Democratic Convention Watch: Open Thread

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

Open Thread

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What is McCain's latest "senior moment", what does Obama need to do to win in November or whatever else is on your mind.

And please be excellent to one another. We do not accept name calling or any attacks on our commenters. Any objectionable comments will be deleted. Try to be civil.

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Independent Voter said...: Apparently Karl Rove is against Palin!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNu1uRcs87I&feature=related; August 30, 2008 8:38 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Even that most Republican of Republicans, Charlie Black, has acknowledged that Palin is SERIOUSLY lacking in foreign policy and national security experience:

“She’s going to learn national security at the foot of the master for the next four years, and most doctors think that he’ll be around at least that long,” said Charlie Black, one of Mr. McCain’s top advisers, making light of concerns about Mr. McCain’s health, which Mr. McCain’s doctors reported as excellent in May.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/30/us/politics/30veep.html?em

Although that 'at the foot of the master' comment about McCain's national security experience almost made me crack up with laughter. Is Charlie Black comparing McLame(brain) to some of the greatest teachers and thinkers of history? Or is 'the master' is a reference to a deity? Doesn't that take wind out of the Repigs attempted memes that Obama supporters think of their candidate as 'The Messiah'? Kind of funny when you think of it that way.

Mike; August 30, 2008 8:54 PM
Independent Voter said...: MinM, actually I thought of it more of a "master and slave" scenario. Beings how misogynistic McCain is.

To the other Mike who has hi-jacked everyone else's name. I didn't ASK you! I shared my opinion about HATING THAT woman's voice. So what. SUE me! There are many MALE voices I can't stand either! For example, when McDouchebag speaks in front of a teleprompter, he sounds like he is talking to a group of 1st graders. My friends this, My friends that. BULLSHIT, YOU ain't no friend of mine John McShrub!; August 30, 2008 9:01 PM
Independent Voter said...: WOW! Good job guys. That was fast. Thank you!; August 30, 2008 9:06 PM
Matt said...: IV - Whatever would you be talking about?

And while I'm here, let me remind certain people that censorship is something done by governments. As publishers of this blog, we will continue to have sole determination of what appears in this blog. It's something called "editorial discretion", and we will continue to use it as we see fit.

Enjoy your Labor Day weekend, everybody.; August 30, 2008 10:19 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Ciao everyone...

I just wanted to pop in and remind everyone that I have not been here posting for the past SEVERAL hours because MIKE hijacked my name, profile comments, and photo - here on this thread.

I hope everyone has a great Labor Day weekend! It hot has heck here in Houston!!! I'm ready for the cool weather of November to get here and for November 4th to get here so that we can VOTE!

O and Joe '08

Now I am leaving this thread again until tomorrow!

Buona notte :); August 30, 2008 11:15 PM
Joshua said...: I am getting confused. Who was the poster who butted in when a certain poster complained about someone else posting with his moniker and a certain poster advised a new moniker, then complained about some else using her moniker? Perhaps you now understand why it is offensive to the person who has first established that moniker, and how it is irresponsible for a web administrator to permit such chaos.; August 30, 2008 11:28 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike-

The name MIKE is a common name, and chances are that anyone could show up here with that name or John, Jim, Ann, etc.

I was trying to be helpful to you earlier today ... but you instead have took my name, photo, and profile comments and made it almost impossible for me to post here. I didn't see anyone on this thread do that to you! If they did I missed it.; August 30, 2008 11:42 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I've been here a long time. I have almost 300 profile views (number shown on my profile)

The fake Leah/Mike has under 120 profile views.

That number can't be faked.

That is how ya'll can tell us apart.; August 30, 2008 11:52 PM
Richard said...: I have to say, I will never understand the psychology of Internet trolls. Can it really feel good to stir such controversy? I just can't understand it.; August 30, 2008 11:59 PM
Joshua said...: Actually, the way to tell us apart is the Grammar. I would never say as you did: “but you instead have took my name.”; August 31, 2008 12:41 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Here's a link to TONS of photos from the Obama/Biden rally today:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/2267/37408/966/580760; August 31, 2008 12:48 AM
Bob in Vancouver said...: GOP Desperation (Hail Mary Pass).

From a distant observer, it has been obvious to me that the McCain campaing has been in deep trouble.

They have realized this for some time now, and that is why they started to go negative failry early. The negative advertising has improved McCains numbers slightly, but hasn't had the effect they were hoping for. Hence; Sarah Palin.

To Karen Anne on this blog:

Here is what I mean (let me explain). Take a careful look at the second graph or Electoral College Graph at http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/ec_graph-2008.html

This graph measures the EVs for only those states that are polling 5% or more for either candidate. Notice that Obama has been steadily consolidating his hold and locking up all of the Kerry states (blue states). At the moment he has a very strong hold on about 250 to 260 EV. He is only 15 to 20 EVs short of the presidency, and there are about 100 EV's up for grabs in battleground states.

At the same time, notice that the solid EVs for McCain has been either holding steady or declining slightly. His hold on historically red states is significantly weaker than for Obama. At the present time he has only 175 solid EVs. And this is why the Republicans are now in a panic.

They have just a little over two more months to find 100 EVs.

This brings me to Sarah Palin.

I can clearly see that Sarah Palin, our cheer leader, pretty face and all, has been brought in to salvage John McCain's campaign. The Republicans are grasping at straws. They see her as being able to energize the fundamental Christian base, which has been lethargic at best, and being able to garner enough female votes out there to make a difference. noe of the other choices on McCains short list fit this bill.

Watch John McCain step back slightly and let her take the lead. Her stecato voice and gung-ho attitude is what John McCain lacks. And it is obvious she is one hard faced barracuda (acid mouth).

Don't worry about the EVs when leaners and ties are included. And don't worry about the national polls. This is 50 separate elections all running simultaneously. The polls will be almost dead even (49.5/50.5) by election night, unless something major happens along the way.

Keren Anne, you are too close to the action. From my distant view, Obama will have this wrapped up about one month from now, barring any unforseen circumstances.; August 31, 2008 12:49 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Shame on McCain!

Sunday, August 31, 2008
This is wrong

McCain was scheduled to deliver his acceptance speech Thursday but now may do so from the devastation zone if the storm hits the U.S. coast with the ferocity feared by forecasters. - Politico

.; August 31, 2008 12:51 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I am worried that with all the stuff coming out about Palin and the new polling of her that came out today... that at the GOP convention they might vote for a different VP and then the game would be changed again!

Polls: Voters Doubt Palin’s Qualifications While Obama Expands Lead

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/30/polls-voters-doubt-palins-qualifications-while-obama-expands-lead/

In the poll taken Friday, 39 percent said she is ready to serve as president if needed, 33 percent said she isn’t and 29 percent have no opinion.

That’s the lowest rating any running mate has had since then-Indiana Sen. Dan Quayle was selected in 1988 to join George H.W. Bush’s team.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-08-30-palin-poll_N.htm

.; August 31, 2008 12:57 AM
Bob in Vancouver said...: Did anyone else noticed how sour the Republicans surrogates were on CNN Larry King Live following Obama's acceptance speech. They had no come back, after Obama ripped a strio off McCain. It is clear they were all blown away. The Republicans can sure hand out the trash talk but sure can't take it.; August 31, 2008 1:04 AM
Mug said...: Well, Palin is a joke. By choosing her, McCain has slapped feminism in the face and made himself out to be a liar. Feminism has always been about post-gender meritism; recognizing the qualifications of women. McCain's choice is pure tokenism. Instead of choosing a woman because she is qualified, he's chosen an unqualified person because she's a woman.

Secondly, McCain's only seemingly legitimate argument against Obama for month's now has been that Obama is not ready to lead the country because of he lacks sufficient experience in politics and especially foreign policy. By choosing Palin, he has made the statement that she is qualified to replace him if he should be unable to fulfill the duties of his office. So, everything he has said about Obama not having enough experience is a lie.; August 31, 2008 1:12 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Pat Buchanan was great Thursday night. He actually seemed to love Obama's speech and even liked Obama... then the next day he went back to his old self!

O and Joe '08; August 31, 2008 1:14 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Love this comment from over at CNN...

"Oh fine Now! Will the VP be breastfeeding in the oval office if she becomes president in the near future? His choice in women really trips me out. His mrs is a recovering addict. The VP, either the baby will be neglected or the job will. She just had a baby.
Not saying she can’t be president because she has a baby. Just saying we don’t need to turn the white house into romper room and a convalescent home at the same time."; August 31, 2008 1:18 AM
Joshua said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 31, 2008 1:49 AM
Joshua said...: Obama is a cut above the rest. If you want to know how to talk about John McCain’s VP choice, take a cue from Obama. Here is how he talked about her. Play the clip:; August 31, 2008 1:54 AM
Independent Voter said...: I'm not quite sure who "ShameonMcCain" is, however I would like to ask the question, How is he going to get his bus "Straight Talk Derailed" or shall I say "Straight Talk Disaster" onto one of those tiny oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico?; August 31, 2008 2:01 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Come on Mike. Don't you think that's enough of playing the silly name game. You've been doing it all day and it is getting old!; August 31, 2008 2:09 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Indy - that was my name up above at one time. I think it will be disastrous for McCain if he does go down to the coast after the hurricane hits and there is OIL rig damage and there is oil everywhere! That is going to knock him off of his DRILL HERE DRILL NOW B.S.

Leah :); August 31, 2008 2:12 AM
Independent Voter said...: Leah, I hear ya! I thought it might have been you, but I wasn't sure.

I agree with you about the oil rigs. Not that I would like to see a huge oil spill, but you are totally right, it would definitely derail his campaign even more.

But I'd still like to know how he's going to give his speech from the "Straight Talk Disaster" on an oil rig in the gulf. ;); August 31, 2008 2:26 AM
Joshua said...: I’d like an apology from you. And admit that you were wrong when you began the day by giving me a lecture about how to allow someone else to use my moniker.; August 31, 2008 3:02 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike-

You if took my words as a lecture then I apologize - I in no way meant them to be so.

Now I am off to bed.

Goodnight everyone.; August 31, 2008 3:07 AM
tmess2 said...: getting a visual from the Charles Black comments -- McCain as Yoda in the Return of the Jedi and Sarah Palin in the Luke role -- not enough time, she just isn't ready to take on Putin.; August 31, 2008 3:16 AM
Joshua said...: That is a Clintonian statement and is inadequate. Apologies contain no qualifier. I am surprised at you. I thought that you were a bigger person than that. Only little people are so insecure they are unable to admit an error, even after I pointed it out to you. Don’t tell me “if you…”

You mean that you apologize that I was dumb enough to misunderstand your well intentioned help.; August 31, 2008 3:34 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Seems the Army is so desperate for enlistees that it has opened a prep school so that high school dropouts can get a GED and then fill the ranks.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-te.prepschool31aug31,0,1639791.story

Something I found interesting:
The Army's own studies show that only three in 10 people ages 17 to 24 are eligible to enlist, with the remainder barred by health or legal issues, or the failure to earn a high school diploma or equivalent.

A study issued by the National Priorities Project released in January found that while the Army has a goal that 90 percent of recruits be high school graduates, it hadn't met that percentage since 2004.

In the 2007 budget year, the project found that only 71 percent of soldiers entering the service had graduated.

The article states nothing about the cost of this prep school, but it has to be fairly expensive.

Maybe McLame(brain) was thinking about this situation when he agreed with the woman in Nevada that the draft will soon be needed?

Mike; August 31, 2008 4:17 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Maybe when McLame(brain) saw this pic, he decided to choose Palin?

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x214/faelanae/palin.jpg

Mike; August 31, 2008 5:31 AM
Aunt Jean said...: mike in maryland

about that link very presidental if you're looking for a hooker.That's exactly why McLame picked her the dirty old man.

AJ; August 31, 2008 7:03 AM
Karen Anne said...: My favorite comic strip nails it - Gidget goes to Washington -

http://members.cox.net/katkolling/gidgetgoestowashington.gif; August 31, 2008 7:58 AM
apissedant said...: Damn Mike,
Talk about family values. Her 40 year old ass has got to be hanging out the backside. I'm sure her kids are proud!; August 31, 2008 11:59 AM
apissedant said...: If they can do all of this for Gustav, why not Katrina? What is different?

Why can't every hurricane come in an election year?; August 31, 2008 12:42 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: So Palins daughter was out of school for five months? Sarah Palin really flew back to Alaska from Texas 'after' her water broke? Who's baby is it anyway?

http://news.spreadit.org/bristol-palin-pregnantsarah-palin-daughter-baby/

I want to see the media investigate this!; August 31, 2008 1:53 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Also Sarah Palin was back at work three days after the baby was born.

Something is really fishy here!; August 31, 2008 1:55 PM
Bob in Vancouver said...: mike in maryland

You have to send that link to the news media. The stileto shoes, leather mini skirt; - That's the election right there. How you find this stuff amazes me.; August 31, 2008 1:56 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Group-photo of Governor Palin's Alaska cabinet?:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/08/the_best_sarah_palin_picture_y.html

.; August 31, 2008 2:00 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Graham: McCain Picked Palin To Help "Tell A Story"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/31/graham-mccain-picked-pali_n_122779.html

.; August 31, 2008 2:03 PM
apissedant said...: Great line!!! "We will act as Americans not as Republicans."

His speech writer should think through these lines before putting them on tv.; August 31, 2008 2:23 PM
Richard said...: I really don't think we should be spreading gossip about Sarah Palin's family.; August 31, 2008 2:30 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: To know the things that the GOP is going to have problems with with Palin all you have to do is look at what they are focusing on at the moment and putting out their own spin on:

1) Her baby (probably her daughter's)

2) The Bridge to Nowhere (She says that she said No Thanks - but there is evidence that she was for it)

3) Her ethics reform (but she is under investigation

4) Her qualifications (she doesn't have any)

The best place to hide a secret is out in the open :)

Obama-Biden '08; August 31, 2008 2:32 PM
Karen Anne said...: One significant thing about the baby issue is that Palin is claiming to be a pro-choice heroine because she says she knew about the Down's in advance and chose to have the baby anyway.

If he's her daughter's, they probably didn't know in advance. Down's is pretty frequent when the mother is in her 40s, but probably darn near non-existent when the mother is a teenager. So I bet it was not screened for.; August 31, 2008 2:37 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: Rich, I agree with you. Palin's family life is really none of our business. I was similarly against the folks who thought it was irresponsible of Mrs. Edwards to not tell the media about her personal life.

personal life should be, well, personal!

there are plenty of other things to talk about, when discussing Gov. Palin: lack of experience, lack of information, lack of ability to understand the vast vast array of differing opinions in this country, etc. My objection to her is that she'd not qualified to be VP (let alone POTUS). She clearly does not represent MY voice. McCain could have done much, much better. I'm disappointed in him, trying to generate theater when a presidential-type decision was really called for.; August 31, 2008 2:37 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Where exactly is the line?

If a political figure says things don't the public have the right to know if what they say is the truth?

It is Palin herself that has made the baby an issue in the campaign the first day. By using the baby as proof of her support for her pro-life view.

Also, the issue of 'good judgment' is involved regarding the baby. Such as why would any mother get on a plane and fly 12 hours after their water has broken. How can a VP devote time to five children especially when one is a special needs child.

The MSM is writing articles regarding all of this so I don't see what is wrong with us discussing the issues here - or at least letting people here on the thread what is being talked about everywhere else.; August 31, 2008 2:41 PM
apissedant said...: rich,
In some cases I would agree, but this one is special. Her entire campaign so far has been based on her personal life, and therefore her personal life is open for questioning. As Democrats, we got flack for John Edwards, and he isn't even our candidate. I'm so glad my first choice lost by the way.; August 31, 2008 2:41 PM
apissedant said...: karen,
The screen for those under 35 is optional and costs approximately 500 dollars. We did not screen our soon to be son for it.; August 31, 2008 2:44 PM
Independent Voter said...: Rich, I agree with you to the extent that IF it is a rumor. If it is just a rumor it should be extinguished. However, the media needs to do its job and do some actual investigation on the matter to get to the truth.

And the ONLY reason I say this, is because it goes back to the entire Republican platform of "family values". If it turns out that the kid is indeed her grandchild, it should be uncovered. Not to smear her daughter but to show that this woman in her acceptance of McCain's offer lied to the American people on SEVERAL fronts.

But then again it could backfire. Meaning she would gain the "sympathy" vote because she wanted to protect her 17 year old daughter.; August 31, 2008 2:48 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Basically in the two public appearances that Palin has made - 95% of what she has said has been about her and her family.

Perhaps everyone is now investigating her and her family is because she has not came out and talked about her policies or what she stands for other than that she is pro-life and pro-oil drilling and for ethics reform.

I want her to talk about the economy, Iraq and Afghanistan, supreme court justices, Russia/Georgia, education, healthcare, jobs, energy, equal pay, veterans benefits, etc. She hasn't said one word regarding any of those things yet.

But she has talked a lot about that baby, moose burgers, and snow mobiles.; August 31, 2008 2:49 PM
Richard said...: Let me clarify: I am not saying that a candidate's private life not relevant in an election, especially when they put their private life out there as an example of their qualifications. The simple fact of the matter is that we have no facts; all we have is speculation. To repeat speculation in the absence of evidence is gossip, and it is neither healthy nor productive.

If someone, either a member of the media or a private citizen, comes up with evidence that anything occurred other than what Gov. Palin has said, then it might be appropriate to post it here. In that case we can argue about its relevance to the race, and we may differ on that issue. But for now we have no evidence to justify spreading what may or may not turn out to be merely vicious rumors.; August 31, 2008 3:14 PM
Independent Voter said...: Rich - I agree with your clarification whole-heartedly.; August 31, 2008 3:17 PM
Independent Voter said...: Rich, the only thing is, that without the "rumor" there would be nothing to investigate. So I think people actually putting the possibility out there is in a way, well, kind of good?

If it gives the media something to investigate (provided they do their job), then good. But then again it is also up to the media to ALSO report whether the rumor is false or not.; August 31, 2008 3:20 PM
apissedant said...: Rich,
I find your clarification much more agreeable. It is VERY IMPORTANT not to report the rumors as truths.

However, as Dave said, every investigation starts with a rumor, and without the rumor there will never be any truth. I think it is important to not give these rumors too much weight, or even circulate them very much, but that still allows for SOME analysis.

For instance: THE BABY
The baby has down syndrome, and is rumored to possibly be the 16 year old daughters.

In favor of the rumor: The mother took a 12 hour plane flight from Texas and delivered a half an hour speech while she was supposedly in labor, which seems dangerous and stupid, unless she wasn't having a baby at all.
The daughter missed 4-5 months of school for, "a bad case of mono." Her picture was taken with her family during this time period, and there was no swelling in her lymph nodes, just in her FUPA. I have personally never heard of a child missing school for that long for mono, and the timing is coincidental.

Against: The child has down's syndrome, which is typical in older mothers, but very rare in young mothers.

No conclusion can be drawn from this information, except for that either way, the 12 hour flight seems inappropriate. If she was pregnant, she endangered her baby. If she wasn't, she lied and then accepted kudos for something she did not do. Then, after covering up her daughter's pregnancy, she decided to run for VP, where the truth would end up coming out on a national stage. This seems against the purpose of the cover-up.

Either way, on this one particular issue, I don't see how it could possibly be positive for her.

As for the rest of it, again, no conclusions can be drawn.; August 31, 2008 3:35 PM
apissedant said...: Here is an article where she goes at length explaining the trip:

http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/apr/22/palins-flight-labor-falls-under-scrutiny/

Her "experience" of having 4 babies apparently makes her qualified to decide what is healthy for a newborn. The flight attendant's first aid training apparently makes them qualified to give birth just as well as a doctor in a hospital. WHAT!?!?!

This is patented Religious Right thinking, with, "it's all in God's plan" thinking, and "science is hogwash" thinking. I DO have a problem with this. I DO NOT want my government thinking like this. I WILL comment negatively about this type of thinking.; August 31, 2008 3:40 PM
apissedant said...: Trig is the governor’s fifth child. She told her staff members that Trig was the easiest delivery of all her children.

I bet; August 31, 2008 3:42 PM
Joshua said...: Regardless of age, every pregnant woman is counseled and offered a screen for Down’s syndrome. Many opt out. It is unlikely that a parturient returned to work on post-partum day 3 after delivering a normal sized newborn. It will require a heroic effort to do that. But it will also show a woman who does not care about the infant, and places work over the child.; August 31, 2008 3:45 PM
Joshua said...: Though the frequency of Down’s syndrome dramatically increases after age 35, most Down syndrome babies come from women younger than 25 because more of them are having babies.; August 31, 2008 3:48 PM
Joshua said...: Sarah Palin’s “family values” is definitely fair game; in fact, more so than for other politicians. She is a republican and they always club people over the head with “family values.” It is not a gender issue.; August 31, 2008 3:54 PM
Joshua said...: If the Down’s syndrome child is really Palin’s grandchild, the duplicity and deception is definitely open for discussion. If the child is hers then her level of maternal instinct is definitely fair game. This is not sexist but shows the kind of parent she is. This goes to character. Character is certainly germane when you seek high office.

There are some things O cannot and will not talk about. But we can certainly talk about them.; August 31, 2008 3:59 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This is all I'm going to add until the MSM like CNN or others have something else:

At eight months:

1st baby - http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/pooteeweet28/1stchild.jpg

5th baby -
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/pooteeweet28/31408.jpg

And this is her the same month the baby was born walking in the winter outside in high heels:

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-70930

p.s. Someone just stole my Obama sign out of the front yard!!!
The is only the second day I had it and it was only outside for 2 hours today!; August 31, 2008 4:10 PM
jean said...: Ok,
I had testing on both of my pregnancies.
On my first pregnancy the test came back positive 3 times.
I do not know if it is only CA,
but at that time my case was turned over to the STATE and my insurance was not responsible for bills.
More extensive tests were done and everything was fine and I went back to my own insurance.
The State steps in because the costs is usually picked up by the State.
Just info.
jean; August 31, 2008 4:11 PM
Richard said...: We have nothing to talk about except rumors and our own speculations. In other words: gossip. There are rumors that BHO is a muslim, too, despite his clear statements to the contrary, and the MSM has also picked up on those rumors. If he were a Muslim and had been denying it publicly, wouldn't that reflect upon his trustworthiness? What is the difference between that rumor and the one's you folks are spreading.

We complain all the time about Republicans spreading these smears about Obama, but it's fine for us to spread smears about Palin? I don't think so.; August 31, 2008 4:12 PM
jean said...: My point is that there is a great chance that there are records with the State.
Find them and put it to bed.
I do not think the State will lie for anyone.
jean; August 31, 2008 4:16 PM
Joshua said...: Rich, I disagree. Someone’s religion is not open to debate. You accept at face value the statements of that person. It seems that you are one of those people who do not understand what religion is. Religion is a man-made construct and goes to how you choose to identify yourself. It is not for others to tell you how you see yourself.

Having a baby and dumping the baby onto a baby-sitter and returning to work is definitely irresponsible parenting. Let me explain that so you will have no doubt:

Have you heard of something called “imprinting?” The child needs to know who his mother is. It is irresponsible to have the child imprint a stranger in lieu of his parent.

That at least is a significant matter. It is very possible that this is an out-of-wedlock baby of her teenage daughter. This would be very significant. To deceive the public and claim a child not her own is a grave matter. I want to see the baby’s birth certificate. Obama posted his on the web when people like you were spreading fears about the circumstance of his birth. I call him a candid politician. I want to see Sarah Palin do the same and post the baby’s birth certificate. A birth certificate is a public document.; August 31, 2008 4:25 PM
Richard said...: Then find them and then post a real story rather than gossip.; August 31, 2008 4:26 PM
Independent Voter said...: Great new Obama ad entitledNo Change.; August 31, 2008 4:30 PM
apissedant said...: Rich,
Obama's campaign does not center around him NOT BEING A MUSLIM.

Also, again, in the one situation, I disagree with her EITHER WAY. If it is her baby, I disagree with her taking an 8 hour flight, a 30 minute speech, and all the driving just because she would rather have the baby in Alaska. In the other case, I disagree with her lying and covering up a child's pregnancy and then running for VP saying how heroic and what a great mother she is.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH WAY THE TRUTH ENDS UP GOING, EITHER WAY I FIND IT OBJECTIONABLE.

As Leah said, if this woman would talk about the issues, then we would debate her stance on the issues. Since she is campaigning solely on her personal life, then she not only opens the door for us to criticize her personal life, but FORCES US TO, because she has given us nothing else.; August 31, 2008 4:31 PM
Joshua said...: Rich
That is circumlocution. You have not touched the fact that she is at least a bad parent. That is an admitted fact.; August 31, 2008 4:32 PM
Doug said...: I agree that rumors do not make for good analysis. But Palin was chosen (it appears) precisely because of her "family values" orientation. If there is any truth to this story, the Republicans are finished, regardless of how much relevance it really has to whether Palin is fit for office (based on her resume, it is obvious she isn't).; August 31, 2008 4:40 PM
apissedant said...: I just saw a great new ad on MSNBC responding to the Ayers allegations. I can't find it online yet, but I love Barack Obama. =); August 31, 2008 5:34 PM
apissedant said...: New image. =) Thanks Mike.; August 31, 2008 5:36 PM
jean said...: Ap, People react to things differently and perhaps the husband is going to be the main caregiver of the child.
The biggest objection I have is that Palin has not cleared her 17 year olds name in having a pregnancy.
The girl is starting up school and teenagers are not always the nicest.
If this was about my daughter in the news I would be there to protect her and have someone's head.
I would never let it go this long.
jean; August 31, 2008 5:37 PM
apissedant said...: Democrats united, Republicans still split. (Despite MSM declarations of the opposite); August 31, 2008 5:40 PM
apissedant said...: jean,
The father has been an Alaskan fisherman for a very long time. I don't think he has spent too much time raising the children. Now you want him to raise a mentally challenged infant and 3 other children? That seems like an ugly learning curve.

Anyone who lives in a major fishing area knows that the fisherman spend a very long period of time out to sea. The woman is a self-described PTA mom and hockey mom. There has been no indication of the father having an active role in the raising of these children to date. "Primary caregiver" is a challenging job, and just like we shouldn't have a VP with no experience or ability, a family shouldn't want the primary caregiver with the same lack of experience. To say that any man could just wake up one day and play "Mr. Mom" is insulting to the mothers and fathers who are acting as primary caregivers now.; August 31, 2008 5:46 PM
jean said...: ap,
You do not know that.
It is total speculation.
It could be that is what he has always wanted to do, stay home and take care of the kids.
My husband wants to but the answer is "NO" he has to work and we have to do that eat thing. I work also.

We also do not know that the baby is not Palin's child. There is a question from the media. Everyone reads, well most.
My problem is that she is not protecting her daughter.
If it is the daughter's child that is hard enough, if it is Palin's child she is totally doing a horrible thing to her daughter without clearing this thing up immediatly.
jean; August 31, 2008 5:59 PM
Joshua said...: I’d be happy to engage you. This is the second time that I am responding to you. I cannot engage with you till you adopt another screen name. I find your current screen name objectionable.; August 31, 2008 6:06 PM
jean said...: Oreo and Matt have been very clear to please not feed trolls.; August 31, 2008 6:11 PM
apissedant said...: jean,
I never said that it was her child or the daughter's child. I said either way I find the mother's actions objectionable. As to a fisherman spending a lot of time out to sea, that is not speculation, that is fact. As to her spending her time doing the PTA and "hockey mom" thing, that is not speculation, she said as much.

Just because someone "wants" to do a job does not make them qualified. There are men that are qualified to be stay at home dad's. You cannot jump into the job with 4 children, one an infant that is mentally challenged and be successful. You are not ready. You did not raise those children, you don't know what being the primary caregiver job entails.

It is not speculation, it is his job, and her own words.

Here is a description of Alaskan fishing:
http://labor.state.ak.us/esd_alaska_jobs/seafood.htm

That is from the government that SHE runs. The crew often sleep on board and stay out to sea for long periods of time.; August 31, 2008 6:11 PM
apissedant said...: Joshua,
Please don't engage. He continually posts the same arguments over and over regardless of the issue or the facts. He argues using AOL straw polls, racism, religious bigotry, and homophobia. It is not worth your time.; August 31, 2008 6:12 PM
jean said...: ap,
I did not say it was speculation that he spent a lot of time at sea etc.
It is speculation that he is not capable.
My husband worked 80hrs a week till a non-compete clause when he sold his company.
For 3 years he stayed at home after that. He did everything with the kids and house etc.
He did great and was mad when he went back to work.
Not all women are meant to be mothers, to assume that is wrong.
I am willing to bet Palin had a housekeeper and possibly a nanny at the same time.
jean; August 31, 2008 6:16 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Good Headlines and articles on the front page of www.HuffingtonPost.com right now...

Cindy McCain: Palin Has National Security Experience Because Alaska Is Close To Russia

Palin: "I Haven't Really Focused Much On The War In Iraq"... Palin's

Mother-In-Law: "I'm Not Sure What She Brings To The Ticket"...

Obama-Biden '08; August 31, 2008 6:30 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama has a law degree and a degree in International Relations, has taught Constitution law (10 years) while he was a state senator for eight years and is now a U.S. Senator of the United States of America. Obama has traveled to MANY foreign countries over the years and has met with many foreign leaders. And over the past 19 months he has ran one of the most successful campaigns - people and budget - that has ever been run in American history.

Palin is NOT qualified to be VP and didn't even have a passport until 2007. She has a degree in Journalism for goodness sake! Her time as mayor is laughable - the town was very small and she had only two duties according to the towns job description: 1) to break the vote if it was a tie, and 2) to cut ribbons if a new business opened. She has LESS than 2 years experience as a governor of a state that has a very LOW population. Her husband works for an OIL company. Palin is pro-OIL and pro-life. Sarah Palin is under legislative investigation for abuse of power of an elected official.

The choice is clear here... Obama/Biden is the only sane choice!

Obama/Biden '08; August 31, 2008 6:32 PM
apissedant said...: jean,
Who said all women were meant to be primary caregivers? I specifically said that some men and some women are suited for the jobs, and others are not. I said that he DOES NOT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE that would make his success likely. That is true. I said he has 4 kids, one an infant with a mental disability. That is not an easy job. That is a job where experience is VERY HELPFUL.

As to whether she had a nanny or housekeeper the entire time she raised her children, well that is speculation.

I respect primary caregivers, whether men or women enough, to know that their job is both important and difficult. That the temperament and knowledge required do not just come over night.; August 31, 2008 6:35 PM
jean said...: ap,
First of all I want you to know I just finished cleaning my carpets.
What a grand Holiday Weekend LOL.

We are obviously going to agree to disagree.
Just because she raised 4 children, well not yet, does not mean she is better qualified to raise a disabled child.
The speculation of a housekeeper and nanny, yes it is. But you have a speculation or two also;)
jean
I now have to clean the rug cleaner.; August 31, 2008 6:46 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: The Republican strategy seems to be working... everyone is talking about Palin 'the mom' instead of the real issues: the two wars, the economy, McCain's judgment and age, healthcare, jobs, energy, etc.

This campaign is going to turn into a soap opera instead of an intellectual debate about who is best qualified to be a world leader and what direction this country needs to go.; August 31, 2008 6:50 PM
apissedant said...: That is a good analysis Leah. The hurricane honestly won't help us either. The laughable version of the RNC will now have an excuse and very little media attention.; August 31, 2008 6:53 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: apissedant-

But this is what is bad...

Last week the Republicans had a media war room set up at the Dem. convention and the networks gave tons of Republican talking heads ton of air time to spew their spin... and this week it was the Democrats turn to be on the networks for equal time.

So we have just been screwed ;); August 31, 2008 7:00 PM
apissedant said...: If experience doesn't matter, then I can be Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Leah can be President of the United States, and Dave can be Vice President. I'll let Mike in MD be Senate Majority Leader, and StopObamaNow be Senate Minority Leader.

Experience is important. How much and what type of experience is the debate, not whether or not it is required.

Every job requires an application with references and work history, even sales associate.

Raising 4 children is even more difficult. Every college has a major solely devoted to these special needs students, and they all require learning basic skills for educating regular children as well as educating special needs children.

My wife has a degree in caring for adults and children with down's syndrome, and has been doing so for 6 years. I am smart, but I can't do her job. My mother was the primary caregiver for 3 children that have grown to be successful college graduates, and two own their own businesses. She also has run her own daycare for 25 years.

I won't disrespect my mother or my wife by saying that a man that worked as a steel worker and a fisherman could step in and do the job just as well tomorrow. HAVING a child has nothing to do with RAISING a child.

Starting with one infant is one thing, and there will still be a learning curve. Starting with 4 children of various ages and again, one with special needs, that is a totally different ball game.; August 31, 2008 7:06 PM
apissedant said...: Leah,
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the situation. The short memory of Americans doesn't help either. This hurricane will likely go down without much drama, which is a good thing for our nation. The problem is I'm afraid the Republicans will be credited with doing things right, because they DID THEIR JOBS FOR ONCE.

Katrina was the 3rd strongest hurricane to hit land in the US, yet it had the worst damages and worst number of casualties. Instead of comparing how well they respond to THIS hurricane, DURING AN ELECTION YEAR, to how well they responded to Katrina, we should be comparing it to hurricanes that previous administrations responded to. That won't happen.

Just like with US death tolls in Iraq, they compare it with December of 2006, the worst month ever due to Republican failures, and now they have successfully postured themselves as... well... successful, because they didn't screw up as bad as they did in December. WHAT!!??!?!?!; August 31, 2008 7:10 PM
apissedant said...: Leah,
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the situation. The short memory of Americans doesn't help either. This hurricane will likely go down without much drama, which is a good thing for our nation. The problem is I'm afraid the Republicans will be credited with doing things right, because they DID THEIR JOBS FOR ONCE.

Katrina was the 3rd strongest hurricane to hit land in the US, yet it had the worst damages and worst number of casualties. Instead of comparing how well they respond to THIS hurricane, DURING AN ELECTION YEAR, to how well they responded to Katrina, we should be comparing it to hurricanes that previous administrations responded to. That won't happen.

Just like with US death tolls in Iraq, they compare it with December of 2006, the worst month ever due to Republican failures, and now they have successfully postured themselves as... well... successful, because they didn't screw up as bad as they did in December. WHAT!!??!?!?!; August 31, 2008 7:10 PM
apissedant said...: I think I'm going to have to change my profile picture back. I look like a whore. ;); August 31, 2008 7:41 PM
Karen Anne said...: ap,

ha ha ha ha ha.

Don't I get cabinet post or something? How about the EPA?; August 31, 2008 7:53 PM
jean said...: Ap,
Actually it looks like you have Thunder Thighs. Just kidding;)
If you are taking requests, I would be interested in the organization of Health Care.
jean; August 31, 2008 8:19 PM
apissedant said...: Karen Anne,
I'm saving health care for someone with proper qualifications (Note I did note use the word experience ;) ). Have you ever worked at Exxon? Have you or a company you have worked for ever paid into the superfund? These are prerequisites for this position.

jean,
HUD chairman, that's my final offer!; August 31, 2008 8:31 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: I was an environmental engineer, but I'd rather have NASA!; August 31, 2008 8:46 PM
apissedant said...: vicki!
By the way, the research is based around using near IR spectroscopy to detect a difference in a substance called glycol ether DM in jet fuel. It is a hydrophillic icing inhibitor that works by dissolving any water into the fuel to prevent it from creating a concentrated layer on the bottom that would freeze at high altitudes. ;)

The near IR probe is already being used to test multiple other properties, and they're attempting to expand it into detecting this property at all. It looks like it may work, but not with the precision we were hoping for. The additive is supposed to be at 100 PPM.; August 31, 2008 9:02 PM
apissedant said...: And engineering of any sort is way too close to NASA. You can have the Department of Homeland Security.; August 31, 2008 9:04 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: apissedant said...
I'll let Mike in MD be Senate Majority Leader, and StopObamaNow be Senate Minority Leader.

Ha ha!!

I'd let the SOB try to filibuster, then when he quits flapping his lips, call for a vote. I figure that by the time people hear him flapping his lips with the same, tired, non-germane 'argument', just about every member of the Senate would be able to figure out the lack of intelligence of him/it/her, and vote the opposite way they would have been exhorted to vote.

I might even introduce a Senate rule that everyone must be civil, and if it is determined that someone is NOT civil, all their leadership and committee positions in the Senate are null and void. If they are obnoxious, as determined by a majority vote of each party, they are tossed from the Senate. After all, Article I, Section 5 states "Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members . . . ."

I figure it would take the SOB SON about a week to get kicked out.

VBG

Mike; August 31, 2008 9:10 PM
jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 31, 2008 9:17 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: If I get Dept of Homeland Security, I want one of these:

http://images.cafepress.com/product/191466504v6_350x350_Front_Color-Brown.jpg; August 31, 2008 9:43 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Breaking News...

Alaska National Guard General: Palin Plays No Role In National Defense Activities Even When They Involve The Alaska National Guard

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/31/alaska-national-guard-gen_n_122860.html

Excerpt:

Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, adjutant general of the Alaska National Guard, considers Palin "extremely responsive and smart" and says she is in charge when it comes to in-state services, such as emergencies and natural disasters where the National Guard is the first responder.

But, in an interview with The Associated Press on Sunday, he said he and Palin play no role in national defense activities, even when they involve the Alaska National Guard. The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is not briefed on situations.; August 31, 2008 9:49 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama memo takes shot at Palin

MINNEAPOLIS -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's campaign said Friday that Republican rival John McCain's decision for a running mate signaled that he is beholden to the right wing of the Republican Party and putting politics ahead of judgment.

In internal talking points for Obama surrogates, the campaign asked: "What does his selection of Gov. Sarah Palin say about the kind of President John McCain would be? "

The memo, obtained by The Hill, lays out how Obama surrogates should attack Palin, noting that McCain had only met the governor once before tapping her as his running mate, emphasizing her inexperience and proclaiming the McCain picked Palin to placate the right wing of his party.

"John McCain made a political calculation and has chosen a candidate who will mollify the right and shares his view that the economic policies of George W. Bush are working and should continue," the memo read. "And that’s a risk America can’t afford."

While the Obama campaign released a statement Friday saying that Obama and running mate Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.) hailed the pick, the internal talking points memo distributed to surrogates made it clear that Democrats plan to portray Palin as inexperienced and a politically expedient pick for McCain to mollify hardcore conservatives in his party.

"What does it say that he knuckled under to the right-wing of his party, who angrily threatened to veto McCain’s preferred candidates, Joe Lieberman and Tom Ridge, for their pro-choice views?," the memo reads. "What does it say that, in order to satisfy the right, he hastily selected someone he barely knew-and had only met once – to serve a heartbeat away from the presidency?"

------; August 31, 2008 9:59 PM
apissedant said...: Mike,
LOL, sounds like the Senate would be a lot more fun to watch. CSPAN might pass FOX news in viewers for a few weeks.; August 31, 2008 10:04 PM
apissedant said...: Leah,
In all fairness, Palin will be the lack of a heartbeat away from the Presidency. As long as the heart keeps beating, we'll only have a mildly senile and ignorant leader.; August 31, 2008 10:06 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This is grrrrrreat!

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/08/31/cereal-city-goes-ga-ga-for-obamabiden/

.; August 31, 2008 10:07 PM
apissedant said...: MY GOD I LOOK LIKE A WHORE! I can't get over that! If McCain wins, well screw it I won't live in this country, but anyways... I request that she sings, "happy birthday Mr. President." to McCain.; August 31, 2008 10:09 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: apissendant-

Well the next time I talk to Obama I will ask him to make sure his staff words his memos better ;)

O and Joe '08; August 31, 2008 10:13 PM
tmess2 said...: If we are handing out appointments based on being as qualified as Palin, I will take Attorney General. I figure 14 years of practicing law in a county of 32,000 people meets the Palin test.; August 31, 2008 10:34 PM
apissedant said...: tmess2,
You are WAAAAY overqualified. How about Secretary of Defense??; August 31, 2008 10:46 PM
Richard said...: I teach Latin & Greek at a school with 42 students; can I be Education Secretary?; August 31, 2008 10:57 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I have worked in a couple of law firms and I can speak Italian and one time I THOUGHT about being in a beauty contest - oh and I wear skirts and high heels --- So, I will be the U.S. Ambassador in Italy. The U.S. embassy is in the center of Roma and is huge and beautiful! Yes siree that is the job I want - and I should get it since I am a WOMAN and I have eaten rattlesnake before and I live in Houston, Texas so of course I know all about OIL, oil refinerys, and off-shore drilling --- and I have actually seen live armadillos !; August 31, 2008 11:37 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Oh and I forgot to say that I've been to Italy three times (10 days, 3 months, 3 months) and I have a passport. I know all about Italian food and culture - so I am highly qualified for that position.

And the one thing that makes me most qualified to the U.S. Ambassadorship in Italy is that I have hung laundry on a clothes line on my balcony at least 10 times in Italy! Yeaaaaaa I win!; August 31, 2008 11:42 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Palin's response to a candidate questionnaire for the Alaska 2006 gubernatorial race:

Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance."

Palin may not be offended by the phrase "under God", but I'm offended by her lack of knowledge of the Pledge and it's relationship to the Founding Fathers.

According to this Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance), the Pledge was written in 1892 (by a SOCIALIST !!), adapted by Congress in 1942 to be the Pledge used in the US, and the phrase 'under God' was added in 1954. I don't think any of the Founding Fathers were alive in 1892, let alone in 1954.

Oh, and someone at 538.com posited that she wasn't referring to the Pledge and the Founding Fathers, but her reference to 'it' was a reference to God.

Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

I had some fun asking who was the worst with their explanation. IMO, it came up a tie between Palin and the Repig troll on that thread.

Mike; August 31, 2008 11:52 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Rich and Leah,

Can you say 'OVERQUALIFIED'?????

VBG

Mike

P.S., the 'captcha' this time was 'nltrp'. Netherlands Terp? I'm of Dutch descent, and the terrapin is the Maryland state reptile, so I guess it's appropo.; September 01, 2008 12:01 AM
Richard said...: Overqualified? Hmm. Let me try again: I've seen a doctor several times in my life. Can I be health-care czar a la Hillary '92?; September 01, 2008 12:09 AM
apissedant said...: You guys have completely terrible resumes for the Executive Branch. Apparently you do not realize how these positions are currently assigned. Remember if by some miracle of Satan Senator McCain becomes President McCain, this is what your resume should include:

1) An explanation that you have never had anything to do with the administration you want to work in or oversee. If you have never worked in this field, you have never made a mistake regarding that field, and therefore you're good.

2) An answer to this simple question: "What about President McCain makes you want to serve him?"

This is how the current administration has been run, this is how Senator McCain has run his Presidential campaign, and all polls show that a minimum of 40% of voting Americans approve.

Based on this, Secretary of Education cannot be assigned to anyone with more than a GED. All others destroy their resumes now.; September 01, 2008 12:15 AM
apissedant said...: Mike,
The Constitution also does not include God, and "In God We Trust" was not added to money until Abraham Lincoln. God was intentionally left out of our founding. Only the Declaration of Independence refers to God, and the man that wrote it didn't consider himself a Christian. Astonishing how our history has been distorted so much.; September 01, 2008 12:17 AM
apissedant said...: If they have a any sort of a debate where people can write in questions, don't write in any policy based questions, just history based questions. McCain and Palin will both miss all of them, and we'll have entertainment from good old Keith the next day.; September 01, 2008 12:18 AM
Richard said...: Oh, oh! I get it! So, since I have absolutely no military experience and am perfectly willing to lie to John McCain about my motivations, I should become Sec. of Defense?; September 01, 2008 12:18 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike in Maryland -

I got hooked on Obama for president when I first saw his speech in 2004 at the Dem. convention.

BUT when I truly knew that he would be a great president is when I learned that he had been teaching Constitutional law at a university.

I truly want a president that knows what is in the U.S. Constitution and what the other laws of this land are.

I know that our U.S. Constitution says that a president must be 35 years of age and a natural born citizen and that there must not be a religious text... but in my opinion there needs to be a new amendment written in order to insure that unqualified people cannot become president or vice-president. Some sort of test that measures the knowledge of our Constitution and the basics of the law of our land. I would even go as far as saying that perhaps the Congress should have a pre-vetting process to insure that our country does not end up in the hands of someone like Sarah Palin.

When a presidential candidate can pick an off-the-wall person to put on the ticket with him/her without the American public having any say at all regarding his choice then something is definitely wrong with the process that we now have.; September 01, 2008 12:19 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: tmess2 - I would be very interesting in your opinion since you have a background in the legal field.; September 01, 2008 12:22 AM
Richard said...: Leah, we do have a say. On Nov. 4.; September 01, 2008 12:23 AM
apissedant said...: There should also be at least 4 references to the acronym POW.; September 01, 2008 12:25 AM
Bob in Vancouver said...: Mike in Maryland -

Dateline Vancouver, British Columbia. I'm absolutely pissed off with Cindy McCain. Here we are, Canada, with the Yukon and British Columbia right on the border with Alaska, yet she choses to cite Russia as Sarah Palin's international experience. What are we? Chopped Liver.; September 01, 2008 12:27 AM
apissedant said...: Rich,
You sound like you have the perfect qualifications!; September 01, 2008 12:28 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Bob,

In her defense, I did see a couple of Reich-wingers comment on the border between Alaska and Canada.

I think it mostly was about signing a bill (or at least speaking in support of it) for a pipeline for oil or gas from Alaska through Canada to the lower 48, though. I'm not sure how much support that is for her, though. She might have said "Why go through Canada, and not Russia?"

VBG

Mike; September 01, 2008 12:32 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Rich-

No. We do not have a say. Voting on November 4th is not the same thing. People will be voting for the top of the ticket.

We don't even appoint a Supreme Court Justice without thorough vetting and a vote on that one person's qualifications and character.

We should not allow ONE PERSON to pick a person as VP and then if that person dies the whole American public is stuck with that person as their leader.

Something is very wrong...; September 01, 2008 12:33 AM
apissedant said...: bob,
International relations only involves relations with nations that have either cheap labor and lax environmental policies, or nations that we currently have hostile relations.

This is particularly amusing since we also refuse to negotiate with nations with whom we have hostile relations.

This, of course, is according to the right. Why you need experience in order to give the silent treatment I do not understand.; September 01, 2008 12:33 AM
Bob in Vancouver said...: uybtqzGuess what everyone, that picture of Sarah Palin in a leather mini skirt and stilleto heals has been taken off the web in the last hour. I hope someone saved it and circulated it.; September 01, 2008 12:34 AM
suzihussein22 said...: Bob in Vancuever-You ARE starting to sound kink of hostile, now that you mention it. ;)

peevish-My experience is in retail management. I've never been out of the country. Where would that leave me?; September 01, 2008 12:36 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Bob in Vancouver -

They picked 'Russia' so it would sound more like she could stand up to enemies.

Canada is our friend, but it is Russia that we are having problems with at the moment.

A other Republican strategy of injecting fear into our politics.

Dealing with Canada or Mexico doesn't get the headlines like Russia does.; September 01, 2008 12:38 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: suzihussein22-

I know you did not ask me but I would say that you must be our Secretary of the Treasury and we will put you in charge of everything that has to do with America's economy, banks, and trade relations :)

And as a part-time job you and fiddle around over at the U.N. :)

If that's not enough to keep you busy you can let me know :); September 01, 2008 12:48 AM
Joshua said...: CSPAN is rebroadcasting a rally that McCain, Palin and Cindy attended. Guess what, all three are about the same height.

Obama is taller than any person with whom I have seen him (except his personal assistant, Reggie).

Except in the case of George W, the taller candidate has always won the presidential election. We shall see how this election will go.; September 01, 2008 12:48 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: The reason I wanted the Ambassadorship in Italy was because I don't want to work too much... I love the beaches in Sicily ;)

Like George W. Bush I want to have 300 days a year off from work ;)

Hmmmmm... maybe I should be president - I know how to delegate work to others then I would only have to work a couple days a year under the Bush system of doing things!; September 01, 2008 12:51 AM
suzihussein22 said...: leah-I do okay in monopoly, the national treasury shouldn't be that much harder. I don't usually advance allowances with my kids. I'm pretty mean, eh? Oh, and can I be ambassador to Scotland? I don't own a kilt, but I'd get to check up on Ed. He's already given directions to a pub. ;)

You're not supposed to let us know how much you'd enjoy the position.

Did anybody think Reagan was going to be a serious contender? He was inspiring and a good orator. That didn't sway too many people. :~
I'm using him as a comparison to Palin.

peevish-I could pull off a miniskirt, but not a 2 piece. I don't have any Shania tops either.; September 01, 2008 1:01 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: All I know is that it might be hard for me to be president because I don't look as good as Obama does in a suit... and I hate telling ya'll this ... a few years ago I had a similar black leather mini-shirt and similar 4 inch black heels like Palin had in that photo that I posted a link to earlier today! LOL! It is the truth! I don't want to be VP no no no- no way!; September 01, 2008 1:15 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This is scarey...

Last night for several hours when I couldn't go to sleep I had C-SPAN on and they were showing Republican acceptance speeches from the past...

They started with hmmm... 1932 I think - and I was dozing off and on but a few times when I woke up some of the things they said made sense and sounded good... I guess NO MORE C-SPAN for me in the middle of the night! Btw, when I finally went to sleep it was when George W. Bush was talking!; September 01, 2008 1:19 AM
Aunt Jean said...: AP

my feeling are hurt you didn't give me a job. LOL AJ; September 01, 2008 1:31 AM
Bob in Vancouver said...: I just foind this on the web.

"Bristol, Sarah Palin's daughter, DID get pregnant at sixteen (which everyone knows because Willow's eighth-grade boyfriend blabbed about it to everyone obvs.) and DID have not only a baby but a "quickie wedding" and is being currently "homeschooled,"

I know that Bristol is Sarah Palin's eldest daughter, but who is Willow?; September 01, 2008 1:32 AM
suzihussein22 said...: leah-That didn't escape your notice either, eh?

Interesting how Palin can get away with a gaping jacket, but HRC couldn't have a slightly low neckline. I can't really handle seeing leatherish materials on Ms. McCain at the level of public responsibility she's portraying while I'm at it.; September 01, 2008 1:35 AM
Karen Anne said...: Leah has the right idea - ambassador.

Unfortunately, I have actually been to most of the places I'd most like to be ambassador to, so I guess that rules me out :-(

Wait, the trips were only about two weeks, so that doesn't count, right?

And I can't speak any of the languages beyond phrasebook level, surely that's a plus?; September 01, 2008 1:45 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Bob in Vancouver -

Palin's kid in order of age

Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper, Trig

I think that is it.

Oh my God, I can't believe that is in my long term memory already!

.; September 01, 2008 1:45 AM
Aunt Jean said...: AP

I've been to Canada, mexico, and most of the US. I was in the medical field for 10 years. So where would you put me. Also since I also live in Texas I know about oil too. AJ; September 01, 2008 1:48 AM
Karen Anne said...: Bob -

Plain kids re wikipedi -
Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper, Trig

So, did Palin really think this would not come out (Edwards hubris) or did she not care. I have to think the former, since they apparently went to some lengths to cover it up.; September 01, 2008 1:49 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Karen Anne -

You can open a book and you can read?

We must find you a high level position immediately!

I think the head of the CIA would be excellent for you!

---

Now we just have to find someone that is familiar with horses so we will fill the Head of FEMA slot!!!; September 01, 2008 1:50 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Hey Leah

I raised a few horses so how about me. AJ; September 01, 2008 1:51 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I have to have my say here and put in my two cents...

The only two people here today with the names that start with the letter 'J' are Aunt Jean and Joshua.

So I think we should declare all person that have names with the letter 'J' must be appointed Supreme Court 'J'ustices !!!; September 01, 2008 1:52 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah the only thing is why horses? AJ; September 01, 2008 1:52 AM
Bob in Vancouver said...: Covering up: They are furiously removing everthing they can find from the web.; September 01, 2008 1:52 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

sounds like you would be just right for President!!!!What a life. LOL AJ; September 01, 2008 1:54 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Aunt Jean you don't want to be the head of FEMA... remember Brownie that got fired during Katrina? His experience was with Arabian horses before he was appointed the head of FEMA and then he didn't have a clue of what to do when Katrina hit New Orleans.; September 01, 2008 1:55 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Bob in Vancouver -

Don't worry.

I am sure the second that McCain announced Palin as his VP choice the Obama team and 1000's of people took screen shots of everything regarding Palin on the web.

Nothing is ever lost once it has been on the web even after it has been scrubbed.

If they are scrubbing stuff then you can be sure that that is the stuff that will be brought out against Palin by the Obama folks, the media, and the public.; September 01, 2008 1:58 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

oh yea that's right I forgot. So I'd be happy to take Supreme Court Justice. So I get to make laws [oh boy]. Are would that be a abuse of power? LOL AJ; September 01, 2008 1:59 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Louisiana State University Professor Ivor van Heerden tells of lost opportunities to make Louisiana safer, and says there is the potential for massive damage from even a relatively weak Gustav:

http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/31/opportunities-missed-in-preparing-for-gustav

The main culprit? The Army Corps of Engineers - DoD, thus Bush administration responsibility.

Mike; September 01, 2008 2:01 AM
apissedant said...: soft,
I think Leah is on the right track with UN Ambassador. Your knowledge of how to manage a budget may disqualify you from the Treasury though. Definitely UN Ambassador. You can seal it up if you don't have a passport.

AJ,
You've disqualified yourself from most of the good jobs, so how would you like to be the leader of the Congressional Black Caucus?; September 01, 2008 2:01 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Aunt Jean...

On second thought being a Supreme Court Justice wouldn't be right for you.

Since you have medical experience...

You should take up Hillary's work and be the Secretary of Health, the head of AIDS research, the head of the CDC, and the head of all medical research that is taking place around the world!

Yes, that is perfect for you.

Congratulations, you have eight years to get everything done - get to work!; September 01, 2008 2:04 AM
apissedant said...: Leah,
I don't know if you recall or ever saw it... but it turned out Brown wasn't as bad as everyone thought. There was either video or audio of him debriefing the situation just prior to Katrina hitting Louisiana, and explaining that FEMA was unprepared and blah blah blah blah blah. Bush blew him off and ignored the warning.; September 01, 2008 2:04 AM
suzihussein22 said...: bob-Did you read about Bristol on demunderground? It looks like she is a teenage soon-to-be mom, so why would it be covered up? That to me is a form of lying also. It smacks of ambition, which McCain has already claimed anyway.; September 01, 2008 2:07 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah that sounds even better. Since I'll be a nurse at heart forever. AJ; September 01, 2008 2:07 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: apissedant-

Yes, I remember 'something' about that... something also that he had made recommendations earlier and wasn't able to get funding an approval and then when everything went to hell they blamed him for everything.

It's too bad that we don't have people in office that when they see things are wrong and can't get things fixed that they just don't come on out and do a press conference .. say what needs to be said.. and then quit to prove a point.; September 01, 2008 2:09 AM
Karen Anne said...: Bob in V,

That ho link seems to still work.

I sure they can't possibly scrub any significant amount of stuff from the web before it's propagated to sites they have no control over. It's probably already circulating widely in email as well.; September 01, 2008 2:12 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Someone needs to go back through the comments and make a list of all of our new jobs and post a list. I'm drinking Italian lemoncello tonight and my eyes are too blurry to make the list! LOL :)

Btw... last Sunday night my hard drive on my main computer crashed BROKE big time... I did go back and copy the Electoral Vote Contest data from this thread and saved it on a new computer. I lost everything! All of my Obama photos that I had saved - around 400 of them .. almost 1000 Italian songs that I had downloaded over the years, and all of the short stories that I wrote in the Italian language. Nothing was backed up and it actually made be sick to my stomach for a couple of days. I feel better now - but it still makes me sad.

Obama-Biden '08; September 01, 2008 2:15 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Open Thread EV Contest

JayW - 269
Beryl - 280
Hippolytus - 289
Dilbuck - 290
softspoken22 - 298
Emma - 300 (1)
Aunt Jean - 300 (2)
SarahLawrenceScott - 303
Richard - 304
jean - 311
Mike in Maryland - 312
tmess2 - 315 — (O-65m/M58m)*7
RobH - 317 (1)
apissedant - 317 (2) — (O-68m/M-60m)*8
Oregon Dem - 332
Leah - 345 — (O-69m/M-50m)*19
Woodland Sprite - 360
Emit R Detsaw - 429
Independent voter - 538
suzi - (51.5% pop. vote)
Oh Canada - 304

Everyone can add an Obama pop.vote number and McCain pop.vote number rounded off to the nearest million - the last number (*) is the margin. Or just a pop.vote or margin # if you wish to do so.
___________________________
2004 General Election Popular vote
Bush 62,040,610
Kerry 59,028,444; September 01, 2008 2:19 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Leah,

Sounds like you need an external hard drive for your computer.

Go to TigerDirect.com, click "Hard Drives" in the left-hand column, then click "2.5" Mobile Hard Drives or "External USB/Firewire" to get to several dozen of each.

Then when you save something, save it to the external hard drive also. That way, you have it on the HD of the computer, but you also have a copy backed up. A lot of external HDs have automatic backup software, so you can set it to back up at a certain time each day - you don't have to remember, so you don't forget.

Mike; September 01, 2008 2:23 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; September 01, 2008 2:26 AM
apissedant said...: I don't know if anyone has posted this:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137; September 01, 2008 2:27 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike in Maryland-

Thank you for your advice. But now at this point I don't have anything to save and I don't even have my own new computer yet. I am on a borrowed one.

I have learned my lesson though - not to keep so many special things on a laptop without backing them up ;(; September 01, 2008 2:30 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Repost with corrections...

Aunt jean -

I wanted to tell you that I am truly glad that you are now supporting Senator Obama. I really do not like John McCain and even more I do not like Sarah Palin. I think Palin has shown poor taste by using Hillary's words about the '18 million votes and the glass ceiling' - she should not have done that. Also, yesterday during the McCain/Palin rally Palin mentioned Hillary and the crowd 'boo'ed' and Palin stood there smiling. I think Palin should have said something to the crowd that they should not boo. Obama has told his crowd in the past not to boo Hillary and I have respected him in the past for doing that.

Palin is NO Hillary.

I, as a woman, feel very insulted that McCain is trying to fill Hillary's role as a woman's advocate with another woman (Palin) that has basically done almost nothing in her political life.

On this issue I hope Hillary comes out fighting and puts Palin and the Republicans in their place!; September 01, 2008 2:33 AM
apissedant said...: Leah,
You're having bad luck this year. That reminds me... what ever happened to hip (that person that used to post here)?

Oh, night all. Talk to you tomorrow.; September 01, 2008 2:35 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: apissedant-

Yes, we posted similar things earlier but your post has a longer video.

Like I said earlier today ... pregnant women don't walk in winter in high heels.

I think this is going to be a big story very soon and before the election.

I posted a photo link earlier today of Palin when she was pregnant with her first baby and in your video she does NOT look pregnant at all!

Today the news folks said that Palin is heading back to Alaska because she packed only enough clothes for a couple of days... I will not be surprised if she drops out of the race and stays in Alaska.; September 01, 2008 2:45 AM
Aunt Jean said...: AP that sounds boring I want a better job. Like with travel to far away places or to make laws.Can't you find me something? Or I will throw myself down on the floor and kick my feet. LOL.AJ; September 01, 2008 2:47 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

about Hillary I know she will just at the right moment. AJ; September 01, 2008 2:49 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; September 01, 2008 2:50 AM
Aunt Jean said...: OBAMA/BIDEN OBAMA/BIDEN OBAMA/BIDEN OBAMA/BIDEN OBAMA/BIDEN OBAMA/BIDEN

08; September 01, 2008 2:52 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

This is not only a slap against Hillary but more so against Obama. It was wrong no matter how you look at it.AJ; September 01, 2008 2:53 AM
Bob in Vancouver said...: Suzihussein22

Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother [Photos+Video]

Here is the full story. It is rather long:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137; September 01, 2008 2:56 AM
Independent Voter said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; September 01, 2008 2:56 AM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - HOW RUDE! Giving me the VP slot? UGH! You are comparing me to Palin? You ASSHOLE!

At least with me being a Poli Sci major, how could you possibly compare me to a glorified journalism major? At least I have a CLUE as to what a VP does. I would say compared to her, I would be TOTALLY overqualified for the job.

I know, I'll go back in the closet, go into the Minneapolis airport and play foot tap in the stall. I will send inappropriate text messages and e-mails to my male pages. And then I will get anti-gay legislation passed. would that qualify me to replace Mark Foley and Larry Craig? Of course I would have to deny to my death of EVER having a homosexual encounter. The only problem is I'm not quite sure what to do with Bill ;); September 01, 2008 2:57 AM
UUbuntu said...: On the Pregnant Palin stories, I've read the DailyKos blog posts (and the Andrew Sullivan blog), and while amusing, I suspect there's not much there. I could be wrong though.

Essentially, if this really were the case (Sarah Palin being Trig's grandmother, not her mother), this would have shown up in the Anchorage news feeds long before now, and Ms. Palin certainly would have disclosed this (and/or disqualified herself) to the Republican folks in an initial interview. After all, the Republicans may be incompetent in governance, but not in politics.

For now anyway, it's a fun possibility, but like other conspiracy theories, I don't think it'll hold much water. In a post Thomas Eagleton world, I doubt that even the current Republicans could make that level of an error, not to mention the Palin family as well.

For what it's worth, here's a nice Alaskan Political blog, where one commenter appears to have some personal knowledge of the story.

I would suggest going here: In the Land of Palin, and then searching for posts by "Sue Williams", an Alaskan Republican who knows the Palins casually. Her posts appear to be well written and genuine. And she believes that Sarah Palin, not her daughter, is Trig Palin's mother.

For now anyway, I believe this story won't have legs. It's a fun story though.; September 01, 2008 2:58 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

if you don't want VP I'll take it that way I can send Palin to Russia.[ammbasstor of good will] Of course she would have to wear the black leather skirt/shorts?. I would make it a requirement. AJ; September 01, 2008 3:02 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: The race between Obama and Hillary was fair in regards that both of them are Senators and do have some Washington experience. The people of America voted, delegates voted, and a choice was made.

But as far as Palin is concerned, ONE MAN - JOHN McCAIN - has chosen her.

And he has chosen her for the wrong reasons. He knew he was not going to win going up against Obama. He knew his base as not excited. He knew that all the people he could pick would have baggage or faults -- so he chose Palin because she is female and not well known. This is truly an insult to all women and to America. And an insult to all the female Republican senators and governors that are more qualified.

Also, McCain has used poor judgment because he has chosen someone that is NOT ready to fill the slot of President if he were to die. On a Sunday talk show a McCain camp person said that Palin will 'be at the foot of McCain for the next four years learning all that she needs to know." WHAT KIND OF CRAP IS THAT!

I could go on and on but my fingers need a break!; September 01, 2008 3:02 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Tyler-

Are you sure?

The DailyKos link has more video, photos, and news in the article than it did earlier this evening!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137

.; September 01, 2008 3:08 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: OK Tyler, she might not be the grandmother, but the mother.

If she IS the mother, then excuse away the (delayed) fast trip from Dallas to Wasilla, Alaska for the impending birth. A trip that was first delayed because she HAD to give her speech on oil policy. And that speech was given HOURS after the amniotic fluid began to leak.

BTW - leaking amniotic fluid does not necessarily mean the water has broke. A doctor can determine what is going on with a physical examination (not over the phone, ala Dr. Frist-like), and if it's not because of impending birth, immediate action needs to be taken to prevent complications, such as infection.

If she's not the mother, she's guilty of lying.

If she is the mother, then the trip back to Alaska shows she is totally irresponsible.

Either way, what does it say about her character and concern for the health of her children?

Mike; September 01, 2008 3:09 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

in McLames mind women are just table dressings. Yes I agree whole heartly with you that he insults all women. AJ; September 01, 2008 3:10 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Goodnight everyone.

For those of ya'll that are in the USA have a great holiday tomorrow.

Obama-Biden '08; September 01, 2008 3:13 AM
Independent Voter said...: AJ, You can send her in a leather skirt, but I'll be DAMNED if she takes my leather shorts ;); September 01, 2008 3:14 AM
Independent Voter said...: gnite leah.; September 01, 2008 3:14 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

goodnight you have a great day tomorrow also. AJ; September 01, 2008 3:14 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; September 01, 2008 3:18 AM
Independent Voter said...: g'night Jean - you have a great day too. and you too Leah, p'd ant, Vista Jean, Vicki, Soft, Rich, and anyone else I forgot to mention.; September 01, 2008 3:20 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave wouldn't that be poetic justice. LOL Well folks have a great day tomorrow and talk to you then goodnight. AJ

p.s. Dave I promise I'll send her in a leather skirt you can keep your leather shorts. LOL; September 01, 2008 3:20 AM
Aunt Jean said...: To everyone on here have a great night you guys. AJ; September 01, 2008 3:22 AM
Joshua said...: I have only seen a few photos. If it works for former Senator Bill Frist, it works for me. And this is even my area of specialization. The teenager in that photo is gravid. Laymen call that pregnant.

1. Sarah Palin is a liar.
2. So much for abstinence-only sex education, a republican stalwart.
3. McCain never vetted the Palin woman. Talk about judgment. He put someone right in line for controlling the nation’s nuclear launching sequence and did not bother to do minimal due diligence? Before I hire a receptionist, I check her out more thoroughly than McCain checked this woman. And you want to tell me that McCain is taking this presidency seriously? I have heard of an impulsive rash decision but this is ridiculous.

I will reserve final judgment till I verify dates. This is just looking at her picture and no other information.; September 01, 2008 3:30 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

one more thing before I call it a night. How is Bills fingers? I hope everything is going well with them. AJ; September 01, 2008 3:31 AM
UUbuntu said...: "Am I sure"? No -- it's just a lot of comments on an interesting thread by a particular person -- Sue Williams -- who appears to be a "real name" from Wasilla, AK (google "Sue Williams" alaska) and her address and phone number show up)

Her claim (and I recommend going to that site and thread -- where there appear to be many skeptics too) is that Trig is Sarah's son AND that Bristol is pregnant (but not due for a month or so). I'm not saying it's fact, but I am saying that I give more credence to her posts than -- at this point -- I do to the DailyKos story, since many of the pictures are undated, since virtually all of the late pictures are of her in black, and since she appears to be pregnant in the last months (and yes, I've seen the video)

What does it say about Palin's judgment that she would get on a plane for 8 hours after her water broke? It says bad things -- essentially it shows that she's driven and determined to do things her way, regardless of the risks. Kind of like McCain.

But regardless of the truth (which we'll find out in the next few days anyway), this pregnancy story sounds like pure small-town rural state stuff. And it reinforces my view that Ms. Palin is out of her league right now.

She may not make it through the convention at this point, (which is what makes this story so much fun), but for now -- until some reputable news outlet (even the Anchorage Daily News, which would be in the best position to get to the root of this story) confirms it, I suspect that the rumors of Sarah Palin as a grandmother are false.

Hope all this helps -- Enjoy the fun.; September 01, 2008 3:33 AM
UUbuntu said...: Anyhow, it's time for me to go to bed. I hate the fact that I love stories like this one (PreggerGate), but it's so irresistible, that I had to spend 3 hours researching it -- to get my mind off of the approaching hurricane and the possibility of the Republicans milking a disaster for all its worth.

Good night all.; September 01, 2008 3:39 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Sarah Palin was FOR earmarks before she was AGAINST them.

From the LA Times:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-earmarks1-2008sep01,0,6108885.story

Palin relied on earmark system she now opposes

From the article:
On Friday, when McCain introduced her as his running mate, she said she "championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending," the legislative technique used to slip projects into appropriations bills without rigorous congressional review.

But under her leadership, the state of Alaska has requested 31 earmarks worth $197.8 million in next year's federal budget, according to the website of Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), the former chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee.

So we can document another Republican flip-flopper.

Mike; September 01, 2008 3:47 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: And some more allegations that she was FOR the Bridge to Nowhere before she was AGAINST the Bridge to Nowhere.

From Reuters:
http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN3125537020080901

Palin "bridge to nowhere" line angers many Alaskans

Among those angered are Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein, a Democrat, and Mike Elerding, a Republican who was Palin's campaign coordinator in the southeast Alaska city.

Flip-flop. Flip-flop. Flip-flop. Flip-flop.

Any bets on how long she will remain on the ticket?

Mike; September 01, 2008 3:54 AM
Karen Anne said...: Leah,

Oh, what a shame about your files.I know there are places who will try to recover data from crashed hard disks, maybe you can try one of those?

I have just a few photos saved, I can email those to you once you have your system back.

I still have my Mom's email to me locked up in a pc with a beta copy of Windows 98 on it that won't let me in as it went past its expiration date. My brother tells me there is some way to remove the hard drive (some ancient type of drive) and read it on a new system, but I haven't gotten up the nerve to look for that yet.

Now I use 4MB flash drives for backup. I tried with a hard drive, but drop those once they're history. With a flash drive, I've heard they can even survive accidentally being washed in a pants pocket; September 01, 2008 5:13 AM

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