Democratic Convention Watch: Open Thread

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

Open Thread

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What is McCain's latest "senior moment", what does Obama need to do to win in November or whatever else is on your mind.

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Doug said...: Beryl! I was thinking of exactly the same thing! Thanks for making the suggestion!

I use some mind-mapping software that can create the kind of diagram you suggest. Since I am not an "expert" on McCain past associations I was trying to think of a way to make a public document that people could add to/edit--the program I use isn't open source...

Someone will take this up, I'm sure, and create a youtube vid that walks everyone through the diagram. :); October 09, 2008 10:11 PM
Independent Voter said...: Ok, question. Everyone KNOWS that Friday's are usually "news dump" days right? (This is when "bad" news is purposely thrown out on a Friday by a campaign as to not have the 24/7 news cycle running a story over and over and over.) Well with tomorrow being the date that the "troopergate" investigation findings are supposed to be made public, do you guys believe that it is better to get the findings out there tomorrow or should they wait until Monday as to make sure it hits all the news cycles for at least the day (if not all week)?

I guess it would depend on how the market is tomorrow.; October 09, 2008 10:13 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

Glad Bill's that he full and sound to sleep but after his med. no wonder! hahahaha.

As far as the B12 drops verses the B12 shots the drops are not very effective. Alittle but not much the shots are much better and a lot more effective.

As far as the babysitting it went well but she wore me out. She's very active like I said. She's also a little ham so needless to say I laughed a lot.But I'm glad the day is over with. AJ; October 09, 2008 10:16 PM
jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; October 09, 2008 10:18 PM
suzihussein22 said...: So McCain continues to get help turning the page away from the economy to throw s**t-

http://tinyurl.com/3v2wzf

It ain't working bub.; October 09, 2008 10:37 PM
suzihussein22 said...: I've been asked to help Dems prepare for a debate against the GOP in middle TN. It will be televised on a regional station in 2 weeks. I'll be prepping them. By this point, I can't wait. They think they can scare average citizens into voting for McCain. Not on our watch. It's supposed to be on healthcare, energy, and...gun control? We don't want no hunters doin' without semi-automatics, dontcha know?-

http://www.doubletake-media.com/movie_of_the_weak_fudd.jpg; October 09, 2008 10:48 PM
Independent Voter said...: According to HuffPo McCain has "Cleared Palin of Wrongdoing in the Troopergate Scandal. Is that how that works? You have someone investigate you and then clear yourself of the charges before the charges are reported on?; October 09, 2008 11:10 PM
Independent Voter said...: By the way - don't forget - SNL is doing their "Thursday Weekend Update".; October 09, 2008 11:11 PM
Independent Voter said...: 9:30 pm NBC; October 09, 2008 11:11 PM
suzihussein22 said...: iv dave-Of course. Don't question that one. It's so much easier when he can work like a dictator.

Anybody else read what Palin's pastor said in the same video that witchcraft was getting exorcised-

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1848420,00.html

Later in the same service, the pastor complains that "Israelites" held too many prominent positions in business, a comment that has further alienated Jewish voters.; October 09, 2008 11:15 PM
Independent Voter said...: OH MY GOD! Hong Kong down 8% and the Nikkei is down nearly 10% (at least that is according to CNN); October 09, 2008 11:33 PM
Independent Voter said...: Suzi, although I disagree with what Palin's witch doctor....er...hunter said, I have to say I hope that information gets to the OLDER Jewish voters in Florida :); October 09, 2008 11:37 PM
tmess2 said...: All that is missing from the McCain-Palin report "clearing" Governor Palin is the Governor quoting President Nixon -- "I am not a crook."; October 10, 2008 12:10 AM
Independent Voter said...: LOL tmess - Are you sure it's not in there? LOL; October 10, 2008 12:59 AM
Karen Anne said...: Beryl,

I think you can give up all hope of getting a lawn sign.

I wanted one because there's a putrid pink Women for McCain/Palin sign on a main road where I live, and I asked about the rumors I'd heard that they were very hard to get, shipped after long delays, and specifically would I get one before the election, and the answer was not likely.

She said the campaign was not emphasizing people having lawn signs.

I dunno why not, people like to have them, and surely they could charge enough to at least break even. They could hire some company to handle this.; October 10, 2008 1:08 AM
Beryl said...: One of the worse things McStupid did during the Town Hall debate was to assume a young man never heard of Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. That young man (Oliver Clark) is speaking out:

"Well Senator, I actually did. I like to think of myself as a fairly intelligent person. I have a bachelor degree in Political Science from Tennessee State, so I try to keep myself up to date with current affairs. I have a Master degree in Legal Studies from Southern Illinois University, a few years in law school, and I am currently pursuing a Master in Public Administration from the University of Memphis."

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/9/173349/097/963/625503

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/09/1523335.aspx; October 10, 2008 1:27 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Wachovia Bank is tanking, saved right now by the FDIC stepping in, not having enough cash to allow colleges and universities access to their cash in the bank, but

Somehow, Wachovia found enough cash to lend $8 million to the Republican National Campaign Committee!

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/9/144138/991/200/625265

Mike; October 10, 2008 2:21 AM
Karen Anne said...: Yes, not right.

But the Citi deal is not going thru. Wells Fargo is getting Wachovia at no cost to the taxpayer.; October 10, 2008 4:06 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Discussion?

Presuming Senator Obama wins (not too far fetched - VBG), how should he select Cabinet nominees under the following scenarios:

Should he nominate Dem Senators:

1. If the Dems have 60 seats (w/Saunders, w/o LIEberman), or 61 Senate (without LIEberman) if

a. Only if the Senator is from a state with a Democratic governor, the 'replacement' will BE a Dem (Gov is Dem and/or state law says 'replacement' Senator must be of the same party);

b. Even if the Senator who is nominated will be replaced by a Rep (example would be if Bayh were nominated, he almost certainly would be replaced by a Rep - not saying Bayh would be nominated for anything, just using him as an example).

Or

2. Dems get a majority of 56+, but not the 'magic 60' to stop filibusters:

a. Same as 'a' above;

b. Same as 'b' above.

I've been thinking of the possibilities and problems, but haven't yet really come up with an answer to either possibility.

1.a. would be a lot easier to live with than 1.b.

Should 1.b. even be considered?

What are the drawbacks of 2.b. (besides a bit smaller Dem majority in the Senate)?

Are there any Cabinet positions where you would consider a sitting Dem Senator to be the 'only' possible nominee?

Mike; October 10, 2008 6:00 AM
Karen Anne said...: Being able to stop filibusters is crucial. The lack of that ability plus the Bush vetoes is why a lot of legislation has not gotten thru up to now.

So I don't think any Democratic Senate seats should be given up unless the replacement is going to be Democratic.

You can always find someone else for a Cabinet position.; October 10, 2008 9:19 AM
Karen Anne said...: Remember the guy who made the The One video?
Here's an item from his blog:

http://cnx.com/?p=877

My Livejournal “friend” Mister Dan Kelly is spending 24 hours watching horror movies to raise money for Barack Obama. Not wishing to let him have all the fun, I’m going to do a horror marathon of my own.

From Noon, Saturday, October 18, through Noon, Sunday, October 19, 2008, I will be subjecting myself to one of the most intense forms of torture known to man. I am prepared to watch Fox “News” for 24 hours straight.

If my goal is reached by Friday the 17th, I will give up my weekend and several hours of much needed sleep that weekend subjecting myself to the horrors of whatever the Fox “News” Channel has to throw at us. I will be liveblogging and Twittering throughout the event to try and provide some comic relief for the whole mess, and if I can lay in enough SD cards, might consider taping parts of the event for posterity.

I’m willing to put my body and my sanity on the line for Barack Obama. Will you do your small part by donating to help make this possible?

Go to http://my.barackobama.com/page/outreach/view/main/foxyouobama and join in the fun. Thank you and spread the word.; October 10, 2008 9:19 AM
jean said...: Just want it to be clear that when you are under investigation you can release your OWN report and your OWN findings and there you go.
You are now clear of wrong doing, just ask the Republicans.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/news/ap/politics/2008/Oct/10/palin_pre_empts_state_report__clears_self_in_probe.html

I also want you to know that according to Sarah Palin, our energy expert, the USA has a ban on exporting Oil.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/news/ap/politics/2008/Oct/10/palin_wrongly_suggests_congress_bans_oil_exports.html

Is anyone getting more scared of these wack jobs?
jean; October 10, 2008 10:43 AM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Good morning everybody. I'm at home today, but not to my own choosing. The company I work for is being heavily affected by the Boeing stike. Boeing makes up about 60% our business. Therefore, many of us have been forced to work 4-day weeks. Accrued vacation days help with that 5th day, and some have opted to 1-day a week unemployment to keep from using their vacation days. One of our sister companies in California have laid off 40% of their work force. Hopefully the talks that finally started this week at Boeing will come to some type of an agreement very, very soon. Vacation days and unemployment only last for so long.; October 10, 2008 11:11 AM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Sorry this is such a gloomy post:

The situation is more than at a critical point in America and the World. More people will be finding the pinch of the economy hitting them personally. If you are fortunate, you will be able to keep your job and make ends meet until the economy turns around, but when a company's stock that was at $100 a share this year has dropped to under $20 a share, it hits retirement accounts and 401k's. If you don't have to touch those accounts you will be ok, but if you loose your job or are retiring, you have to do something with those accounts, and that means losing a ton of $$$.

The 200 year old company that I currently work for has recieved a foriegn investment worth 20-25% of the company and is being rumored in Merger talks. The CEO & CFO have been holding Town Halls almost everyday to calm folks down, but they even mention the need to cut costs and have been taking steps to outsource more of the work. I'm a luck one to have a Military Retirement and Disability check to fall back on, but the rumors are killing peoples productiveness - and it's the people and their work ethic that had made this company strong. I even have staff starting to go to counceling because they are feeling hopeless. It's not pretty.

Bush & Cheney should have been impeached a long time ago, now we all will have to pay for their inaction and ignorance.

I just hope everyone on here can survive the next 6-9 months. It will take that long for things to start to turn around.

They were afraid to call it a recession, now we have entered a world depression. It's going to be a rocky road. If you have money and have time, it's about to be a good oppertunity to secure your future. Some won't be so lucky.; October 10, 2008 12:02 PM
Doug said...: Emit, I feel for you and the situation your company is in, and I am sure your story is being repeated all over the US. I have worked at a company that was slowly going under and it had the feeling of being on the Titantic--helpless and hopeless.

But... things are going to turn around. The IMF predicts world growth will be the lowest it has been in many years... only about 3% worldwide. What is distinctly different from the 1930's is the percentage of the world economy represented by the US and Europe. China and India in particular are large economies, and will continue to grow.

We are in the middle of a hurricane now, but it will calm down and we will get through this. In rebuilding the western economies we will rediscover some of the lessons learned from the '30's... that we need to come together, help each other out, to get everyone back on their feet.

Hang in there Emit!; October 10, 2008 12:17 PM
Doug said...: On the same note, I want to highlight an article currently on RCP:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/10/deficits_or_not_spending_must.html

It is titled on the RCP site as Hope versus Fear, and says in part:

"In this financial catastrophe, last week's unthinkable idea quickly becomes this week's imperative. The Bush administration is wisely contemplating following the lead of British Prime Minister Gordon Brown in having government take ownership shares in many banks to get them more cash and allow them to lend again.

If Obama had suggested such a thing, he would have been condemned as a socialist and the administration might well have had to shelve a necessary idea. Better that the candidates acknowledge that they are powerless until after Nov. 4.

As for cutting back on their programs because the government is spending and lending so much to save the economy, the candidates should just say no to the deficit carpers."

...

"If you think the number of Americans without health insurance is too high now, wait until this recession really kicks in. Few investments would help businesses more than offloading a share of their health care costs to the government. It's social justice with an economic kick."

I particularly want to pick up on the last point: solving the health care problem in the US is, it seems to me from Canada, the biggest problem and potentially the biggest solution. Health insurance is a huge problem for US employers, and the fear of losing health insurance is a big problem for US workers. Both employers and workers are held hostage to the Pharmaceutical and Health Insurance industries.

An American "New Deal" that addresses this issue would help the US economy immeasurably, and allow "hope" to beat "fear", hands down!; October 10, 2008 12:31 PM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Well, my last post was way too negative. LOL

Bad economy, bad for McLame.... The CNN Ticker had a proposal by him on suspending the age forced withdrawal on 401k's and IRAs. In principle a good idea so folks don't have to withdraw their IRA and 401 money while the market blown through the floor and is chiseling through the basement floor. It would be even better if he proposed to allow people laid off to not have to cash out or move their 401k's. It's a gimmick, but has some fairness for older folks.

Still, McInsane is off his rocker and has gotten to the point he is only repeating the garbage that his repubilcan handlers are feeding him. The dude is worthless.

Like AP said, less than 4 weeks to go...., January is going to be a giant party!; October 10, 2008 2:16 PM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Had an employee walk up to me yesterday that asked a political question that I found amazing, but several people overheard and it may bring a few more votes to Obama so I'll share. ;o)

She made a comment about really feeling depressed about Texas being a Republican Electoral State and that her vote wouldn't count. She thought that just because it was a "republican" State, that their electorial votes were determined already. She got a lesson on the popular vote decided who get's Texas's EVs, and that if enough folks (Dems, Inds, Reps) voted for Obama, Obama would win Texas and the EVs for Texas. Seh went back to work with a smile. She said she was looking forward to 11/4. Several others in the area said they didn't know how the EVs were decided for Texas.

I know we have several other Texan's on this board. We will turn Texas Blue this year. It will go good with the State flower!; October 10, 2008 2:25 PM
Karen Anne said...: Ruby,

I'm thinking good thoughts for you and your fellow workers.; October 10, 2008 2:36 PM
Doug said...: Well here is something to gladden everyone's day--Faux News has a new national poll out, Obama +7. The best part is that McFailin poll at 39%, which has to be a new low for them!; October 10, 2008 3:08 PM
Doug said...: Hey Jean, I am taking the Chargers again, Seattle, Atlanta, Indy... these are mostly toss up games so if you take the other team one of us will win! :); October 10, 2008 3:31 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Hilarious and scary at the same time.

Sarah Palin Remix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRNNPDnuIxU

Not my kind of music but the vid is pretty good.; October 10, 2008 3:45 PM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Flag Pins:

Obama wears one that a Vet gave him on the campaign trail.

Biden, never seen him without one.

Palin, Her's appears to have the Dollar symbol under the flag (thepole and rope form a $)

McSelf, never seen him with one.

Hum.........

;o); October 10, 2008 4:00 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Everyone needs to see this one...

74 year old woman's video about Obama

"On the Beach with Obama"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBEMa2GJh6U; October 10, 2008 4:08 PM
jean said...: doug,
I will go with the Chargers and without looking at the rest of the games go opposite of you.
I feel this will increase our chances, obviously, to SOME kind of decent record, LOL.

What a wild ride today, only down 128pts and NASDAQ actually had a little gain.
Simply, I am getting to old for this kind of ****. And I just fit into the bracket.

Obama's proposal for small business looks really good and it does look like there is another stimulus package.
I have a three day weekend because of Banks closed on Monday, Kids don't and husband doesn't and I have to figure out what to do.

Probally clean the house.

jean; October 10, 2008 4:21 PM
Karen Anne said...: Leah,

Terrific video. Wish I was friend of that woman.; October 10, 2008 4:23 PM
Beryl said...: Ruby, Emit,et al

I'm really sorry to hear about the on-the-job problems. This economy is hurting many! We need jobs and all the Repigs can do is incite riot with false accusations. Shame on them!

Stay strong. We will win this thing and take our country back.; October 10, 2008 4:29 PM
jean said...: leah,
Great video. Classy woman.
jean; October 10, 2008 4:34 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

the video : On the beach with Obama was GREAT!!!!!! It sent goose bumps up my arms. AJ; October 10, 2008 4:43 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Good article...

FOUND! McCain Campaign’s SECRET Strategy Guide!

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/McCamy%20Taylor/313

Excerpt:
John McCain for President 2008 End of Days Strategy Guide it is more commonly known as Mein Kampf by Adolph Hitler.; October 10, 2008 5:47 PM
jean said...: You have got to be kidding me.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/10/new-york-countys-ballots-print-%e2%80%98barack-osama%e2%80%99/

jean; October 10, 2008 5:48 PM
Beryl said...: That is no mistake and you know it. And WTF is this
"They also said the error affected just a few hundred voters, and that they will re-send corrected ballots on request. "

They need to resend to the few hundred voters and not wait for a request. I hope the NY voters are all over this ish.; October 10, 2008 6:05 PM
Minnesota For Obama said...: Can i ask why it says John McCain under the Republican and appears to be his name for the independance too?; October 10, 2008 6:09 PM
jean said...: beryl,
This is going to be on Palin's stump and you know it.
This is a total crock of crap.
jean; October 10, 2008 6:12 PM
jean said...: minnesota for obama,
Holy CRAP AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was so floored by the first that I didn't catch that.
Nice catch.
Something definitely needs to be done.
jean; October 10, 2008 6:14 PM
Beryl said...: I'm telling you that the Repigs have not gotten the memo about Democrats in 2008.

1. 2008 Democrats are not going to accept illegal actions.

2. 2008 Democrats will not accept unethical actions.

3. 2008 Democrats will speak truth to power and then litigate.

The Repigs are scared and they should be.; October 10, 2008 6:22 PM
jean said...: After I looked at it I think that Independance for Obama is below that.
We cannot jump the gun, like I did,
with stuff like that.
Sorry I jumped, that makes me look just as bad as the Repuds.
jean; October 10, 2008 6:24 PM
jean said...: A Newsweek Poll just came out and has Obama up 11pts. On RealClearPolitics.
jean; October 10, 2008 6:31 PM
Doug said...: ...and the poll recap on 538 is interesting, too. Best week ever for Obama.; October 10, 2008 6:37 PM
Independent Voter said...: Minnesota and Beryl,

New York is one of the FEW states that allow "Cross-filing". This allows them to be on the ballot more than once.

The state's "Independence Party" (provided there was an "Independence Party" prior to this election cycle) allowed them to use it. This gives them an extra line and votes that come in under both of those will be counted toward their candidacy (provided only one is marked on each ballot.) For those who are "confused" about it, it is a VERY good thing. Reason? If they mark BOTH boxes on the same ballot, that ballot is thrown out. :); October 10, 2008 6:46 PM
jean said...: Indy,
I love you cloud with a silver lining thought LOL.
jean; October 10, 2008 7:04 PM
jean said...: Indy,
I meant I love your , not I love you , but I still do anyway:)
jean; October 10, 2008 7:17 PM
jean said...: Just WOW.
Buckley endorses Obama.
The tide HAS turned.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/10/a-buckley-endorses-obama/

jean; October 10, 2008 8:26 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Just in on MSNBC: Palin abused her power!!!! Details coming in...; October 10, 2008 8:28 PM
suzihussein22 said...: aunt jean-The great niece actually sounds like a lot of fun. My son would only take cat naps during the day, but my daughter would take 2 regular naps a day. I would like a chance to babysit myself. The kids would love to too.

iv dave-Double whammy on the pt and exam. Ouch! What's the expression for that? All good things must happen? :)

jean-I love you guys too.

Just to brag a little bit, the debate coordinator wonders why he didn't find me sooner. I've already got the outline ready. They just want to double check my sources, some of which of course came from here. I just have to get used to the camera. They might need me in case the debator has something come up. I need to get a haircut I guess. HRC was right. You don't realize what it takes for a woman to get ready for the public. Speaking of which, that clip of HRC will probably come in handy to help wrap up the closing statement. Wish us luck.

Sarge is improving quickly. We had to get his other front shoulder relocated. Therapy, medicine, and prayers are doing their thing. :D; October 10, 2008 8:34 PM
Beryl said...: Committee Finds Governor Sarah Palin Abused Power as Alaska Governor!!!

Just in on MSNBC.

Report: Palin abused power, broke no laws in trooper case casehttp://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/palin.investigation/index.html; October 10, 2008 8:37 PM
suzihussein22 said...: ruby-I could kiss you! :) Great news!; October 10, 2008 8:39 PM
Beryl said...: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27105917/

They say she has broken state law and violated public trust.

More to come.

Whoo Hoo!

She's toast!; October 10, 2008 8:39 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: What's up?? CNN says she broke no laws, and MSNBC says she broke State Law. Which one is right?; October 10, 2008 8:39 PM
suzihussein22 said...: beryl-I could kiss you too! Everybody keep posting the good news and my lips will be tired!LOL; October 10, 2008 8:40 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Ruby in Kansas

yes she abused her powers but they said that she didn't break any laws. The sorry dog that's what sarahcuda is. AJ; October 10, 2008 8:40 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: TMP says...

The report finds that Gov. Sarah Palin "abused her power" in violation of Alaska law.

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She had a right to fire the guy but not a right to 'abuse her power' - so she still can come up on charges.; October 10, 2008 8:41 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Palin's Alaska newspaper...

http://frontiersman.com/

Palin abused power, reports finds
Friday, October 10, 2008 4:26 PM AKDT

ANCHORAGE -- The long awaited Troopergate report says Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power by violating an Alaska Statute of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.; October 10, 2008 8:46 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Aunt Jean, I understand what you're saying, but when the news first broke on MSNBC, they (the guy filling in for Olbermann and some guy from Alaska) specifically said that she broke State Law. Perhaps MSNBC got the story wrong on that point, but they did say it.
Also, even if she didn't break the law, she still violated the public trust. "Trust" is one of the key words Palin has been trying to hit Obama on.; October 10, 2008 8:48 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Hey everyone I hope Sarahcuda gets a lot of NEG. words on this.

On CNN at a McLame rally a supporter said that she couldn't vote for Obama because he was a Arab but McLame corrected her on the spot. I be damn I couldn't believe it. AJ; October 10, 2008 8:51 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: There are TWO separate issues here.

1) Palin did not break the law by firing the commissioner.

2) Palin DID break the law by 'abusing her power'.; October 10, 2008 8:55 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: "There are TWO separate issues here"

Thank you. I get it.; October 10, 2008 9:03 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Does anybody know where to find this statistic, not to distract from the breaking news?-

in all media is stated that 90% of McCain allegations are FALSE or MISLEAD

That percentage sounds familiar...oh yeah, could it be because that's how much of a reformer he's been with Bush?; October 10, 2008 9:06 PM
Independent Voter said...: And issue #2 (she abused her power) goes more to an "ethics violation" which is the equivalent of a slap on the wrist of being "in violation of the public's trust".; October 10, 2008 9:07 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Indy-

But Palin is running her race on being a top notch ETHICS REFORMER.

So, she will be getting more than a slap on the wrist. Her career will be going down the drain and her credibility will be ZERO ;); October 10, 2008 9:20 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: I think Walter Monegan will be on the Rachel Maddow show in a few minutes (probably by phone).; October 10, 2008 9:24 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: It was just said that if the State of Alaska decides and gets a enough votes to do so, Sarah Palin could possbily be a candidate for IMPEACHMENT!

Leah, it was also repeated that the violation of public trust is a violation of State law.; October 10, 2008 9:31 PM
Independent Voter said...: Leah - I agree with you, I think there is going to be a public "smack down" of Palin, and although it is a violation that could be considered an "impeachable offense", I personally don't think it will lead to that. Why? 14 Repubs and 5 Dems. You tell me. LOL; October 10, 2008 9:37 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Now they also need to highlight the conflicts of interest, like helping fund her husband's snowmobile races and funding a youth center at a church she visits often-

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081010/pl_politico/14471;_ylt=AuQkMlAKBMPcdcavwQ6Q9KNh24cA; October 10, 2008 9:38 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Dave, I see where you're coming from on the 14 Repubs and 5 Dems, but wasn't it the Republicans that wanted the investigation??; October 10, 2008 9:39 PM
Independent Voter said...: Ruby, yes it was; however, I think that the AK legislature (like the presidential race) has become extremely partisan at this point. I think the damage is done at this point. I think I smell a recall campaign taking place :)

You have to remember that they will need at least 9 legislators to vote for impeachment and I simply don't think they would be able to get 4 Repubs to vote for it. I don't even think that all 5 of the Dems would do it either. I think they probably think that at this point it would "appear" as a witch hunt unless they could for sure get all the votes for not only impeachment but ALSO for conviction.; October 10, 2008 9:42 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Suzi, I can't find anything that specifically addresses "90% of McCain allegations are FALSE or MISLEAD", so perhaps it does have something to do with "that's how much of a reformer he's been with Bush".; October 10, 2008 9:44 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: And the vote to release the report to the public was

Yes - 12
No - 0

with the majority of the folks being republicans.; October 10, 2008 9:45 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Good point, Dave.; October 10, 2008 9:46 PM
Independent Voter said...: Suzi, UN-F'in-REAL! I wonder if she would have supported the "youth center" if it were for a Muslim Mosque? Or a Jewish Synagogue?

Of course those are rhetorical questions.

Why should it be a "Christian Youth Center?" Why not simply a "City Youth Center?" Meaning religion neutral.; October 10, 2008 9:47 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Well that was a great 'October Surprise'.

Do ya'll think that there are more on the way?; October 10, 2008 9:48 PM
Independent Voter said...: Leah - voting in favor of releasing the report and actually holding impeachment and removal hearings are completely different issues.

The ONLY way the Repubs would do it at this point is if they believed it would save their OWN political careers.

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Unfortunately Colin Powell "vouched" for Stephens today, but what a happy day it would be if Stephens is found guilty! :); October 10, 2008 9:50 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: I DON'T BELIEVE IT!!! The McCain campaign is somehow spinning this to be the Obama Supporters fault as to the unsubstantial findings of the investigation.

Leah said: Do ya'll think that there are more on the way?

As Obama said, "this is not the end, this is only the beginning."; October 10, 2008 9:55 PM
suzihussein22 said...: leah-I love the irony of that kind of surprise! I'm glad Ive never received one of those. I would rather be surprised by pretty the leaves will be in October in spite of the drought.; October 10, 2008 9:55 PM
suzihussein22 said...: iv dave-A synogague would have too many Jewish business people though.

Another rhetorical statement. :~; October 10, 2008 9:59 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Ruby-

Yep, I heard McCain's statement on MSNBC. HOW RIDICULOUS! I was going to copy and paste his comment here for everyone but I can't find it online yet.; October 10, 2008 10:00 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; October 10, 2008 10:01 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Here it is Leah. (See Update #2)
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/10/1531677.aspx; October 10, 2008 10:16 PM
Independent Voter said...: After a week of McShrub riling up his supporters and people yelling out "terrorist", "traitor", "kill him", "treason", and "bomb Obama", he FINALLY defended Obama against these attacks from some of his supporters.

Perhaps he is finally realizing that their tactics are NOT going to work, NOT THIS TIME!; October 10, 2008 10:23 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Ruby in Kansas

I can't seem to get that link open .AJ; October 10, 2008 10:25 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; October 10, 2008 10:30 PM
Independent Voter said...: Here you go AJ, try THIS.; October 10, 2008 10:35 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: For some reason the website address gets cut off. Here's the statement:

*** UPDATE 2 *** The McCain-Palin campaign reacted to the report with the following statement from spokesperson Meg Stapleton: ""Today's report shows that the Governor acted within her proper and lawful authority in the reassignment of Walt Monegan. The report also illustrates what we've known all along: this was a partisan led inquiry run by Obama supporters and the Palins were completely justified in their concern regarding Trooper Wooten given his violent and rogue behavior. Lacking evidence to support the original Monegan allegation, the Legislative Council seriously overreached, making a tortured argument to find fault without basis in law or fact. The Governor is looking forward to cooperating with the Personnel Board and continuing her conversation with the American people regarding the important issues facing the country."

This website address can get you there. Scroll down to the "4th block" and you will see "Panel: Palin unlawfully abused authority"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/; October 10, 2008 10:38 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Hey Dave. How did you do that? Link within a word? That is so cool.; October 10, 2008 10:39 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave thanks. How is the therapy going for Bill? AJ; October 10, 2008 10:47 PM
Independent Voter said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; October 10, 2008 10:58 PM
Independent Voter said...: Ruby follow THIS LINK.

The instructions are at the top of the page. Unfortunately it is extremely difficult to type in the instructions here because it thinks you are trying to put in the html tags. :(; October 10, 2008 11:00 PM
Beryl said...: Dave,
McPalin simply doesn't want to go to jail. If any of his crazy supporters harm a hair on an Obama's head, I guarantee you he and his posse will be brought up on charges. Also, If a race riot breaks out at one of McPalin rallies, they will be charged with inciting a riot and go to jail. Hate crimes are federal crimes.

Some Repigs are distancing themselves from this for obvious reasons. It won't be just McPalin going to jail -- we will round them all up.

Believe that.; October 10, 2008 11:01 PM
Independent Voter said...: AJ,

It went well yesterday (first day). He has PT twice a week (starting next week), Mondays and Thursdays.

How are you tonight?; October 10, 2008 11:01 PM
Independent Voter said...: Beryl,

True, but at least he has FINALLY come out and said something.; October 10, 2008 11:03 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Dave,

But did you see that when he told the 'audience' to be respectful of Senator Obama, he got booed?

CBS article at:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/10/politics/fromtheroad/entry4514569.shtml

Also, here's some video from Countdown:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434 , then scroll down to 'Countdown' and click "McCain's smear campaign too effective?"

Mike; October 10, 2008 11:05 PM
Beryl said...: Yes, MiM - his own supporters don't want to see him back off of Obama. He has let the genie (or the devil) out the bottle and they don't want to return to a civil debate.

I honestly feel that the majority of the country is better than that. I think the Repig tactic is backfiring on him.

Rachel Maddow covered this issue excellently today.; October 10, 2008 11:13 PM
Independent Voter said...: Mike, ya I saw that. Which is fine. I have the feeling that we are going to see McShrub toning down his rhetoric at his campaign events. I also think that Stalin will be toning hers down. (I hope I'm right.) If they don't, I will have been proven wrong, but I think their internal polling has found that the strategy is ONLY helping them among their far reich-wing base and is completely turning independents away from them which they will NEED the independents if they want to have any chance at winning. And McShrub also has to realize that he MUST face his colleagues in the senate if he loses. Nobody would be willing to work with him in the senate if they don't trust him to "do the right thing".; October 10, 2008 11:15 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave
I'm doing quite well tonight just real tired. I didn't sleep very well last night. Tomorrow I have to go for a gall bladder ultrasound. The bad thing is I can't eat or drink anything after midnight which really sucks.

Why is it when you can't eat or drink you really want to eat and drink. LOL LOL AJ; October 10, 2008 11:16 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Dave said: Ruby follow THIS LINK.

Good grief Dave! I think I'll take my chances with the old fashion way of cut and paste. LOL

Thank you anyway!!; October 10, 2008 11:22 PM
Beryl said...: AJ - gall bladder ultrasound? I haven't been following the threads closely. Are you OK?

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Can you believe how the Repigs are spinning the BIPARTISAN probe as being a Democrat witch hunt?; October 10, 2008 11:22 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Will the Troopergate verdict affect the tone of the upcoming debate for McCain?? He promised red meat for the wolf pack.; October 10, 2008 11:27 PM
tmess2 said...: Right now, Senator McCain is facing one of the toughest choices that a politician ever faces -- does he want to be President or does he want to be able to live with his conscience.

As nasty as this campaign has been, it is only now approaching that point. The events of the past week are beginning to bring home to McCain that the only chance he has to win (barring a game changing event beyond his control) is to go full-bore with the thermonuclear attack on Senator Obama that would destroy this country and legitimize some very very racist groups.

Over this weekend, he will have to decide does he run the ads that his Rovian advisors want him to run and do the attacks in the debate that his followers want or does he decide to pull back and run a mostly positive campaign to allow him to end the campaign with grace and dignity.; October 10, 2008 11:28 PM
Independent Voter said...: Dana Gould (whom I have never heard of until tonight), on Bill Maher, made an excellent crack about Palin. He referred to her as an "evangelical dominatrix". I LOVE IT!; October 10, 2008 11:31 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Beryl

I've got a bad gall bladder. I've had a bad one for a few years just been putting it off. They will probable want to take it out. Oh well I will probable be saying
au revoir to a part of me LOL. AJ; October 10, 2008 11:32 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Ruby. The only reason I do do that is so that people don't have to cut and paste into the address bar. I just think it is easier for everyone else.....that's all.; October 10, 2008 11:33 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

so you dodo that! What color is it. LMAO AJ; October 10, 2008 11:35 PM
Independent Voter said...: ROFLMAO AJ. UGH! Long week. Plus I'm watching Bill Maher....I love his show.; October 10, 2008 11:37 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave you stepped off in that one!!!
I'm sorry but the devil made me do it. LOL LOL AJ; October 10, 2008 11:37 PM
Independent Voter said...: AJ, stepped off? or stepped into? LOL!; October 10, 2008 11:41 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave you are a funny guy like haha. LOL AJ; October 10, 2008 11:46 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Well everyone
I'm going to call it a night because if I don't I will being wanting something to eat or drink and I still have to take a shower. So goodnight and sweet dreams. AJ; October 11, 2008 12:30 AM
suzihussein22 said...: aunt jean-Ugh. It shouldn't be too bad. The details are finally starting to blur, but it wasn't fun for a baby ultrasound either. My blood pressure was so low anyway I almost passed out and had to have a blood test from the back of my hand. Ouch. Hang in there.

m in md-I hadn't forgotten you asked a discussion question, but I haven't gotten my thoughts wrapped around it yet. Take care.

Have a good night, y'all folks. I can't wait for early voting now. The Reps are just getting quieter and quieter around here. I'm starting to wonder about the Gore effect. Who thought Bush would be able to carry TN in 2000?; October 11, 2008 12:55 AM
Beryl said...: Gallbladder -- I had mine removed in May and my mother had hers out 1 month (almost to the day) after. Only 4 little laser surgery spots remain. It was a very easy surgery. Mom is fine too.; October 11, 2008 1:28 AM
Kujo said...: Its funny, when I think of McCain, I think of the Seinfeld episode when George realizes that he makes all the wrong decisions in life and decides to do the opposite.

This is McCain. He has run the worst campaign I think in the history of politics.

To be truthful, so did Hillary. Don't get me wrong, I am not a Hillery hater, I did like Obama better then her but I also like Biden better then Obama, at least back then....

The point is Hillary made all the wrong decisions too. She went up in the polls when she showed emotions, but did she learn... no She went on to do negitative attacks agains Obama.

(The truth is Obama needs to thank Hillary. By running a full campaing and attacking Obama... months ago, it has taken away all the amo from the Repubs...)

Now getting to the point (again). McCain is using the same strategy as Hillary. Not realizing that everyone is sick of the attacks, and the lies and this brings him down. Most people see through Palin. If he ran an honest campaign, this race would be much closer.; October 11, 2008 2:20 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Kujo

I have to totally disagree with you about Hillary her campaign wasn't run even close to how McLame runs his. I won't go there but I will say this with the medias help they made moutains out of mole hills. So I would appreciate it very much if you wouldn't compare in anyway Hillary to McLame I find it very offensive!!!!!!! AJ; October 11, 2008 8:03 AM
Karen Anne said...: I agree with AJ on this. Hillary wasn't even on the same planet with the hateful stuff McShame/Gidget have been pulling.

Plus, her video that was posted on the home page a few days ago makes it clear she thinks it would be a disaster if McShame got elected.

She made some mistakes in her campaign, as did Biden years ago, but I don't expect people to be perfect, and I think they're both learned.

Obama/Biden 2008/2012, Hillary 2016.; October 11, 2008 9:08 AM
Independent Voter said...: AJ, Good luck today with your ultrasound. Don't starve yourself too long afterwards...LOL

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As far as what Kujo was saying, I don't think he was knocking Hillary, I think what he was getting at is that so many people were paying attention during the primaries that by bringing up Ayers, Wright, Rezko, etc. at that time, that it was indeed SHE that diffused the situation among independents now. Meaning that all of these issues could have been considered an "October Surprise" had she not brought it up back then.

I don't think he was suggesting that Hillary had done anything near the caliber compared to what the McShrub campaign has been doing in recent weeks. Now did Hillary make mistakes during the primary? We can all agree that she did, but at the same time so did Obama. Obama never should have brought up Walmart because it opened the door for Rezko and Ayers. McShrub never should have gone after Ayers, because it opened the door for the Keating 5, G. Gordon Liddy, and David Ifshin.

Again he wasn't comparing the caliber of the attacks, he was saying that since these attack (granted on a lower level) were brought up during the primary, that they are pretty much useless now, because they have been diffused already mostly due to Hillary's credit.; October 11, 2008 9:53 AM
Beryl said...: HRC questioned Obama's "readiness" from an experience perspective but not his character. That is the big difference. Most of her attacks were fair.

"(The truth is Obama needs to thank Hillary. By running a full campaing and attacking Obama... months ago, it has taken away all the amo from the Repubs...)"

Obama has acknowledged this. HRC's negative campaigning gave Obama the workout he needed to better face the Repigs. For this, I thank HRC!

I really hope Bill comes out now and seals the deal in WV, OH, & IN.; October 11, 2008 11:34 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Breaking News!

It was a McCain CAMPAIGN VOLUNTEER (from McCain headquarters) yesterday that told McCain that she thought Obama was Arab - the volunteer and other volunteers have been sending out letters that say that and much more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8XmerZEyHE

Dana Bash from CNN is also in the video talking to the woman, so maybe this will be exposed on CNN - I hope so!; October 11, 2008 12:01 PM
Beryl said...: That is news, Leah. I sent it to Huff, MSNBC and others. They need to get it out there that McCain's volunteers admit to spreading lies about Obama.

He is hypocrite-maximus.; October 11, 2008 12:21 PM
Kujo said...: I have been popping in and out so sorry for late responses.

I really could not respond better then what Indy said.

Many people got on Hillary for not dropping out of the race. She continued to run her campaign and run it honorably (many may have disagreed at the time, but after seeing McCain run now may understand that what she did in an honorable way)

She also left the race Honorably and continued to support Obama Honorably by campaigning for him. I think Hillary and Bill will be the deciding factor for many voters in Florida.

So in summary, I am honoring what Hillary did and hope that in future primaries getting out of the race will not be a topic. People should bring up issues without being obnoxious about it. Force the future candidates to defend themselves and prepare for the GE.

As Indy pointed out, she raised these issues in the primary. Issues like these are "fluff". They carry alot of weight when they are first brought up, expecially when there is no other news going on. Look how long Rev Wright stayed in the news.

This diffused weapons from the Repubs, what do they have now to attack with. Yes the news fires up the base, but does nothing with 70% of the electorate.

The second point I was making is McCain has taken many the same mistakes as was done in the Hillary campaign. I really don't have any issues with Hillary, but the fact is Obama should not of beat her. This was a very close race and the tipping point could be argued as disorganization in the campaign and not understanding what the electorate wants to hear.

While I agree Hillary never came close to negative campaigning as McShame, she did bring up many of the issues. The difference was back then, since these issues where first comming up, all they had to do was let advisers bring up the issues to the press and let the press take over. In McShames case (with Palin), its more like diarrhea of the mouth.

But point with this is that for the most part, Hillary was much more successfull when she showed compassion and talked of issues( Except for maybe PA where Rev Wright was more the issue)
When she showed emotions in NH. At the end of the debate when she said everone is going to be ok..... People loved that.

McCain just does not get it. This is a different electorate this year.

But one the other side of the coin... We still have to watch it.

McCain strategy I believe a hidden one. Forget the Swing Dems. Forget the Indy's. Go for the base.

What he is trying to do now is make the polls wrong by making there assumptions wrong on what the percent Repubs show up; What the percent Evangelist show up VS the youth vote, vs the minority vote.

Its his last chance.; October 11, 2008 12:46 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Legislators Talk Troopergate video.

http://community.adn.com/mini_apps/vmix/player.php?ID=2270632

If the link doesn't work, you'll find the video at: http://www.adn.com; October 11, 2008 2:40 PM
suzihussein22 said...: iv dave-What a coincidence after I mention the conflicts of interest, now there's the blurring between church and state and misusing taxpayers' dollars-

http://tinyurl.com/3wwqzm; October 11, 2008 3:29 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: McCain/Palin

Guilt by Associations

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-lux/guilt-by-associations_b_133758.html

Good list of bad folks!; October 11, 2008 4:23 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I am still waiting for Texas to turn blue on this map...

http://election.princeton.edu/electoral-college-map/; October 11, 2008 4:51 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Bravo!!!

Two young Alaskan women speak out about Sarah Palin.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x212469

.; October 11, 2008 5:04 PM
Beryl said...: The McCain campaign is exactly as John Lewis described. Today, McCain Surrogate Ben Porritt repeated the "Obama pals around with terrorist claim" on MSNBC. He was given multiple chances to recant but he proudly repeated the claim.

McCain and Palin are stoking racism and violence similar to the time of Governor Wallace. Nothing McCain has done over the last couple of days has changed the atmosphere and tone of his campaign.; October 11, 2008 5:52 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: It appears as though ALL the McCain surrogates haven't received the memo to back off the Ayers and pallin' with terroist insinuations. MSNBC just had a representative from the McCain campaign repeating the exact same talking points that Sarah Palin started a week ago. Newsman Shuster (I think that's how you spell it) kept saying, "I'm going to give you ANOTHER chance to back away from those statements". The dirt wad kept repeating it. HMPH! And now, another Republican Strategist (David Blakeman) is backing up the first guys comments! UNBELIEVABLE!; October 11, 2008 5:57 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Beryl: You must type faster than me. LOL; October 11, 2008 5:59 PM
Doug said...: The stuff that is going on right now reminds me of the 4th quarter of a blowout between two rivals. The losing team tries everything to goad the winning team into a mistake. In the game the best response is always to smile, and point to the scoreboard and the clock...

Leah, that vid of the man with the monkey doll sums up so much. Anyone watching it will see the shame of that man's racist views being exposed. No one watching it will want to be "that guy". It provokes the thought, I think, "isn't it time we moved past this and let the angels of our better nature shine through?"; October 11, 2008 6:03 PM
Beryl said...: LOL @ Ruby

I couldn't believe how many times he was given the opportunity to tow the new party line. He stuck with his story.

Republicans are scum-bags.; October 11, 2008 6:04 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: My thoughts on John Lewis. He said exacly what's going on with McCain's campaign. I just pray it doesn't get spun to point of somehow McCain being portrayed as the victim since he's trying to be all nicey-nicey for thirty seconds.; October 11, 2008 6:17 PM
jean said...: This puts some spin and the man is correct.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/11/mccain.lewis/index.html

Talk about McCain and Palin are going down.

jean; October 11, 2008 6:17 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: The places I go several times a day (not including all the EV projection sites) are:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
http://nytimes.com/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/politics/
http://www.foxnews.com/
http://www.politico.com/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/
http://thepage.time.com/
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/

I recently found:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/

on the left side of that page they add good videos several times a day.

Are there any political websites that ya'll go to a lot that update frequently? I feel as if I'm missing one or two ;); October 11, 2008 6:19 PM
jean said...: leah,
Great list, thanks.
jean; October 11, 2008 6:21 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Did Sports Complex Contractors Build Palin's House for Free?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/11/111018/34/47/627460

.; October 11, 2008 6:31 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Leah, we have almost the same websites. You had a few that I didn't have. And I love this democratic underground website! On the lighter side, let's not forget about The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. He definitely keeps it real in politics. HAHAHA!!! http://www.thedailyshow.com/; October 11, 2008 6:40 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: I was looking at John Lewis' statement -- scary. Loved the Obama campaign reply, though - "look, what John Lewis said was wrong, but what Sarah Palin is saying about Obama 'palling around with terrorists' is wrong, too."

John tried to throw something at Obama, but it turned into a boomerang in mid-flight.; October 11, 2008 6:50 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Well this one will make you think...

U.S. Army Prepares To Invade U.S.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x212579

.; October 11, 2008 6:51 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: what? I'll go look Leah.; October 11, 2008 7:07 PM
tmess2 said...: Leah, I hit the greenpapers site for procedural stuff and some of the state sites like Fired Up Missouri and Burnt Orange (might be in exile but can still keep up on the home folks).; October 11, 2008 7:37 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Leah, I saw another youtube video of something along those same lines. It was two African American men warning people that had gathered to hear them speak (somewhere in the South) about this very thing. VERY SCARY STUFF!!!; October 11, 2008 9:08 PM
apissedant said...: Hey,
Long time no speak.

Leah, I gotta tell you, I find that video both boring and crazy. How did George Washington squash the Whiskey Rebellion?
Through military might.
I am not terrified of my government. Government is a great institution. It is of the people, for the people, and most importantly, BY the people.

We're winning this election. Some of the major problems that we have had, both with the government going beyond what the Constitution would allow, and refusing to do what other laws require, will soon end.

Let's not get crazy or paranoid.; October 11, 2008 9:50 PM
apissedant said...: OBAMA/BIDEN 'O8 OBAMA/BIDEN '08 OBAMA/BIDEN UP BY 8 IN '08!!!; October 11, 2008 9:53 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama '08; October 11, 2008 9:53 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Good job apissedant :); October 11, 2008 9:54 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: I don't know if anyone has seen and heard the video of Palin getting booed or not, but here's a youtube video where you can actually hear the boos over that tremendous musical fanfare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zgI0hyQN-w; October 11, 2008 9:57 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: I guess I should have explained that she was dropping the hockey puck at a game, like someone pitching the first baseball at a game.; October 11, 2008 9:59 PM
Independent Voter said...: Ok Ruby,

Look at that video again! Her daughter is right along side of her. Does she look like she is 7 months pregnant?; October 11, 2008 10:05 PM
Independent Voter said...: OOPS! my bad, wrong daughter.; October 11, 2008 10:06 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: AP: Breaking Palin attended Church at taxpayer expense $ 13,000

WASILLA, Alaska (AP) -- The camera closes in on Sarah Palin speaking to young missionaries, vowing from the pulpit to do her part to implement God's will from the governor's office.

What she didn't tell worshippers gathered at the Wasilla Assembly of God church in her hometown was that her appearance that day came courtesy of Alaskan taxpayers, who picked up the $639.50 tab for her airplane tickets and per diem fees.

An Associated Press review of the Republican vice presidential candidate's record as mayor and governor reveals her use of elected office to promote religious causes, sometimes at taxpayer expense and in ways that blur the line between church and state.

Since she took state office in late 2006, the governor and her family have spent more than $13,000 in taxpayer funds to attend at least 10 religious events and meetings with Christian pastors, including Franklin Graham, the son of evangelical preacher Billy Graham, records show.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PALIN_CHURCH_AND_STATE?SITE=TXWIC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

.; October 11, 2008 10:09 PM
RobH said...: Leah, Ruby, etc,

Try visiting www.thenation.com

A GREAT magazine (also available hardcopy) for progressives.; October 11, 2008 10:29 PM
suzihussein22 said...: leah-Here's a couple more places I check on-

http://www.azcentral.com/

http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/552799.html

http://abcnews.go.com/politics

Arizona Central might give us a little more idea about McCain, if he ever checks on his own state. The headline earlier on Alaska Daily News was a lot more truth to power this morning. ABC seems to be trying to pick up the slack here lately.; October 11, 2008 10:35 PM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Ruby, Falin was boo'd for the whole 90 seconds that she was on the ice. The U-Tube is just a short clip. LOL

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/11/palin-booed-at-nhl-game-in-philadelphia/

Go Philly; October 11, 2008 11:48 PM
suzihussein22 said...: I'm trying to find an article about Palin in the Tribune that's supposed to say Truth Be Damned, and I see this...ewww-

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-edcart-multimediagallery,0,5944816.gallery; October 12, 2008 12:30 AM
suzihussein22 said...: Can you believe this is one of the most emailed photos from the Tribune-

http://www.chicagotribune.com/ny-582656720080902130909,0,6757468.photo; October 12, 2008 12:35 AM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Thanks RobH and Suzi for more websites. Loving it!

Emit, I guess I had the condensed version of the clip. (smile) The first one I listened to, all you could hear was the music playing, and it was hard to distinguish the boos. I found the clip I shared on another blog from someone that was actually there. The boos were more prevalent.
Anywayz.....did anybody see SNL?? I fell asleep. Goodnight!; October 12, 2008 1:16 AM
Beryl said...: I only saw the opening of SNL. It was a repeat of the segment with Palin/HRC together at the podium.

Folks, I'm getting really concerned about what this country will be like after 11/4 no matter who wins. If Obama wins, the fringe McCain supporters may act like an angry mob. This problem is 100% McPalin's fault.

If McCain wins, we won't have violence but we'll have recounts and litigation for the next year leaving Bush as a lame duck. Also many people will take their assets and leave the USA.; October 12, 2008 1:39 AM
suzihussein22 said...: Didn't Obama make a statement this year that he believed each state had the right to decide the laws on gun control? I thought he was asked about it after a shooting in IL.; October 12, 2008 1:47 AM
Karen Anne said...: Suzi,

I think Obama's position is that people have the right to have guns for hunting and whatnot, but states and other communities have the right to regulate things like illegal handguns, assault rifles, etc.

I think there is a statement on his web site, but I'm about to turn in.; October 12, 2008 2:31 AM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Suzi/Karen - Karen was correct about it being on Obamam's web site (but not the actual item Suzi asked about. From the site:

"Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets."

There was a comment made by Obama after the Washington DC court ruling that DC didn't have the right to ban handguns where Obama stated that Communities should have the right to pass tougher laws to fight crime, but still allow guns to be owned.

"His answer echoed his cautious statement released through his campaign: "I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms, but I also identify with the need for crime-ravaged communities to save their children from the violence that plagues our streets through common-sense, effective safety measures.""

http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/06/26/obama-takes-middle-road-on-gun-ban-ruling/

That might be too long a link so I'll split it up for those cut and paste folks:
http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/06/26/
obama-takes-middle-road-on-gun-ban-ruling/; October 12, 2008 8:14 AM
Beryl said...: http://my.barackobama.com/page/-/Nikki/Constituency%20Groups/Sportsmen/Sportsman%20One%20Pager%20Final.pdf; October 12, 2008 8:17 AM
NJ4Obama said...: a story on Politico:
"For Palin, some pork is kosher"
www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14471.html
($25,000 for the youth center for her church.); October 12, 2008 8:25 AM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Emit said: "I'll split it up for those cut and paste folks"

What cha' trying to say Emit? LOL; October 12, 2008 8:42 AM
Emit R Detsaw said...: LOL - saying I'm too lazy to make one of them fancy links, and I cut and paste. ;o); October 12, 2008 8:47 AM
Ruby in Kansas said...: A little Sunday morning humor:

Check out this clip of Batman. You won't believe how much The Penguin sounds like John McCain. He even says "My friends."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63SRpGXBHE&feature=related

UNBELIEVABLE!; October 12, 2008 9:26 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Here is a great clip of the hockey game boo'ing with the best audio I've heard so far (taken from up in the stands)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXNetpeu_mk

.; October 12, 2008 10:19 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Ruby-

That is awesome!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63SRpGXBHE

McCain IS the Penguin
and Obama IS like Batman!!!

That video needs to go viral!
Everyone should send it to everyone they know!; October 12, 2008 10:35 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: More Racism at a Palin Rally in PA - Monkey-Man Bigot Up Close
00:53

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x213031

VOTE Obama-Biden '08; October 12, 2008 10:45 AM
jean said...: This is the scariest thing I have seen.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/11/speaker-at-mccain-rally-says-non-christians-want-an-obama-win/

Yes it is the cut and paste:)
jean; October 12, 2008 11:10 AM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Uh-oh Palin. It ain't over, 'till it's over!!

http://www.newsweek.com/id/163465; October 12, 2008 11:17 AM
jean said...: ruby,
heh,heh,heh.
She made her own stew and she is respnosible for her own actions.
heh, heh, heh.

I know that was immature but I am really getting tired of the Repub crap.

jean; October 12, 2008 11:23 AM
Beryl said...: Sarah Palin Remixed
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=fRNNPDnuIxU

Fun but scary at the same time.; October 12, 2008 11:45 AM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Sarah Palin Remixed

Beryl, that is VERY scary!!!!; October 12, 2008 11:56 AM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Looks like McCain is going to try and make up with David Letterman Thursday night. This should be very interesting.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/12/mccain-going-back-on-lett_n_133963.html; October 12, 2008 12:00 PM
Beryl said...: This Batman/Penguin video is even more eerie, "My Friends".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHDymOhHFI0; October 12, 2008 12:59 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: This Batman/Penguin video is even more eerie, "My Friends".

Yes it is Beryl.; October 12, 2008 1:11 PM
Beryl said...: "Hey Sarah Palin"
(with lyrics/subtitles)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DIc8jdra0o

Oh, if you become VP
Oh, its Mexico for me.; October 12, 2008 1:23 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Beryl-

In that video at starting at 1:05 when Batman is talking it sounds like OBAMA!

Batman even raises his hand and says 'I hope' like Obama LOL :); October 12, 2008 1:29 PM
Doug said...: Beryl, that last Batman vid is so great! It includes the clip of McCain's grunting laugh. If whoever does these things can find a clip of Danny DeVito as the Penguin, it would be indistinguishable.

My son is thrilled!; October 12, 2008 1:40 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Question to anybody that knows: After the polls close Nov. 4, how long will we have to wait before we hear "THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS BARACK OBAMA"? Midnight? Next day? Two days?; October 12, 2008 1:46 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: What time do the polls close? Is it different in each state?

Are they going to allow people standing in line to vote even past the closing time?

My guess is that we will have a good idea who has won by midnight.; October 12, 2008 1:49 PM
Independent Voter said...: Ruby, as polls close in each state, the results are typically announced through the media. But the official news doesn't come until the Electoral College votes are counted in a joint session of Congress on January 6.

Media always gives "projected" results. Mostly based on preliminary results along with exit polls conducted throughout the day. Many states are announced as soon as polls close. Example, NY will be called for Obama immediately upon their polls closing just as Texas will more than likely be called for McShrub immediately upon their polls closing (NO, I'm not writing off TX quite yet, but it is more than likely at this point).

HERE is some great information regarding KEY DATES for Electoral College information.; October 12, 2008 1:57 PM
Independent Voter said...: I don't think it will be that soon Leah. I think it will probably be the following morning if not several days. It all depends on if there are any lawsuits filed or not.; October 12, 2008 1:58 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Indy-

Right now McCain is losing ground in Texas and even Arizona and Alaska. There have been quite a few anti-Palin protests up there in Alaska and her favorability rating is falling fast and will probably continue to fall now that she has been found guilty of abusing her power.

I think right now we can't really tell how many states McCain will lose on election day.; October 12, 2008 2:03 PM
Ruby in Kansas said...: Thanks for the info!!; October 12, 2008 2:08 PM
Independent Voter said...: Leah - I agree that they are losing ground, but I just don't think it's enough to really cause them to lose those states.

Something that I don't hear ANYONE question McShrub about regarding his earmark "argument", is that there are TWO Rethuglican Senators from AZ. IF he is so against earmarks, why has he done NOTHING to stop Jon Kyle from requesting them? Could he be using Jon Kyle to request them on his behalf so that he can come out looking as though he is not requesting them himself.; October 12, 2008 2:10 PM
Independent Voter said...: Leah - Re: the first part of my last post - don't get me wrong, I will be absolutely pleasantly surprised if Obama is able to swing those states, I just don't think it'll happen.; October 12, 2008 2:11 PM
Beryl said...: I have entire first week of November scheduled to be off from work. I figure that I'll be rejoicing, mourning, and/or helping with the litigation efforts.; October 12, 2008 2:11 PM
Independent Voter said...: Oh, and you're welcome Ruby :); October 12, 2008 2:12 PM
suzihussein22 said...: This just sounded cute. I have a problem with one of the drinks, because Red Bull energy drink has caused a lot of heart problems with social drinkers because it gets mixed with alcohol, even causing some deaths-

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/story?id=6012155&page=1; October 12, 2008 2:15 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Well I'm telling ya'll right now that Texas is going to turn blue on election day... and I have my fingers in my ears so I can't hear anything else! LOL ;); October 12, 2008 2:16 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Thank you to beryl, ruby, ka, and emit. I saved all of it for my debate research.

emit and ruby-cut and paste...LOL...that's about as far as I got in art. :); October 12, 2008 2:18 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: 106-year-old voter chooses Obama

Source: BBC

A 106-year-old American nun living in a convent in Rome could well be the oldest person to vote in the 2008 US Presidential election.

Sister Cecilia Gaudette, who last voted for President Eisenhower in 1952, has registered to vote and says she will vote for Democrat Barack Obama.

Although hard of hearing, she keeps herself informed by reading newspapers and watching TV at the convent.

"I'm encouraged by Senator Obama," she says.; October 12, 2008 2:22 PM

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