Democratic Convention Watch: Open Thread

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

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suzihussein22 said...: You would think the other SD would be Rep. Bart Gordon. I'm glad they are making a statement before the very, very end tonight. Even though I hope in 2012 they will have a reform on this system.; June 03, 2008 6:59 PM
greywolf said...: To be honest, the more ungracious she is the more she lowers her potential of being on the ticket.
She really needs to consider her approach at this moment and the impact it has on the voters.

Granted she ran a good campaign. However her mistake was putting bill in charge of setting it up. Her mistake was listening to all her advisors; they lead her in the wrong direction. That is abundantly clear. Too many mistakes, too much pandering, too much let me tell you what I think you want to hear, too much division, too much of that cutting you competition down and making them appear unelectable. You made too many mistakes Hillary that is exactly why you lost this race.

Now I think it is time for some serious talking to see if you can salvage your position with in the party and maybe find yourself on the ticket as the VP. Personally I hope not, but that is not my decision to make. But just remember all those things you said about Obama that were demeaning as to his character, ability to lead, his electability, his passing that commander in chief threshold. All those things could come back to bite you where the sun does not shine. Just remember what you sow so shall you reap.; June 03, 2008 7:04 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Emma -

The good thing about the Hillary website is that there is really not that many different people that post over there compared to the Obama site. A few weeks ago I was over there and some of the articles had less than 20 posts on them.

I think that the diehard supporters might pout and stay home on election day but most will remember that they are democrats and will vote for our Democratic nominee.

OBAMA '08

p.s. I wish they would stop talking about Hillary on MSNBC constantly - this is really making me MAD!

.; June 03, 2008 7:05 PM
RobH said...: I saw Grey's post earlier regarding the entire Edwards list now in Obama's camp.

Has anyone seen specifically where the 10 delegates (7.5 votes) actually just came from?

Math tells me that it MUST be 5 FL 1/2's and 5 other fulls (it's the only way to get exactly 7.5) but I'd like to know where the 5 fulls came from (out of 5 IA, 1, NH, 1 SC)

Thanks.; June 03, 2008 7:07 PM
Bull Schmitt said...: Rob H -

It was Sharon Nordgren (NH), Tim Moore (SC), Merci Wolff (IA), David Redlawsk (IA).. and 7 FL halves.; June 03, 2008 7:10 PM
RobH said...: I wouldn't want them to clinch before the voting contests put him over. They're within ten now.

Somebody better put the brakes on.
I want this to last!
(Speaking tantric-ly (so to speak.); June 03, 2008 7:12 PM
greywolf said...: robh...

This is where they came from.. by state and area

FLORIDA

Joseph Beuttenmuller, Lake Mary

Barry Birdwell, Melbourne Beach

E. Alan Brock, Crawfordville

Deborah Courtney, Jacksonville

Rita Ferrandino, Sarasota

Fred McDowell, Leesburg

Mary Mooney, Crawfordville

Linda Spisak, Hobe Sound

Gregory Shimkaveg, Oviedo

Bill Vincent, Gulf Breeze

IOWA

Machelle Crum, Newton

Arlene Prather-Kane, Cedar Falls

David Relawsk, Iowa City

Merci Wolff, Sioux City

SOUTH CAROLINA

Lauren Bilton, Columbia

Daniel Boan, Kershaw

Christine Brennan-Bond, Moore

Michael Evatt, Seneca (birthplace of Senator Edwards)

Robert Groce, Summerville

Marilyn Hemingway, Georgetown

Tim Moore, Barnwell

Susan Smith, Pawley’s Island

NEW HAMPSHIRE

Deborah Bacon-Nelson, Hanover

Senator Peter Burling, Cornish

Rep. Sharon Nordgren, Hanover

Joshua Denton, Portsmouth

June 03, 2008 6:06 PM; June 03, 2008 7:12 PM
greywolf said...: robh

sorry i misunderstood what you were asking.; June 03, 2008 7:14 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Here's one way that Senator Obama could hold out the VP slot to Senator Clinton:

First a bit of background:

Senator Obama doesn't need to announce a VP candidate until the last day of the convention. In fact, that was the usual practice until just recently, and before that, the nominee let the convention pick the VP.

Now, what he needs to tell Senator Clinton is that he'll consider her on the list of VP candidates IF she makes a whole-hearted effort to campaign for him during the remainder of June, July, and August. She is required to explain how she will keep Bill on a short leash, and then keep him on that short leash. She would need to explain what will be done, and how it will be done, to keep Bill OUT of the spotlight after the nomination, in the general election campaign, and (presuming the GE victory) during the next four years.

ONLY if she gives satisfactory answers, and then follows through, with them, will she be considered.

We'd see how serious she is about a VP slot.

Of course, all the discussions would need to be very quiet, out of the public, so that neither side, especially Senator Obama, is embarrassed if she can't keep her promises (which I don't think she would make, and if she did, wouldn't be able to keep).

Mike; June 03, 2008 7:18 PM
greywolf said...: Mike

Your kidding me, Hillary keep Bill on a short leash. What makes any one think she can achieve that now when she has not been able to do it all these past years?; June 03, 2008 7:22 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: greywolf,

That's the idea.

Senator Obama would need her to tell him HOW she plans on doing it. Then when she can't, he can tell her if she can't keep her husband on a short leash, she can't keep a promise, and therefore she won't be consider.

I think that particular requirement is all that would be needed to make her not seek the VP slot. She already KNOWS she can't keep WJC on a short leash, or any leash for that matter.

Mike; June 03, 2008 7:29 PM
greywolf said...: Mike

Okay, I see, setting her up for failure. A good approach, yet I would just tell her no way from the get go. He can find someone that is much better and able to bring in the votes. Eva Peron is one of them..she is like McCain in that she was born overseas... but that could be fixed just as easily.

female, hispanic, some age to her, class act with carisma (sp).; June 03, 2008 7:33 PM
Kujo said...: I will tell you exactly what Clinton will say.

She will continue....

To fight for Health Care, Stopping the war ....

This has never been about her, its been about the policies of the future.

If she would of stopped campaining, then it would of shown a lack of commitment to these ideas.

She will continue to fight for these ideas, which are the foundation of the democratic party, with Obama in what ever capacity that is needed.

Thank You
And God Bless America; June 03, 2008 7:36 PM
apissedant said...: ugh, I knew it was a bad idea to call a Clinton supporter... they just won't stop.... "Obama played the race card"... "you're a sexist".... UGH; June 03, 2008 7:36 PM
Joshua said...: Leah Texas4Obama

"I wish they would stop talking about Hillary on MSNBC constantly - this is really making me MAD!"

Just curious: then why are you watching?; June 03, 2008 7:38 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: greywolf said...
Okay, I see, setting her up for failure.

Not really. It would be a way of making her realize that she can't be VP because of her inability to fulfill what he needs in a VP candidate.

She will have to admit that, not that he would be setting her up for failure.

Mike; June 03, 2008 7:39 PM
greywolf said...: Hillary let that anger build up, she let it fester to this point, she even got on the band wagon with her supporters and started the same retoric. It is up to her to heal the party. She needs to step up to the plate and do her best as she should; June 03, 2008 7:39 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike-

I can't stand FoxNews.
I dislike Lou Dobbs on CNN.
Glen Beck on the other CNN is a dweeb.
So that lives MSNBC ;) Mostly I really like MSNBC but today they just won't stop talking about HRC!

Today is OBAMA's DAY!!!

.; June 03, 2008 7:40 PM
Beryl said...: "Your kidding me, Hillary keep Bill on a short leash. What makes any one think she can achieve that now when she has not been able to do it all these past years? "

Exactly. The test of her ability to control Bill was during the Primaries and she failed miserably. I have no confidence in her being able to leash Bill. However, the rest of the party may have a plan which may be effective.

I still think Greenland would be a good place for him.; June 03, 2008 7:42 PM
countjellybean said...: Since the addition of Dennis Moore, the Obama count has jumped from 355.5 to 358.5. What's up?

Also, Maxine Waters has been removed from the Clinton list, but has not been added to the Obama list.; June 03, 2008 7:43 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Here are some exit poll results-

http://tinyurl.com/66mrgn; June 03, 2008 7:47 PM
greywolf said...: count jelly,,

I think oreo and matt have had enough today. The excitement got to them. There were so many coming on so fast that it was hard to keep up. But now it is kind of mute if you know what I mean. I am sure they will fix it tomorrow and in the days to come.; June 03, 2008 7:47 PM
RobH said...: Out plan
Out organize
Out manage
Out work
Out execute

Gee zooks, this team has been impressive. Flood the numbers at the right time, then getly easy up so you're in the right place at the right moment.

As gentle as throttle control )or luffing a sail) when easing a boat up to a dock.

Nicely done, Captain!; June 03, 2008 7:50 PM
greywolf said...: if everyone wants to know where the all the numbers are going to and who, scroll down just before the blog comments and that is where the rest are added on.

We are down to 9 needed.; June 03, 2008 7:51 PM
greywolf said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; June 03, 2008 7:51 PM
RobH said...: It might be that I'm easily impressed, or maybe I'm oveer-exuberant for the moment, but I'm thinking maybe the Repugs are thinking:

"Uh Oh!"; June 03, 2008 7:51 PM
Oregon Dem said...: OK some of you may think this idea crazy, when I first heard it I thought "Really?" but after a few minutes of thinking about it harder I thought this would be a great idea.

Obama goes to Clinton and says: "VP is one role I could see you in but the better role I see you in is as a Supreme Court Justice."

As an attorney I can tell you this - NO attorney would ever turn down a Supreme Court Justice position if asked. I also beleieve that Clinto would actually be a good Supreme Court Justice - heck who knows with her on the court maybe we could get Scallia and others to retire early....

Just a thought to spark discussion.; June 03, 2008 7:57 PM
Keryl said...: Based on Lou Dobbs and other repub talking heads. They are going to pound "doesn't he need Clinton as VP" line as hard as they can. It's win, win. If he takes her on the ticket, the repubs can galvanize their Clinton hating base, if he doesn't, they can galvanize the Obama hating Clintonites.

I hate to admit that it's smart.; June 03, 2008 7:57 PM
ed iglehart said...: Come on, Greywolf and all, there's no point in offering HRC the VP spot if she can promise to conform to rules. We've all seen just how much contempt she has for rules, even ones she's had a hand in writing.

It's a non-starter!

Now, where's that Guinness barrel?

Slainte!
ed; June 03, 2008 8:00 PM
apissedant said...: oregon,
A few things.

1-What would people think? In order to have this as a "coming together" gesture, he would have to announce prior to the November election. Would the general population like the idea of Clinton on the SC?

2-Does she really have the right experience? To my knowledge, she has not practiced Constitutional law. Though it is true that we have occasionally appointed people without judicial experience, most of them had extensive constitutional experience.; June 03, 2008 8:02 PM
Joshua said...: Leah Texas4Obama

I agree with you on all those stations. Except I have to add that even MSNBC gets on my nerve on how they have dwelt on the divisive parts of this primary; to the point that I have turned all TV off except for Jay Leno for just his monologue only, and occasional CSPAN. I have been a lot saner since I stopped watching TV. Plus I get a lot more current and useful news without it.

Don’t hold your breath on this being Obama’s night. HRC will find a way to rain on it.; June 03, 2008 8:02 PM
Naiomi said...: greywolf

Just a clarification...its moot not mute. Sorry, I know its a nitpick.; June 03, 2008 8:04 PM
apissedant said...: Clinton and her husband to have a lot of foreign policy experience, so why not secretary of state? I think it is important to offer a position that she is actually qualified for. This way it doesn't look like an empty gesture. It is also important, that if any position is offered at all.... it isn't a demeaning position far below her. I do not know if she would judge Secretary of State as demeaning... and I am willing to bet she would judge a simple federal judge spot as demeaning.; June 03, 2008 8:04 PM
apissedant said...: naoimi,
I've been ignoring that for days. ;)

The point can talk, but it no longer matters.; June 03, 2008 8:05 PM
apissedant said...: do not to, I hate typos; June 03, 2008 8:05 PM
RobH said...: Ed, It's been a pleasure travelling these last two months with you. Thanks for the company.

I didn't round up any Guinness tonight - somehow. My choice on this early summer eve is a Belgian White. (I'm so elitist.)

Anybody else here starting teh party yet?; June 03, 2008 8:09 PM
RobH said...: Look at theat crowd in St. Paul, and it's still 2-3 hours off.

What a party!; June 03, 2008 8:09 PM
Unknown said...: Let's give HRC her due, she is the only woman to do what she has done. Congratulations. Let's not talk about SC or VP. She should propose who she thinks will do a good job there and abide by what the nominee decides.
She should have input on the cabinet and then accept the decision of the nominee.
Well done, HRC, now please get behind the nominee.
Obama 08, reelect 12
(ps- Wes Clark for VP!); June 03, 2008 8:10 PM
Oregon Dem said...: Ant:

The best (IMO) Supreme Court Justice we ever had had no legal experience what-so-ever...

William O Douglas

Besides the Court hears issues that involve Federal questions of which Constitutional law is just one small (though more watched) part.

What Obama and Clinton would just have to say is that Obama had assured her that she was to have a prominent role in the future of America. She would work hard for him because anyone would die for that position.; June 03, 2008 8:12 PM
RobH said...: Let's all no get caught up in the VP talk tonight. That decision is far off, and I trust Obama to get it right. Like someone said here earlier - if he thinks it's best, I'll trust his judgement (although it would not be my first, or even tenth, choice.); June 03, 2008 8:14 PM
Hippolytus said...: Oregon Dem and apissedant:
Oregon Dem said:
"Obama goes to Clinton and says: "VP is one role I could see you in but the better role I see you in is as a Supreme Court Justice."
__________
I would think having a Supreme Court vote that preserves Roe v. Wade would be enticing to Hillary. Being a lawyer myself, I don't think that the lack of a constitutional law background is a serious detriment to serving as a Justice. That position requires good judgment and political skills (not that Hillary possesses those in large amounts); her clerks can do the spade work for her. She's no dummy -- she can learn what needs to learn on the job.; June 03, 2008 8:14 PM
Auli Smedes said...: Apissedant, hi.

I just found this website yesterday and I started reading the posts on this thread this afternoon. I read one of your posts about freedom of speech in Europe. You're not saying people were surprised to find out there actually is freedom of speech over here, are you? We kind of have that for quite some time now :-) But even here in our country it sometimes goes wrong. Terribly wrong. Remember one of our politicians was murdered a couple years ago? That hadn't happened since 1584. A government leader getting assasinated I mean.

In The Netherlands we hardly understand the concept of being patriotic. Maybe we did at some point in history, but those times seem to be long gone. We do take a certain pride in being Dutch though. I think we just don't feel the need to express it that much. It's in our hearts, that's enough. Like, this flagpin debate? Something like that happening here would be unthinkable. The fact that someone would even bother to raise the issue or spend ink on it. That would be considered, well… kinda funny. We do love our country, we're just showing it differently.

You speak of being ashamed of your country's history? What history are you referring to? Give me anything and I raise you 'apartheid'. You do know that's a Dutch word, right? Or the situation in Northern Ireland? Do you realize the Dutch played a role in creating that? Battle of the Boyne mean anything to you? Did you know the Irish flag actually refers to Holland? For a third part. The orange part?
So no, not things we're particularly proud of, but what you gonna do about it? It happened. Don't let it happen again. Be better. Right? Oh and another fun fact. How many of you know that New York (NY) originally was a Dutch city? We were stupid enough to trade it for Surinam and 69 cents (give or take). Silly us.

I did catch that Pfleger-soundbite on CNN. So glad I'm not American so I'm free to laugh about it. I thought it was funny. Could have been mistaken for an episode of Saturday Night Live. I totally agree with you. Relating this to Mr. Obama or any other church member is splitting hairs. That's just looking for sticks and stones to hit someone with. I mean, someone actually went to this church every Sunday to report on what was going on there? Guess someone got a little too much time on their hands here.

But, back to the first issue, I'm happy to announce that this whole month of June, our whole nation will be extremely patriotic. For a month the whole country's colored royal orange. Our patriotism usually only shows during special events, like the European Soccer Championships that're due :-)

BTW: Emmen you say? Been to the local zoo yet? Did you visit Groningen already? Good choice, nothing above Groningen (quite literally I might add). Wonderful city, beautiful old university building. Did you know you're gonna be attending the second oldest university in our country? Founded in 1614. See, now I'm getting patriotic. Or cityotic. I was born in Groningen.; June 03, 2008 8:16 PM
Oregon Dem said...: ProDem:

I agree.

Congrats to Senator Clinton for getting oh so close and blazing the trail for those that will follow in her footsteps in years to come.; June 03, 2008 8:16 PM
tmess2 said...: As Oregon Dem noted, most of the cases decided by the Supreme Court are not constitutional law cases. All three of the decisions issued yesterday where about federal statutes. It's only a recent tradition to appoint only judges to the Supreme Court.

I still think the best thing that Obama can do is to, starting with Clinton, have a meeting with each of the former candidates (except for Gravel). Clinton will get a prime time speech, Edwards will get a prime time speech, the others will get a key staffer or two on the campaign team.

Depending on what the polls look like on July 4, Obama will decide if he needs to name a Clinton supporter to bring the party together or if the steps that he and Senator Clinton have taken have healed the wounds.

You will not see a VP named before mid-July.; June 03, 2008 8:19 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Oregon Dem -

I heard the talking heads on TV not long ago talking about Hillary as Supreme Court Justice and they said that the thought of that would bring ALL Republicans out from the woodwork to fight hard against Obama if he proposed that idea.

_______; June 03, 2008 8:19 PM
Meg said...: In case you all didn't pick this up from the other blog, Matt says that the only things they are able to update currently are the left box and the post on the front page (I scrolled past the grey boxes to see the latest 3 SD's (Hong, Jefferson and Nunley).

What a great night!!; June 03, 2008 8:20 PM
ed iglehart said...: Rob & all,

The pleasure's mutual. Someone's given me a nice bottle of Lagavulin, my favourite malt whiskey from the island of Islay - very smoky/peaty, and not a bit understated.

Hold out your virtual glasses...

Slainte!

Guinness for thirst, and malt for sippin.; June 03, 2008 8:22 PM
Hippolytus said...: jpsedona said...

"Since everyone has rummaged around in hillary's baggage for years, has anyone found an opera-like pants suit for her solo tonight?"
____________

How about the outfit of Lady Macbeth in Verdi's Macbeth? Or a gender reversal--the jester in Rigoletto (although she going to be looking like a sad clown tonight).; June 03, 2008 8:23 PM
apissedant said...: My question is not whether or not she can do the job, or even do the job well. My question is on how it looks, and eventually on confirmation hearings. Yes, she is very smart, she is an accomplished attorney, and she would definitely be a welcome liberal voice on the bench.
What would the people, the voters, and the Senators think?

Douglas was appointed in an unmatched 3rd presidential term for FDR. The country was in love with FDR, and the Republicans were happy to at least have stopped packing the court. He was very good, although I would have to disagree on best ever. He was the exception that proves the rule(IMHO).

I am no lawyer, I am just a soon to be Chemist. Though my dad is a lawyer, I realize this gives me little insight, because unlike Clinton and Bush, I don't believe knowledge and experience are processed through osmosis.; June 03, 2008 8:24 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: apissedant said: "Clinton and her husband to have a lot of foreign policy experience, so why not secretary of state?"
________________

This is one of the reasons I did not like that Hillary was our first possible female president. She and Bill are looked at as a team.

Hillary does not have foreign experience. That was one of the reasons she made up the Bosnia story and the Ireland story spin.

Bill had his eight years as President and Hillary had her eight years in the White House. I think that is enough.

It is time for something new and new ideas.

The Past vs. the FUTURE :); June 03, 2008 8:24 PM
greywolf said...: CNN has Obama 4 short of the nomination. No one else is tracking the numbers or reporting them at this moment.; June 03, 2008 8:25 PM
Kujo said...: With 10 more to go

New endorsements hot off the wire.

Kujo endorses Obama
Leah endorses Obama
greywolf endorses Obama
robh endorses Obama
apissedant endorses Obama
jpsedona endorses Obama
Emma endorses Obama
Beryl endorses Obama
softspoken22 endorses Obama

now we only need 1, who can it be?

YAMAKA endorses Obama!!!!!

(then my alarm goes off, urgh); June 03, 2008 8:25 PM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Kujo, I feel left out.

Is it because I'm an Independent?

;o)

08ama; June 03, 2008 8:27 PM
Naiomi said...: Kujo!

Don't forget me. I've been for Obama all along :(; June 03, 2008 8:28 PM
apissedant said...: leah,
I have repeatedly said that I don't think osmosis experience counts as experience... however! She has had several meetings with foreign leaders and traveled abroad quite a bit. Also, the fact is the MSM and the general population has given her a pass on this. They have given her an honorary degree for sleeping in the same house as the President. The people, the MSM, and she will accept the idea that she has enough experience for that job. I am not a huge fan, but Bill was great with foreign relations. We can't give Bill that job, because he would see it as below him, and it would like like a slap in the face to not give Hillary a job. I don't know. I would rather have her stay in senate and eventually build up her credibility again. I'm just brainstorming if there is a way to bring her on board again.; June 03, 2008 8:35 PM
ed iglehart said...: And me!

I found this

But we shouldn't gloat

Oh why not?

;-)
ed; June 03, 2008 8:36 PM
Kujo said...: Sorry everyone

I just went backwards on the list and looked to see if it was an Obama supporter until I reached 10.

I will wait and and anounce after he clinches. You all can take my spot. I know we all are from Michigan and count has half vote so I can get more names in.

But the funny thing was when I started the email it was only 8, then went up to 10 again :(; June 03, 2008 8:36 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: THAT WITCH!!!

Just now on MSNBC they said:

Hillary's camp has told Obama's camp that Hillary is not going to play nice if Obama picks ANOTHER WOMAN for VP!

She has to go home and leave Obama's campaign alone !!!

.; June 03, 2008 8:37 PM
Meg said...: Leah:
I printed out the predictions you made a few days ago for tonight's races. What's the prize if you're right? You have Obama picking up 17 and winning both. Gee I wonder what that will do to the mythical POPULAR VOTE?

Do you think Aunt Jean will ever come back? I came on this blog about the time you had taken her last insult and decided to ignore her, something the rest of us didn't have the self control to do.; June 03, 2008 8:37 PM
RobH said...: I'm watching McCain's speech on MSNBC. You kn ow what I hear him saying?

"Uh Oh."; June 03, 2008 8:44 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Emma-

I wrote down

SoDak Obama 10 Clinton 6
Montana Obama 9 Clinton 6

but that doesn't sound right LOL - but I have had a little bit of rum - celebrating.

I think he might either lose South Dakota (looking at the polls) or he will win South Dakota since the news came out early today that he was going to clinch the nomination. Hard to tell now ;)

I think he will win Montana easy. The American Indians adopted him a week or so ago and gave him an Indian name that translates to something like 'the keeper of the land'... and the family that adopted him was "Black Eagle" so now he is Obama Black Eagle ;)

All I know is I am very happy that tonight we can all breathe easier :)

OBAMA/Sebelius '08; June 03, 2008 8:45 PM
mbel2522 said...: I'm disgusted watching McCain tonight. He is SO BORING and OLD. I can't stop watching his teeth. He's like watching Dole in '92. Hopefully he loses as bad.

How does anyone, even a republican, even consider electing someone older than their grandpa to be president?; June 03, 2008 8:48 PM
RobH said...: You know I must be feeling cocky tonight.

I'm thinking:

Our guy just took down the Clintons...THE CLINTONS.

Exactly what problem will he have with an underfunded, dispirited, and outnumbered (by 10:7), mcCain?; June 03, 2008 8:49 PM
Larry Parker said...: Hey Shrillary, don't push too hard for number two. It might hurt.; June 03, 2008 8:50 PM
RobH said...: Leah. Celebrate.; June 03, 2008 8:51 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: Listening to msnbc (tv) - listening to McCain rev up the attack machine ...; June 03, 2008 8:52 PM
Auli Smedes said...: apissedant wrote: "It is funny that so many people from foreign countries know so much about our country, and we cannot even name the Queen of the Netherlands, or the Prime Minister of England. We are a bit ignorant and self-indulgent as countries go. =/ I am unfortunately included in that by the way, though I am attempting to better myself."

Don't worry, ask anyone outside the USA what's the capital of California and 99 out 100 times you'll get "Los Angeles". I sometimes quiz acquaintances about the capital of New York state. Very funny.
On average I think most foreigners to your country don't get the concept that the USA actually consists of 50 different countries(and I didn't really either until some years ago). Maybe it's because state borders aren't neatly defined by language like here in Europe (more or less). I mean, in Texas the main language is still American English, not Texan (they just have a funny accent; no offense meant to any Texan :-).; June 03, 2008 8:52 PM
RobH said...: This guy has got to know he's in trouble. What, are there ten people there listening to him???

Like Hillary must have known the writing was on the wall when she decried him for "oooh, the big rally's"...what must this guy think?; June 03, 2008 8:53 PM
RobH said...: Make that eight.
Someone cue the audience.
Someone wake upthe audience.; June 03, 2008 8:54 PM
Dave in NC said...: McCain announces his VP choice:

His old pal Jerry Tahl.; June 03, 2008 8:55 PM
Emit R Detsaw said...: John McScary

He may not be senile, but damn.....

maybe he is.; June 03, 2008 8:56 PM
mumblin said...: easy now..
can I just add to the waves and waves of people already saying this..
Mr. Hussein, please dont take HRC as VP.. sebelius is good...

omg hillary is a tart !; June 03, 2008 8:57 PM
Kujo said...: McCaine made a big mistake in speaking today. He is such a horible speaker. And that Fake smile. Remind me Bush.

By speaking today people will compare his speach with Obama's. He does not hold water.; June 03, 2008 8:58 PM
Hippolytus said...: I ought to be recording the McCain speech so that I can replay it when I have insomnia.; June 03, 2008 8:59 PM
Keryl said...: MSNBC just broke into McCain to declare Obama the presumptive nominee. Wahoooooooooooooo!; June 03, 2008 9:01 PM
November Politics said...: BREAKING NEWS:

CNN claims Sen. Obama has enough delegates for nomination :); June 03, 2008 9:01 PM
RobH said...: I'm embarrassed watching John McCain. His delivery is haltingly bad....heh heh "that's not the change blah dee blah dee blah...

Roll call.

Anybody think this guy stands a chance? It's embarrassing.; June 03, 2008 9:03 PM
November Politics said...: The way Sen. McCain delivered his speech looked so scripted. From the way he talked to the way he shifted his head from one side of the room to the other every few seconds.; June 03, 2008 9:05 PM
Dave in NC said...: McCain is about to announce his plan to end the war in Vietnam!; June 03, 2008 9:05 PM
apissedant said...: Paulina,
My wife is from the Netherlands. Whenever we meet new people, they always ask if that's near Amsterdam. People here think Amsterdam is a country.
Most people in this country also don't know the capital of New York or California.; June 03, 2008 9:07 PM
Keryl said...: MSNBC pundits are just gushing about Obama right now. They are besides themselves with the historical significance of this moment.

I am in tears. (it's a little embarrassing.); June 03, 2008 9:07 PM
Keryl said...: Of course it won't be real until the box on DCW reads 0.; June 03, 2008 9:09 PM
Meg said...: What a wonderful night! McCain is toast. Even his supporters (all 45 of them) sound limp.

Let's hope Hill does the right thing tonight. If not, then screw her. I could add to that, but I won't.; June 03, 2008 9:12 PM
Hippolytus said...: MSNBC reports that we have a a presumptive nominee. Yippee!!!!; June 03, 2008 9:14 PM
Unknown said...: Is McCain still even speaking? Does he realize that he's been cut off all the major networks! It's hilarious!! Now we go to Hillary... what could she possibly have to say tonight that's relevant if she doesn't concede? Also, does anyone know what time Obama will be speaking tonight?; June 03, 2008 9:14 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: WOOOO HOOOOOOO !!!!!

We have OUR NOMINEE!!!

OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA!

Man-o-man I can't wait until Obama and McCain are on the same stage together. McCain looks ancient! And that hehehe laugh he has is horrible! He has cut down on how many 'my friends' he usually says!

Obama is gonna wipe the floor with McCain!

The Republicans are in TROUBLE!

OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA '08; June 03, 2008 9:16 PM
Hippolytus said...: keryl said:
"I am in tears. (it's a little embarrassing.)"
_____
Let the tears flow...they are tears of joy. I want to remember this night for a long time!; June 03, 2008 9:16 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: MSNBC and CNN cut off McCain when Obama secured the nomination - but FoxNews didn't.

WE LOVE YOU MSNBC and Cnn :); June 03, 2008 9:20 PM
RobH said...: Pat Buchanan is a numb-nuts.
What a cretin.; June 03, 2008 9:22 PM
tmess2 said...: You know, someone on the McCain advance team just doesn't appreciate history. Wanting to use Katrina to demonstrate a difference from Bush he doesn't go to New Orleans proper, he goes to Kenner in Jefferson Parish Louisiana.

For those not from Louisiana, Jefferson Parrish is where all the whites moved out to the suburbs in the 50s and 60s to avoid having their kids attend desegregated schools.; June 03, 2008 9:26 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: RobH said...
Pat Buchanan is a numb-nuts.

Rob,

Did you see Countdown last night? Keith played a scene from the National Spelling Bee where the student thought the word to spell was 'numb-nuts' (it actually was numnah - the blanket between a saddle and a horse's back). His reaction was priceless. The eye brows arched, and the eyes got significantly larger.

Although when that word was given two years ago, the contestant reacted in even more dramatic manner - he actually totally fainted on stage.

Mike; June 03, 2008 9:29 PM
apissedant said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; June 03, 2008 9:29 PM
suzihussein22 said...: finished supper, and for dessert, we baked cookies.;); June 03, 2008 9:31 PM
Dave in NC said...: Clinton wins in SD.

Oh well, it's likely the last SD she will get tonight.

:); June 03, 2008 9:31 PM
Emit R Detsaw said...: tmess2 - that's another link between McCain. He was with Bush when Katrina hit. And Bush didn't know N.O. was underwater until days later?; June 03, 2008 9:31 PM
Hippolytus said...: Keryl said...

"Of course it won't be real until the box on DCW reads 0."
______
We're down to 1.5!; June 03, 2008 9:32 PM
apissedant said...: Bill had to zip up. It takes a minute.; June 03, 2008 9:32 PM
apissedant said...: Apparently Montana votes don't count. South Dakota gets the last word.; June 03, 2008 9:34 PM
apissedant said...: flabby arms behind her is funny. Keep shaking that flag buddy.; June 03, 2008 9:36 PM
apissedant said...: Hillary Clinton just said STAYED THE COURSE!!!!! RIP OFF THE BUSH MASK!; June 03, 2008 9:40 PM
apissedant said...: she voted for NCLB. I hate this woman.; June 03, 2008 9:43 PM
Miranda said...: I can't even believe that I am hearing all of this...the fact that she won SD will drag this on forever. And then she says "Stay the Course!!!" Only thing left is to send us all over to "hillaryclinton-DOT-COM" and give her more money. I can't even fathom what must be going through her mind.; June 03, 2008 9:43 PM
Keryl said...: What does Hillary want? Power, power, power, power, power.; June 03, 2008 9:44 PM
Keryl said...: The number is at .5!; June 03, 2008 9:45 PM
Kujo said...: Currently .5 needed.

Where is Yamaka we need your vote; June 03, 2008 9:46 PM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Miranda, you must have missed it. She did it a bit differently tonight so far. She thanked those that went to her website.

And there is a huge banner on the wall behind her that has the site. ;o); June 03, 2008 9:46 PM
apissedant said...: Miranda,
Don't worry, she opened with HillaryClinton.com, she can't start and end with the same line, can she?; June 03, 2008 9:46 PM
RobH said...: She already commended her supporters that "vissited hillaryclintondot com to show their tangible support .

How f-in' funny is that?; June 03, 2008 9:47 PM
apissedant said...: Why weren't the minority plants behind her cheering DENVER also?; June 03, 2008 9:48 PM
Independent Voter said...: WOW! Still talking about the kid who sold his bike and video games. Unreal! GIVE HIM HIS BIKE AND VIDEO GAMES BACK ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!; June 03, 2008 9:49 PM
Dilbuck said...: Hahaha she just brought up the 11 year old boy again. When they chat Denver, Hill... you had better calm them down. This is definitely not needed.; June 03, 2008 9:49 PM
apissedant said...: WHAT!?!?!? WASTE OF MY TIME!; June 03, 2008 9:49 PM
RobH said...: She still doesn't get it.

Taking the soldiers spare money, and the kid's bike money.

Ouch, when will she start advocating swiping teh church plate coins????; June 03, 2008 9:49 PM
apissedant said...: DONATE MORE MONEY!!!; June 03, 2008 9:50 PM
Dilbuck said...: There it is!!! Give me money!; June 03, 2008 9:50 PM
Miranda said...: Oh!!!! Silly me!! The baby started crying and I had to run her in a bottle, so I did miss it. And tangible support even! Lol!!! That was so rude.

ROFL!! SHe just did it again!! She can start and end the same, lol; June 03, 2008 9:50 PM
Keryl said...: Oh, everybody go to Hillaryclinton.com and tell her to please get behind Obama.; June 03, 2008 9:50 PM
apissedant said...: good call miranda; June 03, 2008 9:50 PM
RobH said...: GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!

(actually nobody really cares if you will make no desision tonight.); June 03, 2008 9:51 PM
apissedant said...: watch flabby arms!! He's hilarious.; June 03, 2008 9:51 PM
RobH said...: Bill's gettin' some tonight!

Just not in Chappaqua.; June 03, 2008 9:51 PM
Dilbuck said...: I think her VP chance just flew out the window.; June 03, 2008 9:52 PM
RobH said...: Bring it Barack!

Fired up, ready to go!; June 03, 2008 9:53 PM
Dilbuck said...: Way to bust out 9/11 Guliani.; June 03, 2008 9:54 PM
RobH said...: Bring it Barack!

Fired up, ready to go!

YEAHHHHHHHH!; June 03, 2008 9:54 PM
apissedant said...: dillbuck,
I just went to her website and complained about using 9/11 and stay the course. I reminded her she is running for the DEMOCRATIC nomination.; June 03, 2008 9:55 PM
RobH said...: Forgive me for saying this, but watching Bill, it looks like he's scanning for groupies......; June 03, 2008 9:55 PM
apissedant said...: I think her VP position just shot up. She might be forcing him to invite her before she drops out.; June 03, 2008 9:56 PM
Dave in NC said...: Clinton: "No barrier we can't overcome"...except 2118.; June 03, 2008 9:56 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: So she says ". . . so we can act like Americans again."

Americans back the underdog while there is still some possibility, but they do NOT back the person who doesn't know when to get off the stage after they've LOST.

Americans, let Hillary know she's LOST, and that she needs to GRACIOUSLY exit the stage before she's forced off that stage.

Mike; June 03, 2008 9:57 PM
Hippolytus said...: Hillary's last line was strange:
"if we only start acting like Americans again"(!?!)
Not a bad performance, all things considered, but she's toast.; June 03, 2008 9:57 PM
RobH said...: DCW shows 2117.5

Yippieeeee?!?!?!; June 03, 2008 9:57 PM
Dilbuck said...: Anyone else see McCaullife dancing? He must have been in the bag! Montana will get called for Obama right away I believe.; June 03, 2008 9:57 PM
Dave in NC said...: What good is it to answer the phone at 3:00AM if you still can't make a decision tonight?; June 03, 2008 9:58 PM
tmess2 said...: What a graceless exit.

I can barely understand not being willing to acknowledge that he has the votes he need.

But at the end of the campaign, at least say some nice things about your opponent (whether your win or lose). In a primary, at least say that we share the same values and have the same goals.

I don't care if you still want to say that you are the one best able to win in November, but make it clear to both sides that this is about choosing the best person, not about any real major differences.; June 03, 2008 9:59 PM
suzihussein22 said...: robh-Nah, everybody already makes change out of offering plates.;); June 03, 2008 9:59 PM
Hippolytus said...: Dilbuck said...
"There it is!!! Give me money!"
______
Bill: "Show me the honey!"; June 03, 2008 10:00 PM
Dilbuck said...: Obama with Montana and therefore 5 more SD's.; June 03, 2008 10:00 PM
apissedant said...: I'm terrified. I really thing VP is almost guaranteed. She is blackmailing his chance at presidency until she gets VP. I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her I hate her.; June 03, 2008 10:00 PM
apissedant said...: *think; June 03, 2008 10:01 PM
Keryl said...: Where's Texas Leah when you need a tally?

The number is gone :-); June 03, 2008 10:02 PM
apissedant said...: I think Barack Obama is going at least double secret service protection now. This is not good.; June 03, 2008 10:02 PM
Dilbuck said...: Do you think I should go to her website and tell her I will sell my bike and video games if she concedes?; June 03, 2008 10:02 PM
apissedant said...: *going to need

I'm going to pick up the wife. That was terribly disappointing.; June 03, 2008 10:03 PM
RobH said...: "She has let it be known that she would like to be VP."

How long will it take her/them to realize they don't get to command these things anymore. The party - and the control - is no longer theirs?

Time will pass, and these things will become easier.; June 03, 2008 10:04 PM
apissedant said...: dillbuck,
She already has someone that sold their bike and video games. You should sell your porn collection.; June 03, 2008 10:04 PM
Hippolytus said...: VP issue is just one more test for Barack to demonstrate that he will not be rolled by the Clintons. She has played her last card, and has nothin'. I hope he jams her by picking a woman like Sebelius.; June 03, 2008 10:06 PM
Dilbuck said...: apissedant,

I get all my porn for free online though so that wouldn't do much good.

While seeing Carville on CNN right now I can't help but think of Stephen Colbert when he was on the Daily Show while seeing Carville. "I loved you in Slingblade."; June 03, 2008 10:06 PM
Miranda said...: I'm watching MSNBC and I could swear that they basically just said she is not going to concede the nomination until she gets VP. What do you think it's going to take?? Al Gore endorsing? The convention? The announcement that Obama has won the presidency in November? Or do you think she is still going to keep staying the course even beyond that?; June 03, 2008 10:07 PM
mumblin said...: if hussein is bullied into accepting billary as vp, then he's a wimp, and deserves not to win.. in that case you yanks deserve Mcshame !!!

can you believe the entire american nation's credibility now rests on the shoulders of a BLACK MAN ?...

*lol he's coming in at MN to.. its a beautiful day..*

GOBAMA; June 03, 2008 10:08 PM
Hippolytus said...: I also think it would be brilliant on Obama's part to deliver his message about turning a page. Another not so subtle way to deliver the message that it's a new day!
Here goes Obama...; June 03, 2008 10:09 PM
Dilbuck said...: Part of me wishes that he would just tell off the Clinton's and let them know that this is HIS party now.; June 03, 2008 10:10 PM
RobH said...: Hippo @10:16.

I agree with you completely.
Another test - he'll pass easily.
She got no chips.
Done.; June 03, 2008 10:11 PM
mumblin said...: lol he did the ol' harlem fist shake with his missus; June 03, 2008 10:11 PM
Independent Voter said...: Come on y'all......she CAN'T concede yet. She needs money. She has to at least give the appearance of going forward because she has $25+ million in debts that she needs to pay off.

LMAO!!!!!!!! FOOLS!; June 03, 2008 10:12 PM
RobH said...: He just took down the Clintons.
THE CLINTONS !!!
Do you get that??
John? Do you get that?; June 03, 2008 10:12 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: ". . . who built the best political organization in the country."

Was that a knock on CNN's "Best Political Team"?

Hehehehehe

Mike; June 03, 2008 10:14 PM
Dilbuck said...: Good call on the turning of the page. Move right on by Hillary and focus completely elsewhere. Let her have her little fun and games and move on. You Presidential Nominee Obama took down the Clinton Machine in perhaps the biggest political upset EVER.; June 03, 2008 10:15 PM
RobH said...: I know I shouldn't say this , but right now I am very nervous fo his safety.; June 03, 2008 10:15 PM
mumblin said...: robH, we must be like brothers or something... me 2 and I'm 5000 miles away..; June 03, 2008 10:17 PM
Dilbuck said...: Rob, I said the same thing to my fiance right before he started.

At least one of these candidates will show complete respect to everyone who ran and will give Hillary her due. Hillary may be a fighter, but Obama shows a stronger strength in character.; June 03, 2008 10:18 PM
Unknown said...: Congratulations to John McCain - the next President of the United States.

The Democrats just nominated the unelectable candidate.

McCain 2008 Hillary 2012; June 03, 2008 10:19 PM
RobH said...: The contrast between his treatment of her, and her treatment of him, tells you everything you need to know about their characters.; June 03, 2008 10:20 PM
mumblin said...: thats because she's a bitch, and he has dignity; June 03, 2008 10:21 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Just did a Google on the word magnanimous, and one of the results was from May 21 by "John Q. Citizen":

"The difference is Obama is magnanimous in victory and Clinton is petty in defeat."

I think that sums it up pretty clearly, especially tonight.

Mike; June 03, 2008 10:22 PM
Dilbuck said...: Nice to see the supers just keep piling on right now. He will be crushing her very soon in delegates.

Now it's time to bring McCain down big time. With the focus moving onto attacking McCain he will crumble quickly.; June 03, 2008 10:23 PM
mumblin said...: check this nutter out.. he's giving Mcshame respect...
is he off his head ?

omg.. this is what the world needs..

GOBAMA; June 03, 2008 10:24 PM
rkw said...: Guys,

Give Hillary and Barack a little room and a little time.

Politics about a lot of things. Among those are power, money, timing, compromise, negotiation, and thick skins.

Hillary won a lot of votes and a lot of delegates. That gives her power, but only for a short time. She is going to do what she can to leverage that power in negotiating with the new head of the party.

Hillary can't be president now, but she can be Senator from New York for a long time without the support of Barack Obama. However, Barack Obama probably can't be president without at least some level of support from Hillary.

Hillary knows that. Barack knows that. Hillary doesn't have enough leverage to dictate terms, but she can get something for her concession. She's not going to give that away. And that is politics.

It's all going to be fine. Barack says he wants to bring people together. Here's a chance to prove that. We will be better off, if Hillary and Bill and their supporters vote for, campaign for, and give to the Obama campaign for the fall.

Give it a day or a week. Hillary will get a promise and a chance for dignity. Barack will get to be the party's nominee.; June 03, 2008 10:26 PM
Dilbuck said...: Governor Bill Ritter of CO just endorsed Obama and the CA delegates are flooding to him. They are uniting quite quickly behind the Nominee.; June 03, 2008 10:26 PM
mumblin said...: rkw.... NO; June 03, 2008 10:27 PM
bikrrchik said...: I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF RAILRAOD THESE FOLKS CAME IN ON, BUT IF ANY OF THESE SUPERDELEGATES THINK OBAMA CAN WIN ARE WRONG. HILLARY IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN WIN AND THEY BETTER SMELL THE COFFEE QUICK!!! WE WILL NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA AND I'M SURE AT LEAST HALF OF THE 18 MILLION THAT WANT HILLARY WILL EITHER!!! WHAT HAS OBAMA DONE????? NOTHING!!!!!!!!!; June 03, 2008 10:27 PM
RobH said...: LOL

Right now, Hillary is in a limo heading north out of Manhattan for Chappaqua......alone.; June 03, 2008 10:27 PM
bikrrchik said...: WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL THESE SUPERDELEGATES???? CAN'T YOU SEE WHAT HILLARY EVEN DID IN SOUTH DAKOTA AND THE LAST FEW MONTHS. THAT'S WHO NEEDS TO BE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. WHAT HAS OBAMA DONE??????? NOTHING!!!! WE WILL NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA.......EVER!!!!!!!! THEY SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER. JUST ANOTHER REPUBLICAN!!; June 03, 2008 10:29 PM
Dilbuck said...: bik r chik

Is that you Aunt Jean? Did you get this idea from yam to create more than one name?

Nice punch on McCain there about going to cities in the US instead of Iraq. Very well played.; June 03, 2008 10:29 PM
Kujo said...: apissedant,

Did you listen to the McCaine Speach. We have a new war and the enemy is much more evil then Clinton.

If she is the VP, fine I can handle it. The VP is not that big of a role in the Administration. I'd rather have her a VP then Secretary of State.

We need to focus our energy now on the Big Fish.; June 03, 2008 10:30 PM
RobH said...: What kinda railroad you got in mind, bikrrchck

An "underground" railroad??

Ho HO HO you are sooooo clever.
I get it....; June 03, 2008 10:31 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Clean up in aisle 7, please. Someone got angry and dropped a stink bomb on the forum.

Mike; June 03, 2008 10:32 PM
Dilbuck said...: This is shaping up to be one of his great speeches. I can't wait for Obama to run circles around McCain during the debates.; June 03, 2008 10:32 PM
apissedant said...: rkw,
She should get nothing for her concession. Those are PEOPLE, those are VOTES, those are THEIR dollars. SHE wants something for HER for all of her SUPPORTERS hard work and money. RIDICULOUS! The best thing for her supporters is a Democrat in the White House. GIVE THEM THAT. She cannot be given VP now. Not when she presents it like that. I know that is what she is pushing for, but it will look horrible. She had better odds before the speech. If she becomes the VP nominee now, our odds of winning in November will go down. If she doesn't shut up or go hide back in New York, our odds of winning in November go way down. She is killing our country for personal gain!! She is using OUR PAIN as LEVERAGE for her own PERSONAL GAIN!
I don't want that as my leader. I wish I lived in NY so I could work on her losing her Senate seat too.; June 03, 2008 10:35 PM
Dilbuck said...: How about that line off the front page for Obama endorsers?

MD Rep. John Sarbarnes
NC Muriel Offerman
MT Margaret Campbell
AZ Rep. Gabrielle Giffords
CA Christine Pelosi
CA Rachel Binah switches from Clinton to Obama.
CA Rep. Sam Farr
CA Rep. Bob Filner
CA Rep. Jerry McNerney
CO Gov. Bill Ritter
FL Michael Ceasar*
FL Rep. Ron Klein*
GA Michael Thurmond switches from Clinton to Obama
KS Helen Knetzer
LA Patsy Arcenaux
ME Sam Spencer
MI Bart Stupak
MO Yolanda Wheat
NV Sam Lieberman
NV Catherine Cortez Masto
NJ Rep. Rush Hold
NC David Parker
OK Jay Parmley
OR Bill Bradbury
PA Ian Murray switches from Clinton to Obama
VA Jim Leaman 2150; June 03, 2008 10:35 PM
bikrrchik said...: nope, no aunt jean....just a supporter with a lot of friends that support hillary. i think his speech is just another blahhhh, blahhhhh, blahhhh. hillary's was pretty good though. he's a talker, that's what he does. he sure hasn't done anything else yet.; June 03, 2008 10:36 PM
apissedant said...: kujo,
No, I missed the speech of McCain. However, if she gets him to give her what she wants, how will that look? How do you think she will behave as the VP? She will be convinced she runs the show. It'll be like John Adams' presidency, if it happens at all.; June 03, 2008 10:37 PM
apissedant said...: bikkrchick,
She stole her entire speech from George Bush, she talked against a program she voted for, she talked against a war she voted for.... Basically all she did was say everything she has done in Senate has been wrong, but elect her to be president and she'll fix all her mistakes.; June 03, 2008 10:38 PM
Dilbuck said...: Great speech. Not that I expected anything else. Impressive and great. Fired up ready to go. Time to work on getting my state to stay blue.; June 03, 2008 10:39 PM
bikrrchik said...: his wife reminds me of omarosa; June 03, 2008 10:39 PM
mumblin said...: SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIT

GOOOOD SPEECH

GOBAMA; June 03, 2008 10:39 PM
Kujo said...: In comparing McCaine to Clinton approach in attacking Obama, it reminds me of her January - February time where she tried to paint herself as someone of Change and paint Obama as something he was not.

This approached failed miserably.

You listen to Obama say what is change and look at McCain (Or Clinton) and see same old same old.

By November you will see McCain evolve like Clinton to the voters who will vote by race.; June 03, 2008 10:41 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Clean up in aisle 7, please. Someone got angry and is starting to bring up racist-tinged language in their posts.

Mike; June 03, 2008 10:45 PM
Independent Voter said...: bikr b......er....chik

Have you been to the website to donate lately? I didn't think so. You better hurry up. She is about $25 million in debt. She needs your help and QUICK! The longer you wait the faster the ship sinks.; June 03, 2008 10:45 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Yee Haw! Congratulations Dems! Congratulations USA! Slainte to our friends abroad! I raise my goblet in a toast to a better future, better stewardship, a change we can make happen!; June 03, 2008 10:46 PM
RobH said...: So far Obama has picked up 50.5 Sd's today. Either:

a) how well choreographed, or
b) want a bunch of cowards, for them to "jump on board."; June 03, 2008 10:47 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Kujo,

My last message was NOT directed towards you, but the new poster on this thread, the one who SHOUTED their message.

Mike; June 03, 2008 10:47 PM
tmess2 said...: Clinton needs to take a very long thought about what she does next. She has no chance now of ever being the Democratic nominee for President regardless of what happens this year. If she keeps this up to the convention, she will have a very tough primary fight in 2012 and could lose it.; June 03, 2008 10:48 PM
RobH said...: biker chick

the face of Hillary's remaining constituency.

Dow it feel like a release to not have to hide behind your Yamaka / stopobamanow persona, and tell us how your really feel?

Must feel great, eh?; June 03, 2008 10:49 PM
Meg said...: Great speech!! Gonna watch the returns. My husband wants to know what all of us on this blog are going to talk about now.; June 03, 2008 10:52 PM
Independent Voter said...: robh,

Regarding the SD's, I don't think it was cowardly at all of them to wait. They simply wanted to show respect to the loser, and we all know who that is!; June 03, 2008 10:52 PM
Markk said...: Big congrats to Senator Obama and his supporters. Win or lose in November, he has alot to be proud of.

My concern for Senator Obama is that as much as he speaks about 'bringing America together' and his always well-given talking points, his voting record just doesn't speak to that sort of bipartisianship.

Regardless of the Senator's oratory, it's his (to me) overly liberal voting record and agenda that is my main concern.

It's always great to hear someone speak about his 'vision' for the future of America. God knows, there's precious little of that kind of talk these days. But if he's just going to be a big-government, higher-taxes (couched as 'sacrifices') president, that won't do much to actually help the country.

Hopefully his talk isn't just talk and he really will actually be more of a bipartisian president should he win, but his past just doesn't support that belief unfortunately. We'll have to see I guess...; June 03, 2008 10:54 PM
RobH said...: IV,

Yeah, you're right.; June 03, 2008 10:54 PM
suzihussein22 said...: robh-or c)some of both; June 03, 2008 10:56 PM
ed iglehart said...: Just watching McChip's speech

Gaaaah! What a creep! Check the "smile"

Good night all. It's early morning here and the birds are already singing.

xx
ed; June 03, 2008 10:56 PM

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