Democratic Convention Watch: Open Thread

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

Open Thread

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What is McCain's latest "senior moment", what does Obama need to do to win in November or whatever else is on your mind.

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Aunt Jean said...: Hey Dave

that sounds like the perfect SS code name for Bush [rectum] LMAO!!!! I like the names that was given to the Obama family! AJ

wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!! are you asleep again if you can't run with the big dogs stay on the porch LOL !!!; November 10, 2008 10:07 PM
Aunt Jean said...: AJ, apparently one of your wishes IS coming true. According to HuffPo, Howard Dean is stepping down as DNC Chair. ALRIGHT 1 DOWN AND 4 MORE TO GO!!!!!AJ; November 10, 2008 10:09 PM
Independent Voter said...: LMAO AJ! Shoot! I never could hang until 6:30am (well that depends on if I was able to get a nap in the afternoon.) I remember when I used to work for Visa and had a shift that went from 3-9am. Don't get me wrong, I loved the shift because as one of my incentives I was paid for 8 hours instead of 6, and then any overtime was double-time instead of the normal time and a half. But my ass was in bed by 6pm to be at work at 3am.

I thought you would like hearing that Dean was stepping down....your day must just be getting better and better...LOL; November 10, 2008 10:18 PM
suzihussein22 said...: I hadn't heard of this place, an interesting museum for pres. candidates-

http://tinyurl.com/3h856c

It's a short video. I didn't notice that the raw footage had sound.; November 10, 2008 10:23 PM
suzihussein22 said...: iv dave-Ruh roh! Every dog has his day, but not his night? :); November 10, 2008 10:26 PM
Independent Voter said...: Ok, I have to admit, I'm watching Greta Van Sustren's "On the Record" interview of Sarah Palin. I'm really kind of feeling bad for her...again this is not to say that I agree with her policies by any means. I'm kind of glad that the McCain campaign didn't unleash the Sarah Palin that is in this interview.

She's actually coming across as...dare I say it.....um..... actually human. I really have the feeling that if she represented herself on the campaign trail the way she did tonight, the results may have very well could have turned out differently. Had she not acted like the divisive figure that she did during the campaign, I truly think a lot more women would have liked her. With that said, I personally think her speaking out tonight is simply her way of positioning herself for a future run.; November 10, 2008 10:31 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Soft.; November 10, 2008 10:32 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

and how old did you say you were LOL LOL men just don't have the gene pool for tuff hours. LOL LOL !!! That's ok love you anyway!!!! AJ; November 10, 2008 10:35 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave
about Palin even though she might have sounded human she still doesn't have enough upstairs to run this country. AJ; November 10, 2008 10:38 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL AJ!!!!!!!!!!!

Hate you------in a LOVING way! VBG!

I'm 37.....Bill's 49. I think it's because of him. He kinda put a damper on my social life at such a young age....LOL! But I've convinced him that we need to make up for it....LOL! After all, by the time I met him, he had already done the whole going out every weekend thing and had gotten bored with it. Of course, he was also a major trollup when we met...LOL! I still call him my little trollup (even though he is no longer one.); November 10, 2008 10:41 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

it's nice to still have some of that [trollup] attiude if you know what I mean!!!!! LOL LOL!!!!!!! {you are a mess] LOL AJ; November 10, 2008 10:44 PM
Independent Voter said...: AJ, Although I agree with you on that, the problem isn't whether she is intelligent enough to hold the office she was running for, there is a remedy to ignorance, it's education....she has 4 years to educate herself.

The interview is at a commercial right now.....if you switch over to fox news channel you might be able to catch what Palin and Obama talked about while on the campaign trail. Evidently he called her in the middle of the campaign.; November 10, 2008 10:50 PM
suzihussein22 said...: So Bill's the trollup. That makes you the reformer, like Palin...I'm going to duck now. If we were in the same room, you would throw something at me. VBG :-D I'm not sure if I'd be the trollup or not. Can't you tell what a good girl I am? I had more boyfriends than Mike too. :) Anyway, I'll check out that interview tomorrow. This tired ole dawg is dragging her eyelids...zzz; November 10, 2008 10:55 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Suzi

you're a mess too! LOL VBG GOODNIGHT SWEET DREAMS aj; November 10, 2008 10:58 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

I don't think 4 years for some people is long enough to learn what they need to run this country. AJ; November 10, 2008 11:00 PM
Independent Voter said...: Never mind, all he said to her was "good luck, but not too much luck."

Anyway, what I was going to say before I rudely interrupted my last post was that we have way too many STUPID people voting who wants someone JUST LIKE THEM. I'm sorry, I do NOT want someone just like me, I want someone that is MUCH more intelligent than I. We would ALL be much better off if these people would stop seeking someone as dumb as they are.

I want the ELITE candidate, provided that they aren't in the position they are in because of their entitlement - like Bush and McCain. Bush - because of his father and his legacy and McCain because of his father and grandfather being high ranking military men. Bush was a below average student. McCain was WELL below average, 894th out of 899 students.; November 10, 2008 11:03 PM
Independent Voter said...: Suzi, how many boyfriends did Mike have? VBG!!!!!!!!!!!; November 10, 2008 11:04 PM
jean said...: Aunt Jean,
I guess you are the example her VBG.
And not a bad one may I add.

Indy,
It sounds like you made the best choice. My guy is 12 years older also.
It works:)

Goodnight Suzi. Nice Job with the Titans. I don't have that much luck with the teams I pick.
Ask Doug:)
jean; November 10, 2008 11:06 PM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; November 10, 2008 11:10 PM
Independent Voter said...: Oh and YES, I was the reformer for him. Prior to me all of his relationships failed within 3 years, some within 1 year.

I think the main reason we have made it work as well as we have is because we didn't meet in a bar (like all of his prior relationships). We met at a party that a mutual friend of ours had in a park (that didn't allow alcohol on the premises). So basically our relationship was never based on sex....in fact we dated for 6 months before having sexual contact. That's not saying we didn't sleep together, just no sexual contact. That was mainly my influence. I was a good boy when he and I met. Of course it was still a fairly difficult time in the early 90's for young gays.; November 10, 2008 11:11 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

I need to be with someone that is at least as smart as me but perfer somwone smarter that will keep me on my toes and I can pick their brain.[that sounds nasty]LOL LOL

Jean you're so bad but in a good way!!! VBG LOL AJ; November 10, 2008 11:13 PM
Independent Voter said...: Jean, it's actually quite funny, we are 12 years and 1 day apart. For 1 day per year we are 13 years apart and trust me, I rub it in EVERY year. LOL

This coming June is his 50th, and I'm wanting to have some sort of surprise party, but the last time I had a surprise party for him, he well um, found out. One of the invitations were returned and he got the mail first. And of course he opened it up because it was one of our clients who also happened to be one of our good friends. I think this year before sending out invitations I will rent a PO BOX for a month or two and use that address instead of the home address.; November 10, 2008 11:14 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

that would help if you want it to be a surprise!!!!!!!! AJ; November 10, 2008 11:19 PM
jean said...: Indy,
The husband's 50th Birthday??????????????
Guess it was good. Don't remember that much and neither does he VBG.

Gonna go to bed.
I am early to bed and early to rise.
4am whether I want to or not.
I just always get up.
Staying up like AJ is almost impossible for me.
I'm a light weight.
Have a good night.
jean; November 10, 2008 11:19 PM
Independent Voter said...: AJ, that was one thing that drew me to him. I had a lot of knowledge to gain from him and he was drawn to me because he saw that I was not the typical immature 20 year old, and I have been able to teach him a thing or two (especially when it comes to politics). Prior to meeting me, he had never registered to vote. Ever since then he has voted in every election. There have been two times we split our vote (but never in a Presidential election). We split on governorship.; November 10, 2008 11:20 PM
Independent Voter said...: G'night suzi and jean.; November 10, 2008 11:21 PM
jean said...: Indy,
Just to be a bit creepy.
We are 12 years and 16 days apart.

Gotta check out the lotto numbers with that one.

Good night.
jean; November 10, 2008 11:22 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Jean

goodnight used to farmers hours. LOL AJ; November 10, 2008 11:23 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Jean, G'night.; November 10, 2008 11:27 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

I am a firm believer that 2 people have to bring something to a relationship. Lets face it behind closed doors [even if they aren't closed all the time lol] some of the excitment wears off. But with good conversation it can bring excitment.AJ; November 10, 2008 11:29 PM
Independent Voter said...: AJ, my sociology professor has a great theory which I think is probably 85% accurate (the other 15% are gay men - LOL - JUST KIDDING). He calls it the penny in the jar theory.

Every time a couple has sex during the first one to two years of a relationship the couple puts a penny in a jar. And then every time the couple has sex after that they take one out. The odds are that the couple will never empty the jar.; November 10, 2008 11:37 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

I would say you are right!
Even though sex in a relationship is important it's not everything. Having things in common are just important and being able to talk even if you disagree having respect for each others opinion and being able to learn from each other keeps the fire burning. AJ; November 10, 2008 11:44 PM
Karen Anne said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; November 11, 2008 5:24 AM
jean said...: This is very interesting.
I wish the article was more detailed on disposal etc.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/08/mini-nuclear-plants-power_n_142412.html; November 11, 2008 10:56 AM
Independent Voter said...: Jean, that is a very interesting and promising article. My only problem is they still don't address where the waste goes. That is what truly bothers me.; November 11, 2008 1:45 PM
jean said...: Indy,
That is my problem also.
If this does take off, WHERE does the waste go??????????
Also, in Earthquake areas, how safe is it.
Lots of questions.
jean; November 11, 2008 1:53 PM
jean said...: It looks like things could change quite quickly.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/11/obama.executive.orders/index.html; November 11, 2008 2:00 PM
jean said...: Gotta do some stuff.
But I do feel this is important and worth noting.
America's Healthiest Grocery Stores that don't cost so much:)

http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/diet.fitness/11/11/Healthmag.healthiest.grocery.stores/index.html; November 11, 2008 2:05 PM
Independent Voter said...: Jean,

I had seen and heard about several things that he would do to reverse some of the damage Bush has caused, and the years in scientific advancement he has prevented. We finally have someone that is actually going to be working for ALL the people, not just those on his side of the political spectrum.; November 11, 2008 2:15 PM
Karen Anne said...: Jean,

Whole Foods in Palo Alto is great. So after I moved to RI, I was thrilled to find them here as well.

But, the ones here are not so great. Apparently the stores or maybe districts are quite independent, enough so that whoever makes the deli food in RI needs some cooking lessons, and the RI stores are not as green as Palo Alto when it comes to packaging - lots of plastic containers vs. biodegradable cardboard, etc. Also, not the variety of the Palo Alto store.

Northern California is really nirvana...; November 11, 2008 5:49 PM
Independent Voter said...: KA, the same is true in the lower half of the state as well (regarding Whole Foods).; November 11, 2008 6:04 PM
Independent Voter said...: I watched Keith Olbermann last night and listened to his "special comment" regarding Prop 8. I thought he did a relatively good job, but he came across as too emotional, as in he had a stake in the outcome of the Proposition. He said that he isn't gay (could have fooled me), but that isn't the point, he is always emotional, but it just seemed like he a personal stake in the vote here in CA.

And then, it came out yesterday (when he appeared on the View) that he doesn't vote at all. And it is for THIS reason that he doesn't vote that makes me truly disappointed in him as a commentator. He made two claims, 1) because he lives in NYC his vote doesn't really matter and 2) by not voting it allows him to remain "neutral". Well we ALL know he is nowhere near neutral, but it really pisses me off that just because you live in a big city, it doesn't mean that your vote doesn't matter.

My point is this, suppose there are 1 million people who opposed Prop 8, felt the same way he does (that their vote doesn't matter) and they decided to stay home because their vote didn't matter, Prop 8 may not have passed, and this whole discussion would not be taking place, nor would there be a supreme court challenge taking place.

Does that make sense?; November 11, 2008 6:16 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: soft- Yep, those Italian Air Force guys do some really cool stuff up there ;)

Indy- I don't care if Palin were to have 4, 8 or even 12 more years to study up on 'facts'. The fact will still remain that she has not spent her life paying attention to world affairs or thinking about them. I don't want a president that bones up for the exam at the last minute to pass the test.

Senator Obama has spent most of his life studying one way or the other about the world and our nation. He lived in a foreign country and in Hawaii with a diverse culture, he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations, then he continued his education in order to get his law degree, he knows the U.S. Constitution inside and out since he taught Constitutional Law at university, etc.

I hear the talking heads on TV saying that Palin has four years to study and read up on national and international issues and I think it is ridiculous. Being able to spurt out talking points does NOT a brilliant mind make.; November 11, 2008 6:34 PM
Independent Voter said...: Leah - I agree with you, I don't want someone like that either....all I was saying is that there were clearly 50+ million people who DO want someone that is "just like them".; November 11, 2008 6:47 PM
Beryl said...: "I hear the talking heads on TV saying that Palin has four years to study and read up on national and international issues and I think it is ridiculous. Being able to spurt out talking points does NOT a brilliant mind make."

ITA, Leah. It is crazy to think that in 4 years they can cram information in her head and she would then be able to process and use it for critical policy decision-making. Anyone in academia knows why she needed to attend 5 schools to graduate in 6 years.

There are lots of reasons that Palin should let go of the POTUS idea. Here are three:

1. She doesn't have sufficient intellectual curiosity or she would have already known more about the world.

2. She lacks affect. I still cannot get past her lack of reaction to Biden's tearful comment during the debate. We need a President who actually CARES about people and doesn't just put on a show so she can achieve her ambitious goals.

3. She does not understand the separation of church and state. Unlike both Obama and even McCain, she doesn't know how to be guided by her faith without imposing her beliefs on others. A good example is how Obama approaches gay marriage and abortion. He neither agrees with gay marriage nor abortions but he is not taking any steps to oppose either. They are choices which should be left to individuals.; November 11, 2008 7:01 PM
Independent Voter said...: I've heard a lot of people complain about the dress that Michelle wore last Tuesday night. People were up in arms about how "bad" it looked on her (I didn't think that at all). I thought she looked great.

However, anyone who criticizes her over it should take in mind an article I came across.....according to this article black and red are "Africa's mourning colours - in which case they were paying their respects to Barack's recently departed grandmother."

I think in this case that dress was an extremely appropriate.; November 11, 2008 7:11 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Well in my opinion, 50+ million people did not actually vote for 'her', my guess is that the majority of them were voting for McCain.

I just wish the media would leave her alone so that we didn't have to hear about her all day long on the television. I am sick of her voice and just want her to go away ;); November 11, 2008 7:23 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Indy-

This red dress that she wore to the White House yesterday was much classier...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bonnie-fuller/why-michelles-red-dress-j_b_143041.html

.; November 11, 2008 9:02 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Indy-

I am not sure I buy the 'black and red' clothes because of the African tradition of mourning.

Senator Obama's grandmother was not African. She was what (?) Scotish or Irish or something like that.

Besides I would think that Obama would observe the Hawaiian custom of mourning since his grandmother lived in Hawaii and she is Caucasian.

The Obama family had a very traditional Hawaiian funeral in Hawaii when Obama's mother passed away.; November 11, 2008 9:10 PM
suzihussein22 said...: iv dave-I'm not the jealous sort, I'm not asking Mike how many boyfriends he had. ;) lol

leah-At first it looked like a rainbow. :)

jean-Gotta go for the home team. On the flip side, I usually pick Vandy.

The piece of transcript I've seen so far isn't impressing me.

Also...just kidding darn it. :); November 11, 2008 9:38 PM
suzihussein22 said...: This just makes my day to see another dad have such a strong bond like our kids and their dad-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/10/obama-parenting-pda-slide_n_142625.html

Bring on the pda! President-elect Obama's shoes did look old.

Can I brag about our daughter?; November 11, 2008 9:46 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Hey Suzi

what's up? AJ; November 11, 2008 10:46 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Suzi,

I'm a bit disappointed that Sasha's "Hi Daddy!!" at the convention wasn't included in the photo essay. That is one of the fondest memories I have from the convention.

But then again, the real impact was seeing and hearing the excitement in her voice as she was saying "Hi Daddy!!", something that isn't easy to convey in a still photo.

And from the excitement she displayed, you can tell that she TRULY loves her daddy!

Mike; November 11, 2008 11:25 PM
suzihussein22 said...: jean-Our daughter won a speech contest about deforestation. We are becoming a whole family of community activists. :) It's like her letter to Santa 3 yrs. ago. She asked for more love for the whole world and didn't ask for anything for herself.

m in md-That was really a precious moment that we got to see.; November 11, 2008 11:35 PM
Independent Voter said...: Leah Well in my opinion, 50+ million people did not actually vote for 'her', my guess is that the majority of them were voting for McCain.

This type of belief is what leads to complacency. I don't believe that for a minute. McCain didn't have the "base" energized whatsoever. It was Palin that energized the reich-wing nutjobs, NOT McCain. They didn't like McCain.

As far as your dress comment (election nights dress), I'm not going to address because it appears as though you are trying to be confrontational. I could be reading more into it than what was intended but I thought she looked VERY classy the night of the election night.; November 12, 2008 12:53 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Indy-

Yes you are reading more into than there is.

I posted the link to the red dress Michelle wore to the White House only because I like it better then the election night dress.

I never said that I didn't like the election night dress. I saw a photo of the 'original' one that the designer made before re-doing a 'version' for Michelle. The 'original' version I really liked a lot but it would have been too short and 'sexy' for election night. I do not dislike the version that Michelle wore on election night I just think it had a bit too much of the shiney fabric on it compared to the original.; November 12, 2008 1:13 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Tuesday...

From THE PAGE (TIME)

Obama Release on Phone Calls

Throughout the day today, President-elect Obama returned phone calls to world leaders and expressed his appreciation for their congratulations on his election. Today, President-elect Obama spoke with the following leaders:

· President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva of Brazil;

· His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI;

· Prime Minister Manmohan Singh of India;

· His Majesty King Abdullah of Jordan;

· President Mwai Kibaki of Kenya.; November 12, 2008 1:14 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; November 12, 2008 1:21 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: First night out to dinner after the election...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-ctobama_day_0620081109200003,0,7990668.photo

.; November 12, 2008 1:23 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Photo of the 'original' (less shiney black fabric on the sides/front) side by side with the version made for Michelle...

http://wonkette.com/404190/michelle-obamas-hell-colored-election-night-dress

Michelle always looks great in her dresses, it is going to be fun watching what she wears over the next few years ;); November 12, 2008 1:26 AM
Karen Anne said...: I'm wondering about how suddenly we seem to have several contentious posters out in the main site - Liz, Bob in the McCain on Leno thread, who is particularly obnoxious, etc. A freeper game, perhaps?

I thought maybe it was stop in another guise, but, although I skipped most of his posts here, so I'm not an expert, it doesn't read like him.; November 12, 2008 2:13 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

I would have to agree with Leah. The solid red dress looked much better. The black and red dress just was my taste.I'm not saying that it was ugly it was ok.AJ; November 12, 2008 8:23 AM
Independent Voter said...: Leah - my apologies, thank you for clarifying. I'll go along with that. But I just didn't see either one as more classy than the other because they were two different occasions. Either way, as you said, she's always classy.; November 12, 2008 8:30 AM
Independent Voter said...: AJ, sorry I'll respond later, I'm going back to bed.....it's way too early for me....see ya in a couple hours =); November 12, 2008 8:31 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

you big over grown baby VBG!!! So you can't handle early hours? [sleepy head] LOL AJ

on my 8:23 post I meant to say that the black and red dress just wasn't my taste not was.; November 12, 2008 8:51 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Karen Anne,

On the 'contentious posters' comment, I agree that there suddenly seem to be many more. I also don't think it is SoN/Yamakamekazi in another guise.

And I don't remember 'Liz' posting before, nor this 'bob'. They DO seem to have come from nowhere, and their postings do seem to have some of the intent of a Freeper's postings at a non-Freeper site (disruption of the discussion with non-germane postings and/or straw-man arguments, etc.), although not in the style of your usual Freeper.

Mike; November 12, 2008 10:13 AM
Karen Anne said...: Gay marriages begin in Connecticut -
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/nyregion/13marriage.html?hp

Does anyone know if California recognizes marriages performed in another state? Or does Prop. 8 outlaw that?; November 12, 2008 12:17 PM
jean said...: Indy,
I guess you are not good with the "Farmers Hours" as AJ says I am prone with:)

In reference to the Black and Red dress. Just didn't like it.
Does that matter? No.
I think the biggest reason is that TV can really distort because of the designs and the colors.
Honestly, she is going to have to watch that closely. What you see in the mirror is not what comes across in the pixels.(Did I spell that correctly/)

Suzi,
Congrads on the daughter's accomlishment. Very Nice.
My daughter sounds so much like yours but she is 16. She gets very upset every x-mas about the kids that don't have much.
The conversations always very deep.
I have a feeling your conversations will also be that way:)

jean; November 12, 2008 12:17 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Jean,

If you download and install Firefox, it has a built-in spell checker that shows the word 'pixels' was spelled correctly. Or rather, it doesn't show the word 'pixels' was spelled incorrectly.

In Firefox version 3.0 and above, you also can right-click a word Firefox says is misspelled, and it will suggest to you a listing of words that you might have meant, based on how mangled your spelling was.

Mike; November 12, 2008 2:35 PM
Independent Voter said...: KA, Prop 8 outlaws those too.; November 12, 2008 4:00 PM
Independent Voter said...: Suzi, Yes, congrats on your daughters achievement. That is very cool.

AJ and Jean, I understand that you, along with many people, didn't care for the test, but I DID DAMMIT! LOL!!!!!!!! And you know us gays, OUR OPINION IS THE ONLY ONE THAT MATTERS when it comes to fashion!!!! VVVVVVVBG

And Jean, NO I'm not good with farmers hours ONE bit. Especially considering just a little more than a week ago that post would have been around 4:30am.; November 12, 2008 4:05 PM
Beryl said...: Sorry if this is a repeat:

http://obama2008.s3.amazonaws.com/headlines.html; November 12, 2008 4:24 PM
jean said...: mike in maryland,
I will check out the download because my spelling is making me sick.

Indy,
You are ALSO,STILL, having ISSUES with Daylight Savings Time.
The Full Moon is not till tomorrow and I refer to that as male PMS.
The husband is the worse.
So just to let you know you have to be nice till midnight:)
jean; November 12, 2008 6:11 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Beryl-

That's a great link, thanks for posting it ;); November 12, 2008 6:13 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama 2004 interview regarding FAITH

http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/11/obamas-interview-with-cathleen.html

.; November 12, 2008 6:34 PM
jean said...: Obama makes excellent choices once again.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/12/albright-leach-to-represent-obama-at-summit/

Everything he does is so well thought out.
Guess I am not used to it because of the prior administration.

jean; November 12, 2008 6:44 PM
Karen Anne said...: A neighbor or somebody has posted a bunch of photos of Obama's neighborhood, with barricades and police everywhere.

http://friends.peoria.lib.il.us/community/howardcourtney/HydePark.html

Vaguely interesting, mostly of the thank God none of my neighbors is President Elect variety :-)

I know that a year or so ago I saw some photos of the inside of their house and was consumed with Old House Envy.; November 12, 2008 6:58 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Jean, I'll try.

Beryl, All those newspapers.....SOOOO cool!; November 12, 2008 7:02 PM
tmess2 said...: Updated Results from Alaska (approximately 1 hour ago)

Senate -- Stevens -- 118,602
Begich -- 117,631

House -- Young -- 126,719
Berkowitz -- 111,052

Looks like roughly 26,000 ballots have been counted so far today leaving another 26,000 to be counted today. Supposedly additional ballots will be counted on Friday.

Website for Alaska election results:

www.ltgov.state.ak.us/elections/; November 12, 2008 7:08 PM
Independent Voter said...: tmess - that is GREAT news, Begich is within 1000 votes.; November 12, 2008 7:13 PM
tmess2 said...: It is not 100% clear from the Alaska website, but it looks like of 70,457 early and absentee votes received, 54,001 are being counted today and another 6,988 are still in the verification process. That count implies that around 9,000 of the early and absentee votes were rejected as void.

There are also slightly over 20,000 provisional votes (or as Alaska calls them questioned votes) but it does not look like the verification process has been completed accept in a handful of districts but, in those districts, it looks like a large percentage are being accepted as valid.; November 12, 2008 7:20 PM
Beryl said...: Alaska is under a microscope and everyone know their election STINKS! No way they'd have LESS voters than 2004 when
(1) Their own Governor is on the ticket
(2) More voters were registered than in 2004.b

We all know that they dumped some of their votes and I wouldn't be surprised if suddenly they produced enough votes to defeat their felonious Senator.

The whole world is watching!; November 12, 2008 7:43 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

I knew that you were a funny guy but I didn't know you were into wearing women attire. VBG lol. AJ; November 12, 2008 7:51 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Begich is now leading Stevens by 3 votes!; November 12, 2008 8:11 PM
Beryl said...: Told ya. No way they are going to let Stevens win, they will put back enough Dem votes to fix this up but not so much as to significantly tighten the Presidential race.; November 12, 2008 8:14 PM
Beryl said...: Palin went buck-wild shopping.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/40211#?l=1904732925&t=1906937043; November 12, 2008 8:26 PM
Independent Voter said...: Dave

I knew that you were a funny guy but I didn't know you were into wearing women attire. VBG lol. AJ

DAMMIT AJ!!!!!!!!!! SHHHHHHHHHHHHH you weren't supposed to tell anyone.........JUST KIDDING!

I have done drag ONE time....couldn't stand it. I looked like a cheap street walker. LOL!!!!!!

I don't even like going to drag shows....unless they are using their own voices.....and IF they are using their own voices, they have to be good. Otherwise it's not worth my time :); November 12, 2008 8:49 PM
Independent Voter said...: I forgot to share some news that a friends of ours (Doug) told us on Saturday when we went out.

Doug is a marine who was in Alaska last Tuesday.....he was afraid that he would be the only Obama supporter in Alaska. Anyway, he was at a bar (I don't know what city he was in...but the population was only about 3000 people) when the Alaska returns were coming in. He said that despite the large crowd, there was little activity, and a few very long sighs.

He spoke to a couple of people and apparently they said they were somewhat pissed off that McCain/Palin were not elected because they wanted to get rid of her. That was the ONLY reason the people overwhelmingly voted for them.....they wanted to get rid of her.

He did disclose that the bar he was in was pretty liberal but they really can't stand her up in Alaska. It just kind of irritated me because they cant stand her in Alaska but they voted to get rid of her and force her on the rest of the 49 states. How frickin' selfish is that?; November 12, 2008 9:27 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

when you did drag did you shave your legs. When I was a kid this guy I knew shaved his legs on a dare. The funny thing about it he was 6'11 1/2 now that was a funny sight. All he did was bit## the whole time his leg hairs was growing out. LOL AJ; November 12, 2008 9:46 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave

oh yea one more thing . About Palin that was pretty darn selfish of them. I guess they wanted us to suffer for their stupity. AJ; November 12, 2008 9:49 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL AJ! I honestly can't remember if I did or not. It was 13 years ago. I don't think I did.

6'11......almost 7 feet tall? WOW! I feel REALLY sorry for him. I'm 6'3 and let me tell you, at times it is NOT a gift. Especially during high school. Kids are clumsy enough now add that extra height to it and it can be well, lets just say it's not fun.; November 12, 2008 9:51 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave
I was very little until I turned 13 yrs old. Before that I was 4" 9 and weighed 66 lbs. I wasn't skinny just very small. Then I grew up yeppe to 5" 3' that's where I am at now still. He use to hang me up by my toes all the time.His mom was 6'9 his dad was 6"10 and his brother who murdered him was 6"10 1/2. Sammie was a very sweet guy and his brother that killed was a sorry bastard and punk!!!!!! AJ; November 12, 2008 10:07 PM
Independent Voter said...: AJ, that sucks! UGH! I so was not expecting that.; November 12, 2008 10:10 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave
it happened a long time ago. But I will say this he made enough of an impression in my life that I remember him well. AJ; November 12, 2008 10:42 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Here's a nice little compilation...

An OBAMA "Love Story"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPYMaF2vAmg

.; November 12, 2008 11:01 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah

that was a very nice video.AJ; November 12, 2008 11:45 PM
Independent Voter said...: SWEET!!!!!!!!!

Begich is now up by 814 votes

Begich: 132196
Stevens: 131382; November 13, 2008 1:27 AM
Karen Anne said...: vwis on the main site has an idea - plant a tree for Inauguration (preferably sooner, esp. if you're in an area where the ground freezes.); November 13, 2008 8:57 AM
vwis said...: Independent voter:

The scary thing about that is that in 2000 I lived in Texas they felt the same way.; November 13, 2008 9:24 AM
vwis said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; November 13, 2008 9:37 AM
vwis said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; November 13, 2008 9:46 AM
vwis said...: It's actually quite funny that in 13 years I had moved 6 times. My husband's an engineer and corporations like to move their engineers around, to round them out and make money for them. That's not the funny part.

But, every state I've lived in their sports team has won while I lived there and their local politicians have been elected to higher office. Just a co-incidence.; November 13, 2008 9:48 AM
vwis said...: Independent voter,

I recently heard that somewhere ( I believe CA) they want to build a separate school for they gays because they are being tormented and picked on by the other kids. What's your feelings on this?; November 13, 2008 9:53 AM
vwis said...: Aunt Jean,

It's too bad that video wasn't available back then. I would have like to have seen that. You know I like a good laugh.

We all have a limited time here and we are where we are meant to be, even if we don't understand it.

How are you doing?; November 13, 2008 10:04 AM
vwis said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; November 13, 2008 10:38 AM
vwis said...: Forgive the Texans for they did not know what they were unleashing on the world. They did not have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. They would take it back if they could. They are good people they were just misguided. Some of them are very good and have done much good in the world. We all learn from our mistakes. The information was all out there before 2000. We need to research and figure things out internally (ie prayer, meditation, before we blindly follow a leader. They are all human and imperfect.; November 13, 2008 11:10 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: vwis,

It was NOT the Cowboys (the football team), but the Rangers (the baseball team).

Mike; November 13, 2008 11:26 AM
vwis said...: Mim,

Yes, I should have proofed that before I submitted that. I wish Matt would delete the whole thing. I would, but the site does not remember my password, and I have changed it twice this morning.; November 13, 2008 12:23 PM
Aunt Jean said...: VWIS

hi and what have you been up to lately? It's been awhile since we heard from you. I guess I was one of the few smart ones I didn't vote for Bush the first time or second time either. AJ; November 13, 2008 1:52 PM
vwis said...: I just needed to vent this morning. These last eight years have been hard ones. I needed to reflect and introspect. Before I move on to better times. Much of the last 10 years have become surreal to me, but I must learn so that I don't repeat.
I hope for unity and an end for all the states and the world.

The Bush years have been a great lesson for all of us. If we don't talk and discuss things with our enemies or those who don't like us who will want to discuss much with us.

When we elected W to office in 2000 the media and others said he wasn't that intelligent, but that they hoped he would surround himself with others that are experts in their fields and take their lead. In fact, I remember Chris Matthews saying that. We sure have been disappointed.; November 13, 2008 1:53 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Vwis

you said that you and your husband have moved 6 times in the last 13 years. I bet that was hard.Do you have any kids? Also what state do you live in now? AJ; November 13, 2008 2:01 PM
vwis said...: Aunt Jean,

I posted on other pages recently, just not here. When I posted last was before Obama won the primary. I was concerned that he'd lose or that the Democrats would somehow unravel themselves during the primaries and give the Republicans too much fodder. Once the primaries were over I never doubted once that Obama would win. So I never needed support. I too never voted for W, but I know many who did. Of the ones I know they are good people, some of them had very good intentions it just didn't work out that way.

Also, I've been busy.; November 13, 2008 2:20 PM
jean said...: mike in maryland,
Just loaded Fire Fox and Oh MY GOSH.
It is like a X-mas present.
Thanks:); November 13, 2008 2:20 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Jean
which site did you use on the firefox? AJ; November 13, 2008 2:32 PM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; November 13, 2008 2:32 PM
vwis said...: I presently live in Arkansas. I've lived in Toronto area, upstate New York, and a couple of places in Texas. Moving is always hard, getting established is even harder.
I have two school-age children the last time I moved they were both in preschool. It's much better now, but busy.
Where I lived now is Clinton country and even Huckabee. During the primary I always had to be careful not to repeat unsubstantiated rumors, I didn't want anyone to think I really knew them, because I don't. I know someone who visited the White House during Bill's last days in office. He was at a high-school reunion. That's as close as I've come.; November 13, 2008 2:42 PM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; November 13, 2008 2:42 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Vwis

I have a couple of half brothers that live in Ark. So how long have you lived there? AJ; November 13, 2008 2:45 PM
vwis said...: Since the end of 2001. There's a story.; November 13, 2008 2:50 PM
vwis said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; November 13, 2008 2:51 PM
vwis said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; November 13, 2008 2:52 PM
jean said...: Aunt Jean,
It says in the System Requirements that Vista is OK.
Give it a shot.
You can always uninstall.
I did not understand till I did it ,
that you click on it like you would on Internet Explorer to get on the web.
To refresh you hit upload.
Just some info:)
Maybe you already know it.
jean; November 13, 2008 2:53 PM
vwis said...: Is that a pic of you?; November 13, 2008 2:53 PM
jean said...: Sorry, instead of upload I meant
reload.

jean; November 13, 2008 2:55 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Vwis

so you've been there for awhile.So you see you moving again anytime soon? So you're children are closebeing teens. If you had to move how would they feel about that? You said that there was a story well is it interesting? HA HA AJ; November 13, 2008 2:55 PM
Beryl said...: Did I not tell y'all about the AK Senate race?

No way are they going to let a felon be elected because that will bring too much attention to their crooked election system there. They will bring in enough Dem votes to over turn the Senate race but not enough to substantially narrow the Presidential margins.

The new question now should be this:

How many NEW votes for Obama have they suddenly turned up in Alaska?; November 13, 2008 2:56 PM
vwis said...: I have to be careful to always preview and reread my comments before I post. Otherwise I find myself deleting to often. Sorry about that.; November 13, 2008 2:57 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Vwis

if you are asking me about the pic. It's Miranda Lambert and Blake Shelton. I went to their concert this past weekend in Dallas got to met Miranda in oerson. Had a blast was an awesome concert. AJ

Jean
thanks for the info. AJ; November 13, 2008 2:59 PM
jean said...: Did anyone feel the Earth Move????
I think I just helped someone with their computer.
LOL.
jean; November 13, 2008 2:59 PM
vwis said...: I don't know if I will be moving again, no plans right now. We'll move if the right opportunity presents itself.; November 13, 2008 3:02 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Jean
you're silly LOL LOL. Oh-------- maybe I did!!!!!!!!! AJ; November 13, 2008 3:02 PM
jean said...: beryl,
Yep, I think you are correct.

Positive, Won't see Palin in the Senate:)

jean; November 13, 2008 3:04 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Jean

THANK GOODNESS!!!!!!!!! AJ; November 13, 2008 3:07 PM
vwis said...: Jean are you not a techie?

Beryl,

Do you think they'd allow a convicted felon if they thought he'd resign (set Palin free to replace him or just vote her out in 2010). I heard in an interview of him and he has no intention of that.; November 13, 2008 3:08 PM
vwis said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; November 13, 2008 3:13 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Jean, Aunt Jean, and anyone else just starting to use Firefox:

If the print on a page is too small (unless it is in a .jpg, .bmp file etc.), to enlarge the print:

While holding down the 'Ctrl' key, click the '+' key. Repeat to increase further;

To decrease the print size:

- To decrease one step, while holding down the 'Ctrl' key, click the '-' key. Repeat to decrease further;

- Or to decrease to default size, while holding down the 'Ctrl' key, click the '0' (zero) key.

Or you can do it the "Internet Explorer" method of going to 'View' at the top of the page, click 'Zoom' and click 'Zoom In'. If further increase is necessary, repeat all steps. I find it much easier to hold down one key, then click one other key as necessary to increase the font size enough. VBG

Mike; November 13, 2008 3:15 PM
vwis said...: Beryl,

There should be a question mark after that 1st sentence. Sorry!; November 13, 2008 3:16 PM
vwis said...: Jean,

It's only interesting if you like stories about tail-spin events.; November 13, 2008 3:20 PM
Independent Voter said...: vwis,

Regarding the "gay school", I know there is one in New York City, but I haven't heard about any here in CA (or even talk of one). However, I am somewhat conflicted on the issue.

On one hand yes, they do need protection, but I don't think a separate school is the answer for a few reasons. First, most gays aren't "out" in their teen years, for good reason, many are still seeking to find out who they are (granted some already know by that time, but most simply don't). Who does segregation actually help? Nobody, because they would lose that interaction that is necessary to learn early on as to how to deal with difficult situations later in life.

Another reason I don't support separate schools is simply the equal access provision from Brown. Believe it or not (and many people still to this day don't), equal access means equal access for everyone. Since most teens aren't "out" the classroom sizes would be much smaller than a typical public school. Which means that the education provided at the segregated school would more than likely be better because of more accessibility to the teachers, hence a better quality education. With that said, what would prevent straight teens (and their parents) from suing to gain access to the school? If the school is considered a private school, there isn't much that anyone can do about it. This is also the reason why I don't believe in school vouchers being used for private schools. Private school do discriminate and are allowed by law to discriminate.

Anyway, I could go on, but I'm running late for school, so I will come back later and provide a couple more reasons I don't like the idea of segregated school.; November 13, 2008 3:20 PM
jean said...: Thanks mike in maryland.

Things are going to be so difficult.

The Taliban will try to make Iraq look like a picnic.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7728345.stm

Just info. Info that really sucks.

vwis, Having a problem following what you mean. It is Thursday and I am slow today.

jean; November 13, 2008 3:34 PM
vwis said...: Jean,

That last comment was for Aunt Jean. I forgot there were two Jeans posting here.; November 13, 2008 3:52 PM
vwis said...: Independent Voter,

I had much the same sentiment and concerns. I pondered also, whether we were not making gays the new blacks. That may be OK in fashion(I mean on the runway--gays are the new black), but wrong in human rights.

Another thought I had was would the best teachers be attracted to teach there by their own bias or others around them (ie. their family and friends)? We have had that issue now with intercity schools that are primarily AA black.

I think that a better way would be to teach tolerance. We may not think all the same, but we can get along and not feel threatened by a different point of view. We actually gain wisdom from these experiences is what I have found.; November 13, 2008 4:11 PM
vwis said...: Aunt Jean,

Only if you like stories about peoples lives in tail-spin.; November 13, 2008 4:14 PM
vwis said...: MinM

I bet you that Obama can use diplomacy and perhaps even get us in a better position with the Taliban that may lead to peace in Afghanistan. By Zabihullah Mujahid even coming out and opening up is a start.; November 13, 2008 4:23 PM
Beryl said...: "Do you think they'd allow a convicted felon if they thought he'd resign (set Palin free to replace him or just vote her out in 2010)."

Hard to tell but I don't think the majority of AK voted for him. I think their election is rigged and they are now letting in the DEM votes they held back. It is pretty stinky up in AK.; November 13, 2008 4:33 PM
tmess2 said...: Looks like they will be counting around 10,000 ballots on Friday and the remaining 30,000 on Tuesday in Alaska.; November 13, 2008 5:16 PM
Karen Anne said...: If you're just starting up with firefox, there are a couple of nifty addons you might want. (click on tools, then addons, then getextensions, which brings you to a page to find them and download.)

I use Adblock Plus and Flashblock.; November 13, 2008 5:46 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: The recent story about the gay school was in CHICAGO.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/13/gay.friendly.school/index.html?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail

.; November 13, 2008 7:54 PM
Independent Voter said...: WOW!!!! Did I just hear Keith Olbermann correctly? Secretary of State Hillary Clinton? WOW!!!!!!!!

That would be a GREAT move, IMO!; November 13, 2008 8:02 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike in Maryland or Jean

will firefox work on vista. It says just windows? AJ; November 13, 2008 8:02 PM
Independent Voter said...: Leah, thanks for the story, there is also a gay school in NYC.; November 13, 2008 8:02 PM
Independent Voter said...: AJ, yes it does work with Vista....here is the LINK if you would like to verify it.; November 13, 2008 8:05 PM
jean said...: Aunt Jean,
I think you missed my prior post and Indy OF COURSE made it fancy so you could see it.

Indy,
YES, HRC as Secretary of State.
Do you think she will take it?

jean; November 13, 2008 8:19 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: No one has confirmed that the post was offered to HRC.

Everyone is running on rumors at this point.; November 13, 2008 8:25 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: IF and that is still a big IF HRC is under consideration for the position then she would NOT be the only one that is under consideration there are other folks still in the running.

I think everyone should just sit back and relax and wait for an official announcement.

I hope we don't go through a week of what we went through when everyone was speculating on IF Obama would pick her for VP.

But then again 'that' might knock Palin out of the news cycles for a couple of days ;); November 13, 2008 8:29 PM
jean said...: leah,
The question is do you think she would take it if she was offered?

There is noway that this will not be speculated on.

It is a interesting question.

jean; November 13, 2008 8:37 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: vwis said...
MinM

I bet you that Obama can use diplomacy . . . .

And this is in reference to what post that I might have made?????????????????????????

Inclusion of some snippet of the previous message CAN be of help in framing your comment, and in helping others understand what you are discussing.; November 13, 2008 8:39 PM
jean said...: mike in maryland,
I think vwis confused my prior post when I said Thank You for the help with Fire Fox. I then added a post on Afghanistan.

jean; November 13, 2008 8:45 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: jean-

I don't know what she would do.
She has said that she wants to remain as NY senator, but maybe not.

If she were to take a cabinet position then I would bet that she would not be able to take off anytime from the position to run a campaign in 2012. So that is an interesting thought too.

And if Obama were to offer her the position perhaps he is thinking about 2012 and 'tying' her up in the cabinet is part of his strategy! Hahahaha!
And if she doesn't take the position perhaps it is because she is planning a comeback in 2012.

I wish Obama would just post a list of everyone that will be in the cabinet and get it over with! ;); November 13, 2008 8:46 PM
vwis said...: To all that I have confused today. I speed read. I read at least 3 newspapers and I watch all the cable news channels. I like to get a variety of points of view. I also use to typeset for a living. Speed and accuracy was important. Speed being the most at the newspaper I worked at. My accuracy was never the best, my proofreading is not either. I use to have proofreaders who did that. I thank you MinM for that tip. I will try that in the future.
Presently I am mother and I am always multitasking. I blog, I read, taxi my kids, help with homework and clean most of the time.; November 13, 2008 9:21 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Begich gained 10 more in his lead today, so that puts him 824 ahead of Stevens.; November 13, 2008 9:23 PM
jean said...: leah,
I think she would be a fantastic Secretary of State.

I think it was leaked so that she will say AGAIN that she is not interested.
I think she will be named Co-Chair of Healthcare with Kennedy and shortly, he will resign for obvious reasons.

Unfortunately I think Richardson will get the position but after she says she is not interested.

The Hahahahahaha I do not appreciate unless you mean something else.

HRC truly helped Obama to win the presidency in more ways than one.

jean; November 13, 2008 9:27 PM
vwis said...: Leah,

Thanks for that link. I only heard it on MSNBC and I only remembered it was a place that started with the letter C.

On the front page today Matt posted an article on intellectuals. I was wanting to research that article more to see if was the one that said W was more articulate than Obama. HUH! I wanted to see who wrote it and research whether the writer was a Republican spin-doctor.; November 13, 2008 9:32 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: jean-

Lighten up, it was a joke!

If you haven't watched the Rahm Emanuel CURE roast (two hours) then I highly recommend it to everyone to see.

If Rahm, Obama, Hillary, etc. can make jokes about each other - so can we.; November 13, 2008 9:32 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I was just looking at these numbers of past presidential elections and it's pretty amazing how BLUE Texas used to be!

http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/historical/presidential.shtml

.; November 13, 2008 9:35 PM
Independent Voter said...: Jean, I honestly think she would take it and I think she would do a great job. She has already met with many world leaders. Granted she didn't meet with them in an "official" capacity, but they have met and are already comfortable with her. I think she would be a lot better than Albright or Rice ever were (but then again I never did like Albright).

Leah, that is fantastic news out of Alaska voting for Begich. Now I do have to take back something I said last week about people in Alaska apparently not caring whether or not they vote for convicted felons. So to those Alaskans who voted for Begich, Thank you, and SORRY for the generalization.

Now onto more amusing news....I was kind of irritated earlier (phone call with mom - bitter loser) anyway, I needed some cheering up so I went over to read the blog comments on PUMAPAC from last Tuesday.....I was LAUGHING MY BOOTIE OFF!!!!!!! Boy were they pissed off on Tuesday....LOLOLOLOLOL; November 13, 2008 10:04 PM
Independent Voter said...: Leah, where did you get that number from? I just went over to the Alaska elections website and don't see the updated results with the additional 10 votes.; November 13, 2008 10:05 PM
vwis said...: MinM,

I just tried your suggestion on Crl + for zoom. That's terrific it may help me frame the post that I'm reading so that I don't read two or three posts at once.; November 13, 2008 10:09 PM
jean said...: Leah,
Yes I need to lighten up, Full Moon,
Two Teenagers, Indy don't say a word,
and the thought of Richardson as Secretary of State gives me a tummy ache.

I am looking for a laugh:)

jean; November 13, 2008 10:15 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Indy-

Mark Begich was on Rachel Maddow's Show tonight and HE said that he pick up 10 more points today in his lead so it brought it up to 824.

I'll have to try to catch the rebroadcast coming up soon and listen again.; November 13, 2008 10:20 PM
Independent Voter said...: Okay jean, do you really want a good laugh? I have a joke for you, it's kind of crude, but it is funny. And it makes fun of gays...LOL

I posted it on the rants and raves that I created a while ago which can be found HERE

This way instead of putting it on here, people could decide whether or not they wanted to go over there and read it. Like I said, it IS CRUDE!; November 13, 2008 10:21 PM
Independent Voter said...: Oh thanks Leah. I saw that she had him on but I didn't really pay attention to that particular interview...LOL; November 13, 2008 10:23 PM
Independent Voter said...: Oh and by the way, I really really really liked the way Rachel made the case to throw LIEberman out on his ass.; November 13, 2008 10:25 PM
jean said...: Indy,
I liked it:)

I also liked how Rachel put Lieberman away.
The husband now watches Rachel and he really likes her.
I also can say that he cannot stand Countdown.

Wow, even after your conversation you are pretty nifty; even during full moon. You continue to amaze me:)

jean; November 13, 2008 10:37 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: vwis,

I can speed read also. I can multi-task also. I try to NOT let those traits interfere with the accuracy and coherency of messages I post.

Before I retired I was a contract specialist at a federal government agency. I sometimes had multiple contracts in various stages of pre-award, ready for award, and post-award, with and without problems, and/or multiple reasons for discussion/planning/review. Many times I had to discuss several contracts with my boss, sometimes with his boss, and his (my boss's boss's) boss, all at the same meeting.

One thing I already knew, but RELIGIOUSLY followed, was to frame any remarks with enough information to let everyone know exactly which contract I was referencing when discussing that contract, and also why I was discussing that particular contract. By doing that, I didn't have to waste EVERYONE's time with backtracking to fill in information to make sure everyone was on the same page. This was important because of time constraints on various people's schedules, and thus time wasn't wasted in people saying 'Back up there. What are we discussing?'

In other words, in my book, multi-tasking is no excuse for piss-poor messages.

Speed can be important, but accuracy and coherency is usually even more important. One of the easiest ways to be accurate and coherent when responding to a message is to copy and paste a portion of the previous post, if appropriate.

Take the time to post a coherent message, or don't post until you can take the time to post a coherent message. Take the time to review the message before hitting the post button. Doing that may just save you (and other people) time, because you won't then have to go back and figure out what you were trying to say, but left out a word, typed in the wrong word, or otherwise made a post that reads differently than, or totally opposite of, what you intended and meant, then having to post again to make the previous message coherent.

Mike; November 13, 2008 10:43 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Jean! I thought you'd like it. I like to check out PUMA every now and then just to get a good laugh.

I didn't mention the full moon, remember this is supposed to be "our" (as in men) PMS. LOL; November 13, 2008 10:45 PM
jean said...: Indy,
Thanks, made me laugh, kids are absolutely killing me.
I know it is going to be fine, I think I need to add teenagers to the PMS full moon group:)

Going to bed so I can wake up on my farmers hours.
And I think I am going to have a Martini TOO. Or maybe TWO.

jean; November 13, 2008 11:12 PM
Independent Voter said...: Jean, LOL g'night......have one for me too.; November 13, 2008 11:19 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike in Maryland

who pissed on your wheaties!Relax this isn't a state of the union address it's a blog!!! Laugh and enjoy!! AJ; November 14, 2008 12:01 AM
Beryl said...: lol @ this:

"who pissed on your wheaties!Relax this isn't a state of the union address it's a blog!!! Laugh and enjoy!! AJ "

I was thinking "whateva!" but nearly spit out my tea when I read your post, AJ.

At work, I'm pretty picky about emails. I learned 20+ years ago to never send an email that I didn't want our CEO to read. However, the anonymity of these blogs don't require the same level of precision, IMO. Blogging is one step away from text & instant messaging.

BB4N!; November 14, 2008 12:08 AM
Karen Anne said...: I hope no for Hillary as SOS. We already have Rahm Emanuel's Dad spouting off about Arabs only fit to be janitors, and Hillary is hard right on Israel, unlike Bill.

I have been hoping Obama will be evenhanded and make some progress towards peace in that area, which will never happen as long as the U.S. is 100% in Israel's corner and does not see the suffering of the Palestinians.; November 14, 2008 12:26 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike in Maryland
I meant that as a joke. I can remember my sister saying that to me when I was in a kinda foul mood or complaining. It always made me laugh. AJ

Vwis

I like all kinda tales!!!!; November 14, 2008 12:29 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Beryl

your tea didn't go up your nose or down the wrong pipe. I hate that when it happens. LOL AJ; November 14, 2008 12:34 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Well this gal is headed for bed you'll have a good night. AJ; November 14, 2008 12:38 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Aunt Jean,

Who pissed on my Wheaties? People who don't take the time to address their message to the proper person.

At least two people this week have been inconsiderate in posting a message meant for someone else, but addressing it to me. They claimed "I posted it in a hurry" or "Sorry, I was multi-tasking" or some other male bovine dropping response when called on the misaddressed response. If someone is that inconsiderate, why should I show any respect to them?

I fully realize that this is a comment forum (it is NOT a blog for those of us who post here except for Matt, Oreo, Doc Jess, Mr. Super, et. al.), but everyone should have enough respect for their fellow posters AND THEMSELVES to make sure their messages are at least coherent and addressed to the person to whom they are trying to convey a message.

If a person doesn't have the time to post coherently, then why the hell are they taking time to post in the first place? And if they don't provide a reference point when they post, then why should I respect their postings?

Frankly, I'm getting tired of people addressing message to me, searching for what I posted to cause that response, then ascertaining that it was someone else to whom the message was supposed to be directed. Such carelessness does not reflect well on the author of the misdirected message, shows they don't respect themselves and have pride in what they write, so why should I show any respect in return?

That is who pissed on my Wheaties, and why I'm on such a rant tonight.

Mike; November 14, 2008 12:45 AM
Beryl said...: Yay!

Obama/Biden won!

A village in Texas will reclaim their idot!

America will regain its respect in the world!

It is a new day!

Yay!

(I had to get that out of my system.); November 14, 2008 1:02 AM
Karen Anne said...: I forget who the other science fiction fans are here, but you may like this - Star Trek in lolcat -

http://granades.com/2007/05/02/loltrek/

My fav part is the ebay commercial.; November 14, 2008 7:51 AM
vwis said...: For anyone interested in breaking through those 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling.; November 14, 2008 10:18 AM
vwis said...: MinM,

I'm sorry I wasted your time.; November 14, 2008 10:22 AM
Oreo said...: Hello all! We've added a social bookmarking widget into all of our posts. You can now email, bookmark, or submit to places like reddit, digg, delicious, etc.

You have to click on the title of the post to see it. I'm working on having it show up on the front page and show the use the right link address.; November 14, 2008 11:15 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Beryl,

The one advantage of SarahBaracuda continuing to flap her lips is that she stays in the spotlight, thus 'energizing' the base of the GOP, making her the front-runner for 2012 GOP nomination. The more air she sucks out of the room for the other nominees, the more difficult it will be for them to get their campaign going.

If she does run and wins that nomination, I don't think it would take much of a campaign by the Democratic Party nominee to defeat her in the general election.

I can always flip the channel when she's on TV, so I'm not really against her being in the spotlight right now. If I thought she might have serious appeal for other than the religious-fanatic base of the GOP, then I would be concerned, but I think the more she flaps the lips, the more she excites the base, but at the same time she drives off the (what's left of it) moderate wing of the GOP, and alienates the Independents and Democrats.

Mike; November 14, 2008 12:23 PM
Beryl said...: MnM,

That is a good way to look at it for the Dems and I'm fine with that plan through 2012 because Obama will need 2 terms to clean up the mess he has inherited.

However, I'm not really a Dem and hate having almost NO choice when voting. I'm hoping that the more Palin spouts off nonsense, the more intelligent Repubs will reject her.; November 14, 2008 12:36 PM
Independent Voter said...: Agreed on Palin. The only thing is that I'm really getting sick of hearing her use of the words "also" "too" and "and" all back to back.; November 14, 2008 4:12 PM
jean said...: Indy,
WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY off topic.

I went to a Alternative High School
and a Performing High School. Yep,
one school was all College courses and the other I did Drama. No sports.

Is over 100 trying out for the girls basketball team really a lot.

The husband did all sports and I honestly do not want to get into that conversation:)

jean; November 14, 2008 4:39 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: vwis said...
MinM,

I'm sorry I wasted your time.

vwis -

The purpose of communicating (writing at DemComWatch, other Internet comment sites, writing a letter, etc.,) is to actually communicate - an exchange of information between two or more parties so that both (or all) parties to the communication can try to understand each other. Good communication consists of clear, precise, and meaningful information being transmitted. It usually takes a bit of effort and concentration, so that you transmit the full information you intend, in a somewhat (at a minimum) orderly and coherent manner.

Because of your lack of communicating in previous messages (unorderly, lack of attention to whom you are addressing messages, lack of sufficient detail to know what you are discussing, etc.), you will save me a lot of time now, as I will just skip over any messages from you. If they are addressed to me, I won't have to figure out if you were actually addressing them to someone else, but 'accidently' put my name on them. If they are addressed to me, and you actually meant to address the comment to me, then by skipping over the message, I won't have to try to decipher what you wrote while you were multi-tasking while writing the indecipherable words.

Thank you for saving me some of my time.

Mike; November 14, 2008 4:41 PM
jean said...: mike in maryland,
Do you really think that was necessary.
Couldn't you say be more careful it would be appreciated by all.
If you did see her posts that day she said she was frazzled.

By the way, notice my spelling.
Love firefox:) Thanks again.

jean; November 14, 2008 4:47 PM
Karen Anne said...: beryl,

I think it is too bad Arnold can't run for President. I too don't like thinking we have a choice between an okay candidate and a looney tine. It didn't used to be like that, not all the time, anyway.; November 14, 2008 6:26 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Hahahaha...

I just read this short article on CNN:

Commentary: Why U.S. has two half-presidents

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/14/mann.ct.obama.bush/index.html

and there is a really witty quote at the end...

Excerpt of the quote:

"He is immediately muscling his way into power," complains former Bush speechwriter David Frum. "Barack Obama said at his first press conference that the US has only one president at a time. He didn't say who that president was."; November 14, 2008 6:31 PM
Beryl said...: I kinda hope HRC is offered and accepts the SOS position. She is clearly up for it but there are many other good candidates (e.g. Kerry, Hagel, and even Richardson).

Obama has the same tough job many of us in the private sector have -- many good candidates for a few jobs.

These are some interesting times. It is exciting to actually observe and participate in historical events after such a lull of apathy. My aunts and parents were part of the civil rights and the anti-war movements in the 50s-70s but there really wasn't anything going on this engaging until now.

Anyone here apply for a job on change.gov?; November 14, 2008 6:52 PM
Independent Voter said...: KA,

Actually Arnold isn't too bad. I just don't like the way he came into power. Everyone blamed Gray Davis (D) for all the states financial problems hence the recall. This took place despite the fact that the majority of the problems were inherited from Pete Wilson (R).

Like you, I think he would do a good job, but I don't see the Constitution being amended anytime soon.; November 14, 2008 7:03 PM

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