Democratic Convention Watch: Open Thread

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

Open Thread

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What is McCain's latest "senior moment", what does Obama need to do to win in November or whatever else is on your mind.

And please be excellent to one another. We do not accept name calling or any attacks on our commenters. Any objectionable comments will be deleted. Try to be civil.

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Leah Texas4Obama said...: It is just amazing to me that you can tell which states have the most racists and uneducated folks in them. While most polls have Obama in the lead an Oklahoma state poll came out today with McCain +30.

I think that after this election is over someone in power needs to look at the states that still have 'backwards' thinking and do something about it -- through better education, better internet access, bringing in high tech businesses/jobs (importing more intellectuals from other states), or any other plan that will bring these racists states into the 21st century.; October 01, 2008 2:46 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Bill Clinton Slams Palin, Shows Fire For Obama

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/01/does-bill-clintons-new-sl_n_130887.html

.; October 01, 2008 2:48 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Three articles on HuffingtonPost regarding McCain:

WATCH: McCain Gets Lost On Stage
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/01/mccain-gets-lost-on-stage_n_130868.html

PHOTOS: Still Having Issues With Left Eye
http://www.americablog.com/2008/10/something-just-went-wrong-with-mccains.html

Report: McCain Taking Herbal Memory Supplements
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/10/01/2008-10-01_celebrity_side_dish.html?print=1&page=all%0D

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It is time for McCain to release his medical records and undergo a new full thorough physical!; October 01, 2008 2:54 PM
Joshua said...: All hands on deck. I welcome Bill Clinton’s help. I will be happier if his interviews are different from the clips I saw of him last Sunday talk shows. Unfortunately, I didn’t see the show. I just saw some clips posted on the web. I just will never watch network TV again.; October 01, 2008 2:56 PM
Doug said...: You have to check out this Palin interview clip--it contains "never seen before" moments (at least, not seen by me :).

Watch for Palin's responses on energy policy (it doesn't matter if global warming is a result of man's activies or not), abortion (does not support use of the morning after pill) and gays ("choices that adults make").

I hope she repeats these positions tomorrow night!

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/10/palin_on_couric_hewitt.html; October 01, 2008 3:07 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Doug-

Those were the questions and answers from yesterday's Couric Palin (VP edition) interview last night on ABCnews.

Here is a link to the full interview:

9/30 Sarah Palin Katie Couric Interview FULL INTERVIEW (HQ) - Full Story -Katie Couric Interviewing Sarah Palin Sept 30 About Abortion, Global Warming, Homosexuality, Energy, World Views September 30th (High Quality)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHiUcZqGRMs

Tonight Couric will have Biden's (VP edition) answers.; October 01, 2008 3:27 PM
Joshua said...: Chris Dodd is giving accounting of the content of the Senate Bill on CSPAN2. I like it.
FWIW, I received an email from Obama over a week ago outlining the terms of this BUY IN. I am pleased that his entire requirements are met by the Bill.; October 01, 2008 4:03 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama gaining ground in battle-ground states...

From latest TIME/CNN state polls:

FLORIDA: Obama 51, McCain 47
MINNESOTA: Obama 54, McCain 43
MISSOURI: Obama 49, McCain 48
NEVADA: Obama 51, McCain 47
VIRGINIA: Obama 53, McCain 44

Dates conducted: Sept. 28-30. Error margin: Ranges from 3.5 to 4 points.; October 01, 2008 4:09 PM
Karen Anne said...: "Just because you are down does not make it a crime for anyone else to be successful."

I am not down. I do not resent legitimately wealthy ethical people.

I do resent people like Carly Fiorina, who rake in 7-8-9 figures while they ship jobs overseas, where work can be done more cheaply because there are no benefits or environmental regulations.

I resent people who build McMansions in small house communities and destroy the communities.

I resent financial people who make mega-millions that come directly out of the pockets of small mortgage holders.

I resent BIg Pharma CEOs who make 7-8-9 figures while charging terminal cancer patients hundreds of thousands of dollars for a drug that might extend their lives 1-3 months and costs, oh say $200 per patient to make and offset the research costs.

I resent HMO CEOs who make ditto while denying legitimate benefits to people who are sick and have to go thru the stress of fighting for treatment and often don't get it, or get it too late.

I resent waste, as in very conspicuous consumption, which the planet cannot afford.; October 01, 2008 4:14 PM
Karen Anne said...: Leah,

Jinx of discussing this before the election off :-)

My two cents on the Cabinet:

HHS: Howard Dean (What's Judy going to do about her medical practice? Maybe he would rather go back to Vermont.)
HUD: Jesse Jackson, Jr.
Interior: RFK, Jr.

I would not put Hillary in any Cabinet position. Let her be a powerful Senator. Just too distracting to have her in the Cabinet, and I don’t think she has the ethical reputation suitable for the Supreme Court. I don't think she'd trade being Senator for a Cabinet slot anyway.

I would like to see Lincoln Chafee in some Cabinet position. He would be great at Interior, but so would RFK, Jr. I am thinking Agriculture for Chafee. My impression is that the farm laws need a lot of work. He’s smart and very environmentally oriented. He’s worked as a farrier. He lives on a farm, but I don't know if it’s a working farm.; October 01, 2008 4:38 PM
Independent Voter said...: KA, thank you for responding to America1st.

Like you, I don't resent anyone because they have money. My issue is that we, as a nation, cannot afford to continue giving the uber-wealthy tax cut after tax cut, while the middle class is getting squeezed to impoverished levels.

And the rest of what you wrote is spot on.

I just got home and hadn't gotten time to respond.; October 01, 2008 5:29 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Open Left has now posted the story about something being wrong with McCain's face...

" Something just went wrong with McCain's face on national TV "

http://openleft.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=91026B2662055CFF9335BC0B987645BC?diaryId=8733

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I wonder how long it is going to take before the TV media starts talking about this!; October 01, 2008 6:01 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW :)

WATCH CBS news coming up in a few minutes!
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High buzz for Katie Couric’s upcoming report with Biden and Palin answering her “vice presidential questions” as part of an ongoing segment.

Questions on Roe v. Wade and other Supreme Court decisions will air Wednesday; the series continues Thursday. Airs at 6:30 pm ET.

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Get ya'lls TIVOs and DVRs ready!; October 01, 2008 6:23 PM
Karen Anne said...: Slideshow of great photos:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/01/the-obamas-greatest-pda-m_n_130947.html; October 01, 2008 6:29 PM
Doug said...: Hey Leah, thanks for the heads up! I just caught the last few minutes of the side by side questions... On the supreme court decisions Failin' was flailin! Biden on the other hand gave answers that revealed the breadth and depth of his knowledge.

I hope this comes across tomorrow night as well!; October 01, 2008 6:50 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah
about the Obama office when he's president the only one that I have a problem with is Richardson for state.

Obama needs to stay away from that back stabbing SOB. One more thing he needs Hillary there closer than they have her. AJ; October 01, 2008 7:12 PM
Doug said...: Here is the CBS link for the Roe V. Wade discussion. Palin does not even understand that she completely contradicted herself regarding the right to privacy.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/01/eveningnews/main4493062.shtml; October 01, 2008 7:13 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Karen anne

I totally disagree with you on Hillary. If I thought for one second that Obama wouldn't give her a place I wouldn't vote for him. I just wouldn't vote. AJ; October 01, 2008 7:15 PM
Doug said...: Here is the CBS link for the question regarding the separation of church and state:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/01/eveningnews/main4493077.shtml; October 01, 2008 7:16 PM
Doug said...: Hey Aunt Jean, Hillary will get a chance to say what she wants, I'm sure.

If she is thinking about 2016 she might very well want to build a great legacy in the Senate as Obama's point person and run off of that record.; October 01, 2008 7:22 PM
Independent Voter said...: AJ - I don't think you need to worry about her not having a position within the administration. I don't think she would accept a position within the administration. Of course she would have a major voice, but position, I doubt it.

The ONLY reason I say this is because Dems are trying to get a "super-majority" in the Senate so that they can get their agenda through. Like I said though she WILL have a major voice within his administration.

On the other hand, I could definitely see her IN his administration.; October 01, 2008 7:28 PM
Independent Voter said...: Doug and AJ, I would like to see her take over Reid's position. I know she doesn't have the "seniority" for the position, but she HAS the spine that so many of the Dems like Reid lacks.; October 01, 2008 7:31 PM
Independent Voter said...: Speaking of spines, how soon do you all think LIEberman will be given the boot?; October 01, 2008 7:32 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: gonna have to get my husband to record it for me! I'm out tonight - the radiology lab classes are starting, gotta go put on my teacher hat.; October 01, 2008 7:33 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Vicki - good luck!; October 01, 2008 7:34 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Doug

If Obama is as smart as I think he is he would put Hillary in his cabinet somewhere important. I really resent it when someone says anything neg. about Hillary. She has more ethics in her little finger than Richardson or a hell lot of other people.

Now for Richardson he would sell his mothers soul if he thought he would benefit from it. The best thing Obama can do is stay away from that lying back stabbing SOB AJ; October 01, 2008 7:39 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave
how about Pelosi or Howard Deans place. AJ; October 01, 2008 7:44 PM
Doug said...: Aunt Jean, I agree. Obama needs both Clintons, but particularly Hillary. She can help him in so many different ways, and it will really be up to her I think to decide what she feels is best for her. I think she is going to be attracted to building a legacy in the Senate as a lawmaker, and especially putting her stamp on the Healthcare initiatives that are sure to be brought forward.; October 01, 2008 7:45 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Doug

I get into a defensive mode when I feel someone is insulting Hillary she is one of the greatest women I know. Not perfect but damn good. AJ; October 01, 2008 7:50 PM
Independent Voter said...: AJ - Pelosi, I would like to see her replaced with Debbie Wasserman-Schultz or Rahm Emmanuel.

Howard Dean - I like Dean. I know you don't like how he handled the primary and the sexism that took place (and he finally admitted to the sexism - WELL after the primary concluded), but I'm not sure as to who to replace him with. I never liked Terry MacAullife (sp?), not that he would be given another shot. Honestly I don't see Howard Dean being replaced because there isn't really anyone to take his place (at this point in time.) By the 2012 election there might be, but I'm not sure.; October 01, 2008 7:54 PM
suzihussein22 said...: leah-Thanks for the info on Biden.

My husband was talking to someone who has his finger some on TN politics that says Biden shouldn't volunteer any extra info. That way Palin has to rely on the crammin' she's done the last little bit.; October 01, 2008 7:55 PM
suzihussein22 said...: vicki-Hi. What's your avatar? Is it some kind of object going through space?; October 01, 2008 7:57 PM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Ok, had a rough day and needed a laugh. The CNN Political Ticker provided it for me. In the item "Palin has difficulty naming court case she disagrees with" there is some text at the end of the article that reads "Palin's comments came in the same interview during which she gave a widely-panned answer on the economic bailout bill and had trouble describing John McCain's record on regulation of the financial industry."

Well, the "trouble describing John McCain's record" was a hyperlink. I clicked on it it took me to a page that stated "Not Found. Sorry, but you are looking for something that isn't here."

We already knew this, but cracked me up.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/01/palin-has-difficulty-naming-court-case-she-disagrees-with/; October 01, 2008 8:05 PM
tmess2 said...: If I was Biden, especially when I had the second response, I would try to steer the question just a little bit off the beaten track. Try to put her in a position to talk about something that wasn't covered in her prep.; October 01, 2008 8:06 PM
suzihussein22 said...: tmess2-Would you say Biden needs to show his stuff, connect with the people, but not give away anything to Palin?; October 01, 2008 8:22 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: I heard something interesting today - taht if Biden leads off during his intro comments that there's been a lot of slammin' of Palin, that some of it has focused on her family and personal matters, which is totally unfair, apologize on behalf of all those who have indulged in this behavior, and then say that he just wants to debate the facts just as he would with any other politico, male or female.

it was an interesting take on it - would help to defuse a lot of anger from potentially undecideds.

OH, AND ABOUT THE AVATAR. it's a Tardis, a time/space travelling machine from the sci-fi show Dr. Who. Dr. Who is a Time Lord, capable of travelling through time and space and visits all through Earth history, especially British history. (well, it IS a BBC show)

the Tardis is disguised as a British police box. :-); October 01, 2008 8:36 PM
Karen Anne said...: AJ, If I were Hillary, I would not accept a Cabinet position. People can become very powerful in the Senate, for example, Ted Kennedy or Robert Byrd. A Cabinet person is there for 4 years, maybe 8, and then has to start over at something else. A bunch of women have held Cabinet posts already, some of them very undistinguished, so it is not high prestige.

I mean, quick, how many current Cabinet members can you name - Condi Rice, Gates, a few days ago I wouldn't have known Paulson, the rest aren't even in my mental storage.

From her viewpoint also, I just don't see her as a Justice. They are pretty much invisible, and I don't think she wants that. She's been a political animal, not a long term attorney/judge.; October 01, 2008 8:43 PM
Independent Voter said...: Ok, I know you guys are 'probably' going to jump all over me on this one; however, I think it is important for us to think about this one as far as Stalin...er....Palin is concerned.

The question regarding Supreme Court decisions. After reading the transcript, I have to say that I can KIND of understand her answer. The question was "Are there any other SC decisions you disagree with?"

Many of us thought by the misleading headlines that she couldn't name ANY other SC decision. The keyword in this question was "disagree". The reason I say this is because there are very few MODERN SC decisions that I have disagreed with (until recent times). I disagree with with the Plessy v Ferguson decision (which was later overturned by Board v Brown). And more recently I disagree with the recent DC v Heller decision that lifted the ban on handguns in DC (but that would be one that she agrees with.) You never know, maybe she has agreed with every decision (except Roe).

So with THIS particular question I'm willing to giver her a LITTLE wiggle room. NOT MUCH, but a little.; October 01, 2008 8:45 PM
suzihussein22 said...: vicki-That kind of intro would be good. I don't think she should be expecting the kid glove treatment either.

I like some of the BBC programming, but I never got into Dr. Who.; October 01, 2008 8:46 PM
Karen Anne said...: I don't think Biden should apologize to Palin. It makes it looks like he or Obama have been doing something wrong, and they haven't been.; October 01, 2008 8:46 PM
Karen Anne said...: What was that one about eminent domain, that let the government take property and give it to developers? I disagreed the heck with that one. I have never liked eminent domain anyway.; October 01, 2008 8:48 PM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Yes, McCain said he has aspired to be a dictator. Talk about writing the next ad against yourself.....

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/101098/mccain:_'i_always_aspire_to_be_a_dictator'/

We heard it on Olberman tonight and thought we misheard it. Backed up the DVR and yup, he really said it.; October 01, 2008 8:50 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: More BLUE on the 'cool' map today...

http://election.princeton.edu/electoral-college-map/

.; October 01, 2008 8:50 PM
suzihussein22 said...: iv dave-Can't I jump all over somebody anyway? ;) Yep, that was a misleading headline I fell for. I usually double check that from msm. She'll just have to get back to ya on that one.; October 01, 2008 8:50 PM
Independent Voter said...: Ok NOBODY jump on me over my spelling in the last post, I just saw them and now I'm going to be too damn lazy to fix it ;); October 01, 2008 8:51 PM
Independent Voter said...: KA - I agree with you on the eminent domain case, but I wouldn't have thought of it if I was put on the spot. Besides, being a Repuke, she would probably agree with that decision.; October 01, 2008 8:52 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: There sure are A LOT of polls for Wednesday (today) on Real Clear Politics...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

.; October 01, 2008 8:53 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Suzi, I know, I fell for it too, but we hadn't seen the entire transcript.; October 01, 2008 8:54 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Here's a little bit of info about Palin-

http://tinyurl.com/4tn59j

ka-I can see your take on not apologizing either.; October 01, 2008 8:55 PM
Independent Voter said...: Leah - I saw that too.

Emit - I posted that last night, and I'm glad that KO picked it up tonight.; October 01, 2008 8:56 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Indy-

Palin should have not any wiggle room at all regarding the SCJ question.

She herself as governor issued a press release in Alaska voicing her disapproval after the SC ruling of Exxon v. Baker -- apparently she forgot about that issue that bothered her so very much at the time.

Palin must be treated like any other candidate - if she can't stand the heat then she needs to get out of the kitchen and go back to ALASKA!; October 01, 2008 9:14 PM
Doug said...: Hey IV, no wriggle room for Failin'!

There is a SC decision, recent, directly related to Alaska, that she did disagree with--Exxon Valdez!

She is 'on the record' as disappointed in it!

Except, she probably was not familiar enough with it to even recall it let alone explain why she didn't think it was the right decision.

She has a fundamental character flaw that compels her to give an "intelligent sounding" [to her own ears] response to a question when asked, instead of answering "I don't know."; October 01, 2008 9:15 PM
Doug said...: Leah, you are a faster typer than I am! LOL; October 01, 2008 9:17 PM
Independent Voter said...: Leah & Doug - you have made your case. WHEW! I'm SO glad I don't have to give her a pass (see I DO know how to spell the word give.); October 01, 2008 9:17 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Karen anne

you are probable right on the cabinet members Rice and Gates is the only 2 that came into mind. That's terrible of me. Yes she likes to be in the lime light so I also agree about the judge part.

As far as the court cases besides roe verses wade,eminent domain,and the DC verses Heller and if I think about it I could possible come up with 1 or 2 more.

With those three I agree with 1st one not the second one and agree with the 3rd one. AJ; October 01, 2008 9:26 PM
Aunt Jean said...: The reason I agree with the 3rd one is I own a hand gun and if anyone broke in on me I wouldn't hesitate to shoot. AJ; October 01, 2008 9:29 PM
Independent Voter said...: AJ - we USED to own hand guns, but quickly got rid of them because we are both Geminis.......LOL! Just kidding, we just had no use for them.; October 01, 2008 9:36 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Doug

I might [thats a big word] understand why she couldn't think of other sc cases but you would think with Alaska being involved that she would have remembered the Exxon Valdez sc case. Of course I didn't right away but hell I don't live in Alaska. AJ; October 01, 2008 9:36 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

if you would remember my birthday you would remember I'm a gemini also. turd!!!LOL I have it for protection only! What can I do if a man breaks in on me all he would have to do is hit me 1 time. At 118 lbs and 5'2" Of course I have long nails and good knees!!!! LOL LOL AJ; October 01, 2008 9:40 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave I forgot and a biggggg mouth with good lungs!!! LOL LOL AJ; October 01, 2008 9:41 PM
tmess2 said...: Suzi, Biden just needs to be a little bit folksy and a little bit knowledgeable. This debate is all about Palin (and through her about McCain's wisdom).

On someone else's point, even if the question was any other opinion that she disagreed with, it's clear she doesn't even read her own press releases. Less than two months ago, you had the decision on the Exxon Valdez case (Exxon v. Baker). At the time, Governor Palin's office put out a press release expressing its displeasure with that opinion.; October 01, 2008 10:01 PM
Beryl said...: Do any of you have an Obama yard sign? I ordered mine a month ago and still haven't gotten one! I'm thinking that it will be too late when it finally gets here!; October 01, 2008 10:05 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Yeah, dave, what does being a gemini have to do with anything? AJ pinned you on that one! :)

The new plan passed.; October 01, 2008 10:10 PM
suzihussein22 said...: beryl-I've seen some great handmade signs that still match the printed ones. Somebody was very precise with their artistic talent.

"O" can it "B" we will have a surprise in Tennessee? We'll just have to see! :); October 01, 2008 10:15 PM
Independent Voter said...: Ok, Jean - hopefully you (or someone else) can explain this to me.

I'm about 20 minutes behind watching the Rachel Maddow show and as most people know by now, the rescue plan passed the Senate, right?

But then after its passage, it was reported that futures.......drum roll please.....FELL! HUH? (in my best Scooby Doo voice).; October 01, 2008 10:22 PM
Independent Voter said...: AJ & Soft - LOL!

Two geminis living under the same roof can get....how do I put this... tense? at times?; October 01, 2008 10:25 PM
Independent Voter said...: OMG! OUCH! According to CNN MONEY they are expecting it to be announced on Friday that another 105,000 jobs were lost in September. Perhaps that answers my previous question. :(; October 01, 2008 10:28 PM
Beryl said...: Yep - in my team of 160, we released 20 people today. Fortunately, only 3 were regular employees and the rest were subcontractors.; October 01, 2008 10:39 PM
Kujo said...: I originally supported Biden in the Primaries. I followed him in the Senate for many years. I knew he was qualified and very smart.

I also liked Obama. It really was not much of a choice, early on it was appearent that Biden was not going to gain any traction, so I hitched onto my second choice.

The one thing I remember though is after every debate, CNN would report in its "Scorecard" that:

On the question Who won the Debate:

Hillary: reason, Did not do anything to hurt her.

One the question Who was most knowledgable:

Biden

It always struct me funny how someone could say Hillery won the debate and Biden would be most knowledgable.

Going into this debate I think Palin will be told exactly what to say for each question. Since most polititians never answer the question anyway, it really does not matter what she says as long as it has a verb, a noun and an adjective or 2. If the word tax is in the question, she says We are for lower taxes in this economic hardship, they want to raise taxes. If the word Energy is used, Drill, Drill, Drill is her answer.

There is a possibility that, like in the primary, people will be able to tell the difference between knowledge, and script. I don't expect her to answer like she did to Katie.

(There is the possibility they mix the questions up in an order she is not expecting and give the answer to question 2 for question 1 and so on.... but I don't think so); October 01, 2008 10:51 PM
Kujo said...: By the way, we are hiring.

We need good qualified C++ developers (and java) who wants to (has to) work from 5pm to 1:00 am. Pay is very good (depends on experience); October 01, 2008 10:53 PM
Independent Voter said...: Beryl, OUCH!

Kujo, good to know, unfortunately I have ZERO clue on C++. I only know 1 person who MAY (I don't know for sure) be proficient C++/Java.

What state? Or is it kind of a subcontractor - telecommute?; October 01, 2008 10:58 PM
Independent Voter said...: And by the way, I sent the Post Turtle joke to my mother and my brother - BOTH staunch Repukes. I haven't heard back from them yet, not that I expect to.; October 01, 2008 11:00 PM
Doug said...: Kujo, I'm not sure Failin' can even follow a script, unless she is allowed to have notes with her. If so, it will be obvious that she is reading.

Do they have the questions in advance? If that is the case there won't be any gaffes from either of them.

After the Couric Veep interviews today I don't see how Palin can ever recover, unless Joe stumbles in a major way which I am sure he won't do.; October 01, 2008 11:04 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

I know what you mean about to geminis living in the same household. When I first moved back to Texas from Tenn. I lived with my sister for 2 years. Boy did it SUCK!!!!! Our relationship will never be the same even though we are twins. there is just some things even if you forgive but I will never forget. So yes it did harm to our relationship. AJ; October 01, 2008 11:05 PM
Kujo said...: Indy,

Chicago ... we work in the Sears Tower. We are a small (in size) trading firm (60 people world wide) that trades mainly in Asia. (Yes last 2 weeks have been profitable :) )

Offices in 5 of Asia's top Cities.

Since we trade for ourselves, our name is not known.; October 01, 2008 11:19 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Well folks I'm heading to bed so goodnight and pleasant dreams.Can't wait until tomorrow night I hope I get to see Sarahcuda fall on her face!!!! AJ; October 01, 2008 11:23 PM
Independent Voter said...: G-night AJ, at least with Bill and I, we have great make.......nevermind. You probably shouldn't do that with your sister.; October 01, 2008 11:59 PM
Kujo said...: Credit Crunch.... #1

Our company order furnature (for new employees) about a 1 1/2 months ago. The furnature is stuck in shipping due to the credit crunch.; October 02, 2008 12:12 AM
Kujo said...: Indy,

oh I missed something...

Full time employment.

Sorry; October 02, 2008 12:13 AM
Independent Voter said...: Kujo, I don't think the person I was thinking about would want to relocate :( He lives in AZ with his wife and 3 kids. He's got a decent job now, but I'll pass the word on to him.; October 02, 2008 12:19 AM
Kujo said...: Debate Preview:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/01/palin-cant-name-supreme-c_n_131042.html

This is an example of what I was saying before about Biden being knowledgable and Palin shooting from the hip with prepared text that she can not sway from.; October 02, 2008 12:46 AM
Kujo said...: I disagree with the DNC Presidential forcast 10/1 that if Obama has to get over the 269 threshold, he still has to rely on VA or FL who are +1 at best.

You can not count out NH. Where VA and FL are real recent gains for Obama, NH has solidly supported Obama since May over McCain. Yes NH is close but it is definately stronger then VA or FL; October 02, 2008 1:05 AM
Joshua said...: Who is asking about C++? For what operating system? C++ is really yesterday. I gave up Fortran, Assembler, C, C++ years ago. Now, it is C# and ASP.NET all the way for me.; October 02, 2008 3:40 AM
suzihussein22 said...: aj and iv dave-You guys are too much! :D LOL

It sounds like Palin is burning her bridges(like it was going anywhere)-

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/53299.html

aj-I don't normally resort to names, but Sarahcuda is funny! LOL; October 02, 2008 7:29 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: IV: geminis! my husband is a gemini - it's not like living with one 54 year old, more like living with two 27 year olds!! I can only imagine what TWO geminis under one roof is like!

WHOEVER POSTED ABOUT THE YARD SIGNS! we are also still waiting on ours (it's been about a month now) - finally broke down yesterday and went to go purchase a couple locally. Also, I want to go get a plastic turtle to put up on one of our fence posts tonight.; October 02, 2008 9:44 AM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Suzi and Vicki.

Ya, when the "evil twins" come out it can sometimes get close to a nuclear meltdown....LOL

amer.....
Kujo was saying that his company is hiring someone who is proficient in C++. And I was just responding that I'm not proficient in it but know someone who might be, but that they wouldn't want to relocate to Chicago. That's all.; October 02, 2008 10:10 AM
jean said...: vicki,
You find that Turtle and have fun watching the debate.

On a frustrated note.
My son's coach changed the son's pitching lesson to 6:30pm.
That is TODAY.
Debate starts at 6pm here.
CRAP.
jean; October 02, 2008 11:13 AM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Good morning everyone and especially to all of my fellow Gemini's (smile). Yep, I'm a Gemini, too.

I'm feeling a little nervous about the debate tonight. I guess I've been listening to way too many pundits. At first I felt pretty confident that Palin would have a total meltdown during the debate, but now I don't know. She just might give Biden a run for his money. I don't want to believe my last statement, but it just might happen, and I'm trying to mentally prepare myself to ward off any meltdowns of my own (smile). I need some reassurance right now to settle my nerves.; October 02, 2008 11:15 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: IV, lol! sometimes I just snap my fingers under his nose and say "hey! mr. adhd! ya gonna take care of this, or should I?"

he's a lovely man, understands computers waaaay more than I do (he makes the big bucks around her, not me), and is a very hard worker. but he does need direction! sometimes it's more like herding cats than other days.

so who has that role in your house (cat wrangler)?; October 02, 2008 11:15 AM
Beryl said...: Yard signs - that would be my complaint. I've been waiting for mine for about 1 month. The ugly McCain signs are up in the neighborhood and all I have are some posters in my windows.

Good and STRANGE news though:
GW/Battleground Tracking, the poll that loved the "+2" for McCain and over the last couple days gave the "+2" to Obama has changed!

09/28 - 10/01 800 LV 49 44 Obama +5; October 02, 2008 11:24 AM
jean said...: beryl,
Yep, I think things are changing for the positive, Knock On Wood.
NC is also +3 Obama and I find Georgia at +6 for McCain very interesting.
Just remember to Knock on Wood;)
jean
Going to the Dentist now.
Joy.; October 02, 2008 11:29 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: news flash! Peggy Noonan was on John Stewart last night! just watched it.

Honestly, she is a well-spoken, intelligent, perceptive woman.; October 02, 2008 11:49 AM
Doug said...: I have to say I love this--

http://www.wboy.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=44752&email=1

I posted an article a day or two ago about union leaders in Ohio that were concerned about union members' support for Obama. Here we have mine workers in West Virginia standing up for Obama and against their employer's attempt to coerce them into saying something negative about him.

Now that is what courage is all about.; October 02, 2008 1:01 PM
Doug said...: ...and on a lighter note, if you missed Letterman last night like I did, this excerpt is great!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/02/the-feud-continues_n_131117.html

:); October 02, 2008 1:15 PM
Beryl said...: A closer look at the life and career of John McCain reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Ignore the fact that it is published by Rolling Stone. Look at the person who was interviewed and read the rest of the article.

Excerpt:

At Fort McNair, an army base located along the Potomac River in the nation's capital, a chance reunion takes place one day between two former POWs. It's the spring of 1974, and Navy commander John Sidney McCain III has returned home from the experience in Hanoi that, according to legend, transformed him from a callow and reckless youth into a serious man of patriotism and purpose. Walking along the grounds at Fort McNair, McCain runs into John Dramesi, an Air Force lieutenant colonel who was also imprisoned and tortured in Vietnam.

...
"I'm going to the Middle East," Dramesi says. "Turkey, Kuwait, Lebanon, Iran."
"Why are you going to the Middle East?" McCain asks, dismissively.
"It's a place we're probably going to have some problems," Dramesi says.
"Why? Where are you going to, John?"
"Oh, I'm going to Rio."
"What the hell are you going to Rio for?"
McCain, a married father of three, shrugs.
"I got a better chance of getting laid."

Dramesi, who went on to serve as chief war planner for U.S. Air Forces in Europe and commander of a wing of the Strategic Air Command, was not surprised. "McCain says his life changed while he was in Vietnam, and he is now a different man," Dramesi says today. "But he's still the undisciplined, spoiled brat that he was when he went in."; October 02, 2008 1:32 PM
jean said...: doug,
Letterman was great.
But Obama is in trouble and this is a MAJOR jewelry moment and there is no way out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29/obama-makes-keith-olberma_n_130445.html; October 02, 2008 1:37 PM
Kujo said...: Amer -

Sorry to disappoint you not every industry has moved to c#.

In our industry (option trading) we write software that needs to "compete" with other companies. Each successfull trade could yield anywhere from 1,000 to 1,000,000.

When dealing with many IT when speaking of C# they say it is fast. There standard of measurement is the naked eye. Our standard of measurement is if we get the trades or not.

Microsoft computers are far slower then Linux. Linux is much more reliable (computer outages can cost us 1,000,000 in a matter of minutes).

So if you speak of C++ in the same language as Fortran Cobal ... you must know it is still the fastest language out there.

C# is for more simplified gui language that is easier to program in for the novice, and meets many simple needs of companies.

But C++ still dominates when it comes to performance.

An experienced C++ program with no experience in our industry will start at around 100K, with experience 120K - 150K. This does not include bonus.; October 02, 2008 2:14 PM
Doug said...: LOL Jean, I saw that too! But who among us (speaking for all the male partners out there) hasn't done something similar :)

That is what keeps jewelry stores in business. I sometimes pick up something "just because" or "just in case" ;)

Another crazy market day eh?; October 02, 2008 2:20 PM
jean said...: doug,
#1 you are a gem;)
"just because" and "just in case", you are a smart man.

Obama did it and the statement is international. He could not win in any court worldwide.
It does not have to be expensive, you can pick up anything, it actually has to have a VERY special engraving.

The problem with the markets is, shortsales of properties and short refi's are on hold, who knows when this will get back on track or if they expect the bale out to stop them. No Matter, there is not enough money to do it.
Also, unemployment, low orders for big ticket items, low consumer spending, etc.(unfortunately).
I do not want to sound like a doomsdayer but 8000 on the market is what is being pushed around as a turn around point.
Something they say to invest in is Liquer companys, specifically vodka.
Another is entertainment(shows,movies,stuff like that are near home), much fewer vacations being taken.
On a high note, cannot wait for the VP debate.
jean; October 02, 2008 2:47 PM
Doug said...: McFailin campaign pulling out of Michigan!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/McCain_pulling_out_of_Michigan.html?showall

This is huge since it will allow Obama to do a full court press in Ohio, Florida and Virginia.

Jean--other good bets for investment are consumer products--Coke and Pepsi. When household budgets are tight a bag of chips and a drink are the "affordable luxuries".; October 02, 2008 2:56 PM
UUbuntu said...: Well, the New Yorker came out with a Presidential endorsement, and while the choice (Obama) isn't surprising, what is impressive is the starkness of the case that the editors make.

I can't think of any issue they miss on this one. It's simply signed "The Editors", and it's worth reading.; October 02, 2008 3:05 PM
Beryl said...: McCain is a Seagull Manager.. especially during this economic crisis and campaign suspensions.

"A friend of mine once referred to this kind of 'leadership' as 'being a seagull.' Basically, McCain wants to show up, fly around, make a lot of noise, crap all over the place, and then leave. He’s been told by the Folks in Charge not to bother."; October 02, 2008 3:21 PM
Joshua said...: I posted that given a choice between the above average intelligent candidate and a mediocre one, Americans embrace the dumber one. And some posters here told me to go get a psychiatric exam. Read this article and tell me that we don’t embrace mediocrity. It doesn’t matter how dumb Palin is, she is a formidable candidate. Dismiss her at your peril. Her only mission tonight is to attend the debate and remain upright at the end.; October 02, 2008 3:24 PM
Beryl said...: I wish they'd (McPalin) pull out of Colorado. They are polluting our beautiful state.; October 02, 2008 3:26 PM
Joshua said...: Kujo,

Yes, C++ will give you a tighter code and will use less memory. But that was important in the day when RAM was expensive. If the speed difference between C++ and C# is important, then I recommend that you use Assembly language which is machine code. In assembly you directly program the registers. It is impossible for humans to detect any speed difference between upper level languages (anything short of machine code is upper level).

Yes, options trading requires speed. Unless there is no human interaction and you do your trades completely by computer programs, it should not matter that the code was written in C#. Even VB will perform a task one million times the speed of a human brain.; October 02, 2008 3:37 PM
Doug said...: Am1st, interesting article. But I wonder how many people who voted for Bush as a "strong leader" do not now have "voter's remorse" (like buyer's remorse for purchasing something you later regret owning). I think Bush has helped move the characteristic "knowledgeable" up the scale a bit in voters' priorities as what makes a capable presidential candidate.

That said, IF Palin can give the appearance that she is knowledgeable about an issue tonight, without making any major gaffes, that will help her immeasurably in the post-debate spin. I rate that likelihood at less than 5%!; October 02, 2008 3:37 PM
Beryl said...: Print and enjoy with your family tonight.

http://www.palinbingo.com/; October 02, 2008 3:39 PM
Doug said...: Hey Tyler, nice article that sets out the choice better than anywhere I've seen it to date.; October 02, 2008 3:48 PM
UUbuntu said...: Now this is just wrong!

I LOVE YOU, SARAH PALIN!

(Oh, thank you Doug); October 02, 2008 4:01 PM
jean said...: tyler,
Thank you.
It is so nice to have everything in one place.
This will be the preview for this evening;)
jean; October 02, 2008 4:12 PM
Joshua said...: Kujo,
Speaking about options trading, your speed does not depend on whether your code was written in C++ or not. Much more important is the speed of connection between you and the market maker. Here is an example. You could do you computation and send in your order in 0.002 second. But between your terminal and the market maker, before the message bounces around the internet and the packet arrives, it takes 5 seconds. I am talking 2,500 times the speed of the calculation. But your completion is located nearer the market maker and has fiberoptic connection and his takes 3 seconds. So it does not matter if your machine took 0.002 or 0.004 second.; October 02, 2008 4:13 PM
apissedant said...: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/02/mccain_pulls_out_of_michigan.html?hpid=topnews

Wow! The McCain camp is still dreaming.; October 02, 2008 4:14 PM
Doug said...: AP, what else are they going to say?

All I can say, to the "unidentified McCain campaign organizer"--I'm glad I'm not you!; October 02, 2008 4:23 PM
Kujo said...: Amer,

I guess you don't understand. I have been in this business over 20 years. Currently I am the CIO of this company because of my experience.

I fully understand every aspect of speed, far more then you. We trade world wide, we have computers in cities we don't even have people. In some countries we are able to get in the same building as the exchange and other times we rent space from the telecom company were the lines from the exchange come into. Sometimes we have many points of access.....

But what you don't understand, so does our competition. To spell it out, there is maybe one optimal point of putting your computer and we are not the only ones there.

And right now we time things in .0000002 seconds not .002 seconds.

And constantly test languages and machines against ourselves to know what system gets the trades.; October 02, 2008 4:33 PM
Kujo said...: Amer,

And I forgot. We don't use terminals, We are the market maker, and the trades happen at the exchange, we don't use the internet....

Also, the exchange rarely tells anyone where their computers are and many cities it is much research and sometimes trial and error to find out the best location.; October 02, 2008 4:40 PM
jean said...: This is called credit crunch.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/02/news/economy/colleges.ap/index.htm?postversion=2008100215

Dang

jean; October 02, 2008 4:45 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: When McLameBrain dissed Letterman, he picked the wrong person to diss.

Letterman is from Indiana, and has a very strong following in the state. Indiana has always been for the GOP candidate. Since 1896, the only Democratic party Presidential candidates Indiana has voted for in the General Election are Wilson in 1912 (and then only because of the 3-way race), FDR in 1932 and 1936, and LBJ in 1964.

Since Indiana has become a toss-up state this year, dissing David Letterman means McLameBrain dissed the voters of Indiana.

McLameBrain's dissing of David reminds me of a saying from my younger days, "Smooth move, Ex-Lax"!

Mike; October 02, 2008 5:11 PM
Joshua said...: Kujo

1. So you are an option trader. Good. But you sound like McCain telling Obama that he does not understand this and that, when Obama actually knows the subject in circles around McCain.

It is probably presumptuous (and definitely defensive) of you to assert that you understand every aspect of speed more than I. Nothing in computer is measured down to 200 nanoseconds except how long it takes the electrons to travel from the Accumulator register to the Flag register within adjacent microchips within the same computer.

Your IT person would be very impressed with your understanding of numbers if you represent decimal numbers with the obligatory leading zero, viz: 0.0000002, not .0000002

2. So, you are a market maker? That is impressive. I mean that. I gave up trading because I am certain that I cannot beat the market maker. My trades no longer depend on speed and timing. I just identify turning points and place GTC orders.; October 02, 2008 5:25 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Ya'll don't forget that the last part of the VP questions and answers on CBS with Katie Couric starts in a few minutes.; October 02, 2008 6:22 PM
Kujo said...: Amer,

Sorry I must of made the same as you:

"viz: 0.0000002, not .0000002"

and added one extra Zero.

To put it in english, 2 microseconds. And that is the return time for when we receive informat and when the information leaves our computer. Then you add the Telecom time.... that as you noted is a large factor.

I personally don't trade but I run the IT. The programs do trade but we have a team of traders running them. Though I run the IT I still program as well, can't get enough of it.; October 02, 2008 6:23 PM
Kujo said...: Amer,

Opps, mis quoted your .0000 (0.000) point.

Sorry.

And as for me I can not spell and when I chat I am too lazy :( to get it exactly right.

I guess if I was running for VP I would be meat for the press.; October 02, 2008 6:26 PM
Kujo said...: And as for any comment to say Market Makers are part of the problem, then they really don't know what the problem is and what is a market maker.

A market maker is a company who is a middle man so when farmers in spring need money to buy their seed or machinery, they go to the market and sell there corn that they did not plant yet on the premis that they will produce crops. If there is no market maker, then no one would be there for them and they would have to pay much or recieve little.

They also exist so when you want to buy or sell a stock, there is someone there for you to trade with.

Market maker do not take risk, do not interact with the public, but provide a service.

There is not one market maker who is in trouble with the economy.

Plus our firm only works in Asia (not wall street).

But since it is brought up, I much prefer Obama over McCain even tough Obama plans on raising my taxes.

Tighter regulation in the trading market probably will hurt our business not help, but it is what is better for the country and economy.; October 02, 2008 6:34 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: AmericaFirstAndOnly (and Kujo):

Please take it to the street, please.

The discussion of how fast an electron travels on a copper wire or fiber optic does not seem, to me, to be related to the election.

In other words, find a different forum to discuss what you are discussing, as it has zero interest to me and, I suspect, most others here at DemConWatch.

Mike; October 02, 2008 6:40 PM
Doug said...: Some more Palin classic in the latest interview clip with Couric. I won't spoil it if you haven't seen it, but it involves Palin's view of Dick Cheney.

Priceless!; October 02, 2008 6:50 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: OH MY GOD .. Palin did it again!

Katie Couric asked 'What is the best and worst thing Dick Cheney has done?'

Palin: The duck hunting incident.

Biden: His answer was regarding Cheney's disregard of the U.S. Constitution, the promotion of torture ... and I can't remember the rest of what he said.

The video will probably be on the net soon.

---
God help us if Palin ever gets near the White House!; October 02, 2008 6:53 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Oooops.. I guess I spoiled it for everyone ;(

But it was just so outrageous I had to tell someone ;); October 02, 2008 6:55 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Debate Training - Biden learns what makes girls cry (WITH HOT PICS!)

http://www.236.com/news/2008/10/01/debate_training_biden_learns_w_1_9211.php

"While most people will be watching Thursday's VP debate to find out whether Sarah Palin will start speaking in tongues, there's also the little matter of diarrhea-mouth hothead Joe Biden. The Obama camp is worried about the notoriously unpredictable Biden getting too aggressive (read: red-faced bellowing) while addressing Gov. Palin and losing the coveted "we hate people who aren't nice to the woefully underqualified" vote. To prepare, Joe has been rehearsing with MI Gov. Jennifer Granholm standing in for Sarah Palin. Watch our completely made up recreation of those rehearsals (with exclusive pics!) in the slideshow. . . ."

Mike; October 02, 2008 6:58 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike -

That was great!

And I loved photo #23 ;); October 02, 2008 7:06 PM
jean said...: I guess today was trash day.
Things look clean.

OK, I think Palin is going to be very strong and will be on a strong attack with Biden.
Honestly, she has nothing to lose.

I think this will be real entertainment.
I do not mean to be derogatory with that statement, well....,
maybe some.
I will not say at whose expense.
jean; October 02, 2008 8:07 PM
Beryl said...: Raising the Palin bar...

She will do a phenomenal job tonight. She will impress the electorate and prove to many that McCain's selection indicates his wisdom.

We are hiring a VP of the USA, not the VP of a debate team.; October 02, 2008 8:11 PM
Joshua said...: Kujo

“I still program as well, can't get enough of it.”

I hear you. I too love programming. I do it as a hobby. I love C# and SQL. I also enjoyed Assembler, but it is too tedious and prone to error. C# is like sex to me. I joking tell my wife that if they begin building some parts into computers, then women would become unnecessary.

One of the things I have done is download the raw data zip files from the FEC for the presidential campaign every month. I have on my computer every person who has donated $200 or more to Obama, Clinton and McCain. I have their name, home address, amount given, and date. My last download was last night. Just translating the raw data into SQL database took 88.70 minutes. Between those three there are exactly 2,414,004 entries reported to the FEC as of September 26.; October 02, 2008 8:23 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: R E A P E T I N G:

AmericaFirstAndOnly (and Kujo):

Please take it to the street, please.

The discussion of how fast an electron travels on a copper wire or fiber optic does not seem, to me, to be related to the election.

In other words, find a different forum to discuss what you are discussing, as it has zero interest to me and, I suspect, most others here at DemConWatch.

Mike; October 02, 2008 8:25 PM
Independent Voter said...: Mike - ROFLMAO!

Debate prep was GREAT!; October 02, 2008 8:26 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Leah,

I also liked pic 19 (Gov. Granholm holding up the shoe), but even better was the caption ("Lose your temper again Joe and this shoe's going up your ***.")

VBG

Mike; October 02, 2008 8:51 PM
suzihussein22 said...: vicki and almost everybody-What's wrong with Geminis? We're angels! You'd better get that in your heads or else! :P

Amer 1st-I don't think we're underestimating Palin.

Tyler-How's it going? Thanks for the article.

m in md-LOL! I'd forgotten about that website. Hysterical! If you see anybody brandishing a high heel, DUCK AND COVER!; October 02, 2008 8:53 PM
Independent Voter said...: Suzi - LOL! Retract your claws....I see the evil twin rearing its head....LOL; October 02, 2008 9:10 PM
Beryl said...: I can't stand it. She changes the topic at will.

Answer the question, heffa!; October 02, 2008 9:31 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Damn...Palin just connected Maliki with the Taliban!; October 02, 2008 9:45 PM
suzihussein22 said...: iv dave-You betcha, I'll retract my claws, after the debate. ;); October 02, 2008 10:02 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Soft - Biden is really KICKING ASS on foreign policy.

WOW! When she tried taking credit for legislation to divest in Sudan, and then said that it didn't pass, he number nosedived.; October 02, 2008 10:06 PM
Independent Voter said...: WOW! Neither men or women like her talking about them being mavericks...; October 02, 2008 10:10 PM
Independent Voter said...: Apparently people don't like her being smug.; October 02, 2008 10:12 PM
suzihussein22 said...: The big question-You're failin' Palin. Wasilla Main St.? You had to have an administrator when you were technically the mayor.

There you go again Joe? She didn't answer very many questions.; October 02, 2008 10:14 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Oh yeah, let's open another backdoor through the VP office to skew the power of the executive branch government.; October 02, 2008 10:18 PM
Independent Voter said...: OH MY - has anybody else noticed that she does an awful lot of reading?; October 02, 2008 10:19 PM
suzihussein22 said...: This is the 21st century, Palin. We're going over our budget on a spreadsheet on the computer, not just the kitchen table. Try to keep up!; October 02, 2008 10:21 PM
Independent Voter said...: OMG! Poor Joe! Just sent me into tears.; October 02, 2008 10:22 PM
Minnesota For Obama said...: What is going on?????? I am just getting home from my granddaughters volleyball games...Is Pale-in-comparison impressing anyone?; October 02, 2008 10:25 PM
Independent Voter said...: Minn - personally, I think she has actually "held her own" on several issues - but the problem is that she pretty much just goes back to her "talking points". She doesn't get specific. She references her and McShrub being "mavericks". She's good at changing the subject when she's not comfortable talking about something. She likes to meander a lot.

I think it is probably a draw except that people don't like when she's smug or when she refers to her and McShrub as "mavericks".

She said she "likes" answering these "tough" questions, but she hasn't really "answered" the questions.; October 02, 2008 10:30 PM
suzihussein22 said...: i don't have to be told what i heard, Palin.; October 02, 2008 10:31 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Soft!; October 02, 2008 10:34 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: I just posted this at Pollster.com:

Palin held serve (to some extent) TONIGHT by not doing a meltdown of not knowing how to answer a simple question. The question is, "How will she do in the next interview?"

If she does another 'Couric' in her next interview (and I suspect that she will), it will just show that she was well-rehearsed TONIGHT, but it will show that she does not have the insight to handle a simple interview, let alone be able to give advice that matters to the President.

The question will now be "When will she do a Sunday Morning News interview?" If she was able to handle TONIGHT, she should be able to handle a Sunday morning interview, shouldn't she?

Mike; October 02, 2008 10:42 PM
jean said...: Ok,
My first thought is that she acted like a "Girl".
She did not act like a"Woman".
No confidence that she could run this country.
She had poise and messed up a few times with rambling.
She was at a beauty contest.
Biden kept his cool.
Palen a heart beat from the presidency.
I think people will think she is nice, but that is about it.
She has been runner-up before.
jean; October 02, 2008 10:45 PM
Minnesota For Obama said...: What is up with Buchanan? He thinks she won hands down??; October 02, 2008 10:48 PM
Beryl said...: She made me sick with the winking and not answering questions. If I hear "Maverick" one more time.... Biden put that in check though.

Pat B. blathered on about how great Palin performed and I wanted to puke.

I think most women didn't like her and men were impressed.; October 02, 2008 10:48 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Now I'm retracting my claws, davey, so I can give some love to my puppy, who almost died this week, which is why I told jean how much I was needing levity. He's so pretty and looks like he's wearing a vest. He's mostly black lab with a little bit of jack russell terrier. He was sending off the kids on the bus and got hit by a van that was speeding by, etc. We're still not sure if he's permanently paralyzed, which is breaking our hearts to see him not be able to play and run.; October 02, 2008 10:52 PM
Independent Voter said...: Soft - :( I'm sorry to hear that about your dog. Give him LOTS and LOTS of hugs and kisses for me! :)

But black lab and jack russell? Which was the father? LOL!; October 02, 2008 11:00 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Palin is irritating.
Her voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard!

She skipped several questions by changing the question.

She shouldn't have had her bangs hanging over her glasses.

She was reading from her notes too much.

She was just spouting off things she had memorized.

The one thing that really piSSed me off was that she did a very mean thing to throw Biden off... she mentioned Biden's SECOND wife being a teacher and said that she would have her reward in HEAVEN - the first thing I thought of was Biden's FIRST wife that died and IS in heaven. I think that was a very wicked thing to do and she did it on purpose! Did anyone else catch that?; October 02, 2008 11:05 PM
jean said...: suzi,
So sorry about your dog.
My heart is with you.
My dog has a 2000spft doghouse and we just visit.

I almost feel that Palin acted like Biden was like a Dad.
I was totally surprised by her.
She rebelled and then would die down into her repetitive Maverick crap.
Biden did have me in tears also.
At the end when he was kneeling to talk to the kids was priceless and I really think he meant it.
Palin did not look like a leader.
jean; October 02, 2008 11:09 PM
Independent Voter said...: Leah - Actually I'm GLAD that she did it. I think it opened the door for him to talk about his first wife. Oh man - when he got choked up talking about his first wife, his daughter and his sons who nearly didn't make it, Bill and I just LOST it. We had to pause it to let our eyes clear. (OK me more so than Bill - YES we are SAPS!); October 02, 2008 11:09 PM
jean said...: leah,
I caught that big time.
I thought my husband was going into cardiac arrest when he heard it.
I really want to hear what is said about that.
jean; October 02, 2008 11:12 PM
suzihussein22 said...: leah-That was a wicked thing. My Mike was loving how Biden smacked her down about a man knows how to be a parent too. Fathers are the ones that sometimes need to take leave for their family. There's more to it than spittin' 5 out, not to be crude.; October 02, 2008 11:25 PM
suzihussein22 said...: iv dave-You're not saps, you're human. Palin had to talk, but it was so cold how the only words out of her mouth were maverick and reform.; October 02, 2008 11:31 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: It's very obvious that the latest court decision in 'Troopergate' wasn't brought up just prior to the debate:

Judge refuses to block Palin firing probe

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26995799/

Mike; October 02, 2008 11:31 PM
tmess2 said...: Suzi, it actually was not a gaffe on Maliki. Palin said Talibani, not Taliban. As weird as it may seem, the name of the President of Iraq is Talibani.; October 02, 2008 11:45 PM
Independent Voter said...: MIKE - YAY! I'm soooooooo glad that the judge ruled against her. Unfortunately I have the feeling they will be seeking a stay in federal court next.; October 02, 2008 11:59 PM
Bob in Vancouver said...: I just have to add my bit:

Biden was a class act and won that debate hands down, going away. He nailed one point after another (patriotic means not having offshore accounts, etc. etc.)

How some of the surrogates can actually say on television, without blinking, "Palin reactivated the part base tonight" and "Palin did what she had to do and proved she was capable of being the VP/President". What a load of shit.

I can say without a doubt, her preformance was so poor, and will be picked apart over the next couple of days, and will do nothing to stop all of the jokes about her knowledge or capability.

The hope was that she could save the McCain campaign, but she fell way short of that mark.; October 03, 2008 12:03 AM
Independent Voter said...: Bob, I totally agree, and I think everyone on this board will agree with your statement; however, we have WAY too many shallow people in this country who simply want someone who is "like them" (whatever the F that means nowadays.)

I think that after her "interviews" of the past couple weeks set the bar SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO low, that she won simply by showing up (at least the Repukes minds that is.); October 03, 2008 12:08 AM
Independent Voter said...: One bright note, on CNN's after debate coverage, there was a woman on the "focus group" panel that said that she was "leaning McShrub" but is now back to extremely undecided. She wasn't impressed by Stalin....Palin.; October 03, 2008 12:10 AM
Kujo said...: Mike,

sorry won't bring it up again. We had a good position open and I though maybe I could help someone out there if you knew someone who needed a job.

Also, Mike please include all the other names too who bring up non related subjects as I read here all the time.; October 03, 2008 12:15 AM
Joshua said...: Silly me! I looked at the name of this blog and it said “Open Thread.” How was I to know that I needed the permission of a certain poster before I can talk about a subject? I was stupid enough to think I could talk about whatever interested me and anyone is free to contribute or ignore. Silly me. Perhaps you can tell me in advance if you approve of some topic. Give me your email so that I can check with you before I post something. Thanks.; October 03, 2008 12:16 AM
Joshua said...: Kujo,
Don’t pay any attention to that poster. He lives in a glass house but is always the first to throw a punch. Feel free to post as you choose. He does not own this board. The administrators will delete any post with which they object. The poster to whom you replied does not own this site.; October 03, 2008 12:19 AM
Bob in Vancouver said...: Again from Vancouver:

Did anyone else notice that the touchy-feely gauge went down when Palin mentioned she was a hockey mom. In fact, I'm positive that the guage dropped below the midline, repeatedly when Palin opened up with one of her campaign slogans.; October 03, 2008 12:21 AM
Joshua said...: Kujo
What is your preferred language?; October 03, 2008 12:23 AM
Kujo said...: Interesting quote on CNN

McCain camp states battle ground states are:

NC, VA, OH, FL, MO

If McCain wins all these states, he loses the election. He needs to add CO to win or NH to tie.

Hope no one tells them.; October 03, 2008 12:24 AM
Karen Anne said...: suzi,

I am very sorry about your dog. Please let us know how he is doing. I have a neighbor who had part of his spine collapse, and he has been making slow but definite progress even several years after that, despite the "wisdom" that all recovery happens in the first six months or max a year. So unless your dog's spinal cord was actually severed, I would not give up hope.; October 03, 2008 12:26 AM
Kujo said...: Amer, I was born in C++. This is because I don't do GUI programing. I am quite comfortable with all its difficulties like memory managements.

I understand that if I am to do GUI, then I would have to change my colors.; October 03, 2008 12:26 AM
Kujo said...: Have to go to bed now, have a colonoscopy tomorrow. Yuck; October 03, 2008 12:27 AM
Karen Anne said...: kuj/Amer,

In defense of Mike, yes, we do ramble around on various topics here, and I normally enjoy reading them all, but even I, a retired software engineer, was having my eyes roll back into my head with your discussion...; October 03, 2008 12:29 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Kujo

poor baby remember drink all of it. Put it in the frige it goes down better. AJ; October 03, 2008 12:32 AM
Joshua said...: Kujo,

I really was a fairly descent C++ programmer. Yes, I do Windows. Trying to come up with anything with a pleasing user interface using C++ would be extremely laborious. Yes, you are right. Any idiot can do C#. As long as one is comfortable with object oriented programming (OOPS).

I use Microsoft Visual Studio as my platform. And it is really easy and fun.; October 03, 2008 12:34 AM
Joshua said...: Karen,
1. I understand and appreciate your comment. The problem is that that poster seems to think that he can determine what posters can post here. And it always has to be something with which he agrees. He has no tolerance for anything else. I was going to ignore him. But poor judgment got the better of me.

2. Retired software engineer. Isn’t that kind of an oxymoron? You never quit programming when you have the bug.

I am no engineer, just a hobby. So, what is your verdict? What is your preferred language? Or does it depend on your audience?; October 03, 2008 12:40 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: colonoscopies aren't all that bad - have the doc knock you out, then have someone drive you home afterwards. worked for me!

night all - post about whatever you want - I can just scroll past the stuff I'm not interested in. this is, after all, an open thread. just remember to be polite.; October 03, 2008 12:42 AM
Joshua said...: Kujo
Colonoscopy? Then you are over fifty. Good idea. Good luck.; October 03, 2008 12:44 AM
Aunt Jean said...: AmericaFirstAndOnly

not only over fifty has a colonoscopy. They do recommend having one after you turn fifty. AJ; October 03, 2008 12:56 AM
Bob in Vancouver said...: Observation from beautiful Vancouver on the wet (very wet) coast of Canada:

Fodder for another Republican advertisement. Biden never said the word "Victory" during the entire debate. Palin said it twice, as well as telling Biden that he was "waving the white flag of surrender". Yeh, that line fell flat as a pancake.

Hell, "McCain won't even meet with the Priminister of Spain"; October 03, 2008 1:04 AM
Joshua said...: AJ
You’re right. Since I had mine, I have been unable to drink lemonade. That is what I drank for bowel prep. Now, when I see lemonade I am reminded of the bathroom…; October 03, 2008 1:07 AM
Joshua said...: Bob,
I thought that Palin provided many opportunities for ad against McCain:
1. She agrees with Cheney in the role of VP.
2. She thinks that the worst thing Cheney did was shoot some old lawyer in the face. I disagree. (It was the best thing he did). That’s a joke.
3. She agrees with Bush and she said so.
4. She criticized McCain on ANWAR.; October 03, 2008 1:11 AM
Aunt Jean said...: AmericaFirstAndOnly

that's why I told him to put it in the fridge.You can get it down better. I use to be in nursing. Haven't been in the field for about 9 years but still remember a lot. I guess there or some things you just don't forget. Or backsides LOL LOL !!! AJ; October 03, 2008 1:15 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: Some people are recommended to have colonoscopies much younger; he (or is it she?) might not be anywhere near 50.

bedtime; tomorrow is another day!

Obama/Biden '08!; October 03, 2008 1:18 AM
Joshua said...: Yes, under 50 if you have familial BRAC gene, have family history of multiple polyposis, or family history of early unset bowel carcinoma. You are right.; October 03, 2008 1:26 AM
Bob in Vancouver said...: Independent Voter:
AmericaFirstandOnly:

Thanx guys for the replies. After tonights debate "I will sleep the sleep of the saved".

Taken from Winston Churchill following England's near colapse when the US declared war on Germany; October 03, 2008 2:09 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: well, it's another day. I'm having problems posting over on other threads ... hoping that I can post here, so this is something of a test.; October 03, 2008 11:14 AM
Joshua said...: Now that the dust has settled, here is how I saw the debate last night:
Positive side:
1. Biden gave a good performance. In my opinion, his performance was better than Obama’s. At no time did he say the line that drove me crazy, “John (Sarah) is perfectly right.”
2. Biden had the 3 best memorable lines of the debate:
A. “Maverick he is not.”
B. “Dick Cheney is the most dangerous VP in our history.”
C. “McCain’s $5000 health care policy is the ultimate bridge to nowhere.”
3. Sarah Palin did not sway women voters. It seems that men were inclined to like her performance while women did not. Women (PUMA) are the ultimate wild card in this race.
Negative side:
1. Palin held her own. She did not come across like the babbling idiot I hoped. She may not have answered the questions. But that was not her objective. Republicans cannot win on issues. Their appeal in not to the forebrain and logic. Their appeal is to the limbic brain and emotion. In an interview when Palin rambled on and failed to answer the question, she came across as ditsy. But in a debate format, she is free to take the question and run with it as she sees fit.

Before the debate I checked the two sites that sell positions on who is ahead. That is, people actually put their money on their opinions, not the ridiculous polls I hear about all the time. At both sites, the odds were approximates 66 to 33 Obama’s favor. Immediately after the debate, there was a slight increase in Obama’s favor. As of this morning it has settled back to where just before the debate.

In conclusion, the debate was a non-event.; October 03, 2008 12:44 PM
Beryl said...: Sarah Palin Debate Flow Chart:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/3/43222/8057/718/618653; October 03, 2008 1:09 PM
Independent Voter said...: I'M REALLY CONFUSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME OUT! Jean? Are you there?

Prior to the passage of the bailout bill, the DOW was UP by 250+ points. AFTER the bailout passed it has fallen and is now only up by 100 points or so (back and forth around 100) now.; October 03, 2008 1:35 PM
Doug said...: IV, the market had already priced in the passage of the bill--if it hadn't passed, that would have sent stocks down again like a rocket. The jobs report, being worse than expected, is the "news" of the day.; October 03, 2008 1:48 PM
Doug said...: IV, here is a link for you:

http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2008/10/03/usjobs.html

Cheers; October 03, 2008 1:51 PM
Independent Voter said...: Doug, I understand that, but the unemployment stats had come out hours before the passage of the bill. I just find it interesting that despite the jobs news and despite the "future" vote of the bailout bill the market was up over 250 points but then fell way back.; October 03, 2008 2:01 PM
Joshua said...: Doug,
Right. Passage of the bill was already baked into the cake. I said that to my wife 2 days ago. I told her to expect the market to close down when the House passed it, and down another 500 points if they don’t.; October 03, 2008 2:04 PM

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