July 11, 2008 3:37 PM
Independent Voter said...: Here you go jean

http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/11/news/companies/bud_inbev.ap/index.htm?postversion=2008071110; July 11, 2008 3:47 PM
Independent Voter said...: Presidential candidate Obama to sponsor Cup car at Pocono race

Hmmmmmmmm, I'm not sure if this is really a good idea. I understand the reasoning behind such a move, but look at what happened to Eight Belles!?!?!?!?; July 11, 2008 4:03 PM
apissedant said...: I bet greywolf is happy. I am pretty sure it was him who was pushing for Obama to sponsor a NASCAR car.; July 11, 2008 4:10 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Open Thread Electoral Vote Contest

The closer the election is the easier to guess the winning number will be.
So we will have a cut off date for number submissions of July 13th 11:59pm Texas time.
Duplicate number guesses will be allowed since there are only so many combinations available.
A total of 270 EVs are needed for a clear cut win - 269 would go to the House for a vote.
The list reflects the number of EVs for Obama (vs. McCain).

Submissions so far:
stop0 - < 251
JayW - 269
Beryl - 280
Hippolytus - 289
Dilbuck - 290
softspoken22 - 298
Emma - 300 (1)
Aunt Jean - 300 (2)
Richard - 304
jean - 311
Mike in Maryland - 312
tmess2 - 315
RobH - 317 (1)
apissedant - 317 (2)
Oregon Dem - 332
Leah - 345
Woodland Sprite - 360
Emit R Detsaw - 429
Independent voter - 538

Anyone that submits an early guess will be allowed to add (but not change) a second guess October 1st - 3rd. The early guess will be our main contest. The second guess will be considered a separate contest.

CONTEST SUBMISSIONS END IN THREE DAYS!

.; July 11, 2008 4:10 PM
Unknown said...: My entry for the electoral vote contest is 303 for Obama. I was going to give Obama one in Nebraska to make it 304, but I'd rather have a different number from everyone else. So 303 it is.

Of course, I'm hoping for quite a bit higher, and I don't think it's out of the question...particularly if Leah has anything to do with the Texas results! :D; July 11, 2008 5:34 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: eleandil said...
Listen to yourselves! My god, let's just all turn into the republican bloggers and spend more time talking about who's wife did what, who said what about who and whether someone is gay or not!

Actually, if you had taken the TIME to READ what we posted, and clicked the links, you would find that Wendy Gramm and Phil Gramm, when it comes to 'econonomic thinking', are two peas in a pod.

From 1985 to 1988, Wendy Gramm was head of the Office of Management and Budget's Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA). Remember during this time it was Reagan saying "Let's get the government off people's backs" and the method he used was to cut, cut, cut out all regulations that he could? It was Wendy Gramm who was in charge of cutting the regulations - but only the ones that 'put a burden' on business, including regulations that protected workers. But since business had to pay a small amount to comply with those regulations, they had to go.

From 1988 to 1993, she was head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. After a lobbying campaign from Enron, the CFTC exempted it from regulation in trading of energy derivatives. Because Enron was not regulated, they were able to manipulate the energy markets in California and Texas. Remember the rolling blackouts in California? The direct result of Enron being unregulated.

Subsequently, Gramm resigned from the CFTC and took a seat on the Enron Board of Directors. Nice reward for helping Enron out, wouldn't you say?

After the Enron scandal, Gramm and the other directors of the energy company were named in several investor lawsuits, many of which have been settled. In particular, Gramm and other Enron directors agreed to an $168 million dollar settlement in a suit led by the University of California. As part of that settlement, the directors agreed to collectively pay $13 million to settle claims of insider trading. The remainder of the settlement was to be paid by insurance.

After leaving Enron (just before the crash), she became chairman of the Regulatory Studies Program at George Mason University's Mercatus Center, a free-market think tank based in Washington D.C. In 2002, OIRA solicited public recommendations for regulatory reform. Mercatus made 44 recommendations. And what were those recommendations? Cut regulation, cut regulation, cut regulation, cut regulation, cut regulation, cut regulation, cut regulation.

And just what is the Mercatus Center? Mercatus' stated mission is to integrate theory and practice to produce solutions that sustainably advance a free, prosperous, and civil society. In other words, it doesn't want ANY government regulation at all for business.

None. Nada. Zip.

If Wendy Gramm had been at EPA, there would be much less regulation, if any, on pollution, and fighting against green-house gas. The EPA wouldn't have stated "We'll study it some more." No, the EPA would have put out proposals to eliminate almost all regulations.

The Mercatus Center also advocates that businesses of any kind pay no taxes at all.

None. Nada. Zip.

Mercatus is the scum of the scum of the business world. The Mercatus Center makes the Chamber of Commerce, the Club for Growth, the CATO Institute, and other Neo-Con arch conservative groups look like pikers when it comes to advocating cutting government regulation.

Wendy Gramm is a MAJOR force in reactionary political thinking, and has a tremendous influence on Phil Gramm's economic thinking, who as McSame's economic advisor has a major influence on what economic plans McSame would try to get enacted if he were President. Just because Wendy Gramm hides behind the scenes doesn't mean she isn't influential in some political circles.

So talking about her is not 'gossiping' in the least bit, but getting the facts out into the light of day.

Mike; July 11, 2008 6:42 PM
apissedant said...: "It's been a week of big political gaffes for both the McCain and Obama campaigns."

What the hell country have these talking heads been living in this week? Obama's big gaffes include a guy who is not connected to the campaign saying something stupid, and asking people to donate money to Clinton 10 minutes after he was supposed to. Is this reverse affirmative action? Why are these gaffes being placed on the same level as McCain's much bigger gaffes?; July 11, 2008 7:33 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - I hear ya! My opinion is that although most of our MSM tabloid journalists (reporters/talking heads) are Dems, the network owners are primarily Repugs (not to be confused with Republicans). Who do you think actually tell the teleprompter readers what they are going to discuss? I can tell you who it is not....the teleprompt readers. (Gotta hand it to those tabloid journalists though, most of them know how to read :); July 11, 2008 8:07 PM
Beryl said...: apiss,

I keep saying that there is a double-standard. McSlippery gets away with things that Obama would have never survived.

1. His economic advisor's comment about whining about the economy
2 McCain's inability to answer a simple question about insurance coverage for Viagra & birth control pills
3. McCain making comments about Social Security
4. McCain joking about killing Iranians

It goes and on.

It really isn't fair. Also, why aren't more Americans outraged and RUNNING (not walking) to Obama's camp?; July 11, 2008 8:13 PM
jean said...: Beryl,
They voted for Bush.
TWICE.
You may need to review your amazement.
jean; July 11, 2008 8:18 PM
suzihussein22 said...: beryl and leah-I liked the video you posted the link to recently.

beryl-Obama looks just as good in shades on your profile as dave did on his.

i v-What happened with your profile photo? I haven't even learned how to put one up.

I was at a wild party myself this week. My great-aunt's 99th b-day. My family has long living genes so I should be able to be a pain to the GOP for a long time. :D Now if only we could learn a little from her. She's even lived through WWI. I would trust her in the WH quicker than McCain.

Speaking of change, has anybody noticed that Doonesbury sounds different than it used to? I used to ask why it's even in with the comics. Even after I started understanding what it meant, I ignored it again. My husband pointed out a few months ago that it doesn't sound like it loves the GOP anymore.; July 11, 2008 8:31 PM
apissedant said...: UGH!!! SOFT!!!

Why are all you straight women in love with gay men! There are other guys here besides Dave, and we actually (occasionally) have sex with women! FAG HAG!

JK!!!; July 11, 2008 8:37 PM
jean said...: Beryl,
I didn't mean to sound mean:)
Sorry.
People do not even look at policy.
They just do not want change of any sort.
Stupidity runs rampant. They know better but keep on doing it.
There is little explanation on why someone would go Republican after the last 8 years.
I think people think it can't get much worse so it will be OK.
Stupid.
jean; July 11, 2008 8:41 PM
jean said...: ap,
Your jealous again.LOL
jean; July 11, 2008 8:45 PM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Hi apissendant, it was actually that emit r detsaw that sent a suggestion to the Obama campaign several weeks ago that sponsoring a NASCAR car seemed like a great way for Obama to get exposure in a market that was trying to open up diversity, and reach a group of voters that might not otherwise give him a second thought.

The fact that the owners of the car he will sponsoring are staunch Republicans and they will be holding a fund raiser for his campaign makes it priceless.

Sorry to toot my own horn, but doing back flips over this one.

Pennsylvania (Pocono Race)
Republican Owners from Florida
Sport that normally back the Republican
Sport looking to improve Image
Millions of Fans

Just doesn't get much better than that.; July 11, 2008 8:45 PM
suzihussein22 said...: apissedant-I would think your pie was sexy too, but I can't see the details. ;)

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1800019794/photo/38199

He would be sexy if he was wearing shades. Like somebody else was saying, there's NOTHING wrong with window shopping.; July 11, 2008 8:47 PM
apissedant said...: beryl, I felt like adding to the list of McCain gaffes THIS WEEK.

1. His economic advisor's comment about whining about the economy
2 McCain's inability to answer a simple question about insurance coverage for Viagra & birth control pills
3. McCain making comments about Social Security
4. McCain joking about killing Iranians
5. Claiming he had 100% ratings from all Veterans groups. Then, once the lie was exposed, saying he did not want to talk about Veterans issues anymore.
6. Pandering to Pittsburgh (while being interviewed in Pittsburgh) by claiming he recited their 1976 defensive line while a prisoner of war several years PRIOR to 1976, despite asserting for 30 years now, that he had recited the Packers starting line up.; July 11, 2008 8:47 PM
suzihussein22 said...: e r detsaw-Yee haw! That vet logo looks good too. Thanks!; July 11, 2008 8:49 PM
apissedant said...: emit,
My bad for giving credit to the wrong person. Good job, hopefully it works out. ;); July 11, 2008 8:49 PM
jean said...: emit,
It is a brilliant marketing tool.
You should make sure they keep your name if you don't work for them already.
Do you know what the cost is?
No matter what it is priceless.
The cost has to be minimal to the exposure.
jean; July 11, 2008 8:50 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Another McCain gaffe-He was complaining about how Obama voted on something, but wasn't there to vote either way himself. There's a country song about "There is No Arizona". I guess that's because McCain was AWOL for a vote and wasn't even representing his state, much less our country.; July 11, 2008 8:53 PM
apissedant said...: P.S.
My pie chart is the federal debt and who we owe the money to.

I put it up there because there are currently Republican articles circulating that says Democrats placed social security proceeds into the general fund, but in reality, they are not in the federal funds. It also shows the vastly expanding foreign debt. We now owe more money to foreigners than we owed in total in 1989. 25% of our national debt is to foreigners and foreign nations, with Japan and China leading the pack.; July 11, 2008 8:55 PM
apissedant said...: is Keith in a bar?; July 11, 2008 8:56 PM
jean said...: Ap,
What? Or shouldn't I ask.
jean; July 11, 2008 9:07 PM
apissedant said...: I'm watching Countdown, and they interviewed him over the phone while he was on his vacation. The background was very loud and there was occasional cheering.; July 11, 2008 9:09 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Zogby has the election right now as:
Obama - 273
McSame - 160

The undecided states are:
Virginia
North Carolina
Ohio
Indiana
Missouri
Nevada
Montana
North Dakota

No real surprises there, but also:
South Carolina
Arkansas

But the REAL surprise:
Arizona

Arizona???????? is considered a toss-up????????

Will wonders never cease????????

http://www.zogby.com/50state/index.cfm

Mike; July 11, 2008 9:24 PM
Independent Voter said...: suzi, I don't know what happened to my picture....I'll look into it.

Emit, good call on the NASCAR, I just hope it doesn't turn out like Eight Belles.

p'd ant - I'm not sure where KO was, I didn't watch it. I've been bored with the "News" lately. I should at least watch Countdown since Rachel is filling in. I'll catch it at the 8 rerun. :) Oh and by the way, leave my Fag Hags alone! :)

Jean, of course he's jealous.

Beryl, it looks like Mc"needs a"Cane (took that one from MinM) has stolen Bill's old nickname, McSlick.

I think I'm caught up for the moment.; July 11, 2008 9:29 PM
Beryl said...: Speaking of Rachel...

Girlfriend is looking better and better with the flawless makeup these days. Mary Kay?

She isn't quite is gorgeous as the black girl that used to fill in for him but she is coming along quite well.; July 11, 2008 9:37 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL beryl. Not really sure what she looked like before. I just like how she sticks it to Bush and Mc"needs a"Cain and the rest of the Repubs.; July 11, 2008 9:44 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Keith was at a ballgame tonight. He should have gone into the bathroom (or someplace) before he got onto the phone with Rachel - could barely make out what he was saying half the time.

I wish MSNBC would give Rachael her own show - but the probably won't because then they'd lose their fill-in gal ;0

I really really really DO NOT like that guy that has been filling in for Matthews.; July 11, 2008 9:56 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike -

I saw the Zogby data yesterday.

I think it is awesome that Obama is leading in ARIZONA!

The thing that worries me still is that the republicans are going to notice that McCain can't win the election and they will pick a different candidate at their convention. But there really isn't anyone else and they don't have enough time for some other person to get any momentum going for the republican party.

So I guess as it stands Obama is a shoe-in.

OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA '08

p.s. I am so happy that I am still alive to see all of this happening in my lifetime!; July 11, 2008 10:26 PM
apissedant said...: I hate that every media organization is part of the vast conspiracy to misrepresent the national deficit. It isn't new, they did it under Clinton too, and long before that, but it is still a major problem.

Bush took office in 2001, when the national debt was 5.6 trillion dollars. The national debt is currently reported to be 9.5 trillion dollars.

The largest deficit reported under Bush, which was the record for the highest deficit in history, was 412 billion dollars (2004). Last year was reported as 270, and 2005, the third largest in history, was reported as 319.

Now I'm no math genius, but 9.5-5.7=3.8 trillion dollars. Bush has been in office for 7.5 years. 3.8/7.5 (in trillion)=507 billion dollars average deficit per year. This is 100 billion higher than the largest deficit ever recorded.

Social Security, interest on the national debt, and the war funding need to be included in our budget. Could you imagine running your household budget without including interest on your mortgage or your credit cards, or without including medical bills or legal fees?; July 11, 2008 10:49 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Seems that the site for Senator Obama's speech in Berlin is causing a lot of problems for the White House and German Chancellor Merkel.

According to a Washington Post article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/11/AR2008071102967.html?hpid=topnews), some are stating that the White House put pressure on Merkel to stop the speech at the Brandenburg Gate. The White House, of course, is denying the charge (but when could be believe anything out of the White House? Before noon, January 20, 2001?).

Merkel's aides have said the chancellor thinks only elected foreign leaders should be allowed to use the Brandenburg Gate as a backdrop, and only for nonpartisan addresses. But the site has been employed by people other than heads of state before. On May 19, for example, the Dalai Lama spoke there. Ummm, who elected him?

The decision, though, lies with the Mayor of Berlin, Klaus Wowereit, a political rival of the chancellor. Wowereit has said that Obama can campaign wherever he pleases, including the gate.

And now the Brits are expressing feelings of being 'snubbed', since Senator Obama will touch down in Berlin before going to the UK.

The article also gives some info on the rest of the trip, who is accompanying Senator Obama, and recent polling in Germany as to whom they want to win the November election (Obama by 72-11!!)

Mike; July 11, 2008 11:48 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama passes on potential NASCAR sponsorship

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20080711/car-nascar-obama-sponsorship/; July 12, 2008 12:26 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike-

Now with all the hullabaloo it seems as if the Bush folks will have to tell Germany that it is a good idea for Obama to speak in front of the gate otherwise everyone will be blaming Bush LOL ;)

I am continually truly amazed at all the love for Obama in other countries around the world. Wake up America - Vote Obama '08; July 12, 2008 12:30 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Karen anne Clinton did run a decent campaign it's people like you and the media that made moutains out of molehills. Please keep your neg. comments about Clinton to yourself. The campaign is over with why can't people let it go and quite making RUDE remarks about Hillary. Jean; July 12, 2008 12:35 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 12, 2008 12:36 AM
Beryl said...: Conan is crazy.

http://www.nbc.com/Late_Night_with_Conan_O'Brien/video/index.shtml#mea=275049

2 Videos - 7/10 and 7/11; July 12, 2008 12:44 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Beryl -

Those are great! LOL ;)

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When is Saturday Night Live coming back? Anyone know?; July 12, 2008 1:05 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This list is hilarious!
It seems like a lot of people have compared Obama to just about everyone!
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Obama is the new...

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/07/obama-is-new.html

.; July 12, 2008 1:13 AM
Independent Voter said...: Ok, see ya'll tomorrow. I'm really tired. Goodnight all.; July 12, 2008 1:52 AM
apissedant said...: Tony Snow just died. I have nothing major to say about that, it sucks for his family.

I do have a problem with FOX News comparing him to Tim Russert. Except for the fact they both died very young, and that both were involved with politics and news, I see no comparison whatsoever.; July 12, 2008 7:34 AM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Yup Leah, saw the update on NASCAR's website this morning that the Obama camp had dropped the car sponsor deal. One of the factors might have been that the car was a Toyota, not an American brand.

Oh well, at least Obama's name got on the NASCAR site. ;o)

Maybe a Chevy, Dodge, of Ford team will man up with a proposal.; July 12, 2008 7:59 AM
apissedant said...: Emit,
Honestly, that was the first thing I noticed when I saw the whole thing get reported originally. I didn't care too much about the R next to all of the names, but the TOYOTA part was not good. I'm originally from the suburbs of Detroit, and I would have been a bit offended.; July 12, 2008 8:25 AM
billyjay66 said...: apissedant

re: Lies about the debt.

I have followed the growth of the debt since the '80's on a spreadsheet and they don't fool me. A more close approximation of the truth is 1) The SS surplus is robbed but not counted and 2) The war costs...NOTHING!...because it is off budget. The administration from the start would not budget and amount for the war because the costs would be "hard" to forecast. Using Ev Dirksen's lingo.... $100B/yr for the war $100B/yr for SS..... sooner or later it adds up to real money.

Regan- Bush I took the debt from $1 trillion to $4.4 trillion in 12 yrs. Bush II will take it from $5.6 trillion to $9.9 trillion. So 8 out of 10 trillion of our total debt lies at the feet of Regan-Bush-Bush. They are truly the free spending "liberals" who keep our taxes high.

Our highest ever debt was $0.25 trillion dollars after WWII. but that was 125% of GDP...equal to about $18 trillion compared to today's GDP.

But thru the cold war years and even Vietnam it reached as low as 33% of GDP. Like a debt of $4-5 trillion today.; July 12, 2008 9:46 AM
apissedant said...: billjay,
Completely agreed. A funny and terrible graph is shown at the skeptical optimist's website. If you google him, you'll be either spewing your breakfast all over the screen, or pulling out your hair within ten minutes. He makes a terrible graph that goes back all the way to the Revolution, and tries to use the two Gulf Wars, and the 80s buildup of the Cold War as the reasoning for the increase in percentage. He compares them to WWII and the Civil War. The Korean War and Vietnam aren't even mentioned. Apparently, they just weren't as big of wars as Iraqi Freedom and the Gulf War.

Republican Spin; July 12, 2008 10:02 AM
billyjay66 said...: appisedant

According to that "republican spin" graph the economic growth curve was in reverse during the Regan-Bush years I thought they bragged about the great growth thru those years.

Also during the best decline in the debt curve (1950-80) we spent money on Korean War,Space race, Created Medicare-Medicaid, cold War buildup, Vietnam. But what we had were taxes that were in line with expenses.

The only new policy since 1980 is "tax-cut and spend" -or in other words Mortgage Our Future.

A lie that has continued since the Regan years (unchallenged) is that taxes can be reduced and revenues will still increase. In raw dollar terms revenues slightly increase, but in terms of GDP% the only thing that goes up it the debt.; July 12, 2008 10:53 AM
apissedant said...: GDP vs. Debt

The above posted is a much better graph of the same item. It doesn't go back to 1792, which is useless anyways, and it identifies which party was in power during each period.

I love your, "mortgage our future" line. I plan to steal that, and I won't be sourcing you, just so you know.

As to the lie about revenues increasing, there is a point where it is true. If taxes were at 90%, a tax cut would increase productivity and lead to an increase in revenue. I do not doubt that theory, but I don't think it applies when dividend tax rates are 12%, or the marginal tax rate is 35%. These have been repudiated with countless historical data, and the fact is that people get to keep most of the money they earn, so they still work hard and earn it. I did a long and crazy and probably nonsensical post on this several weeks ago. I attempted to compare it to a company maximizing profits by deciding a production amount and a price that maximizes sales receipts (supply and demand), and minimizes costs of production (economies of scale). We are not at that maximized potential, and we are most definitely not beyond that point.; July 12, 2008 11:05 AM
suzihussein22 said...: irrelevant human interest-

http://tinyurl.com/5ehtrm

holy political bravado Batman; July 12, 2008 12:07 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - looking at you post about Tony Snow, totally agree. Tim Russert was a MUCH better journalist and interviewer than ANY of the Faux news people. How ANYONE can compare the two in equivalent terms is beyond me. I have noticed however, the news channels (not even Faux news) aren't really talking about him like they did when Tim died. Perhaps they even know there is no comparison.

I'm sure Faux will be covering it pretty heavily later on, but I doubt it will be to the extent they covered Tim.; July 12, 2008 12:57 PM
Independent Voter said...: In case anyone missed it, Mc"Needs A"Cain came out with a new radio attack ad recently which was stock full of lies.

But Obama has responded in kind with an ad of his own which refers to Mc"Needs A"Cain asMcSame and pretty much calls him out as a liar. Seems to me like Obama is just calling a spade a spade.; July 12, 2008 2:10 PM
tmess2 said...: It's hard talking honestly about the national debt because there are several different measures.

First, there is the annual budget deficit/surplus. However, certain things that should be off-budget like Social Security are on-budget and other things that should be on-budget like the war in Iraq are considered off-budget as "one time expenditures."

Second, there is the total national debt. This total includes as the debt owed to the trust funds (primarily Social Security but there are others).

Finally, there is the privately held debt (the one that the government can't just forgive).

Because you have these different numbers, it is easy to play games with the media who just don't want to work that hard to get to the bottom of it (with the exception of some partisan talking heads).

As to why the MSM is trying to make Obama's non-problems this week look as bad as McCain's serious blunders, there are two reasons. First, the MSM like to appear fair. Unfortunately, the way that they try to be fair is when what is happening actually does favor one side they try to make the news a little more ambiguous so that it appears that they are treating everyone equally. Second, a close race makes better news so they try to make the race look closer than it is and being more negative about the candidate in the lead helps in that respect.; July 12, 2008 2:16 PM
apissedant said...: tmess2,
True enough, but you'd expect one voice in the wilderness saying the truth on one channel or in one paper.

Dave,
Obama even paid for his own ad, unlike McCain, who despite his 22 million dollars, still had to beg for money from big daddy RNC.; July 12, 2008 2:36 PM
Independent Voter said...: Good point p'd ant. I just love that Obama is responding so quickly to the attacks and is hitting back hard. Kind of like his reference last month about taking a gun to a knife fight. :); July 12, 2008 2:43 PM
apissedant said...: I agree Dave. Not even Pat Buchanan can stay in line with the garbage spewed by McCain. Only the truly ignorant and truly corrupt are holding on at this point... hopefully Obama and McCain can continue down this trajectory.; July 12, 2008 2:51 PM
suzihussein22 said...: i v-I noticed Obama also named the right sports team. Petty I know, but it shows mental fortitude in the big scheme of things.; July 12, 2008 2:56 PM
Independent Voter said...: I've been convinced. I am now voting Republican; July 12, 2008 3:03 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - I know I did see Buchanan last night, and WOW! I'm SHOCKED, he and I agreed on something. I never thought it could happen.

Suzi, Ya. I'm sure that Obama wouldn't mix up the Steelers and the Packers, especially if he has told the exact same story, over and over again.; July 12, 2008 3:07 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: I love the different ideas and thoughts here - entertaining and informative!

I did go off and get a collection of Thomas Paine (forget who suggested that originally - apissedant?)

I fully expect that things are pretty quiet right now, Obama is likely resting up after that strenuous primary season. Fully expect things to be up and running by mid-August.

Love it that Zogby (?) has Obama ahead in Arizona! OUCH!; July 12, 2008 3:17 PM
Beryl said...: I didn't see what you did but Pat B. has compared Obama to Reagan on multiple occasions. Ever since he appeared to be moving to the center, he has complimented Obama on his wisdom.

Now, I still don't see Obama's positions as having changed at all. I think people on the left and the right put him in a box which never represented him.; July 12, 2008 3:17 PM
suzihussein22 said...: i v-I wonder where that was filmed. I recognized one of those guys. I would've gotten thicker frosting on that cupcake and my cookies are gooey.; July 12, 2008 3:26 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL suzi.; July 12, 2008 3:50 PM
suzihussein22 said...: This is through the TN link of Obama's website-

http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2008/07/roll-call-report-card-john-sidney.html

McCain didn't skip just one vote. What is AZ paying him to do?; July 12, 2008 3:59 PM
apissedant said...: vicki,
hehe, yup, that was me and Ed... I miss Ed! Dave, go find Ed.; July 12, 2008 4:03 PM
Independent Voter said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 12, 2008 4:11 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL suzi. It does make one wonder what he is being paid for.

p'd ant - hmmmmmm, I'm not quite sure where to find ed. He must have gotten bored with us :(; July 12, 2008 4:12 PM
Independent Voter said...: Well, I'm off for a little while. Guests will be here in about 2 hours and I need to finish making appetizers.; July 12, 2008 4:13 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Open Thread Electoral Vote Contest

The closer the election is the easier to guess the winning number will be.
So we will have a cut off date for number submissions of July 13th 11:59pm Texas time. Duplicate number guesses will be allowed since there are only so many combinations available.
A total of 270 EVs are needed for a clear cut win - 269 would go to the House for a vote.
The list reflects the number of EVs for Obama (vs. McCain).

Submissions so far:
stop0 - < 251
JayW - 269
Beryl - 280
Hippolytus - 289
Dilbuck - 290
softspoken22 - 298
Emma - 300 (1)
Aunt Jean - 300 (2)
SarahLawrenceScott - 303
Richard - 304
jean - 311
Mike in Maryland - 312
tmess2 - 315
RobH - 317 (1)
apissedant - 317 (2)
Oregon Dem - 332
Leah - 345
Woodland Sprite - 360
Emit R Detsaw - 429
Independent voter - 538

Anyone that submits an early guess will be allowed to add (but not change) a second guess October 1st - 3rd. The early guess will be our main contest. The second guess will be considered a separate contest.

Only two more days left to submit a number!; July 12, 2008 4:51 PM
apissedant said...: Another Democrat is caught up in a housing "scandal". Congressman Rangel of Harlem is renting 4 apartments in Harlem, and all 4 are rent controlled. He is getting them at less than half of market value due to rent control. Three of them have been converted into one apartment, his primary residence, and the forth is used as his campaign office. The 4th is illegal under NYC and NY state laws. Law requires that rent controlled property be used for primary residence only, though the odds of him realizing this until the media uproar is low. He has already agreed to vacate this apartment if the review of it does indeed find that he cannot legally rent it, which it most likely will.

There is an uproar about the other two as well, because the law allows landlords to kick out tenants in all but one apartment, in order to make room for other, higher paying tenants. Since the landlord chose against kicking him out, the media is trying to label this as a gift.

There are two stories about it in the New York Times. The "liberal" media's assault on elected Democratic officials who have done nothing wrong continues.; July 12, 2008 5:21 PM
jean said...: Ap,
Like the new picture and sorry you miss ED.

Off Topic,
The Triple Crown of girls softball is on right now.
I have no idea what age, 13,14,15
but I have never seen so many girls so extremely obese.
What are the parents thinking????
It looks like a diabetes marathon.
There are always a few poor kids that have a physical problem but this is extreme.
jean; July 12, 2008 7:25 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: Hello There:

Most of the Company Surveys give a near TIE for BHO and McCain.

Then how in the world BHO can get more than 251 EVs?

Kerry had good name recognition, unlike BHO, and had tons of money and the support of ALL the liberal Democrats! He received nearly 59 million votes but only 251 EVs.

Therefore, BHO has no chance. He will not get anything more than 251 EVs.

None of the Red States he won in the Primary will vote for him. It is a strange state of affairs: The States that he lost to Hillary in the Primary only will vote for BHO in the GE!

BHO = Inexperienced = Risky
BHO = Mother of All Flip-Floppers MOAFF.
BHO = Carter II = Americans Shun.; July 12, 2008 7:35 PM
apissedant said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 12, 2008 7:57 PM
apissedant said...: jean,
Listen, it is a disease and it isn't their fault. Just because there were very few people obese 100 years ago when people ate a healthy and smaller portion, and actually moved every once in awhile, and now people are all obese, don't move, and eat huge portions of McDonald's, doesn't mean it is there fault. I assume by this argument, that it must be some sort of genetic mutation.; July 12, 2008 7:58 PM
jean said...: ap,
Ok, now it is worse.
These girls are 18 so what you see is what you get.
My daughter plays Basketball and plays with huge girls but they are not over weight. They are just big.
I have just never seen such obese people who are supposed to be athletes.
The coach should have conditioning etc to combat this. The girls will hurt themselves.
Oh well, you now know where your insurance premiums are going.
jean; July 12, 2008 8:16 PM
jean said...: Ok,
The question of the day;)
When do you think Bernie Mac will make his next surprise appearance for an Obama fund raiser:0

Gotta go.
Got the call from daughter, split lip and numb front tooth from her last game in tournament.
Let's see, urgent care or dentist?
Oh well.
I have an hour before she get's home from tournament.
Love my kids;)
jean; July 12, 2008 8:52 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: A WOMAN on the ballot running for President!

CNN) -- The liberal environmentalist Green Party nominated former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney as its presidential candidate Saturday.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/12/mckinney.green.party/index.html

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Now all of those women that will only vote for a woman have a candidate!

Obama/Sebelius '08; July 12, 2008 8:56 PM
suzihussein22 said...: leah-Yes, thank goodness there is now a choice for POTUS. McCain is so close to issues that HRC supports though, right?; July 12, 2008 10:49 PM
suzihussein22 said...: cbs vp news-

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/18/politics/main4191907.shtml

It's interesting that it's presented by ExxonMobil. I don't get gas from them anyway. Some people say you lose mpg with ethanol, but I haven't had that problem.; July 12, 2008 11:26 PM
suzihussein22 said...: jean-I know what you mean about kids' weight problems. There was a kid playing against my son in basketball who was really throwing his weight around. He finally got fouled out. I was yelling about his bullying. There's a not so fine line between that and actual competing. I have a hard time finding normal size clothes for my daughter, who's pretty tall for her age, which means I've got to find the slim sizes. It's getting hard enough to have a selection of regular sizes for women too. Good luck on your kid's bum lip.; July 12, 2008 11:34 PM
apissedant said...: suzi,
You'll lose MPG on E85, but not on gasoline with ethanol additive. Ethanol is just taking the place of MTBE, which was found to be toxic and outlawed. 10% actually improves combustion and MPG vs. no additive at all.

It has to do with the amount of energy released, and ethanol releases less when it combusts than gasoline does.; July 12, 2008 11:35 PM
suzihussein22 said...: ap'ant-I haven't gotten more than 10% content. So you like skiing. Have you ever been to Sugar Mtn.?; July 12, 2008 11:55 PM
apissedant said...: Sugar Mountain... is that North Carolina?; July 12, 2008 11:59 PM
apissedant said...: I think you're talking about Sugar Mountain, North Carolina, and that is the first place I ever skied. It was in the rain.; July 13, 2008 12:32 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: suzi said: "leah-Yes, thank goodness there is now a choice for POTUS. McCain is so close to issues that HRC supports though, right?"

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I am assuming you are joking! ;)

I just can't understand why all of those PUMA people aren't looking at how McCain stands on the issues and aren't running away from him as fast as they can!

Is it November yet? :); July 13, 2008 1:09 AM
apissedant said...: leah,
I propose surprise elections. That way the Republicans don't get to pile on the spin with millions of dollars in false advertising campaigns in the two weeks prior to election day. Maybe then we can actually elect a President on their record and the issues instead of fear and hatred.; July 13, 2008 1:14 AM
tmess2 said...: If you want to reduce the influence of spin, take a look at the parliamentary systems. In those countries, you have the leader of the opposition typically in place 12-15 months or more prior to the election. The leader gets to go face-to-face with the head of government every week that Parliament is in session until the election is called.

The result is that both candidates are pretty well known as are the differences between the two parties. The campaign is essentially over before it even begins and very little that the advertisers can do to move folks since are so few undeciceds.; July 13, 2008 2:35 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: All of us have heard the false meme that Senator Obama is a 'secret Muslim'. Certainly a couple of posters here have been trying to beat that dead drum.

A recent Pew poll (http://people-press.org/reports/questionnaires/436.pdf) has found that that meme has not saturated 100% of the populace:

June 2008 Voter Attitudes Survey
Final Topline
conducted June 18-29, 2008

Q.50:
Now, thinking about Barack Obama’s religious beliefs… Do you happen to know what Barack Obama’s
religion is? Is he Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, agnostic, or something else?

Of those answeringL
57% responded Christian;
12% Muslim;
<.5% each for Buddhist, Hindu, atheist or agnostic;
10% Don’t know - Heard different things (Volunteered);
15% Don’t know - Haven’t heard enough (Volunteered); and
3% Refused.

Here's the kicker - 1% think Senator Obama is a JEW!

I guess the O'Lielly's, Lush Rimbaugh's, Faux News, et al, haven't been doing their jobs for the RNC and Mc"need a"Cain campaign if 1% think he's a Jew.

VBG

Mike; July 13, 2008 5:07 AM
Karen Anne said...: Hi, Jean,

So what did you do, urgent care or dentist or both?

When I fell on a sidewalk, my neighbor took me to urgent care for stitching up, then I saw the dentist. It took 2-3 years for all the teeth that turned out to need root canals to wave their little flags saying me next, however.; July 13, 2008 7:46 AM
apissedant said...: A Republican on Meet the Press just said that Obama's week was more damaging than McCain's. They obviously think Americans are stupid. I hope the American people take notice who is really talking down to them.; July 13, 2008 10:07 AM
apissedant said...: ARNOLD JUST SAID SOMETHING SO GREAT! He is kind of getting put over the fire on This Week, but he just said, "Flip flopping is getting a bad wrap." He went on to explain that changing your mind and realizing you were wrong is a great thing.

On the other hand, he did complain about politics and partisanship, and then proceeded to partake in the system. His views were compared between McCain and Obama, and his policies align with Obama much more than McCain, but he still effectively endorsed McCain on every single issue.; July 13, 2008 10:22 AM
apissedant said...: Can the news stop calling Jesse Jackson a surrogate of Barack Obama? He was not there speaking for Barack Obama, he was there for some other group. He is not a member of the Obama campaign, he is just some guy that endorsed Obama. There is nothing more. What is wrong with the talking heads?

Phil Gramm and Jesse Jackson cannot be compared on this level.; July 13, 2008 10:43 AM
suzihussein22 said...: peevishant-Yes, I went there one time. It was 4F before wind chill. I wore 4 layers of clothing.

leah-You assumed correctly. ;) Also, it was almost cool enough after the rain last night to pretend it was November. :)

p.s. ant-It sounds like Ms. Shriver is getting through to Ahnuld. You know what they should say...beside every good man is a great woman...Have you been to Ed's website lately? He's got some awesome photos of a treehouse and squirrels.

Gaffes galore-

Iraqi leaders call for a timetable for U.S. withdrawal, McCain gets caught in a bizarre denial and flip flop. The Iraqis now want us to begin planning our withdrawal -- McCain however wants to stay foooorrreeevvveerrrr. So what does McCain say -- First, he refuses to accept Maliki's statement as being true. Then he concedes that it was an accurate statement, but was probably just a political ploy to curry favor with his own people and WOULD NOT influence his determination to keep US troops in Iraq indefinitely. Yet, McCain in 2004 at the Council on Foreign Relations said that if the Iraqis asked us to leave, we would have to go. No matter what. But that was apparently a younger and less experienced John McCain.

That was words for thought from Max Bergmann of AlterNet.org. There's now a list of, COUNT THEM, 61 flippers. Who's the source of these sandals? McCain, obviously.; July 13, 2008 12:59 PM
suzihussein22 said...: typo-That should have read HuffPost. I read it on AlterNet.org.; July 13, 2008 1:02 PM
jean said...: Good Morning
Karen Anne
The dentist said if something did happen, won't know for a while.
When I saw her lip I was surprised how good it looked.
She was smart and kept icing.
She could possibly need a stitch
or two inside the mouth but she doesn't want to go.
She will live.
She goes back to play today.
If she gets hit again she will definitly know it.
She is not a whiner:)
jean; July 13, 2008 1:18 PM
apissedant said...: soft,
I went there back in like... 2002 I think? I was living in Goose Creek, SC at the time, and a buddy of mine was from Batcave, NC, so we went up to hit the slopes and stayed at his family's house. It was like 8 PM on a Saturday night, and just barely warm enough for it to rain. My buddy's hands turned completely blue and I was complaining 'cause I was finally starting to enjoy myself and he wanted to go home. SISSY!!!

Ahhh... Sugar Mountain. :)
That was better than Killington Vermont though, because they had the snow makers on the whole time, throwing ice in my face while I tried to skied down the slopes, none of which were groomed. East coast skiing sucks. I miss Copper Mountain.; July 13, 2008 2:04 PM
Karen Anne said...: Doonesbury and the GOP? I thought Trudeau was a leftist, it's always seemed like that to me.

Ed's website? squirrels? wheres zat? Thanks.; July 13, 2008 2:08 PM
apissedant said...: Oh, and no I haven't seen Ed's website anytime recently. I lost the address.; July 13, 2008 2:11 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This is great!

http://www.myspace.com/paulhipp

The songs on the right side of the page:

I'm the Decider KooKooKaChoo

and

Dick Cheney's Blues

*** Warning - Adult language; July 13, 2008 3:42 PM
suzihussein22 said...: I forgot where Ed posted his website, so I just googled his name. He's on Facebook.

karen anne-It had been so long since I tried to read it, because I didn't know why it would even be in with the "funnies."; July 13, 2008 6:52 PM
suzihussein22 said...: leah-Yep. I was laughing to myself while my son was in another room. Cheney is an embarrassment to the NRA. :); July 13, 2008 7:38 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Shame on them. Don't they realize they're supposed to be role models to us?-

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/13/entertainment/main4256582.shtml; July 13, 2008 7:42 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Everyone be sure to look at the cover of the New Yorker on

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

and then cancel your New Yorker subscriptions!; July 13, 2008 8:45 PM
suzihussein22 said...: This guy's sure gonna be a winner next to McCain. McCain=Bush that is-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/13/mark-sanford-draws-a-blan_n_112391.html; July 13, 2008 9:32 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Here's some handy into to copy and save in a file...

MSNBC (212-664-4444)

CNN (404-827-1500 ext 2) and leave messages

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Randi Rhodes
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ftn@cbsnews.com,

Phone: (202) 457-4481
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Phone: (212) 556-1234
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eugenerobinson@washpost.com,

comments@jonmeacham.com,

Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting
fair@fair.org; July 13, 2008 9:37 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: If you have seen the upcoming cover and want to protest - please look below:

Contact for the New Yorker advertising directors:

Terese Cunningham
Advertising Director
Telephone: 212-286-2105
E-mail: terese_cunningham@newyorker.co m

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Advertising Director
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Email: themail@newyorker.com; July 13, 2008 9:43 PM
suzihussein22 said...: There's one thing I'll have to say when seeing how "close" some polls seem to be right now, that's when people really seem to get motivated to go to the polls. So isn't it a good thing if msm makes it seem so close? Not that I'm not sending in a few emails anyway, starting with Alexander(R)-TN.; July 13, 2008 9:46 PM
apissedant said...: I Hate Republicans

"Not a drop of oil was spilled during the 2005 hurricanes."

In fact, over 15,000 barrels were spilled during the 2005 hurricanes.

They also say that it isn't their fault that the resources already leased to them by the federal government, accounting to an area greater than all of the northeast, is because they don't have enough equipment to tap all of these resources. Despite this, they still say we need to give them more oil contracts so they can increase production. They can't keep up with their current deals, yet they're blaming us for not giving them more deals.

IF the guesses on the amount of oil are correct, it MIGHT give us 10-20 years of extra oil, BUT not until 2030, and it MIGHT have a small impact on oil prices, and PROBABLY will have minimal affect on the environment.

Wow, I'm sold. IF MIGHT BUT MIGHT SMALL PROBABLY. Sounds like a closed case to me.; July 13, 2008 11:14 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: AP,

That same article has this:
Many oil companies and Bush administration officials say that it is hypocritical to pressure other countries to open new exploration areas, especially offshore

And just who is pressuring "other countries to open new exploration areas, especially offshore"? The oil companies and the Bush administration. So who are the hypocrites?

Mike; July 14, 2008 12:14 AM
suzihussein22 said...: They are jumping too quickly onto a broken bandwagon, aren't they?

Has anybody heard about this? The BS Talk Express is dozing over Gramm-

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-talk/

Now he's not a surrogate. It's a good thing he won't whine about it. He's not mentally recessed. He's definitely not fiscally recessed.; July 14, 2008 12:17 AM
apissedant said...: The truth hurts. Let's take from this lesson a better understanding of the "free market," and how to proceed and protect ourselves in the future.; July 14, 2008 12:29 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: 30 more minutes left to submit a guess for the Electoral Vote contest...; July 14, 2008 12:35 AM
apissedant said...: Mike, I love it, very good point. I, and most democrats, have continually cautioned people that we can't drill our way out of this miss, not here, nor abroad. There's a recent plan to switch more power generation to windmills and start switching cars to natural gas in the short term. Europe already has propane powered vehicles and most gas stations have a propane nozzle. The use gas until the car heats up, and then switch over to propane automatically. It isn't ideal, but for the short term it may help.

Not exactly an unbiased source, but here is what FPL Energy states:
How long does the entire development process take, i.e., from submitting permits to producing electricity?

The length of time will vary from project to project, but wind farms can be brought on-stream faster than most other types of power-generating facilities - for example, natural gas power plants, which can take two to three years or more to develop. The permitting process for wind is less complex because wind energy does not have the same environmental impact as fossil-fueled power generators. Wind energy produces no emissions and no solid waste by-products. The length of construction will depend primarily upon the number of turbines to be erected, the terrain and prevailing weather conditions. In some cases, this can all be accomplished within nine to 18 months.

Let's say five years to get a seriously large number of turbines up and running... that is a lot sooner than 2030, which is when oil companies and the Energy Department believe new oil fields would start paying off.; July 14, 2008 12:36 AM
apissedant said...: soft,
So how exactly is Obama supposed to get rid of his "surrogate" Jackson? Since he never hired him, he can't fire him. McCain gets to dump his guy, because he was dumb enough to hire him in the first place. Obama is stuck because he was smart enough not to hire such a divisive person that would pollute his message. Doesn't seem fair, does it?; July 14, 2008 12:39 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Here's our final list.
stop0 - < 251 (McCain 350+)
JayW - 269
Beryl - 280
Hippolytus - 289
Dilbuck - 290
softspoken22 - 298
Emma - 300 (1)
Aunt Jean - 300 (2)
SarahLawrenceScott - 303
Richard - 304
jean - 311
Mike in Maryland - 312
tmess2 - 315
RobH - 317 (1)
apissedant - 317 (2)
Oregon Dem - 332
Leah - 345
Woodland Sprite - 360
Emit R Detsaw - 429
Independent voter - 538

Someone should probably make a copy of it just in case I'm not around in November ;); July 14, 2008 1:06 AM
apissedant said...: Leah,
A) YOU BETTER BE!
B) It'll still be here, won't it?; July 14, 2008 1:11 AM
Yamaka said...: Hi Democrats:

What's burning your midnight's oil these days?

Most observers believe that Barack is moving towards the Center.

Good for him.

I want him to shed the old image of a "Tax and Spend Bleeding Liberal". The new image of a "Pragmatist who will govern from the Center" is a winning name. However, many of the ultra Left will not be kind to him. My suggestion is he MUST sacrifice the Jesse Jacksons of the world to convince the Center that he is a serious Leader. He is NOT a man of racial issues: He is truly post- race and post-class warfare candidate.

I also want him to take one or two major issues to tackle from a bag of extremely difficult issues:

1. Universal Health Care for ALL: How to contain the costs of Medicare and Medicaid and provide health insurance for ALL for an affordable price (7% of GDP)?

2. Economic Competitiveness of America by overhauling the tax code: How to create 3 million plus jobs in America?

3. Energy Security of America. How to stop sending $700 billion a year away from our Economy to the troubled lands of Middle East for oil imports?

This GE could very well be a true referendum on major intractable issues. Let the voters choose who can deliver a convincing answer to these painful questions.

I am truly surprised that McCain and Obama both are tied at 46% as per Rasmussen Report, as of today. I expect that the Candidates will breakout when

1. They announce their VP choice.

2. After Obama's visit from Middle East.

3. After their Convention and of course

4. After the debates.

If, at the end of the day, Barack comes across as a strong Pragmatic Centrist with Fiscal Discipline, he will win the Presidency with a clear mandate similar to Bill Clinton of 1992/1996.

On the other hand, if he remains the Far Left Liberal of Carter/Jesse/Mondale, then the GE will be the same as of 1980, 1988, 2000 and 2004.

Awaiting the Debates to start.

Cheers.

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StopO:

I am reading your posts with interests, as always.

Keep writing. I see you are also very busy these days with your work/life.

You are one guy who gives a clear alternate view to this Forum. Most others are just Choir Boys and Girls!! They lack independent analysis of events and views. They just parrot what the liberal MSMs feed them!lol.

Please change your moniker/pen name, for you ARE driving the resident Obamaphiles nuts!!

:-); July 14, 2008 1:13 AM
apissedant said...: Yam,
Nice to see you. I still disagree with most of what you say, but you post it in an intelligent and respectful manner. I personally invite you to continue posting.; July 14, 2008 1:21 AM
apissedant said...: I would like to point out, that the last time McCain held a lead in any poll was on 5/3, and it was by 1 point. A single poll showing a tie is not very troubling, when all other polls show a lead. The polls that showed 15% leads for Obama were obviously outliers, and I would assume that one showing a tie is as well.

It is not the President's job to create jobs. As a moderate, you should agree with this statement. It IS the President's job to create an environment that invites the creation of jobs. This has been devised by making America competitive. This can be done by shutting down or restricting trade agreements with nations that refuse to use fair trade, and opening trade agreements or reducing trade restrictions for countries who do practice fair trade.

I still propose ending NAFTA and CAFTA, and opening free trade with Canada, the European Union, and the United Kingdom. I am not against free trade, I am for fair trade. There is a marked difference.

As to energy independence, this is talked about by the expansion of renewable energies, and not those grown in the ground, but those using water, wind, or the sun, items that can be harnessed without destruction of other important items. It has also been proposed that we increase conservation, which will cause a substantial decrease in foreign reliance. I wish he would loosen up on the nuclear rhetoric, but that is hard as a democrat in the current climate.

Is proposed healthcare plan is not universal, which makes the costs substantially less burdensome. The main goal is universal healthcare for children, which is an entirely different beast in itself. Universal healthcare will hopefully come at some later date, but not most likely not in the immediate future. Many reports have found that government healthcare essentially pays for itself in the long run. It reduces time off work, increasing American productivity, and decreases major healthcare costs in the future, by properly providing preventative care, which even most insured Americans are not using due to copays.

In the end, the healthcare portion is not so much about the cost of doing it, but the long term costs of not doing it. It seems a little pain now could save us much more pain in the future.

Read the link I have posted above from the New York Times. It talks about deregulation, the free market, and the fact that the free market is now begging for government handouts, because it can no longer support itself. We tried a virtually unregulated and free market again, and it failed again. Again, the same people that begged for the free market are begging for the government to step in. They want the government to allow them to make obscene profits when things go well, and prevent them from taking losses when things go poorly. You cannot have it both ways, either the government regulates the market, or the market is allowed to rise and fall on its own.; July 14, 2008 1:35 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: apissedant-

After another 3+ months this page on the website will be buried under 100s of other pages and we'll never find it again! LOL ;)

I have the list saved on my computer - but considering my computer has been acting up I thought it would be a good idea for others to save the list too just in case ;); July 14, 2008 1:40 AM
apissedant said...: Leah,
Well now there is a backup saved. ;); July 14, 2008 1:49 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: We all know the bane of email is SPAM. Usually I can spot SPAM from the Subject line, and sometimes from the combination of Subject line and Sender. Once spotted, I flush it without even opening it.

Starting this weekend, though, I had to stop on one piece of email I received. The Subject was "Barak Obama graft trial begins". I HAD to open it to see what the Reich-wing b****rds were sending now.

Turns out it is just plain old SPAM for a medication to 'enlarge a certain part of the male anatomy', along with a URL.

This REALLY frosts me, though, as most people will quickly recognize it as SPAM, but the subliminal message they will remember is "Barak Obama graft trial begins", and the memory will be as hard to disprove as the stupid meme that Senator Obama is a Muslim.

G** D*** B****RDS who send SPAM!!!

Mike; July 14, 2008 2:45 AM
apissedant said...: Is Jim Cramer Ever Right?

In this article from 2004, he speaks about how big and powerful Fannie Mae is, and he suggests buying it. Glad I didn't take that advice. He again asserted to buy Fannie Mae in November of 2006, when it was trading for 62 dollars a share. Not until August of 2007 did he finally stop rating it a buy. He did not, however, rate it a sell, while it was trading at 67.5. Not until November 16th, 2007 did he finally say to sell Fannie Mae stocks. It was trading at 40.69 at the time. On May 15, 2008, he again rated Fannie Mae a buy. The stock was trading at 29.56 a share, and is now at 10.25.; July 14, 2008 4:13 AM
Independent Voter said...: Just got home from the bar, and decided that I should check and see what you guys were saying. Well the comments are at 2998, so I decided to say screw it and make sure that stop or yam doesn't hog the 3001 spot. so I'm going to post another one just to have the Obama chant on top!; July 14, 2008 4:41 AM
Independent Voter said...: Here we go, last one before the Obama chant.; July 14, 2008 4:41 AM
Independent Voter said...: OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA '08; July 14, 2008 4:42 AM
Independent Voter said...: Ok, goodnight all!; July 14, 2008 4:42 AM
apissedant said...: Dave! Just posting and running! How rude!; July 14, 2008 4:42 AM
Independent Voter said...: Sorry p'd ant, but ya. I figured I would at the very least get the chant in before going to bed. I do NOT look forward to the hangover in the morning.

I do promise you that I will be a little more active tomorrow. :)

Until then...well...I need to wake the husband...he's not going to be too happy, well ok he will be a in a little bit ;); July 14, 2008 4:53 AM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant is that a picture of you? If so which one are you? The one in the front or the one in the back?; July 14, 2008 4:55 AM
apissedant said...: Dave,
LOL,
Yeah, the picture is of me and my old lab partner. I am the one in front.; July 14, 2008 5:55 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: that sure looks like the plug flow reactor from my old college chem E lab, p'ant.; July 14, 2008 10:37 AM
jean said...: The cover of the New Yorker is the most offensive piece of crap I have ever seen.
It is on Political Ticker on CNN.
What were these people thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We just went back to the dark ages.
jean; July 14, 2008 11:28 AM
jean said...: Ap,
I think this is what the next few months are going to be about.
TRASH!

Indy,
How do you feel this morning;)
jean; July 14, 2008 11:36 AM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - cool. And again sorry about the post and run. LOL

jean, not too terribly bad, but still a slight hangover. Thanks. I've got a lot to do. I need to go to the school to get my pride tickets. The LGBT student union is selling tickets and receive $4 per ticket ($15 - 1 day pass or $25 - 2 day pass) toward creating an LGBT resource center on campus.; July 14, 2008 12:45 PM
jean said...: Indy,
Did you check out the New Yorker?
jean; July 14, 2008 12:59 PM
Independent Voter said...: jean, yes I saw that and although it is extremely tacky and disgusting of them to put that on the cover.

With that said, I do understand what they were "trying" to do. Their readers are mostly liberal and well-educated, I think they were actually using that to mock the Republican smears and their straw-man arguments about Obama being a Muslim, unpatriotic, flag-burning liberal.

Like I said, I do not agree with their choice of placing that on the cover, but understand the point they were trying to convey. I look forward to the "fairness doctrine" when they finally decide they put Mc"Needs A"Cain and Bush in Nazi uniforms with Iraq as a backdrop.

Sometimes "free speech" has its consequences. Hopefully the New Yorker feels the pain, of those consequences for their bad judgment, in their pocketbook. This could be the beginning of the end for the New Yorker.; July 14, 2008 1:48 PM
Independent Voter said...: Oh my, TONS of grammatical errors in that last post. I don't feel like reposting it. That hangover is not going away very easily - and yes, I feel worse now than when I originally woke up.; July 14, 2008 1:49 PM
Independent Voter said...: Rut Row - Anheuser-Busch agreed to a $52 Billion buyout by InBev. What will Cindy do with her time? I hope she doesn't count on spending much time in Whitehouse because I don't think she's even going make it to the footsteps. Hopefully the Obama's don't invite them over.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080714/ap_on_bi_ge/anheuser_busch_inbev; July 14, 2008 1:56 PM
Oregon Dem said...: One of the things about the DCW President Forecast chart that I have always found somewhat frustrating is that it is organized by the number of electoral votes for each state and it is therefore difficult (for me anyway) to track where changes are happening.

So what I did was come up with an "Obama Number" for each of the 50 states plus DC. The number is a compilation of all 9 sources used in the DCW chart. Each O = +3 pts, OL = 1, T=0, ML = -1 and M = -3. I then sort based on the Obama Number and can track changes in states over time.

So, for example, right now Wisconsin is at 19. A month ago it was at 5. That shows to me that Obama has seen positive movement in his chances there. Montana went from -13 a month ago to -3 today. Thus a month ago I would not have considered Montana in play but now it obviously is. (I consider anything in the range of +9 to -9 as really close.)

Using my Obama number what are some of the major movements in the last month? NJ, NH and Wisc have moved from really close to Obama more than likely (+10 to +19 range). Montana and Indiana moved from McCain more than likely (-10 to -19 range) to the real close category. Obama also made inroads in the McCain hold on Texas and Mississippi (+8 movement) by taking those states from my Solid McCain (-20 to -27 range) and moving them into the more than McCain likely category. McCain tighten his grip on LA was the only really positive note for McCain.

Not a bad month for Obama.

For some reason I could not post this comment in that thread....; July 14, 2008 3:56 PM
Independent Voter said...: OMG! You guys are going to love this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDXTgfDJP3I; July 14, 2008 4:08 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 14, 2008 4:33 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Independent Voter - Congrats on the Obama chant!

I LOVE that video - it is hilarious!

---

Oregon Dem -
You had a better idea than I did. I made a chart that lists the states and I put O, OL, M, ML, T for each state (DCW consensus)on the 1st and 15th of each month. It is a good way to eyeball the ups and downs of the consensus of the nine DCW sources - but your idea is pretty clever :)
On the other comment areas on DCW that have the 'new commenting format' they have a limit to the length of the comments, so that might be why your comment wouldn't post.; July 14, 2008 4:51 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Some new state polls that look pretty nice...

Colorado Obama +4
Michigan Obama +8
Minnesota Obama + 17
Iowa Obama +10; July 14, 2008 6:06 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Dave,

In my earlier days when I went out drinking, I found that one way to ease or prevent the morning-after hangover was to take a couple of ibuprofen or aspirin when I got home, and drink at least 8 ounces of water, then hit the sack. It definitely helped make me feel better the next morning (although you might have to get up during the night for a 'potty break' - VBG). Whenever I forgot to take the ibuprofen and water, I definitely had a worse hangover than when I took them.

Mike; July 14, 2008 6:18 PM
Independent Voter said...: Hey Mike, thanks for the advice. That is something I normally do, I just forgot to do so last night. UGH! But I am definitely doing better now. I took my morning shower, got something to eat and am feeling much much better.; July 14, 2008 7:02 PM
Independent Voter said...: OH MY! It looks like Cindy McCain will more than likely be making a bundle off the sale of Anheuser-Busch.

It appears as though they could cash out in the neighborhood of $17 Million. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/14/how-much-could-the-mccain_n_112698.html

Not that it is a bad thing, but for McCain to paint Obama as an elitist, I think he needs to look at he and his wife in the mirror.; July 14, 2008 7:08 PM
Independent Voter said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 14, 2008 7:10 PM
Independent Voter said...: Also according to Cindy McCain, the only way to get around Arizona is by a private plane.....hmmmmmm, try telling that to all those poor, low-life schmucks who can't afford to put fuel in their cars. (Please realize I'm using SARCASM in the last line)

Watch the video HERE; July 14, 2008 7:12 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: Hello There:

On The New Yorker Satire:

A full 60% of AOL Subscribers (n =142k) think that the Satire will NOT have a lasting impact on the Campaign.

I don't know why the Obamaphiles are over reacting to the pure and simple Satire?

The fact of the matter is nearly 44% of Americans don't know that BHO IS a Christian. To many of them, he IS a foreigner, an African, not an American, period.

What does this tell you? The Democratic Party and their Campaign have done a very poor job of introducing the Candidate to America:

As to who he WAS and who he IS, Is he a Bleeding Liberal or What?

There ARE many lingering doubts about Barack Hussein Obama Jr in the heartland of America. Most of his supporters CAN'T say his full legal name w/o feeling an inner demon of "something odd and unnecessary"!! A pathetic feeling inside their aching belly!

For some weird reason, the Democratic Party has taken a very huge RISK in nominating the least vetted, least experienced and vastly unknown Candidate of very ambiguous Biography for the POTUS.

What The New Yorker is doing is a serious service to the Democrats. Believe me. At least we have this discussion in mid July, not in late October, 2008.

Obamaphiles, talk openly and frankly about Who Obama IS now, instead of hiding behind the curtain of collective confusion and demagogy.

What is BHO's real relationship between the Civil Right Wing of the Black America? Is Jesse a true friend or what?

BHO is talking about his White Grandfather in KS, and talking about Wright and TUCC of Chicago in MS. This creates a vast sense of some unseemly conspiracy to dupe the Electorate, who are truly very smart people, IMO.

Common Obamaphiles, get started in openly defining who Obama is!

Stay tuned.; July 14, 2008 7:29 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Dave,

Will Mc"needs a"Cain throw Cindy under the bus for that comment about travel in Arizona? Or deny knowing her, as that comment is not his opinion about the matter?

Texas is more than twice the land area of Arizona (268,820 vs. 113,889 sq. mi). I don't hear a lot of Texans stating that the only way to get around Texas is by airplane. Even California is larger than Arizona (163,696 sq mi). As far as I know, Ahhh-nold doesn't own a private plane to go around the state.

Who is the elitist candidate? Looks like Mc"needs a"Cain to me.

Mike; July 14, 2008 7:37 PM
Independent Voter said...: Mike, I do believe that Arnold does have a private plane, but he doesn't charge the state for its use, nor does he claim that it is the only way to get around in CA; July 14, 2008 8:00 PM
suzihussein22 said...: dave-The important thing is if you remembered how much fun you had last night! Not to rub it in, but I've never had a hangover. I've only had one time I took some tylenol and a glass of water just in case.

To all us bloggers, poll number crunchers, and the press, McCain is calling us 'cable monsters'. That would be mean except I think we're past the cable generation. At least that puts him in the 20th century. I'm only posting about this from the Political Ticker because I'm pretty p***** off about Bush lifting the ban on offshore drilling and the cover of NYloser. How can it be satire if it's not obviously overstated to the mainstream population that don't actually read the articles?; July 14, 2008 8:11 PM
jean said...: Indy,
You are so thoughtful and kind to worry about Cindy.
Since the bid was raised $5 a share she will now not starve and be able to keep that cute little plane going.
I can't wait till McCain says that she does not have his views just like everyone else that works for him on the campaign.
Heh,Heh.
jean; July 14, 2008 8:18 PM
Independent Voter said...: Suzi, definitely had a blast last night. Not doing that again, well not until Saturday :) But I will definitely remember to take the ibuprofen.

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LOL Jean! Perhaps they will remember to pay the property taxes on all those tiny little condos they own throughout the globe. Naaaaa, I didn't think so either. In memory of Leona Helms, only poor people pay taxes.; July 14, 2008 8:27 PM
apissedant said...: Dave!!!!
Rich people can't pay taxes, it is bad for the economy! They need their millions and billions of dollars in order to be able to afford to hire us to do their laundry, nails, cook for them, build them stuff, and all of that other stuff. If they didn't have it all, who would pay our salaries!

Now this is not to say the government doesn't need money, which means the government does have to tax someone. They can't tax imports, because that is unfair trade. They can't tax corporations for the same reason they can't tax rich people. They can't tax churches because God would create wildfires, hurricanes, floods, tornadoes, and bring other devastation to the U.S. That only leaves the poor and middle class people. Considering they're constantly begging the government to educate their children, pay the fire department, and pay their welfare checks. Since they are constantly leaning on the government, they should have to pay for it! It isn't like the government gives big corporations or wealthy people huge payouts, pork projects, and bailouts in times of need.; July 14, 2008 9:29 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - don't forget they have to have be able to leave billions to their pets.; July 14, 2008 10:06 PM
Independent Voter said...: UGH! Please forgive me for my grammatical errors tonight!; July 14, 2008 10:06 PM
jean said...: Indy,
Don't worry.
You don't have to have to have to do anything;)
Come on, we have the NEW YORKER and don't forget the OREO.
It is a special day and noone is obviously exempt.
jean; July 14, 2008 10:12 PM
jean said...: Ap,
If you can afford a lawyer you will be rich, that is the republican way.
Defend your corp, hire a lobbyist,
and you are now a republican.
jean; July 14, 2008 10:18 PM
suzihussein22 said...: It's not like I have to have to help my kids get an education. I didn't have to have to help take care of my grandparents so they wouldn't be in a nursing home for long. I want to want to work my butt off so richer, more deserving people can have Vera Bradley handbags and such...I can just imagine what kind of typos I've made when I'm sober. ;); July 14, 2008 10:21 PM
Independent Voter said...: ROFL you two! A couple of smart arses aren't ya!; July 14, 2008 10:25 PM
jean said...: suzi,
LOL.
You are killing heh heh.
I just got the emergency phone call from the husband.
He has no Bubble Gum and the Basketball game is about to start.
If he doesn't keep his mouth shut the daughter will surely be kicked off varsity.
Gotta go.
jean; July 14, 2008 10:28 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Off topic, but humorous:

Preface - the following happened in Texass, so when you read that the wife called the husband, let him arrive home, then let him call the police, I presume it's just a Texass thing.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/custom/offbeat/sns-ap-odd-chatty-suspect,0,3185311.story

VBG

Mike; July 14, 2008 10:42 PM
suzihussein22 said...: m in md-Yep, humorous. :) It's okay to be nice to someone who robbed you, especially since they know you. They can find things quicker that way, ya reckon?

Good grief, not only does my cat share his kills with us on our steps, now our puppy brings us the backbone of something! It must be a middle TN thang! Now I'll have to remember to watch for it bright and early in the morning. :/; July 14, 2008 10:55 PM

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