Democratic Convention Watch: Open Thread

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

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Beryl said...: Aunt Jean,

This is where we disagree. I hope HRC learned from her failed attempts to implement universal health care as First Lady. Her old "my way or no way" style resulted in us getting NO NEW HEALTH CARE PLAN AT ALL.

Neither HRC's or Obama's health care plans (which are similar) will pass -- AS IS. We will only get an affordable plan with significant bipartisan negotiation and compromise. If she did learn from that failure, she will indeed be a good leader either in the WH or as a Governor (which I think is her next ambition).

I'm not trying to hurt your feelings because clearly you idolize her. HRC is a strong and smart lady but it takes more than intelligence and strength to be a successful leader.; July 01, 2008 12:40 AM
Independent Voter said...: Aunt Jean, I'm glad to hear you had a great B-day. And thanks, I'm sure that we will have a blast! We love Palm Springs even though it's a little warm, but I'm also sure that I will be coming back with one hell of a tan :); July 01, 2008 12:46 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave where at about the tan [ don't answer that VBG. It's always very nice better than nice to go somewhere that you like with someone you care about. Jean; July 01, 2008 12:49 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Beryl and I agree with you but I also think that she's got it. Her time will come just not now.Jean; July 01, 2008 12:52 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "Her old "my way or no way" style resulted in us getting NO NEW HEALTH CARE PLAN AT ALL."

Why HRC's UHC failed in 1993:

1. American public WERE not ready for a Single Payer "Cradle to Grave" Health Card.

2. Hospitals, HMOs, Pharmaceutical Companies banded together and spent nearly 150 million dollars in Ads to oppose the UHC.

What has changed now?

3. Now, the Big Businesses like Auto WANT UHC. American public realize that SHE was after all right to push for UHC. Because, now they feel, that's the most important thing to revitalize the American Business and the Competitiveness of the Workers.

In that regard, HRC was ahead of her time - she wanted to create something larger than life. The opposition was immense then, but now WE ALL want it. In deed, she saw what most people failed to see at that time in 1993 - fifteen years ahead of most of us. That's the trait of a real LEADER!

Stay tuned.; July 01, 2008 1:03 AM
Independent Voter said...: AJ, yes it is very nice. I really can't wait. I can't wait to just sit by the pool and retire myself to doing nothing for the weekend. Of course it is also the weekend before finals :( but I won't be studying at all over the weekend. :); July 01, 2008 1:03 AM
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Independent Voter said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 01, 2008 1:11 AM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Leah!; July 01, 2008 1:11 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave just put those books and finals out of your mind and drink and enjoy. Jean; July 01, 2008 1:12 AM
apissedant said...: Mike in Md,
Very cute story, I wonder if it worked. ;); July 01, 2008 1:12 AM
Independent Voter said...: Leah, I'm glad you figured out what I was doing with that.; July 01, 2008 1:12 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Hey Dave looks like Leah's doing your thing LOL. Jean; July 01, 2008 1:13 AM
Independent Voter said...: AJ, in the name of Yello, "OH YEAH!"; July 01, 2008 1:15 AM
Independent Voter said...: WTF? I just saw a commercial for a new "reality tv show" (as if they can really be called 'reality') entitled "The Baby Borrowers". They apparently are loaning other people's kids to teenagers who "want" to be parents.

What parents in their 'right' mind would even think about pimping their kids out like that? I don't get this. I understand the whole scare the hell out of them, but is that really the way to go about it?; July 01, 2008 1:20 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: iv- I was wondering the same thing about why she wasn't pushing UHC while in the senate.

My guess is that she may have lost her passion for it and she was using the issue in the campaign so she wouldn't have to talk about her 'war vote'.

I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall when she first heard Obama say that he would be sure that she would be involved in UHC once he gets into office! ;); July 01, 2008 1:20 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave you are funny [in a very nice way!!! VBG Now mw I've been just called plain weird. LOL Jean; July 01, 2008 1:21 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: tmess2 -

I enjoyed your comment/story up above, thank you for posting it.; July 01, 2008 1:22 AM
Independent Voter said...: Leah, I'm not sure that she lost her passion for it, especially since she evidently played an instrumental role in SCHIP, but I'm just not sure why she stopped there.

LOL AJ. I think we've all be called weird at one point or another...Hell every now and then Bill calls me much worse things than that (when we argue), but that always gives us both something to look forward to later if you know what I mean. ;); July 01, 2008 1:25 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: The McCain Residences: A Google Earth Tour (VIDEO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/01/the-mccain-residences-a-g_n_110118.html; July 01, 2008 1:31 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "If this issue is such a huge deal for her, why has she not introduced it over the past 8 years?"

The issue is very massive.

Even now she feels that unless the WH and 2/3 of Congress are with her the UHC cannot be achieved. It needs revolutionary changes in the mindset of the public and the Congress.

Because,

1.There are nearly 50% Americans who have comfortable private health insurance. The remaining 50% desperately NEED a massive reform. Are we really ready?

2. The cost is very prohibitive here. The private sector spends 7% of GDP (13 x .07 = 910 billion $) and public sector spends another 7% a total of 14%, when all our competitors spend only 7% in a year.

With massive reform we can achieve a 50% savings at the most, which means $910 billion/300 million = $3033 per person per year cost.

3. How could a poor family of four pay 3033 x 4 = $12,132 as premium per year for health insurance?

4. If the family cannot pay, who will pay for the cost? Is the public ready to pay 9-10% health tax per year to the Coffer?

Unless there is serious commitment in the part of the President and 2/3 of the Congress such a massive reform can't be undertaken.

BHO has no plans. He is making health insurance a "Voluntary Issue". Unless ALL are included in the pool, the risk cannot be reduced and the cost cannot be contained to 7% of the GDP. He is evading the hard problem, IMO. Because, it is too massive to handle.

Stay tuned.; July 01, 2008 1:31 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Hmmmm...

iv - maybe you should research the SCHIP/Hillary issue.

I was thinking that during the primaries I read an article and Sen. Kennedy or someone said that she did not have the involvement in that that she was claiming.

I can't remember how the whole thing went ...; July 01, 2008 1:34 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 01, 2008 1:37 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 01, 2008 1:37 AM
Independent Voter said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 01, 2008 1:37 AM
Independent Voter said...: AJ, I'm sorry, I was the one that brought it up, and it really wasn't geared toward you. My apologies, it was mainly geared to our resident troll.; July 01, 2008 1:39 AM
Independent Voter said...: Leah, I understand what you are saying, but behind the scenes Senator Clinton was involved and did play an instrumental role in getting SCHIP put into place.; July 01, 2008 1:40 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 01, 2008 1:42 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Aunt Jean said...
Leah why don't you just let it alone instead of trying to stir up trouble. She has been for UHC for many years I doubt that all of a sudden she feels differently. Jean; July 01, 2008 1:42 AM
Independent Voter said...: AJ, I'm deleting those posts. Because all stop is going to do is criticize Obama and like I said before I wasn't really trying to challenge her record, it was just something I found curious.

Anyway, again I'm sorry, I didn't mean to stir the pot. :(; July 01, 2008 1:43 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Kennedy/Hatch SCHIP

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/14/clinton_role_in_health_program_disputed/; July 01, 2008 1:45 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Talking about facts and history is NOT 'stirring up trouble'.

I refuse to be censured.

This is still America and there is still freedom of speech and issues can be discussed on this website.; July 01, 2008 1:47 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah I'm sorry. jean; July 01, 2008 1:48 AM
Independent Voter said...: leah, according to the second article you posted there were contradictory stories as far as her role so I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt on this one.; July 01, 2008 1:50 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Anyway... talking about Senator Kennedy I wonder how he is doing. I haven't heard anything since he was released from the hospital after his brain surgery. I'm sure he must have started chemo by now.; July 01, 2008 1:52 AM
Independent Voter said...: Ok kids, I'm headed to bed. Good night AJ, Leah, p'd ant, Jean, Emma, Karen Anne, MinM (if you're still around), etc......I hope I didn't forget anyone....see ya all tomorrow night.; July 01, 2008 1:53 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah I've said I'm sorry don't act like a jerk. Jean; July 01, 2008 1:53 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Hmmm I thought I only posted one article. I deleted the first post because I typed Kerry instead of Hatch ;)

Orin Hatch has had a rough time with cancer too.; July 01, 2008 1:53 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah sometimes you have a better than thou attitude it's very unbecoming in a woman. Jean; July 01, 2008 1:55 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Aunt Jean,

Thank you for saying you're sorry. I don't think I have said anything 'jerky' after you said it.

Goodnight iv - sweet dreams to you.; July 01, 2008 1:55 AM
Independent Voter said...: Leah, I hear ya. I try not to think about it too much, not that I don't like Sen. Kennedy, I just know what I had to go through when Bill went through chemo back in '99 and 2000. It was horrible to watch him go through the hell the chemo put him through. But 8 years later he hasn't had any recurrence of the cancer. Bills wasn't brain cancer, and that was rough. I can't even imagine what he and his family are going through.; July 01, 2008 1:56 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 01, 2008 1:57 AM
Independent Voter said...: AJ, I think you and Leah were probably posting at the same time when you had apologized. LOL.

Anyway, I'm really out of here now.

Night Night all. And thanks leah :); July 01, 2008 1:57 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 01, 2008 1:59 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave Goodnight sweet dreams. jean; July 01, 2008 2:06 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: regarding McCain's new plane - The Straight Talk Express

For their part, Democrats often attempt to use McCain’s Straight Talk Express (STE) bus as a vehicle (no pun intended course) to attack the presumptive GOP nominee.

Among our favorites:
–the STE taking a detour…
–the STE running out of gas/got a flat tire/needs a jump start….
–the STE coming off it’s tracks…(only .5 points awarded per use since we are talking about a bus–not a train)
–the campaign throwing (name surrogate here) under the bus…

So now it’s brainstorming time for the folks in Chicago and at the DNC but here are a few suggestions from a few bored members of the McCain press corps today:

–the bumpy ride is causing us to reach for our air sick bags/gripping seat cushions
–the STE never took off
–the STE is coming in for a bumpy landing
–the campaign threw (name surrogate) off without a parachute

From:
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/06/30/new-planenew-puns/; July 01, 2008 2:06 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Goodnight everyone except jayw. Jean; July 01, 2008 2:12 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: ... goodnight AJ.; July 01, 2008 2:15 AM
apissedant said...: Leah,
Good job in eventually letting the whole thing go, you're a big person. ;) We're all on the same side, and it is good to see that we EVENTUALLY remember that. We've all made plenty of mistakes on the venture to learning that, and I'm glad to see we can forgive each other's missteps.; July 01, 2008 2:25 AM
apissedant said...: Dave, I'm a little late and you're already in bed, but goodnight! (you'll read it tomorrow, close enough); July 01, 2008 2:25 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Quote of the Day

"They've got me muzzled... Now don't you print that... I really don't like to be interviewed."

-- Roberta McCain, mother of Sen. John McCain, in a brief interview with the Los Angeles Times.; July 01, 2008 2:27 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: From CNN...

Update, 8:40 p.m.: Gen. Wesley Clark (Ret.) issued the following statement Monday night:

"There are many important issues in this Presidential election, clearly one of the most important issues is national security and keeping the American people safe. In my opinion, protecting the American people is the most important duty of our next President. I have made comments in the past about John McCain's service and I want to reiterate them in order be crystal clear. As I have said before I honor John McCain's service as a prisoner of war and a Vietnam Veteran. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in Armed Forces as prisoner of war. I would never dishonor the service of someone who chose to wear the uniform for our nation.

"John McCain is running his campaign on his experience and how his experience would benefit him and our nation as President. That experience shows courage and commitment to our country - but it doesn't include executive experience wrestling with national policy or go-to-war decisions. And in this area his judgment has been flawed - he not only supported going into a war we didn't have to fight in Iraq, but has time and again undervalued other, non-military elements of national power that must be used effectively to protect America But as an American and former military officer I will not back down if I believe someone doesn't have sound judgment when it comes to our nation's most critical issues."
___________________

Obama/Sebelius '08
Obama/Clark '08; July 01, 2008 2:36 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: McCain Heads To Colombia, Already Tied To Country By Lobbyists

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/01/mccain-heads-to-colombia_n_110108.html

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Goodnight all ;); July 01, 2008 2:46 AM
apissedant said...: Leah,
Thanks for the quote from General Clark. That is a very good statement, and I'm proud to have him on my mysapce friend's list. LOL ;)

I think that makes up for his involvement in the 3am phone call ad.; July 01, 2008 3:04 AM
apissedant said...: However, due to 3am, I still say Clark CANNOT be VP.; July 01, 2008 3:12 AM
JayW said...: Aunt Jean,

You are so angry... I love it. The fact that you get so worked up can only be attributed to one thing... the truth hurts.

I think the best part of all your posts (besides calling me a pervert) is the quote "HRC's time will come."

Not a chance. Unless you consider her growing older and losing support day by day a success. After 8 years of Obama she will be too old to run (and at her current rate of weight gain, probably too fat to get out of bed). If she does happen to be mobile she will too busy changing Bill's diapers.; July 01, 2008 9:50 AM
jean said...: Good Morning,
Anyone here that Colin Powell in endorsing Obama?
jean; July 01, 2008 9:57 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: Hello There:

Obama/Clark 08 will be the best ticket for BHO.

McCain/Palin 08 will be the best ticket for McCain to get at least 350 EVs. Hillary Democrats will desert the undemocratic Democratic Party in tens of millions, because Sara Palin is just a charismatic leader. She articulates commonsense-solutions to America's perennial problems.

Clark will see that Obama goes back to Hyde Park very soon.

Wesley, you do a heck of a job. Keep it up, man!

Folks:

The Universal Health Care is dead and gone. By Nominating BHO, the Party has gutted it long time ago.

Major lobbyists (from the Drug Companies, the Insurance & Hospital Mafia) infiltrated the RBC/SDs of the Party and got the "Voluntary Health" BHO at the TOP!

Therefore, those w/o adequate health insurance suffer eternally.
And, the cost of healthcare will keep increasing to destroy America from inside!

Good job RBC/SDs, your hands are full of blood! No amount of holy waters from Ganges, Nile or MS can clean them!

BHO's Achilles Heel is exposed, and he has to pack his bags to go back to Hyde Park.Chu..Chu..Hiss..

Stay tuned. See you in the evening.; July 01, 2008 10:06 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: Long Live PUMA!

Long Live PUMA!; July 01, 2008 10:11 AM
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JayW said...: StopO (Yam),

Your posts make you seem very confident that Obama will lose the general election.

If that is the case, why don't you take me up on my wager offer?

I will take Obama in the general election, you can have all the others. I'll cover any amount you care to wager.

Or... you can just keep typing things that even you dont believe and everyone on here can keep laughing at your ignorance.; July 01, 2008 12:14 PM
apissedant said...: aunt jean,
Stay above of the fray and don't get a potty mouth yourself. Be the bigger person. There are plenty of reasonable people here that are completely willing to have a mature conversation without insulting you. If you really don't like someone, I suggest you ignore them and talk to those who you don't dislike. It isn't worth the aggravation to trade insults.; July 01, 2008 12:35 PM
jean said...: Aunt Jean,
Good Morning.
Ignore jayw.
You know what he is.
The husband was in the car to work and heard that Powell was going to endorse Obama today.
Sorry about the previous misspelling.
In to much of a hurry.
I really like Powell.
I'd love to see him as VP but the wife won't let him.
jean; July 01, 2008 12:38 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Apissedant

you are right I'm better than that. So from now on jayw is not worth my time and is on ignore.
Jean; July 01, 2008 12:40 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Jean

I like Powell he is one smart man and I've always liked and respected him. Jean; July 01, 2008 12:44 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Well got to go have a nice day catch you'll later. Jean; July 01, 2008 12:47 PM
apissedant said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 01, 2008 1:15 PM
Beryl said...: Powell cannot be VP and the main reason is the war. He was the moral compass that convinced many to go along with the LIE. When he stated Bush's case before the UN, I was thinking, "What the heck is he doing? He KNOWS this is crap!"

I know Powell is a good soldier. He told Bush Senior not to go to Iraq the first time but when Senior insisted, he carried out his orders excellently. However, I think he should have stepped down before having gone before the UN with Shrub's LIE.

I still care for Powell because I believe his heart is in the right place, he is brilliant, and he is a loyal American who previously served our country well. I just don't have the same respect for him now.

Bush is responsible for the destruction of countries, families, and reputations.; July 01, 2008 1:23 PM
jean said...: beryl,
You don't have to worry about him being VP.
Wife said noway.
Rumour has it though he is endorsing Obama.
jean; July 01, 2008 1:39 PM
Beryl said...: Send your cards & letters to the MSM. The McCains don't pay their tax bills on time.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/01/politics/main4223254.shtml?source=RSSattr=Politics_4223254b
http://www.newsweek.com/id/143775/

If this was Michelle's property, they would have been all over her.; July 01, 2008 2:37 PM
JayW said...: Aunt Jean,

You dont have the mental capacity to actually ignore me... it isnt in your nature. Your mind is weak and I can totally play your emotions like a fiddle.

Your just a bitter old lady... bitter because Hillary is, and always has been, a loser.

I actually feel bad for you, but at least you have your house full of cats to console you.; July 01, 2008 2:40 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: JayW - what is the purpose? other than being just plain mean? It's not the cordial sort of behavior that most of us engage in.; July 01, 2008 3:41 PM
suzihussein22 said...: leah-STE jet-I didn't hit the link, but how about that turbulence? Do they have their seats in the upright positions?

Yea! The news about McCains' property issues is looking like it's crossing over to msm.; July 01, 2008 4:50 PM
apissedant said...: Why is MSNBC misrepresenting and morphing Clark's words into something that they were not? It was an answer to someone's silly statement. It was not a statement by itself saying McCain was unfit for the WH. Someone was trying to say McCain was MORE qualified than Obama because he served and got shot down in Vietnam. The statement was that being shot down is not a qualification for sitting in the WH. It is not executive or leadership experience. It is nothing politically. His actions were heroic and admirable, but they have nothing to do with politics or the Presidency.; July 01, 2008 5:44 PM
JayW said...: Vicki,

You aren't far from the truth.

I just have no respect at all for Aunt Jean. I guess my words towards her and her posts are usually intended to incite a reaction and are really for my own entertainment. It is actually very effective at bringing a smile to my face when I see how worked up she gets.

I know I shouldn't have a battle of wits with someone that is unarmed like Aunt Jean... but I really just cant resist.; July 01, 2008 5:45 PM
Meg said...: Apissed:

I think the press, especially cable, is really bored right now. I watched Dan Abrams spend 30 minutes on this Clark thing last night. It was ridiculous. Clark handled himself quite well, despite being repeatedly asked the same question.; July 01, 2008 5:54 PM
suzihussein22 said...: apant-Have you seen what McCain is doing this week partly in response to criticism of his self-appointed executive experience? I'm surprised he hasn't called Clark a little jerk like he did a questioner at one of his speeches.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/30/mccain-uses-swift-boat-ve_n_110003.html; July 01, 2008 6:11 PM
Independent Voter said...: Thank you leah and dillbuck for picking up the slack for me while I was gone (yes this is regarding the OBAMA.....posts following stop's posts.; July 01, 2008 6:12 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: Hello There:

On CNN I just heard that Obama wants to follow Dubya Bush on "Faith Based Initiatives"!

Here he goes again, pandering to the religious Left, people like pastor Wright!

Wes Clark is talking again and again about how stupid he was in the last couple days: He is NOT backing down. He is being grilled on the difference between Kerry's and McCain's War Experience.

What experience BHO has?!!!!!!!

Wes wants the VP position with BHO!

Yes, Obama/Clark 08.
Yes, the Losing Ticket 08.; July 01, 2008 6:16 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: JayW-

I do not care who you respect or don't respect but you do need to respect the rules here that DCW has laid down.

You need to read the rule at the top of this page.; July 01, 2008 6:17 PM
JayW said...: Leah,

Once again, thanks for your concern.

I will be fine.; July 01, 2008 6:21 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: On Columbia Free Trade, McCain is hitting a home run.

BHO, where are you on expanding trade? Yes, you said NAFTA is not that bad, after all.

Then, why not support Columbia Free Trade?

You just lost a few million votes on this Free Trade Issue.

You call yourself as a New Type of Leader!

But, where is the beef?

Will you put some meat on the bone?

Stay tuned.; July 01, 2008 6:21 PM
Beryl said...: After listening to Randi Rhodes (Air America) and Michelle Bernard (MSNBC) today, I've changed my view about the Wes Clark comment. He was wrong and should shut up about it.

1. It was not only unnecessary, it was distracting.

a) It took away from two important Obama events that took place yesterday (patriotism speech) and today (faith-based partnerships without violating the separation between church and state). We should be talking about what he said over the last couple of days, not this junk.
b) It took away from the McCains skipping out on their taxes for 4 years! We should be talking about that tool.

2. It also caused people to defend McCain who should be constantly honored as a hero.

3. It highlights Obama's LACK of military service.

It makes me wonder if he deliberately was trying to cause this distraction. I don't put anything pass certain people (e.g. Clintons supporters) in their attempts to keep Obama from winning.; July 01, 2008 6:23 PM
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OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA; July 01, 2008 6:23 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: BHOs Propaganda Machine:

Powell has NOT endorsed any Candidate, as yet, as per CNN this evening.; July 01, 2008 6:29 PM
Meg said...: Beryl:

Nice piece at Huffington on the whole McCain/POW question

http://tinyurl.com/4wbzcl; July 01, 2008 6:30 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "It makes me wonder if he deliberately was trying to cause this distraction. I don't put anything pass certain people (e.g. Clintons supporters) in their attempts to keep Obama from winning."

Voila.... Wesley is a PUMA!

Good Wes, keep doing!

Stay tuned.; July 01, 2008 6:31 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: apissedant said...
Why is MSNBC misrepresenting and morphing Clark's words into something that they were not?

AP,

It is not all of MSNBC. Keith had General Clark on last night, and, as usual with all of his guests, Keith let the Gen. Clark explain himself.

The idiots on MSNBC making a big deal are people like Dan Abrams (who likes to make a federal case out of an ant hill, especially when it's a Democrat - witness his weeks on end saying that Clinton MUST be the VP nominee); 'Morning Joe' - the disgraced former Repig Congresscritter who left Congress when his (female) aide was found dead in his office); and Cucker Tarlson (intentionally misspelled) who is as Reich-wing Repig as the idiot Brad Blakeman (frequent 'analyst' on Abrams show).

Mathews has a style that I don't particularly like - the constant interruptions, the talking over a guest, etc. He also will push someone quite a bit. His intent is to get the person to make a flippant comment, or major gaffe, then he jumps on it. It works sometimes, but if the guest doesn't make a flippant comment, a major gaffe, or explode, then Mathews' style can backfire, reinforcing the point that Mathews was trying to debunk. And sometimes his constant interruptions allow the other person to wiggle out of the gaffe by Mathews appearing to be the thug and causing the gaffe to be misinterpreted. Sometimes it works, but Mathews uses those times as the excuse to keep using his style, thinking it works sometimes (in his mind, most of the time), so he just needs to refine it and it will work more often.

That is why I like Keith - he allows the person to speak, then hands them some more rope if they are making a fool of themself, and then allows them to hang themself, not get hanged by Keith. Russert had much the same style. His method was a bit different than Keith's, but just as effective. Russert, though, allowed his guests to hang themselves on an equal-opportunity basis (Democrat AND Republican) - Keith almost always does it solely on and to the pro-Shrub side.

Mike; July 01, 2008 6:34 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: A War Hero Kerry got 59 million votes and just 251 EVs.

What makes BHO, a novice on Military, National Security and Foreign Policy, to get more than what Kerry got in 2004?

Think hard.

Words... Just Words.. Won't Cut it.

BHO, Where is the Beef?

Stay tuned.; July 01, 2008 6:35 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "Keith almost always does it solely on and to the pro-Shrub side."

Rebellion in the FAR LEFT Magic Kingdom!

Keith is bad mouthing BHO!

Huffington warns of BHO moving to the Center!

BHO wants to expand Dubya's "Faith Based Initiatives" to warm the hearts of pastor Wright!

But, he gets only 22% of Evangelical votes, as opposed to McCain bagging 68% of them.

Messiah is missing steps!!

Stay tuned.; July 01, 2008 6:43 PM
Karen Anne said...: HuffPost:
According to a new Quinnipiac poll, as Joe Lieberman campaigns for McCain his approval rating at home is sinking:

Sen. Joseph Lieberman gets a 45 - 43 percent approval, down from 52 - 35 percent March 27 and his lowest score ever.

"Sen. Lieberman's approval rating has dropped below 50 percent for the first time in 14 years of polling, with nearly two-thirds of Democrats giving him low marks, probably because he is campaigning for Sen. John McCain," Dr. Schwartz said.

[Why it isn't 0, I have no idea.]; July 01, 2008 6:43 PM
Beryl said...: I love that we are seeing what many of us who are newly declared Dems saw in Obama -- someone who is not a pure "Democrat". I love his views on faith and what he is doing in that arena.

GO OBAMA!!!; July 01, 2008 6:47 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: JayW-

I have no 'concern'.

I was just asking you to read the rule at the top of the page and then if you wish to continue attacking people personally on the thread I will report you to Oreo and Matt. Have a nice day ;); July 01, 2008 6:49 PM
Karen Anne said...: Aunt Jean,

Just ignore Jay, scroll past without reading his stuff. I do that with him, Stop, and Yam.

None of the three are worth an instant of your time or anybody else's.

I too am wondering about Clark's motives. What he said was true, but I wonder if that was worth the annoyance it caused. In the past, he has said how high when the Clintons said jump.; July 01, 2008 6:55 PM
apissedant said...: Leah,
Wesley Clark's comment was 100% correct, unfortunately the media jumped on the band wagon, and too many Americans are ignorant. He is not PUMA, he has very little tact. Think of other military politicians, and it is quite clear: John McCain, Theodore Roosevelt, Jim Webb, and the list goes on.

The other type of ex-military politicians come off as having no personality: BoB Dole, John Kerry, and George Washington.

Those that spent several years in the military often lose their ability to realize what is appropriate or inappropriate to say with the public. Some overcompensate by doing the military public image thing, and looking boring. Others say they're no longer in the military, and now they can be their own person, and end up saying the stuff they used to say to shipmates in quarters on public television.

The attack on John Kerry 4 years ago was a million times worse, because it was an insult to his service. This isn't an insult to John McCain's service, just an astute point that that does not qualify him for President.; July 01, 2008 7:06 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Here is some perspective on the election from across the pond-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7483600.stm

McCain, how long will we have to wait for the straight talk to begin from you?; July 01, 2008 7:08 PM
apissedant said...: The chick from Air America did a good job with it on her program, and I am sure Keith did well too, but the rest seem to be touting the Republican message. Why it is inappropriate to question McCain's credentials while not questioning his heroism, while he cozies up to people that lied and questioned Kerry's patriotism... is just not right.
So basically, I completely agree with your analysis Mike in Md. I like Keith, but he is most definitely biased. Russert was a true nonpartisan with his reporting. He was fair to whoever was in front of him, only tackling them if they were wrong, and not making up facts in the process.
Mathews is mediocre. He is relatively fair, but he seems more interested in boosting ratings and his own stature than exposing truth or doing a public service. I still love what he did with Zell Miller though, maybe he can repeat it with Lieberman.; July 01, 2008 7:11 PM
apissedant said...: soft,
According to MSNBC, he has also received 69,000 in donations from SwiftBoat people. Two faced opportunist.

Leah,
As far as Obama's rightward transition, I am not a fan. I understand it is normal, and he feels it is necessary. Some of it I completely understand and support, but his 2nd amendment statement after the SC decision was politically smart, but morally wrong.

I love his moderate tone on NAFTA though. It comes very close to my opinion, which I have aired here several times. Those nations that compete on wages, benefits, environmental standards, worker safety, and child labor should have no, or very low tariffs. All others should be punished for their unfair policies in order to protect the American workers, and to force those nations to treat their citizens properly, and not as slave labor.; July 01, 2008 7:16 PM
jean said...: apissedant,
I think Obama put it quite well.
Clark said something"inartful" on a cable show.
It wasn't a lie but he could of said it better:)
Boy could we go about being "inartful" on this thread.
Looking at the previous discussions; ap, have you ever considered being a hostage negotiater? You would be good:); July 01, 2008 7:20 PM
apissedant said...: emma,
Great link!! Thanks so much for posting it!

jean,
Obama's answer was great, but the media's interpretation of his answer was not great. They all claimed he disavowed, or something else negative.
To show this, google, (obama disavows clark), and get 15,700 links. Google (obama clark inartful), and get less than 2,000.

To the second part, lol, thanks for the compliment. ;); July 01, 2008 7:31 PM
apissedant said...: OOHHHH!!!

FUNNIEST THING EVER!!!

For some reason, the AARP sent me a membership card today. Apparently 50 snuck up on me a lot faster than I ever would have expected.; July 01, 2008 7:33 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: Folks:

MoveOn.org is now matched by NRA to go against Obama.

National Rifle Assn wants to spend 15-40 million dollars against Obama in this GE!

On CNBC, some fellows say that Obama is a pro-growth Centrist like that of Bill Clinton!

What's going on?

Is BHO really moving towards the Center after talking with Bill yesterday?

Watch for a major Flip-Flop from BHO: He may reduce the Cap Gain Tax and freeze the current income tax rate for another 4 years!

He is indeed a tactful pragmatic politician from Chicago.

Not a Messiah!

Interesting.

Stay tuned.; July 01, 2008 7:36 PM
jean said...: apissedant,
I think that is the age of the mind, not the body. Despite your unusual movie collection:)
jean
I think the Clark thing is really minor.
The news is bored.; July 01, 2008 7:37 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - I'm 37 and I got an AARP advertisement in the mail last week. WTF?; July 01, 2008 7:49 PM
Karen Anne said...: Rasmussen just called. And of course I answered all the questions the right way. Am I chuffed :-)

By the way, it was an automated push button thing. Must be much more accurate than humans for this application. The questions seemed very balanced, no push-polling here.

Fellow RIers, who the heck is Bob Tingle(sp?) who from their questions is apparently running against Jack Reid. Can't even find him on the net.; July 01, 2008 8:04 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This is what I found...

Robert Tingle (Republican)

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Robert_Tingle; July 01, 2008 8:22 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: More on Tingle

Tingle, Robert Gerard (b. 1957) — also known as Robert G. Tingle; Bob Tingle — of Rhode Island. Born in Darby, Delaware County, Pa., October 24, 1957. Republican. Candidate for Rhode Island state house of representatives 16th District, 1998; delegate to Republican National Convention from Rhode Island, 2000; candidate for U.S. Representative from Rhode Island 2nd District, 2000. Catholic. Still living as of 2004.; July 01, 2008 8:25 PM
jean said...: Independant,
Levity is very important.
It seems many are getting restless with lack of news for the issues that are very important to them.
So picture this:
A bunch of 14 year old boys in a retirement center of which they are to entertain the older people for 1 1/2 hours without offending them.
Son is doing this tomorrow because he is returning to the community
what he has recieved.
He is on Allstars and this has been set up with the newspaper
to show the example of our youth.
It is cool but "Oh MY" as my motherinlaw says.
The entertainment quality is priceless;0
"Mom, can't I just find an old guy and pay chess?"
I love that dude, smart too.
jean; July 01, 2008 8:42 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL jean. I'm still curious though is 37 the new 50? And here I keep being told that 40 is the new 30 and 50 is the new 40, but I guess according to AARP we are all 50, regardless of our "real" age. :(; July 01, 2008 8:47 PM
Independent Voter said...: By the way jean, how does a 14 year old spend 1 1/2 hours with people in a retirement home without offending them? ;); July 01, 2008 8:48 PM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Roaming comment from the often absent Emit......

Note on the news coverage (and for now I am not angry about it). During the Primary race they did their best to slant the news to keep the race close. That way they had something to do and still get paid for entertaining the masses. Now they are doing the same thing. As soon as the polls show Obama pulling ahead (as much as 15% in some polls), they put on the spin and hype anything that might cost Obama a couple poll points. Got to keep it to single digits.

In my book that is okay. Keep giving the Republicans hope that McBush has a chance. Then they won't replace him at their convention.

;o); July 01, 2008 8:53 PM
jean said...: Independant,
MARKETING.
I turned 45, I put it in writing, yesterday.
They are recruiting and they are powerful.
Don't you feel needed:)

I do not know if a GROUP of 15 boys who are 14 can do that.
Together they are technically a mob.
Happyhour will start promptly tomorrow.

The newspaper will be there.

Actually Happyhour will probally start early because the coach is driving.

Levity is VERY important.
jean; July 01, 2008 8:57 PM
apissedant said...: There, my profile is updated. I shall drink a toast to my wasted youth. ;); July 01, 2008 9:10 PM
jean said...: apissedant,
You look lovely!

CNN POLITICAL TICKER
How bored are they?
It is all about the fist bump.
Amazing.
jean; July 01, 2008 9:14 PM
apissedant said...: Apparently, by saying the statement was unartful, Obama threw Clark under the bus... from Dan Abrams, the most trusted man in saying what he thinks people want to hear.; July 01, 2008 9:21 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: The Clark dustup will be over in a couple of days and no one will even remember it or talking about it in a month from now.

I think in the end Obama and Clark will win this round :); July 01, 2008 9:25 PM
Independent Voter said...: jean, DEFINITELY a slow news day. They have to sensationalize whatever they possibly can.; July 01, 2008 9:26 PM
apissedant said...: Very true. Everyone's comments on this have been on target. (I just turned 50 today, so I have enough wisdom to make that declaration.)

I just hate the fact that the news is pretty much just there to make money, and doesn't care about their responsibility to the public anymore. I want Russert back.; July 01, 2008 9:55 PM
apissedant said...: crap, I missed half of hell's kitchen.; July 01, 2008 9:56 PM
jean said...: apissedant,
The husband loves that show and I just cannot stand the constant neglect to the participants.
Opposites attract.
By the way, hehehehehehhehe,
He is 56.
BLAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
LEVITY;)
jean; July 01, 2008 10:04 PM
Independent Voter said...: happy b-day p'd ant!; July 01, 2008 10:10 PM
jean said...: apissedant,
I know BLAM goes to a different show.
I just do not know how to put
F***,f***,F***,f*** in an acceptable form.
jean; July 01, 2008 10:20 PM
Independent Voter said...: WTF?????????????

I absolutely REFUSE to call Republicans and the "right" wing 'right' EVER again!

They are attacking the movie 'Mall-E' - a family movie about robots "falling in love". They are claiming it is "leftist propaganda" pushing an environmental agenda.

HUH????????? From here on out I will be referring to these morons as the "wrong-wing" since they seem to be WRONG on EVERY issue and tend to be absolute IDIOTS every time they open their pie holes.; July 01, 2008 10:21 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: Here is the Conclusion of Roger Simon's piece on

"Obama Not Running a Movement"

7-1-08 Politico:

about Obama's evolving positions:

"This is not allowed, because it is proof of flip-flopping, pandering, moving to the (gasp) center and, worst of all, trying to get elected. And you have to be very careful of that last one."

BHO has flip-flopped already on

NAFTA
DC Gun Control
Public Financing
FISA.

He is following Dubya Bush on "Faith Based Initiatives".

He WILL do anything to get elected.

So, BHO is NOT Electable, period.

Stay tuned.; July 01, 2008 10:21 PM
jean said...: independant,
Won last night but look at the Padres now.
Time to have dinner:)
jean; July 01, 2008 10:23 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: happy b-day, pissed ant, I turn 52 in another 33 days.

so far, my 50's are pretty decent.; July 01, 2008 10:23 PM
jean said...: apissedant,
Shoot!
I now know how to put it.
WTF!
Told you I was new at posting.
jean; July 01, 2008 10:27 PM
Independent Voter said...: jean, I give up on the Pads. I hope the dbacks can hold off the giants the rest of the season.

I think the Pads held on to Trevor one season too long.; July 01, 2008 10:29 PM
apissedant said...: lol Jean. There are always a couple people on the show I end up liking, and a couple I end up hating. I really like the finalists this time, and everyone says that Ramsey is actually really nice when he is outside the kitchen. He's just a bit of a soup nazi inside the kitchen.

vicki,
I'm hoping to wait 23 1/2 years until my fifties actually start. Silly AARP.; July 01, 2008 10:32 PM
jean said...: Independant,
VERY SAD but looking correct.
He is a good man though:)

Apissedant,
NOT ONE OF YOUR MOVIES! Oh ye, in your collection?
Blasphemy.
Hope I spelled that right.
Levity.
jean; July 01, 2008 10:32 PM
apissedant said...: Haha Jean,
My movie collection is getting old. I can't afford movies anymore. Maybe after I finish being a lazy drain on society as stop would say, and complete college. Apparently his kids are exempt from being drains, even though they're taking twice as long to do the same thing. I did take 2,500 in government grants... I'm such a dick and a communist.; July 01, 2008 10:38 PM
suzihussein22 said...: issues-environment-
civil rights-

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080701/ap_on_re_us/longest_walk

e r d-agreed

i v-My other half and I thought Wall-E made a really good stab at Wal-Mart.

apant-Your tender years have nothing to do with your age. You feel younger than they touch and I'm sure you're more poise d.

CRASH BANG CUSS CUSS...there, clif notes on the half of hell's kitchen you missed. :) Actually, I've liked the few episodes I've seen. I'm also in the minority of who liked the first host of Weakest Link.

jean-levity-We all need a lift.:)

http://web.syr.edu/~hlblaski/images/levitation%20copy.jpg; July 01, 2008 10:44 PM
jean said...: apissedant,
You are a gem.
Don't change.
You are what society is hoping for.
MUSHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gonna have dinner with teenagers and a old guy.
jean; July 01, 2008 10:48 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: apissedant HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
and also Happy Birthday to everyone else that will have a birthday this year ;)

Just read an article that says Obama's sister from Hawaii will be on the campaign trail this summer and also on July 4th because that will be Malia's 10th birthday.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/01/obamas-sister-his-surroga_n_110171.html

Obama '08; July 01, 2008 10:55 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Now that was a few weird posts alright you AARPers LOL Hey old man Apissedant [yes I know your real age just being silly].

Now you know good and well the media likes a close race. That way they can play cat and mouse with the players.; July 01, 2008 11:14 PM
apissedant said...: soft,
Yeah, you're probably pretty accurate with what I missed.

jean,
Thank you! That is very sweet!

Hehe, our thread is getting sappy again. ;)

I hope everyone keeps posting after the election! The real celebration is when we start having rational and intelligent legislation passed. I expect to see all of your smiling avators at that time.

Well I'm gonna try that sleep thing again, have fun all! Talk to you tomorrow!; July 01, 2008 11:18 PM
JayW said...: There's my little special cat lady...; July 01, 2008 11:18 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Jean
'
if nothing else it will be interesting conversation with the teens if you can understand what they are saying. LOL. If not stick with the old guy and just nod your head to the teens [they really don't expect you to answer them] LOL LOL ..Just teasing you. Have a nice dinner!!!!! Jean; July 01, 2008 11:19 PM
apissedant said...: Night aunt jean! Stay positive and have a good night!; July 01, 2008 11:22 PM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 01, 2008 11:24 PM
Aunt Jean said...: apissedant I will, have sweet dreams. Jean; July 01, 2008 11:26 PM
JayW said...: Here is a little excerpt from an article regarding the biggest loser in politics, HRC:

“Even though her bid for the Presidency has ended, the public will soon learn how Senator Clinton, solicited, coordinated, and then covered up her donations to win her Senate seat, and then used the media to help in her cover-up.

Judge Munoz ruled back in April that Paul's legal team can begin seeking depositions from a host of big names – including Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton, along with an A-list of Hollywood celebrities that allegedly were witnesses to an effort by the Clintons and top Democratic leaders to extract millions of dollars from Paul in illegal donations and then cover it up.

Discovery will begin soon.

The Clintons have tried to dismiss the case, but the California Supreme Court, in 2004, upheld a lower-court decision to deny the motion.

In the complaint, Bill Clinton promised to promote Paul's Internet entertainment company, Stan Lee Media, in exchange for stock, cash options and massive contributions to his wife's 2000 Senate campaign. Paul contends he was directed by the Clintons and Democratic Party leaders to produce, pay for and then join them in lying about footing the bill for an August 2000 Hollywood gala and fundraiser.

The Clintons' legal counsel has denied the former president made any deal with Paul. But Paul's attorney Colette Wilson has stated there are witnesses who say it was common knowledge at Stan Lee Media that Bill Clinton was preparing to be a rainmaker for the company after he left office.

The complaint also asserts that Senator Clinton filed four false reports to the FEC of Paul's donations in an attempt to distance herself from him after a Washington Post story days after the August 2000 fundraiser reported his past felony convictions. Clinton then returned a check for $2,000, insisting it was the only money she had taken from Paul. But one month later, she demanded another $100,000, to be hidden in a state committee using untraceable securities.

Senator Clinton was dismissed as a defendant back in October, yet she must still testify as a material witness against her husband. Munoz already has made it clear he won't accept any attempts to block Senator Clinton from serving as a material witness."; July 01, 2008 11:30 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Independent Voter said...
I hope the dbacks can hold off the giants the rest of the season.

OK Dave,

I've not attacked you yet on this site, but that does it!

Even though I grew up in Indiana, and have lived most of my life on the East Coast, the GIANTS are my team, and have been for more years than you've been alive!

You and all the other fans of NL Western Division teams (other than the GIANTS), along with the Braves and Yankees fans, can go you know where!

VBG

Mike; July 01, 2008 11:30 PM
suzihussein22 said...: issue-environment-finite much?-

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2008/06/30/we-are-running-out-of-environment.html

I believe the 1968 book has been mentioned here.; July 01, 2008 11:31 PM
Independent Voter said...: Gnight p'd ant!

LOL! ss - good description of what took place. GRRRRRR...You spoiled it for me. It doesn't start here for another 1/2 hour. LOL!; July 01, 2008 11:33 PM
suzihussein22 said...: i v-I apologize. I forget about the time zones. Maybe you should start ignoring my posts too. ;); July 01, 2008 11:40 PM
Independent Voter said...: ROFL MinM.

I'm not saying that I really care for NL West, but since I am from AZ and live in SD, I find my loyalties to one of the two teams. I'm really not much of a sports fan. But I do like to go to the games....I am really jealous of the trainers jobs, you know before the game when they are stretching the player out. LOL VVVVBG.

I'm more into "individual" sports. (Like gymnastics - WOOF) ;); July 01, 2008 11:41 PM
Independent Voter said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 01, 2008 11:41 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL ss - you are now on ignore. LOL :); July 01, 2008 11:41 PM
suzihussein22 said...: I have officially become a nuisance to a few of you. I understand. How dare I give away the details of a show! Shame on me! I wasn't even watching it. I've been watching V, not the alien miniseries, but the anarchy version. Earlier I was talking with my son about government. His grandfather watches faux news. He has seen it and had a lot of questions about what is stated in those segments. Oh, the joys of propaganda!; July 02, 2008 12:23 AM
Independent Voter said...: LMAO ss - Yes, shame on you! Just kidding ;); July 02, 2008 12:24 AM
suzihussein22 said...: i v-I have been chastised.

Now I'm thinking about changing my blog name to suzihussein22-

http://political-buzz.com/2008/07/01/obamas-grass-roots-problem/

We are all hussein. It's not a bad word.; July 02, 2008 12:48 AM
suzihussein22 said...: That's what I call age bias-

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/11578467/

apeevishant-Maybe McCain is the charter member of aarp.; July 02, 2008 12:51 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: How dispirited are the Repigs getting with the McSame campaign, and his attempts to distance himself from the rest of the Repig party?

Here's a sample from the FederalReview.com web site:

"Kick the base, then kick them some more
By: Anthony
11:28 PM

An inside source in the John McCain New Jersey Presidential campaign headquarters, which just opened this past weekend, confirmed they were instructed by senior campaign staffers that all Republican and GOP pictures, logos, and symbols were banned from the headquarters.

The staff was also instructed that they are not allowed to have any joint events with any republican organizations. The banning of his own party from his regional office comes as yet another blow to what appears as an unmotivated and not included base.

“We don’t want to isolate anyone,” said a McCain staff member, who asked to remain anonymous. Unfortunately, the already shaky McCain base is feeling even more isolated because their presumptive presidential nominee doesn’t want anything to do with their party."

I had almost resigned myself to voting for this egotistical jackass. After seeing this, however, I just don't think I can pull the lever for McCain in November.

With any luck, real Republicans, if any still remain, will stage a Coup d'Etat at the national convention - and hand the nomination over to Mitt Romney. If not, say hello to President Obama."

My reaction? Bwahahahahahahahaha!

Mike; July 02, 2008 1:12 AM
suzihussein22 said...: m in md-Do you think Romney would have a better shot than McCain in the GE? If so, why?; July 02, 2008 1:21 AM
suzihussein22 said...: nighty night...don't let the big bad bed bugs bite...zzz...ouch; July 02, 2008 1:23 AM
Aunt Jean said...: goodnight softspoken22 sleep well. Jean; July 02, 2008 1:25 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: ss - goodnight.; July 02, 2008 1:25 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: softspoken22 said...
m in md-Do you think Romney would have a better shot than McCain in the GE?

In a word - NO

For details, see my post of 2:33 am on June 30, where I responded to Leah's post about the Repigs dumping McSame at their convention and selecting someone else.

Mike; July 02, 2008 1:27 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: New Poll...

Massachusetts:

McCain vs. Obama

Rasmussen

Obama 53, McCain 33

Obama +20.0; July 02, 2008 1:28 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I know part of why the AOL poll is so out of whack.

This evening I visited a bunch of anti-Obama websites, including PUMA, and they are furiously promoting the AOL poll - telling everyone to go and vote for McCain to keep the poll map 'red'.

There is NO campaign on the pro-democratic websites to go and vote in the AOL poll... so that is one reason the AOL is VERY wrong.; July 02, 2008 1:32 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah I will take 300. Thanks Jean; July 02, 2008 1:36 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Open Thread Electoral Vote Contest

The closer the election is the easier to guess the winning number will be.
So we will have a cut off date for number submissions of July 13th 11:59pm Texas time.
Duplicate number guesses will be allowed since there are only so many combinations available.
A total of 270 EVs are needed for a clear cut win - 269 would go to the House for a vote.
The list reflects the number of EVs for Obama (vs. McCain).

Submissions so far:
stop0 - < 251 (McCain 350+)
JayW - 269
Beryl - 280
Hippolytus - 289
Dilbuck - 290
softspoken22 - 298
Emma - 300 (1)
Aunt Jean - 300 (2)
Richard - 304
jean - 311
Mike in Maryland - 312
tmess2 - 315
RobH - 317 (1)
apissedant - 317 (2)
Oregon Dem - 332
Leah - 345
Woodland Sprite - 360
Emit R Detsaw - 429
Independent voter - 538

Anyone that submits an early guess will be allowed to add (but not change) a second guess October 1st - 3rd. The early guess will be our main contest. The second guess will be considered a separate contest.; July 02, 2008 1:40 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah you are fast.Goodnight and thanks again. jean; July 02, 2008 1:44 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: AJ - goodnight.; July 02, 2008 1:45 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: It is time for McCain to start to practice saying "Yes sir, President Obama."

Had to post something to get the page to turn ;); July 02, 2008 1:50 AM
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Mike in Maryland said...: The Supreme Court's decision on the 2nd Amendment gets it's first real test, and the dichotomy of the theory that all Americans can own and carry a handgun vs. public safety, gets a test in real life:

Atlanta airport gun ban is challenged

A state legislator claims that a new law letting Georgians carry firearms in public places applies to Hartsfield-Jackson International. A group files a federal suit against the facility and city.

The rest of the story can be found at:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-guns2-2008jul02,0,6818195.story

Although the suit is filed in a state court, it WILL end up in federal court. Let's see where the Department of Homeland Security, and it's task of keeping 'Muricans safe at airports, etc., and the Justice Department come down on this one.

Mike; July 02, 2008 2:26 AM
apissedant said...: Mike in Md,
They're overreaching. If I remember correctly, Scalia himself talked about the need to ban guns from certain public places. All these Republicans did was again do everything their party rallies against: Gives more power to the Federal government. It is so funny to continually see this from a state's rights party. They don't even see the irony.; July 02, 2008 9:12 AM
jean said...: Apissedant,
Another slow news day and the Fist Bumping thing is still on top of the Political Ticker.

Interesting article on the last mass lynching on the CNN front page.
We are spending 3.5 million a year on these cases when most of the people who did it are dead or senile.
I understand the justice but if they put those funds in a trust and paid for the relatives of the victoms college I think it would be much better spent.
Wouldn't that just get the goat of the KKK members:)
Ok CNN just changed the political ticker.
Now it is about Michelle and americans are COOL with her.
Slow news day.
jean; July 02, 2008 10:24 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: The best persons to campaign for Obama:

Michelle and Wesley Clark!!

Both are very popular among voters!!

Whatever Michelle says Americans love sooooooooo much.

Maya Soetoro-Ng has no chance of competing with Michelle.

Folks:

As per the polls, Obama will win MA, NY, IL, CA for sure. All other States are very questionable:

Since Mar 7, McCain and BHO are very much tied in the National Polls (gallup.com) - some weeks McCain leads by 5%, other days BHO leads by 5%. This is in spite of ferocious attack by the liberal MSM on McCain, and a lukewarm support of the FAR RIGHT. This will change dramatically when the Right gets their acts together.

Who is really supporting BHO:

Most of Blacks and Gay/Lesbians, that's it.

AOL Straw Poll does NOT capture these two groups well, although n = 400K-500K per week.

Most of White America supports McCain, for sure. This IS a big issue. On National Security, Foreign Policy and being the Commander-In-Chief, McCain scores very high marks. In the Fall, these issues will be at the front burner!

Company Sponsored Private polls have very small n= 1500-2000. This is too small a sample to understand the mood of America!

Stay tuned. See you in the evening.; July 02, 2008 10:29 AM
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jean said...: indy,
OK yours is bigger than mine LOL!
jean; July 02, 2008 10:38 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: heh.; July 02, 2008 10:46 AM
Beryl said...: Jean posted:

"Interesting article on the last mass lynching on the CNN front page.
We are spending 3.5 million a year on these cases when most of the people who did it are dead or senile.
I understand the justice but if they put those funds in a trust and paid for the relatives of the victoms college I think it would be much better spent.
Wouldn't that just get the goat of the KKK members:)"

That would be interesting.

I'm glad they bring this stuff up. There are a lot of people who don't believe that these things actually went on and were condoned by the police on a regular basis over a long period of time. 60 years is a long time ago but it is not like it stopped completely way back then. Hate-crimes just occurred less frequently and were less accepted.

This is our Holocaust which we need to remember and vow "never again".

This country has come a long way -- thank God. We have a long way to go when we think about what happened in Jasper,TX and Laramie,WY. There were actually crazy people protesting and saying that Matthew deserved being killed and the murder should not be considered a "hate-crime".

It is good to expose and as a result, DEFINE evil deeds. It is money well spent, IMO.; July 02, 2008 12:50 PM
jean said...: beryl,
Of course it is money well spent.
History is our lesson for growth.
I am just thinking of the personal
satisfaction of the victim's families.
Just imagine posting the college graduates yearly and thanking the KKK for their support.
jean; July 02, 2008 12:59 PM
jean said...: Schmidt just took over in reference to McCain,s campaign today.
He did really well with Arnold.
I think the bar just got put up a knotch.
The rest was great but I think it is over.
Huh, something to think about.
I think our big guns are going to be pulled out soon:)
jean; July 02, 2008 1:42 PM
Beryl said...: (I love it.)

July 2, 2008

(CNN) — Former Vice President Dan Quayle didn’t think John McCain would make it this far in his quest for the White House – and he’s pessimistic about his fall chances against Barack Obama.

"Polls show most people want change and change wins a lot of the time," Quayle said on a conference call with reporters Tuesday to promote his participation in a golf tournament later this month. "I hope McCain wins, but to be very fair, he has an uphill battle."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/02/quayle-i-respect-obama-because-he-beat-the-clintons/; July 02, 2008 1:53 PM
jean said...: The NRA just announced their 15 million dollar campaign against Obama.
They hate McCain too so whatever.
Heck, McCain pretty much said they were useless.
I do believe the games have begun.
jean; July 02, 2008 2:02 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: http://www.demconwatchblog.com/search/label/General%20Election

Solid Obama: CA, DC, HI, IL, MD, NY, RI, VT - 131 EVs.

Solid McCain: AL, ID, KY, OK, TN, UT, WY - 47 EVs

Obama estimated totals range from 275 to 334

It's still early ;)

p.s. Don't pay attention to stop0's bogus data that he pull from the air.; July 02, 2008 2:47 PM
jean said...: leah,
I know it is early.
Basically the Repubs have not done anything of consequence simply because the one's doing it were incompetant.
I do not think we are going to be bored much longer.
I do not think we are going to lose but there is now going to be some competition.
jean; July 02, 2008 2:54 PM
Karen Anne said...: http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0708/Elizabeth_Edwards_headlines_40M_health_care_campaign.html

Elizabeth headlines health care campaign. There isn't enough info to see how this meshes with Obama's effort which she is advising on.

A little puzzling.; July 02, 2008 3:09 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: DCW will be posting an updated Presidential Forecast/General Election Tracker tonight.

MA will be off the chart as solid for Obama.

Looking forward to the update :)

Obama/Sebelius '08
Obama/Clark '08; July 02, 2008 3:15 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: It is awfully suspicious that McCain goes to Colombia and today the Colombian government rescues the American hostages.

Don't trust the Republicans!; July 02, 2008 4:20 PM
Beryl said...: Does anyone honestly think Clark has a shot at being named the VP? I don't.

Again, I agree with what he said and that he (unlike many others) has a right to say it. I just don't agree with his timing or the way he said it.; July 02, 2008 5:33 PM
jean said...: beryl,
Obama did not say he was wrong.
He said inartful.
I am sure he is still on the list.
Everyone has mispoke or spoke in an untimely fashion.
jean; July 02, 2008 5:36 PM
jean said...: Leah,
You were right.
McCain did have advance knowledge.
It is on CNN Political Ticker.
I think there was more advance knowledge than we know.
jean; July 02, 2008 5:53 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Ha! See I thought so!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/02/mccain-had-advance-knowledge-of-colombian-raid/

McCain probably knew about BEFORE his Colombia trip was planned. The U.S. and Colombia probably cooked up the rescue weeks ago to give McCain some good press while in Colombia.

Don't trust the Republican government!; July 02, 2008 6:02 PM
jean said...: Leah,
We just wish Obama had done it.
jean; July 02, 2008 6:04 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: LOL - I posted at 4:20pm and CNN posted at 4:30pm

jean - it just seemed very strange to me that McCain went to Colombia and even the talking heads have been saying the past couple of days that they didn't understand why he was going down there... well now we know a bit more ;); July 02, 2008 6:06 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: jean-

If Obama had gone down there probably nothing would have happened.

I believe some one in the Bush camp had something to do with this...

Now let's see if the rest of the MSM links the hostage rescue with the McCain trip. If they do then we'll know that this was all planned out in advance.; July 02, 2008 6:09 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: Hello There:

Gallup showed the approval ratings are nearly tied again 46% to BHO and 44% to McCain (2% +/- margin).

This has been the trend among the Small Company Surveys (n=1K-2K). But if you go to large surveys of n < 400 K, the result is 38% to BHO and 62% for McCain (AOL Straw Poll where plenty of White America participates).

My poll of polls still favors McCain by 52% to BHO's 47% to others 1%.

So, McCain = NOT McBush.

But, today's Wall Street J Editorial calls BHO as Bush's Third Term (p A12, 7-2-08)!!!!!

Why?

Because he is following Bush on FISA and on "Faith Based Initiatives"!

He is expected to follow Bush on Iraq Policy and on Gay/Lesbians in the Military!

"Economist" from London said that BHO has the Audacity of Humbug.

Why?

Because he flip-flopped on Public Financing of GE. He is also moving towards the Center - everything he opposed in the Primary!!

GOP is forming a Separate Campaign Fund to tackle BHO's mischief on Public Financing!

As I said earlier, BHO will do anything to get elected.

He is just another Chicago Politician:

He got a sweet deal for $1.32 million loan at a 30 y fixed rate of only 5.625% to buy his Hyde Park Mansion, from Northern Trust where he has invested 3 million dollars so far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doesn't this smell like Dodd and Conrad with Countrywide's VIP List? Yah..........Yes...Yes..

Audacity of Humbug, I like it.

Stay tuned.; July 02, 2008 6:09 PM
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jean said...: Leah,
You are probally right.
Nice catch on last post.
jean; July 02, 2008 6:16 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Favorable ratings...

Obama

RCP Average 06/12 - 7/01 --

Fav 60.6 Unfav 32.8

McCain

RCP Average 06/12 - 7/01

Fav 55.6 Unfav 37.0

OBAMA '08; July 02, 2008 6:27 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "Don't trust the Republican government!"

Then, why BHO wants to be Bush's Third Term (WSJ)? lol.

I think the Colombian News of Freed Hostages and McCain will be the talk of the town for the July 4th Weekend!

Where is BHO on this, anyway?; July 02, 2008 6:31 PM
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jean said...: Indy,
Nice catch again.
The update on the baseball team on the older people's home will follow shortly.
They are there now and no national incident has occurred that I know of.
Ignorance right now is bliss;)
jean; July 02, 2008 6:43 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: From CNN...

According to Pentagon officials, Colombians had told the United States about the operation in the past few days. The U.S. approved the plans but had no part in them.
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Now we KNOW for sure that McCain planned his trip to coincide with this breaking news!!!

VOTE DEMOCRATIC and get rid of the Republican bums!

Obama '08; July 02, 2008 6:44 PM

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