Democratic Convention Watch: Open Thread

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Open Thread

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Beryl said...: The Repository (of Canton, Ohio in Stark County) has endorsed Barack Obama. The paper endorsed Bush in 2004. Hopefully it will help turn the state blue. McSame is already slipping in the polls there.

http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=3&subCategoryID=37

Excerpt:
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This is not the John McCain that The Repository endorsed in the 2000 Republican primary over George W. Bush. Then, McCain was unquestionably an independent thinker. We supported him in large part because his spending plan was more conservative than Bush's. The John McCain of 2008 freely admits he has voted with President Bush 90 percent of the time, even to the extent of flip-flopping on the Bush tax cuts he originally opposed as detrimental to the deficit.

The events of the last two weeks have provided another telling contrast between the two candidates. Obama has stressed the need for a bipartisan agreement on a financial bailout and reform package that includes strong accountability measures. McCain has indulged his penchant for drama. He declared that if he were president, he would fire the head of the Securities and Exchange Commission — action that a president doesn't have the authority to take. Then he abruptly refused to debate Obama on Friday — at a time when Americans need to hear directly from both men about their reaction to the financial crisis — but, fortunately, McCain changed his mind again.

We believe that Obama's intellect, caution, levelheadedness and calm demeanor make him better suited to lead a nation that must respond to many unwelcome changes with yet more change. The Repository endorses Sen. Barack Obama for president.
======================; September 28, 2008 6:40 PM
jean said...: beryl,
I agree and I think there are going to be endorsements coming for plenty of pleasant surprises.

I didn't mean to ignore your post but I am a Chargers Fan and while stressful we still won;0

jean; September 28, 2008 7:20 PM
tmess2 said...: I am not sure if Senator Obama will win North Carolina, but it's a worthy state to get any assistance that folks can give it. Besides the Presidential race, it has a key Senate race and a key House race. If we can gain 6 or 7 Senate seats, we will have a much easier time pushing through the Democratic agenda if Senator Obama wins, and will be able to force McCain to compromise if he wins.

Colorado is in roughly the same position as is New Hampshire.; September 28, 2008 7:20 PM
Beryl said...: tmess,
Obama will win Colorado!; September 28, 2008 7:40 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: For those of ya'll that missed these jumps in the dem. registration - here is the link again:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/in_multiple_key_battleground_s.php

Goodin' good ;); September 28, 2008 9:14 PM
Beryl said...: As I said, Colorado will go blue this year! We are busting our butts to make it happen.

"Colorado: Dems Wipe Away Most Of GOP's Advantage.

In this state, which may prove pivotal, Dems have wiped away a once-lopsided GOP advantage, with GOP registration now leading the Dems, 1,029,062 to 955,428 -- a lead of 73,634."; September 28, 2008 9:21 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Indy -

Here you go!!!

Sarah Palin / Miss South Carolina Split Screen on the Bush Doctrine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD9Xu2wN5jg

I thought of your comment when I saw this!; September 28, 2008 9:50 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Lots of good video stuff on this site regarding Palin:

http://theshrillhockeymom.com/

.; September 28, 2008 9:57 PM
jean said...: Today 30 churches officially endorsed McCain.
According to the tax code that is a NO-NO.
I say tax them and go back as far as you can.
Legally and morally that is wrong.
This was on NBC World News tonight.
jean; September 28, 2008 9:58 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Barack in the Virginia Rain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ctgw9VyV_0

.; September 28, 2008 10:16 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: WOW WOW WOW...
That Virginia rally was something!
Obama did great ad libbing about the rain! Best rally in a long time!

Obama Obama Obama Obama...
YES WE CAN - Si Se Puede!
Fired Up and Ready to go and VOTE!; September 28, 2008 10:43 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

can you see McLame or Palin standing in the rain talking to their fellow man. They would melt [ oh I forgot shit floats] HA HA HA AJ

GREAT RALLY!!!!!!; September 28, 2008 11:19 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Here's a bit of BAD news ;(

Very important!!!
Please read:

http://www.truthout.org/article/rfk-jr-and-mike-papantonio-is-your-vote-safe

.; September 28, 2008 11:23 PM
Doug said...: Hey Jean, yes I took SD, and was sweating a bit early! :) Big upset day. Haven't been able to pay as much attention to either this board or football today though--too much "life" intervening lol!

I am still thinking there is a better than 50% chance Sarah will be punted off the ticket either Tuesday or Wednesday this week.; September 29, 2008 12:01 AM
Doug said...: Leah, I really hope that you guys don't allow the election to be stolen again. I think there is a real chance the Rep campaign may collapse between now and the election, but you just never know. Complacency is the big enemy.; September 29, 2008 12:07 AM
Bob in Vancouver said...: tmess2 and beryk:

Me again from beautiful Vancouver on the west coast of Canada.

McCain is toast. I am so pleased that we all went after his VP Pick, Sarah Palin, right from the start. She was a huge mistake and it will be the mian factor that drags McCain's bid for President down the tubes.

Yes, Obama will win Virginia, North Carolina and Colorado.

Did you gals see that article on CNN where stem cell research carried out at Xingzhou China has cured the blindness of an 8 year old girl from Syracus, Missouri? What a break througn. Yet the christian right wants nothing to do with it.; September 29, 2008 12:49 AM
Bob in Vancouver said...: Wasn't it Jesus who cured the blind, walked on water, fed the multitudes and cured the sick. Could it have been that Jesus possessed a far more advanced level of knowledge than mankind had at that time, and it was interpreted to be a miracle?; September 29, 2008 12:53 AM
Kujo said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; September 29, 2008 1:30 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Doug said...
I am still thinking there is a better than 50% chance Sarah will be punted off the ticket either Tuesday or Wednesday this week.

Nate has an article at 538.com explaining why it would be damn near impossible for her to leave the ticket now:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/mccain-is-stuck-with-palin.html#comments

Mike; September 29, 2008 2:32 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: it's another week, wondering what surprises await. so far, the only certainty that I foresee is that the stock market will be "volatile".

Palin can't be booted off the ticket. Losing a VP candidate at this late stage virtually ensures defeat. Of course, Maverick McCain is liable to do anything. At some point, he obviously was no longer demonstrating "flexibility", and moved well into "erratic" territory. He is no longer crazy like a fox. (When was his last brain scan, anyway?)

My fear is that the Maverick has one, last, desperate move in him, and he'll unleash it mid-October, so not quite yet. It took Obama a good four weeks to recover from the Palin buzz, after her nomination.; September 29, 2008 11:03 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Why the Debates Won't Matter (Hint: It's a Felony)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marty-kaplan/why-the-debates-wont-matt_b_130104.html

.
Cheaters!; September 29, 2008 12:38 PM
Doug said...: Hey Mike, the "Stuck with Palin" article is good, but with respect to another change turning the McCain campaign into a "3 ring circus"... it is already there. She will either get pulled tomorrow or Wednesday if it is going to happen. I agree that after the debate on Thursday it will be too late, but before then??; September 29, 2008 12:45 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: ANOTHER Palin Movie Trailer!
This one IS NOT funny like the previous one...

The Palin Presidency (2009) Movie Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN3Z9JSob78; September 29, 2008 12:49 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Well this is interesting... I haven't seen this on the news yet!

Newt: "PALIN is BIG GAMBLE" !! Sarah NOT READY! George Will: "This Was Avoidable" !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luwqRA0GWGc

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If for some reason Obama doesn't win - America is in BIG TROUBLE!; September 29, 2008 12:55 PM
Doug said...: Leah, the article about election fraud you posted is depressing!

What do you think would happen IF on Nov 3 Obama is ahead by 10 points, wins the popular vote in the election, and loses the election with allegations of wide-spread election fraud in a handful of swing states? I shudder to think of it.

I am hoping the wheels completely fall off the McFailin campaign to the extent that Rep voters just stay home.; September 29, 2008 1:00 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Doug-

There is also this link that I posted yesterday:

http://www.truthout.org/article/rfk-jr-and-mike-papantonio-is-your-vote-safe

regarding voters being thrown off of the register rolls.
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I am getting pi$$ed that this stuff is going on!; September 29, 2008 1:42 PM
Doug said...: I saw that one too Leah. It blows my mind that stuff like that can happen. In Canada you can register at the poll if you have two pieces of ID, one of which is government issued photo ID with address.

Any form of democratic government ought to be making every effort to encourage citizens to vote instead of placing roadblocks, and election fraud ought to be one of the most serious of crimes... but I get the impression it is treated as sport in many places in the US.; September 29, 2008 1:57 PM
Joshua said...: I really would hate to see Sarah Palin removed from the McCain ticket. McCain showed bad judgment in putting her there. He also showed no regard for the good of the country. I say: let him sink with her. If she is removed, then his ticket will be improved. Bad.

Should he win with her as VP, then we deserve nothing more. Sarah, please stay on the ticket.; September 29, 2008 2:46 PM
jean said...: Hey doug,
Yep the Chargers did win but it was a nail biter;)
Isn't the market lovely today(just a little sarcasm).
They turned down the bail out plan and are not voting on it again today.
I feel so sorry for people who are retired.
jean; September 29, 2008 3:01 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I would think that McCain just lost a lot of retired folks today with his lack of leadership in getting the republicans to vote YEA on the bailout bill. I think we will be seeing Florida turning dark blue in the very near future.; September 29, 2008 3:08 PM
Doug said...: The Republicans are going to get killed in the discussion about why the vote failed in the House, in a way that is going to wound McCain. The repubs did not live up to their commitment in a bipartisan bill--they put ideology first, not country first.

I hope a question about this comes up in the Veep debate!

Jean, btw, I have taken Baltimore tonight... wish me luck!; September 29, 2008 3:20 PM
Karen Anne said...: Retired people are supposed to keep their savings in safe stuff. The closer one gets to retirement, the safer you're supposed to keep your investments.

I know the advisers' mantra is invest in stocks to keep up with inflation, but were they not paying attention in, say, 2000?

Okay, I have some of my savings in the stock market, and it makes me a bit sick to see what has happened to them this week, but not as sick as I would be if I didn't have most of them in CDs, even if I sometimes calculate how long I can live without running out :-(

Meanwhile, I'm signing up to be a poll worker. My town is forking out $185 for what looks like 16 hours of work plus attending a class about it.

I hope U.S. currency doesn't become worthless...; September 29, 2008 3:40 PM
Joshua said...: Did everyone notice how small minded the Republicans sounded as to why they voted against the bill? Nancy didn’t talk nicely enough in her last speech.

Did you get that? They voted against a bill to spite Pelosi. Fu** the country, vote against Nancy. Amazing statesmanship. I swear, Republicans are Neanderthals and oxygen is wasted on them.

Here’s the amusing part: Republican sure know how to fall in line behind the “talking points.” The House Minority Leader, John Boner (sounds better than Boehner) stated “Nancy made a partisan speech.” Now, every Republican is saying that Pelosi’s last speech was justification to vote against the bill. Amazing.; September 29, 2008 3:53 PM
Doug said...: ...and that is why the Repubs will be skewered in the media. "Pelosi hurt my feelings" is not a reason to not vote for a bill that is trying to keep US credit markets afloat.; September 29, 2008 3:59 PM
Joshua said...: Here is where most people are wrong when they think the bill was a “bail out” for Wall Street “fat cats.” The tax payer is paying nothing (up front). They are simply taking an ownership position is those distressed equities.

For those who don’t understand what that means, here goes: The “government” is you and me. There are more of us than individual investors. Right now there is no confidence in the finance markets. So, no lender is willing to make a loan. Our economy functions on the ability to borrow. If no one can borrow, everything comes to a screeching halt. Get it? When we as a collective take an ownership position we improve the confidence of individual participants, and the economy restarts to hum.

We are not bailing out Wall Street. We are restoring confidence in our economy.; September 29, 2008 4:03 PM
Joshua said...: Karen Anne
“Retired people are supposed to keep their savings in safe stuff. “
What is the safe stuff? Perhaps you did not notice that some banks were threatening to pay 97 cents on the dollar for money markets. Got that?
We are at a crisis and there is no “safe stuff.” The only thing left now are treasuries, and that is paying 1%. Inflation is 3.6%. Do you see a problem there?

I would strongly advise against any “retired” person avoiding exposure to the capital markets. Unless you know exactly when you are going to die and that you know for a fact that you will not outlive your money. Otherwise, you must always remain exposed to the capital markets.; September 29, 2008 4:19 PM
jean said...: doug,
Just for fun I wanted to go against you but I just can't, I really do not like the Steelers.
If I picked the Steelers the husband would of thought I lost it and put me in the mental ward.
Then I couldn't watch the game;0
I am therefore also going with Baltimore.

In reference to retiree's and those close to retirement.
Noone came close to predicting this and almost anyone who is 7 yrs out is caught major in a financial crisis.
One of the biggest crisis is commercial lending which is almost frozen.
The question is if some people are getting a paycheck due to possible frozen credit lines that are used to float inventory etc. for 30 to 60 days that now do not exist.
This is not mismanagement and is common practice especially when a company is expanding.
They are expanding no more.
Retirees homes have lost 20-50% in value of their homes, those going to retiree are now not going to be a retiree for 5-7 years.
Now they have to question if they are going to get a paycheck now.
This trickle down effect has not been seen yet but will show in the next 6 monthes.
Only those on the edge now show,
many more will come.
Things are not even close.
I just got a retiree with 2 million in the bank and just wants to refi rate and term.
This is not a easy loan.
How stupid is that, the mortgage is $500,000 and he wants to keep it that way for liquidity.
jean; September 29, 2008 4:37 PM
Joshua said...: The market is closed so I went and checked my portfolio (I avoid doing that especially when the market is open before I make a rash move). For today, I lost $105,600. This is becoming a nasty habit. Before you know it, we are talking real money. Thanks republicans.; September 29, 2008 4:46 PM
jean said...: america,
I went chicken scared last October,
I have a 401k that offers a 4.5% return (guarenteed and insured), now I have to call what it is in that plan, and I cashed in everything and it is just sitting there in a lump.
Got 2 kids in college in 3 years and just could not risk it.
They are still going to college.
You are a risk taker and best of luck.
jean; September 29, 2008 4:56 PM
Karen Anne said...: Amer,

For the moment, at least, money markets are federally guaranteed. When at 97 cents to the dollar, that is a 3% loss, not a giant catastrophe, although certainly not a happy event.

Vanguard and Schwab have CDs available on their web sites. My credit union has CDs. All around 4%-5% for 2-3 years term. Yes, they depend on FDIC and the credit union equivalent, but I do think if the FDIC runs dry, that Congress will refill. This is a lot easier for taxpayers to understand than the bailout, and it affects many people not the ghostly CEOs.; September 29, 2008 4:57 PM
Karen Anne said...: Jean,

What is your lump in? CDs? Money markets?; September 29, 2008 4:58 PM
Beryl said...: Jean,
I just went chicken after losing $31,000. I'll have to work at least one year if not two to recuperate. So much for early, early retirement.

I'm sitting in "stable funds" (3.4%) and the Credit Union's "executive" checking account (3%).

Anyone buying gold? LOL!; September 29, 2008 5:05 PM
Joshua said...: Jean, thanks.

I certainly wish I had pulled out. But I long discovered that I tend to sell at the wrong time and buy at the wrong time. So I said: heck with it, I am staying in. And I am taking a bath. At this rate there is a strong chance that I will reopen an office in the near future.

I admit that I am not panicked. Not yet anyway.; September 29, 2008 5:07 PM
Joshua said...: Karen,
The main problem with money markets (besides low yield) is that only the first 100K is insured. Unless you open several brokerage accounts. But if you are in equities, your only risk is the market.; September 29, 2008 5:09 PM
Doug said...: Beryl: there are lots of people buying gold... it is back up to 918/oz up considerably on the day.

Jean: I have kids going to university in a couple of years too, with their college funds fully invested. When we see times like today it is hard not to feel a bit panicky, but markets have always corrected in the past (even the Great Depression) if you just hang in you will be ok.

Am1st... most people underperform the market or even mutual funds averages because it is so difficult to time getting in/out. Hang in there!; September 29, 2008 5:16 PM
Joshua said...: Doug, thank. I am not going anywhere.
Actually, now is the time to buy if you have any cash left. That is also why now is a good time for the government to buy some of those distressed assets. There is good chance that in 5 years (the government’s time horizon), they will be worth more than today and we will get most of our $700 billion back.; September 29, 2008 5:22 PM
jean said...: beryl,
My lump is in Stable funds at 5.5% and yes I know it is high but it is my prior companys perk.
I will not do moneymarkets, already lost.
On line 3.5% savings account, also check out capital one , it is the same and also insured.
I do think it is going to be worse in the next 6 months.
I am a chicken **** but I can sleep;)

jean; September 29, 2008 5:27 PM
jean said...: doug,
I agree, but I am very unsure in the timeline.
I do not mess with the kids stuff,
they are my most precious asset.
jean; September 29, 2008 5:29 PM
tmess2 said...: While we are sitting here today seeing Republicans in the House flush or economy down the drain, aren't we coming up on the time for the second round of predictions on the election? Does anyone have the list as it currently stands?; September 29, 2008 5:31 PM
Doug said...: Ok, I know that this is a US forum but I do have to say there is an election going on in Canada right now. I just tuned into a Canadian news show, and the Conservative talking head just said the fatal words...

"THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE ECONOMY ARE SOUND"

Channeling McCain can't be a winning formula???? LOL; September 29, 2008 5:51 PM
suzihussein22 said...: doug-Why don't they just say inconceivable while they're at it? lol :)

I gleaned this little gem from Yahoo-

Republican John McCain has taken credit for helping broker a deal_even though he never sat in on congressional negotiations and is not a member of the Banking Committee.

I saw on the front page of DCW that McCain tried to make it sound like it passed. I heard the news @3 p.m. It's not a good time for that kind of phone call either, on top of a couple of other things. :(; September 29, 2008 6:23 PM
Karen Anne said...: "The main problem with money markets (besides low yield) is that only the first 100K is insured."

That I did not know, thanks.

I am careful to watch the FDIC limits on CDs.; September 29, 2008 6:23 PM
Karen Anne said...: The Times is saying about Wachovia "The sale would further concentrate Americans’ bank deposits in the hands of just three banks: Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase and Citigroup."

What about all the local banks?; September 29, 2008 6:26 PM
Beryl said...: Just looked at polls at Real Clear Politics and it is very positive:

Obama 301
McCain 237

The battleground states are going towards Obama but I was especially impressed with West Virginia which has gone from Solid McCain to leaning McCain.; September 29, 2008 6:26 PM
suzihussein22 said...: I'm glad I'm not superstitious-

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5909391; September 29, 2008 6:26 PM
Karen Anne said...: "The main problem with money markets (besides low yield) is that only the first 100K is insured."

Now I'm a bit confused. I just read the gov documents that Schwab has on its web site about this, and they do not mention a limit.

Are we confusing two things? I am talking about money markets at brokerage firms. Maybe you are talking about money markets at banks protected by the FDIC?; September 29, 2008 7:05 PM
Joshua said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; September 29, 2008 8:00 PM
Joshua said...: Karen,
Any deposit in a regular bank is insured by the FDIC at 100K per depositor. It doesn’t matter in how many different accounts in that bank. And it doesn’t matter how many different instruments.

For brokerage accounts, the assets are insured by the SIPC. And only the money market is insured. And only the first 100K. That insurance is if the broker goes belly up.

Any other security you hold with a broker is only insured by private insurance that SEC makes the broker buy. Many brokers insure the first $5 million of your assets against fraud within the brokerage. There is absolutely no insurance against market losses due to poor performance of the asset in which you put your money.

That is how I remember it. I haven’t checked this in years. But I was clear about this. That is why I always get nervous when I sell stock and my money is in cash before I buy another stock. BTW, it takes 3 days from when you sell a stock to when you can actually get your hands on the cash. So, if you sold 1000 shares of spyder, you better hope that the broker remains solvent for the next 3 days.; September 29, 2008 8:02 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Anybody want to digg this?-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29/latest-palin-gaffe-cant-n_n_130395.html

Another excerpt coming out of Couric's interview is that Palin couldn't name another Supreme Court case besides Roe v. Wade. Can we afford any more dumbing down of America, especially since she's trying to be a role model for females? YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS S@@T UP! She was head of a PTA and couldn't even come up with Brown v. BOE.; September 29, 2008 8:09 PM
Joshua said...: Suzi,
The culture in America is to sneer at intelligence and embrace mediocrity. I think that almost every American is guilty of this. Think back to when you were in high school. Who were the popular kids? If any kid was smart and did his homework, wasn’t he called a nerd?

The amazing part is that we have managed to remain a superpower. But we are soon going to dismantle this. The people who make America great are immigrants. But the republicans are going to close the door on them if they have anything to say about it. Think about the last 10 Nobel Prize winners. How many of them were born here? Think about what makes us a superpower. From where did the scientists come?; September 29, 2008 8:31 PM
suzihussein22 said...: amer1st-BTW, greetings. To a large extent, kids that do their homework are called nerds. I wasn't. I got along with most of the groups, except hard core druggies in East Nashville. I will have to say also that my son is a nerd, is officially gifted, is popular, has played sports, and just got a perfect score on the science part of his standardized tests. That last part is just a "little bit" of parental bragging. :); September 29, 2008 8:41 PM
jean said...: americafirst,
That is a pretty massive generalization and you may need to talk to someone about that.
My son and daughter are not slouches but they do honors and sports and have a massive VARIETY of friends.
With all they are in they go out rarely because THEY ARE TIRED.
They are diversified and well liked from black,white,mexican,samoan,druggy,
nerd,jock and the list goes on.
My kids are smart NOT GIFTED, only 1% of the population is.
(Suzi, congrads and good luck;)
And if I remember correctly, I may be off, 52% of the scientist working on the atom smasher in europe are from the USA.
Scientist from all over the world are working on that and we do not have 52% of the population.
I really think things are more balanced now compared to the dark ages when I went to school:)

Your reference to the immigration I feel is 100% correct.
jean; September 29, 2008 9:07 PM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Karen, on your banking question....

Most smaller, regional banks are sound. They don't get in the habit of buying up mortgages or getting over extending.

And besides the 3 you listed, Wells Fargo is supposed to be one of the 4 still standing of the large bank chains when this crisis is over.; September 29, 2008 9:28 PM
suzihussein22 said...: jean-Thanks. The congrads made me think of an episode of Three's Company. Since Chrissy only had so much room on a banner for Jack, she had it printed Congraduations! I thought that was pretty clever for a blonde. ;) levity It's really needed right now.; September 29, 2008 9:32 PM
Karen Anne said...: Amer,

We are talking about two different things. I was talking about the new federal temporary guarantee for money market funds. Note that brokerages have to opt in to that. So far Schwab has, Vanguard has not.

Also, the SIPC insures the first $500,000 of stuff in a brokerage account, but, as you noted, only $100,000 of cash in it.; September 29, 2008 9:38 PM
jean said...: suzi,
I agree that Levity is VERY important.
By the way, I just told the son to turn on the light while he was studying, he just informed me not to worry, he was Batman.
So now I can add Batman to the son's accomplishments:)
Oh yea, it is football and cocktail hour. Levity.
jean; September 29, 2008 9:40 PM
Kujo said...: SIPC insures brokerage accounts up to 500K.; September 29, 2008 9:42 PM
suzihussein22 said...: jean-Yep. My son is a monkey king. ;) He picked up on the spinning staff really fast. As long as he still thinks I can take him down in wrestling and karate. ;) He's also setting up a webcast with a stop-action video, learning how to play a guitar, you know what I mean. My daughter is absorbing the clarinet, reading up a dervish, and gets As with just a little bit more effort than her big brother. It's all relative, yet not generalizing.

It's our own fault if we continue to let our society become a fad culture instead of an academic culture.; September 29, 2008 9:55 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Paul Newman passed away this past weekend. I haven't watched a lot of the classics, but this caught my eye. This is what he had to say about a long term relationship, which I think should be true for everybody. It's been almost 13 years for Mike and me-

"Why go out for a hamburger when you can have steak at home".

If you're vegetarian, you could always substitute cubed tofu and silky soy. ;); September 29, 2008 10:10 PM
jean said...: Suzi,
Boy are we off topic LOL.
But honestly this is very important for what we want to happen for kids in general through support of the next presidency.

Unfortunately the son just turned 15 and is almost 6'2" and 158lbs(HE GAINED WEIGHT) and I will never win in wrestling again.
I can still put the fear of god in him so I am good:)
He is also a good son.
He is also a readaholic that has to be watched continuously.
jean; September 29, 2008 10:11 PM
jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; September 29, 2008 10:26 PM
suzihussein22 said...: jean-Yeah, just a little, but you understand. lol

What does this generation have to aspire to if we don't have a backbone to defend them on the national scene? Even I doubt I'll have any of my Soc. Sec. taxes come back to me when I turn 67. My son has a lot of questions about this election. I answer them as objectively and as knowledgeably as I can. Obama's daughters aren't much younger than my children. I think he's very likely to keep that in mind when considering how he votes and the positions he takes, depending on the feedback of his constituents of IL.

BTW, I hear Congress actually got emails and phone calls from their constituents. It's about time. I apologized several months ago about nagging my "representative lawmaker".; September 29, 2008 10:27 PM
suzihussein22 said...: jean-Wow. I love his lime salsa. :); September 29, 2008 10:29 PM
jean said...: susi,
The husband and I are going on 19yrs next month.
Guess what, he cooks better than I do;)
jean; September 29, 2008 10:35 PM
suzihussein22 said...: jean-My Mike took over the cooking when he couldn't keep up with the kids. He did surprisingly good, especially since he didn't quite have that eye in the back of his head. ;) That especially came in handy when there were 4 kids in the house for almost a year.; September 29, 2008 10:39 PM
jean said...: suzi,
I have a feeling that all of their voice mails are full.
If this is not done tomorrow it could get really bad on the stock market.

jean; September 29, 2008 10:39 PM
suzihussein22 said...: jean-Have you seen the reports coming out of Asia, Australia, and New Zealand? They're dropping like stones. A young college student stated to Mike that it wouldn't matter to her. So, he proceeded to explain to her, an employee at an ice cream store, that when people couldn't afford to buy beyond the necessities, her hours would be cut at the very least. It's the economy, after all.; September 29, 2008 10:55 PM
jean said...: suzi,
Today was the biggest drop ever on the New York Stock Exchange and Nasdaq was actually worse.
If there is no decision tomorrow I just cannot fathom what can happen.
Commercial credit lines are basically frozen.
This is not just a bounce back later if a decision is not made tomorrow on the bail out.
Banks right now do not want to fund loans, that includes Wells Fargo, Citi, etc. The guys who are in better shape than the rest.
I told you it was cocktail hour.
The Repubs need to get their head out of their behind.
Our economy does lead the world whether we like it or not.
jean; September 29, 2008 11:07 PM
suzihussein22 said...: jean-Yeah, our standing will not trickle back up or down any time soon.; September 29, 2008 11:15 PM
jean said...: suzi,
If they would release and agree upon 400billion now and say more will come by Wed only because they are looking for the proper distribution or some bullcrap it could stop a very BAD thing.
This needs to be done by the opening of the markets tomorrow.
I do not have much faith with the Repubs.
jean; September 29, 2008 11:21 PM
suzihussein22 said...: jean-No, not if the Repugnants continue to say their feelings got hurt by a speech.; September 29, 2008 11:29 PM
suzihussein22 said...: To the cute little pug doggies-I didn't mean you guys when using another term for certain good ol' boys on the Hill. :); September 29, 2008 11:36 PM
jean said...: suzi,
They are in charge of the verbage of the bail out and they have a fit over a speech.
I will be honest she is not one of my favorites, but this is insane.
My kid could get more done than the frigging repubs.
My son reads this periodically and other than the **** I try to use correct terms lol.
jean; September 29, 2008 11:55 PM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; September 30, 2008 12:12 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Suz

speaking of 3's a crowd. I went with John Ridder a long time ago. We dated for about 6 months then drifted apart. Don't know why because he was such a nice guy and we got along great.

I oftened wondered if he would have remembered me. AJ; September 30, 2008 12:51 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: changing the subject a bit, back to the couric interviews: for pete's sake, she should have been able to name at LEAST Bush v Gore 2000. am I to understand that CBS isn't going to air these videos?; September 30, 2008 12:53 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Vicki

I doubt it. AJ; September 30, 2008 12:55 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Current word is that the House will vote again on Thursday. Here's what the Dems need to do -

Figure out how many D votes there are for the bill (I heard this time Pelosi and Dem leaders determined they had 140 votes, and that was right on the mark). The they need to go to Boner and tell him we need 80 Rep votes. If he says he has them, then go to vote.

HOWEVER

To make sure the Repigs didn't lie, every Democrat votes 'Present' or doesn't vote until at least 80 Repigs have voted for the bill. If 80 don't vote for the bill, then it won't pass, not because the Dems voted it down, but because the Repigs didn't keep their word, and it would show on the vote tally that the Repigs voted against it.

Risky to an extent, but it would force to Repigs to give their word, and then KEEP their word for a change.

Mike; September 30, 2008 1:19 AM
jean said...: Here you go.

This is Palin's foreign policy experience:)
Nice view.

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/you-can-see-russia-from-here/

jean; September 30, 2008 12:19 PM
jean said...: And just to let you know.
It is the DEMS fault the bail out was not passed.
You didn't know that did you;)

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/30/bailout.candidates/index.html

jean; September 30, 2008 12:21 PM
Doug said...: Hey Jean, better day today? Or are you seeing things tightening up lending-wise?

I have friends going house hunting this weekend near Stockton and they will have a mortgage broker and a realtor with them.

As for Baltimore last night... jeez they gave the game away after a very good 1st half. Flacco showed he was a rookie last night, just like Palin is going to demonstrate on Thursday.; September 30, 2008 1:36 PM
jean said...: Florida is now in play.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html
Better polls today.
jean; September 30, 2008 1:42 PM
jean said...: doug,
Doing good.
The game last night, I guess the Christmas presents were given out early:)
Lending is tightening.
End of the month fundings are quite stressing.
Warehouse lines really do not want to do it.
Goodluck to your friends.
As always, the more down the better.
It is the MI companys who are doing the major clamp on purchases.
jean; September 30, 2008 1:46 PM
Doug said...: Jean, I saw that Florida poll too--looking good!

I have noticed that there is an emerging "don't you just feel sorry for Sarah" tone emerging. Here is a good feminist perspective on Sarah Palin:

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/09/30/palin_pity/; September 30, 2008 2:22 PM
jean said...: doug,
Nice article.
Forwarded to more than a few.
Palin does just embarress me as a woman.
All I can think of is "post-turtles";)
jean; September 30, 2008 2:38 PM
jean said...: Here is some info on credit crunch.
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1845818,00.html?cnn=yes; September 30, 2008 2:43 PM
jean said...: doug,
Off topic.
Surprised?

http://www.10news.com/sports/17591161/detail.html

A list needs to be started who has NOT been fired by the Raiders.
jean; September 30, 2008 3:00 PM
Beryl said...: From the Obama Campaign:
-------------------------------
Dear friends,

Great news! The Obama campaign now has a new way for people of faith to show your support for Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

Please check out our new Letter to the Editor tool for people of faith. In a few quick and easy steps online, you can write your local newspaper and share why you, as a person of faith and values, support Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/speakout/faithletter

For too long the debate over religion and politics in our country has been dominated by extreme voices and partisan politics. Barack believes that Americans are tired of religion being used to divide us, and are ready for a president who can bring us together.; September 30, 2008 3:06 PM
Doug said...: Hey Jean, great article that explains how the credit tightening is spreading through the economy. It makes sense that it affects businesses and individuals 'at the margin' in terms of credit scores first, but as lenders tighten up the group 'at the margin' gets larger and larger.

As for Kiffen, well, that was pretty much inevitable. Al Davis wants to get to the playoffs and doesn't have the time or patience needed to build a successful program.; September 30, 2008 3:16 PM
Doug said...: Here is another indicator of the credit markets tightening up globally:

http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2008/09/30/libor-record.html

An overnight lending rate of almost 7% has to be a historical record.; September 30, 2008 3:22 PM
Beryl said...: My goodness! This is a first!

GW/Battleground Tracking Obama 48, McCain 46 Obama +2; September 30, 2008 3:22 PM
jean said...: beryl,
I wrote a post prior and then thought I looked nuts and deleted it.
No comments on the nuts please.
Does Battleground hate dems, Obama, or what?
jean; September 30, 2008 3:31 PM
jean said...: doug,
Remember what I mentioned about the warehouse lines not wanting to fund.
Now you know why.
jean; September 30, 2008 3:33 PM
Doug said...: Jean I have wondered the same thing. Here is their description of the poll:

This bipartisan GW-Battleground 2008 Poll surveyed 1,000 registered likely voters nationwide Jan. 8-11, 2007, and yields a margin of error of ± 3.1 percent.

First conducted in 1991, the GW-Battleground Poll has accurately portrayed the political climate through four presidential and three mid-term election cycles. The poll continues to be an in-depth bipartisan look at the political climate and a leader in setting the standards for polling. This nationally recognized series of scientific surveys is unique to the industry, in that it offers the distinct perspectives of two top pollsters from different sides of the aisle. The George Washington University is the sponsor of the GW-Battleground Poll, a highly regarded, bipartisan election survey conducted by top polling firms Lake Research Partners and The Tarrance Group.

The University's role in the poll is guided by its Graduate School of Political Management. GW's public affairs, public policy, and international affairs programs (undergraduate and graduate) are frequently ranked highly in leading publications, including recognition among the Top 10 "Most Politically Active" colleges and universities in the 2007 Princeton Review and as the "Hottest School for Political Junkies," according to the 2005 Kaplan/Newsweek How to Get Into College guide. The George Washington University also is one of the nation's best schools in fostering social responsibility and public service, according to the Princeton Review and Washington Monthly, which both included the University among its top-rated schools for community service in 2005.

From:
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20070117005534&newsLang=en

I haven't seen commentary on the GW Poll, but there is probably something out there that analyzes why their results seem out of step with results from Gallup/Rassmussen, etc.

Perhaps their survey frame (registered likely voters) that is derived from past election cycles underestimates the changes in voter registration and party affiliation?; September 30, 2008 3:41 PM
Beryl said...: I'm fine with the GW/Battleground because it tells me what it may REALLY be and makes us work harder.

The good news is that even their poll has Obama is up so that may mean that he will win!; September 30, 2008 3:47 PM
Karen Anne said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; September 30, 2008 3:51 PM
Karen Anne said...: The Sarah Palin Baby Name Generator site has been shut down.

I wonder if this has been done by the people cleaning various other Palin stuff off the Internet.

Google owns youtube and blogger both. Paranoia lives. But google certainly has been willing to be evil before.; September 30, 2008 3:52 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Palin is LYING again...

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4490056n

She could not have been watching Biden's speeches since she was in 2nd grade.

There was no cable TV back then and no C-SPAN... and besides what person in their right mind can remember watching any speech of a senator from when they were so young?

It ain't like being young and watching the JFK funneral - most everyone remembers that.

But NOT Biden speeches from the 70s ... GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

I hope the media calls her out on this - bigtime!; September 30, 2008 4:02 PM
tmess2 said...: GW/Battleground apparently does not weight by age and only uses land-lines. Not too surprisingly, their cross-tab on age of respondents shows a very high percentage of voters over 45 and a very low percentage of voters under 45 compared to the 2004 election (much less census figures). Given that younger voters have been more favorable to Obama at a statistically significant level, this failure to weight by age is almost certainly skewing the results.; September 30, 2008 4:25 PM
tmess2 said...: umm Leah, I think the Palin people meant it as a joking exaggeration. Of course, if they are going to joke about the age of our VP pick what does that say about the age of McCain?; September 30, 2008 4:27 PM
Doug said...: Thanks tmess, very helpful!; September 30, 2008 4:57 PM
Doug said...: Here is another good summary of the financial crisis/analysis of credit markets:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0fa9d526-8eec-11dd-946c-0000779fd18c.html?nclick_check=1; September 30, 2008 4:58 PM
jean said...: tmess2,
So to clarify Battleground is a old people poll(I just fit in the demographic)
with only land lines and want to bet that home ownership is over
75%.
I guess McCain is in a world of hurt:)

Is anyone doing pole turtles for the vp debate?
Levity
jean; September 30, 2008 5:15 PM
Doug said...: Re: GW/Battleground poll, there is a good discussion of it at

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/whats-wrong-with-battleground-poll.html

but it comes down to the age distribution primarily as tmess says!; September 30, 2008 5:26 PM
jean said...: I have been talking to a lot of people in my industry and everyone kept saying that Wachovia was not taken over by the FDIC but guess who has officially brokered the deal.
How close do you think Wachovia was to be taken over??????????

http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/30/news/economy/fdic_limits/index.htm?cnn=yes
jean; September 30, 2008 5:26 PM
jean said...: doug,
So it is a old people poll?
Am I over simplifying?
jean; September 30, 2008 5:29 PM
Doug said...: Hi Jean, re: Wachovia and FDIC--I think the FDIC wants to keep its decks as clear as possible given the number of banks that may be on the brink. Finding a dance partner for Wachovia and conserving its own resources was a much better option.

It seems that for both WaMu and Wachovia shareholders paid the price for the takeover. Makes you wonder about the other banks stocks in your mutual fund/portfolio...; September 30, 2008 5:34 PM
Doug said...: Re: the GW poll, they oversample old people and undersample young people. As tmess said, the differences in voting patterns between the age groups means that the results aren't accurate.

But yeah, you could just say it is an old people's poll! :); September 30, 2008 5:37 PM
tmess2 said...: I was basically summarizing the 538. Unfortunately, with all the data sources this election, I have trouble remembering where I pick up certain information.; September 30, 2008 5:37 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL - Jean, I think you pretty much got the gist of it, you old fart you. LOL - :)

OF COURSE I'M KIDDING!; September 30, 2008 6:00 PM
jean said...: Indy,
I am at the beginning of the curve,
thank you very much.
My daughter says I am the youngest looking mom from all her friends.
Yes, that can go either way.
My daughter is smart:)
jean; September 30, 2008 6:59 PM
Doug said...: Some new polls out:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

Obama +6 in Virginia!; September 30, 2008 7:00 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Jean - She must be very smart.

I'm not sure if anyone else has seen this yet, but video of McShrub calling for the Iraq war has shown up from November, 2001. Yes, two months after we were attacked.; September 30, 2008 7:19 PM
Independent Voter said...: Can ANYONE please explain to me why these "news" shows (Hardball, KO, RM, MTP, etc.....) have to go to commercial, come back to say "we'll be right back" and immediately go off to commercial again? I mean they literally come back from break to say "stay tuned, we'll be right back with more....fill in the blank."

It makes absolutely ZERO sense....just stay at break until it's time to come back. Give the "pundit" TIME to at least go take a leak.; September 30, 2008 7:26 PM
jean said...: I know this is not scientific and goes against statistics without taking all the info.
I feel that it is safe to say that the Battleground Polls are severely bias.
When looking at their polls, and Obama is up, it is pretty big.
Without cells and people under 45
being polled for a fair average we are missing a large group of voters for Obama.
tmess2 said he was summarizing 538 which the info is appreciated.
To be super conservative it is a happy day.
With the Bradley effect and all the other stuff, Battleground may
be the poll to watch. On the safe side.
I am going with Doug and saying the old people's poll.
It now is on you doug.
Remember I really care;)
I am also still with the New Deal.
jean; September 30, 2008 7:29 PM
jean said...: Indy,
MONEY.
It will get worse as we get closer to the election.
Levity.
jean; September 30, 2008 7:32 PM
Beryl said...: "With the Bradley effect and all the other stuff, Battleground may
be the poll to watch. On the safe side."

That is what I was saying, Jean. Right now Battleground has Obama up by 2 and that makes me feel pretty good.; September 30, 2008 7:46 PM
jean said...: beryl,
Yes you did.
Good Call.
Just got a bit over evaluated.
Are you doing any turtle poles?
jean; September 30, 2008 8:04 PM
Beryl said...: Turtle poles?; September 30, 2008 8:07 PM
Independent Voter said...: Beryl, it was regarding the joke that was posted last week:

"While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75-year old Texas rancher whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Sarah Palin and her bid to be a heartbeat away from being President .

The old rancher said, ‘Well, ya know, Palin is a post turtle.’

Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a post turtle was. The old rancher said, ‘When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a post turtle.’

The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor’s face, so he continued to explain. ‘You know she didn’t get up there by herself, she doesn’t belong up there, she doesn’t know what to do while she is up there, and you just wonder what kind of dumb *** put her up there to begin with."; September 30, 2008 8:09 PM
jean said...: beryl,
The story about the guy who cut his hand and said Palin was like a turtle on a pole...............
Am I going to have to go back and find the joke?
jean; September 30, 2008 8:10 PM
jean said...: Indy,
THANK YOU.
Fixing dinner;)
jean

Sorry Beryl,
I guess it really stuck in my mind.
jean; September 30, 2008 8:12 PM
Beryl said...: LOL! I think I posted that joke!; September 30, 2008 8:23 PM
jean said...: beryl,
Totally unfair.
I have teenagers and ...... you got me good.
LOL.
jean; September 30, 2008 8:26 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Beryl! DOH!; September 30, 2008 8:26 PM
Beryl said...: But the woman can't name a single newspaper. Sad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y; September 30, 2008 8:30 PM
Independent Voter said...: UGH! Beryl. I can't take it anymore! I really wish that woman would just pack up her toys (McShrub) and go the hell home and STAY there!

My head hurts every time I see her face let alone hear her speak!

Bob in Vancouver, I hope you are ready to adopt a couple guys....LOL! That is if this country doesn't get it right this time!; September 30, 2008 8:42 PM
Doug said...: Ok, I just heard Keith O speculating on MSNBC about Sarah stepping down tomorrow with some kind of "family crisis"... if she is still on the ticket by tomorrow night I won't mention it again, but I still think there is a chance she will get pulled!; September 30, 2008 9:05 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: I'm so glad we haven't forgotten the pole turtles ... I have this urge to go get a few plastic turtles to put on fence posts in the yard for Thursday night.; September 30, 2008 9:09 PM
Doug said...: Isn't there someone who can photoshop a post, a turtle, and Sarah's face? I would buy a Tshirt with that picture!; September 30, 2008 9:21 PM
Beryl said...: What do you think the Repigs are planning in October?

A war?
An attack?
Capture Bin Laden?; September 30, 2008 9:31 PM
jean said...: Larry King Live CNN
Gotta watch.
All about Palin.
jean; September 30, 2008 9:32 PM
Independent Voter said...: jean - NOW you tell us - 1/2 an hour into the show? What's up with that?; September 30, 2008 9:50 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Yep, guys, those turtles are the only ones that got Bugs too. Heck, Bugs is more clever than Failin' Palin and McAin't ticket. Where's Mel Blanc when you need him?

jean-I was also saddened when Ritter passed away.

What I've been hearing recently have been the most decent questions Couric has asked lately. I think it's quite ironic that nobody brings up Palin at work. She's not even rating water cooler talk. :); September 30, 2008 9:51 PM
jean said...: indy,
I was late also,
OK.
I told you, I was cooking dinner.
jean; September 30, 2008 10:04 PM
Independent Voter said...: I'm not real good with photoshop, but something close enough for now close enough for now.; September 30, 2008 10:07 PM
Independent Voter said...: Thanks jean - so disappointing....LOL! I will set the DVR for the 9pm replay :); September 30, 2008 10:12 PM
suzihussein22 said...: jean-What were we saying about getting in touch with Congress?-

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/30/congress.website/index.html?eref=rss_politics&iref=polticker; September 30, 2008 10:14 PM
Independent Voter said...: Oh MY! I normally don't care too much for Jimmy Kimmel, but you guys have got to watch Palin's Biography. It would be funny, if it didn't seem to be so true.; September 30, 2008 10:19 PM
tmess2 said...: Post Turtles is a somewhat old concept -- snopes has a link on em.
First time that I heard it was in a closing argument at trial where the attorney used the post turtle as an example of circumstantial evidence.; September 30, 2008 10:33 PM
suzihussein22 said...: iv dave-So what's up in moose country? ;)

A maverick is supposed to be someone who shows independent thought and does things their own way. The last time I saw a maverick was that movie starring James Garner. :); September 30, 2008 10:36 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL soft - I don't know what's up in moose country - we don't have them here in San Diego - at least I don't think we do. Do we Jean?

Soft - I like to take the FIRST definition of "maverick" when talking about Stalin...er...I mean Palin.

According to American Heritage 1. An unbranded range animal, especially a calf that has become separated from its mother, traditionally considered the property of the first person who brands it.; September 30, 2008 10:47 PM
jean said...: suzi,
I have always thought Ritter was a class act and good at his craft.
That is too funny about the e-mail Blasts.

Indy,
You will at least see it at 9pm and I did enjoy your art work.
In reference to moose, it always depends on the brand of vodka and how many, I have already said too much.

tmess2,
I know it is old but I will always see Palin as a Turtle on a Post.

Have a good night all.
jean; September 30, 2008 11:04 PM
suzihussein22 said...: iv dave-At this point, that's just too easy to pin on her. Besides, I'm green at the range riding thang. ;) It's pathetic how unprepared she is to be one of the leaders of our country. There's even a top 10 on HuffPo of excuses she can use to skip out on Biden and us. I say it would be because she's field dressing a moose she hit on the way.; September 30, 2008 11:08 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Jean - can't say too much....not here! You're among friends ;) Speaking of alcohol......I'm going out. I need a beer! - NO it's not real beer. It's MGD (Miller Genuine Draft). I don't like the heavy stuff like Guinness or Sam Adams or any of that dark beer.; September 30, 2008 11:09 PM
Independent Voter said...: Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama
O and Joe '08; September 30, 2008 11:10 PM
Doug said...: IV--ROTFL way to go, I love the graphic!; September 30, 2008 11:11 PM
suzihussein22 said...: iv dave-Good photo to start with. I'm glad a beer didn't slow you down when it comes to the top of a page. :)

Got Moose=McCain/Palin

Got Economy=Obama/Biden; September 30, 2008 11:13 PM
suzihussein22 said...: In honor of turtles-

http://media.photobucket.com/image/turtle/NanaMayo/PostTurtle.jpg?o=45

http://media.photobucket.com/image/turtle/Cookiebelle/posturtle.jpg?o=42

I didn't tinyurl. It's been a long week already. :P Night, folks.; September 30, 2008 11:18 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL soft!

McShrub was talking about "re-suspending" his campaign this morning, (but wouldn't that mean that he would have had to suspend it before?)

This "new" suspension would more than likely be his "excuse" for having her skip the debate on Thursday. Unless he kicks her off the ticket, there is absolutely NO way she can skip the debate.

I do have the feeling that by putting her out there with Couric, they are trying to portray her as a total idiot so that the bar is set so low, that she wins by simply showing up (after all, these idiots voted for Shrub twice.) I hope that the Obama/Biden campaign are taking this "possible tactic" into account.; September 30, 2008 11:19 PM
26376 said...: Is there a place where we can collect sample ballots? I'm interested to see what different voters see.

Here's mine (PDF).; September 30, 2008 11:28 PM
tmess2 said...: Right now the Senate is supposed to vote Wednesday night. I can see the wheels turning in McCain's headquarters trying to delay the vote in an effort to force Biden to either miss the vote or ask to reschedule the debate. Not that the McCain vote would EVER put politics before country (except 100 times a day).; September 30, 2008 11:28 PM
Doug said...: There you go Suzi, excellent!; September 30, 2008 11:31 PM
Independent Voter said...: Soft - Thank you for the photos. Here is a NON-cartoon Palin on a post pic.; October 01, 2008 12:00 AM
Independent Voter said...: 26376 - Here is what the ballot looks like for my area; October 01, 2008 12:07 AM
Independent Voter said...: Your second pic there soft was good!; October 01, 2008 12:17 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Everyone knows Faux News bills itself as 'Fair and Balanced'.

It's a good thing they don't bill themselves as 'Honest' or 'Factual' ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTkqosRiyYo

Mike; October 01, 2008 12:29 AM
Independent Voter said...: ROFLMAO Mike - that is hilarious. Did you see that woman in the background grab her husband/bf/screw partner/whatever when he started to raise his hand for McShrub?; October 01, 2008 12:38 AM
Beryl said...: Mike in Maryland
That clip was hilarious. I didn't see one person put up their hand and leave it up for McCain!

Fair and balanced? Pulease!; October 01, 2008 12:53 AM
Independent Voter said...: WOW! Check out this VIDEO

Look on the right side of the video player for "Economic Bill Failure". McShrub CLEARLY states that he has always aspired to be dictator.; October 01, 2008 2:13 AM
Independent Voter said...: If you are offended by strong language, I suggest going past this post, because I am on one hell of a rant right now! I'm really pissed!

WTF does Congress think they are doing? The Senate is supposed to be voting on the bill tomorrow (well today) but they have "revised" the measure. They are now including additional tax cuts to get more Republicans to vote for it when they return on Thursday.

What the fuck! Aren't the Democrats supposed to be the ones that support Pay As You GO legislation? How in the hell do they think they are going to pay for this fucking bailout!

Here is the article I read about them granting additional tax cuts.; October 01, 2008 3:20 AM
Karen Anne said...: iv,

There wasn't tax cut info in that link, that I could find, but according to the Times, tax cut stuff includes fixing the AMT and solar energy credits. I'm for that.

As to paying for it, if Obama gets elected, the hundreds of billions a year going down the drain in Iraq will hopefully soon end, and his tax plan will increase taxes on the wealthy a lot.; October 01, 2008 7:35 AM
NJ4Obama said...: Palin's joke about Biden's age:
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/09/30/palins_joke_about_biden_backfires.html; October 01, 2008 8:17 AM
NJ4Obama said...: Oh and this was a great video of the McCains 13 bedroom house for sale http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/30/dnt.mccain.house.for.sale.ktvx
One down. . .; October 01, 2008 8:32 AM
Karen Anne said...: "Sen. Christopher Dodd said "the Senate would vote on raising the FDIC limit to $250,000 from $100,000 for one year."

Well, thanks for nothing. You couldn't even buy a CD of any reasonable term with that.; October 01, 2008 9:37 AM
Independent Voter said...: KA - Now I'm really irritated. But at this point I'm not sure at who. LOL!

They changed the story overnight. I don't know if the Senate changed the wording overnight or if the media has changed it. UGH! If they are simply fixing the AMT, fine, but if they are granting further tax cuts to the uberwealthy - then I'm really pissed.....LOL!

What pisses me off the most is that we (Bill and I) are taxed more than our heterosexual counterparts because we have to file single. This is true even if Prop 8 (in CA) doesn't pass because it only affects CA on an individual state level and not on a federal level.; October 01, 2008 10:08 AM
jean said...: Be Happy.
LOOK AT THE POLLS.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html
This is a great day;)
jean; October 01, 2008 10:26 AM
jean said...: Ok please do not forget to check the electorial map on RealClearPolitics.
The changes are huge.
Everyone should be having a good day today.
Of course, not McCain;)
jean; October 01, 2008 10:32 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: well, if McCain is gonna do something to prevent the debate tomorrow night, he has less than 48 hours to do it in.

btw, I swear I saw a "news flash" bulliten at the top of the screen at cnn.com that said, "commanders in Afghanistan request more troops ASAP" or something to that effect. But it's gone now. maybe it was msnbc.com (doesn't seem to be there either, though). but I swear I just saw it.; October 01, 2008 10:37 AM
jean said...: vicki,
Yes I am excited.
did you look at the polls?
jean; October 01, 2008 10:39 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: found it! cbs news ... I scan a bunch of them every morning:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/01/world/main4491358.shtml; October 01, 2008 10:39 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: yes, jean, I *did* see the polls! I may have to do my happy dance here shortly!

:-)

btw, decided that I need an avatar!; October 01, 2008 10:43 AM
jean said...: Yep, definitely a happy dance kind of day:)
jean; October 01, 2008 10:46 AM
Karen Anne said...: "What pisses me off the most is that we (Bill and I) are taxed more than our heterosexual counterparts because we have to file single."

The FDIC insurance always ticks me off because I can open one account in a bank, unlike a married couple, who get three insured.; October 01, 2008 10:51 AM
jean said...: vicki,
I have to ask.
Why do you need a avatar?
jean; October 01, 2008 10:53 AM
Independent Voter said...: KA - That too! LOL; October 01, 2008 10:56 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Pollster.com has finally changed Pennsylvania to blue!

I'm not sure who runs the site, but they must be conservatives, as they still have the EC estimate as 250 for Obama, 174 for McCain. Many times a poll comes out that is not reflected on the site. Other times, crazy polls are put on the site, especially if the poll supports McCain - a recent one from Michigan showed McCain up by several points (5-7) in the state, where all other polls at the time had Obama up by 2-7.

Pollster.com currently has the following as tossups (EC votes and the site's estimated 'margin' in parenthesis):
Nevada (5 - M up by 1.8)
Colorado (9 - O up by 3)
Minnesota (10 - O up by 3.2)
Indiana (11 - M up by 2)
Ohio (20 - M up by .6)
Virginia (13 - O up by .2)
North Carolina (15 - M up by 1.6)
New Hampshire (4 - dead even at 46.2% each)
Florida (27 - O up by .2)

I go there not so much for the Pollster.com's analysis of the race, but to read the Neanderthal conservatives reactions to the polls. Some are downright funny, some are actually idiotic.

Mike; October 01, 2008 11:34 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: oh, having an avatar is not a "need", like "needing air" or "needing shelter".

it just appeals to my sense of fun and play, that's all! levity!; October 01, 2008 12:21 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: On MSNBC during the Bill Clinton rally Bill just used the 'turtle on the fence post' line!; October 01, 2008 12:26 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: The EV map is turning more and more blue each day - love this map!

http://election.princeton.edu/electoral-college-map/

O and Joe '08; October 01, 2008 12:36 PM
Beryl said...: Leah,
I love that map. I was looking for the distorted view of the states and couldn't find it.

Yes - it is really good right now. It needs to be to keep the Republicans from getting away with their dirty tricks. They'll think twice if Obama is so far ahead that we will need to spend a year doing manual recounts.; October 01, 2008 12:50 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Open Thread EV Contest

JayW - 269
Beryl - 280
Hippolytus - 289
Dilbuck - 290
softspoken22 - 298
Emma - 300 (1)
Aunt Jean - 300 (2)
SarahLawrenceScott - 303
Richard - 304
jean - 311
Mike in Maryland - 312
tmess2 - 315 — (O-65m/M58m)*7
RobH - 317 (1)
apissedant - 317 (2) — (O-68m/M-60m)*8
Oregon Dem - 332
Leah - 345 — (O-69m/M-50m)*19
Woodland Sprite - 360
Emit R Detsaw - 429
Independent voter - 538
suzi - (51.5% pop. vote)
Oh Canada - 304

Everyone can add an Obama pop.vote number and McCain pop.vote number rounded off to the nearest million - the last number (*) is the margin. Or just a pop.vote or margin # if you wish to do so.
___________________________
2004 General Election Popular vote
Bush 62,040,610
Kerry 59,028,444
----------------

AND here is a list of tons of EV projections sites with their projection listed all in one place:

http://3bluedudes.com/ProjectDatabase.htm

.; October 01, 2008 1:02 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: What A President Obama's Cabinet Might Look Like?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-nickolas/what-might-a-president-ob_b_130747.html

That is a pretty interesting list!; October 01, 2008 1:20 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: The Worst Sarah Palin Clip Yet

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/the-worst-sarah-palin-cli_b_130761.html

.; October 01, 2008 1:40 PM
Joshua said...: I am now certain that there are people who read these posts and who are able to act on what they read. For example, before market close on Monday I complained about the low FDIC/SIPC guarantee limit of $100K. At 5 am the next morning, O released a statement calling for the limit to be increased to $250K. Later the same morning McCain adopted Obama’s position (as usual). Later Bush signed on. And later the same day it entered the Senate draft. They are getting ready to vote on it tonight.

Again, I don’t want to take credit. Maybe good ideas have multiple simultaneous origins.; October 01, 2008 2:04 PM
Joshua said...: And while I am thinking about it, I advise Democrats to put aside class envy and work to the common goal of improving our country. We are going in the wrong direction. It takes all of us working together to right the ship of state. I read with some irritation posts at this site still complaining about “bailing out oberrich.” I advise you that some “uberrich” people also post here and read these pages. Also, some “uberrich” are among Obama’s ardent supporters.

Just because you are down does not make it a crime for anyone else to be successful.
JMHO.; October 01, 2008 2:10 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Yep, just like the 'turtle on a fence post' comment ended up in Clinton's stump speech today!; October 01, 2008 2:11 PM
Joshua said...: yep, I read that turtle joke here.

I tried to watch Bill Clinton’s speech (it was carried live on CSPAN). I had to turn the TV off when he talked about Hillary supporting a bill. He seems to be genetically unable to fully and unconditionally support Obama. So, I didn’t listen long enough to hear him talk about the turtle joke.; October 01, 2008 2:33 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: You should have watched the whole Bill Clinton rally - he really is totally supporting Obama and had a few hidden jabs at Palin. The last half of the rally I saw was awesome!; October 01, 2008 2:38 PM
Doug said...: Here is an article that should introduce a note of caution about the great poll numbers:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/top_obama_labor_supporter_warn.php

Still lots of work to be done to "firm up" the numbers. Bill Clinton's participation, if he continues on with speeches like the one he gave in Florida in the other battleground states, will really help!; October 01, 2008 2:45 PM

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