Democratic Convention Watch: Open Thread

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

Open Thread

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What is McCain's latest "senior moment", what does Obama need to do to win in November or whatever else is on your mind.

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Leah Texas4Obama said...: Dear John McCain,

Americans are NOT stupid!
We won't fall for your dirty tricks and pandering!; July 02, 2008 6:47 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: BHO's Audacity of Humbug!!!

I love it. Thanks "Economist"!!!

BHO is going to follow Bush on the matters of Gay/Lesbians in the Military!!!!! lol

Stay tuned.; July 02, 2008 6:48 PM
Independent Voter said...: OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA '08; July 02, 2008 6:49 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "We won't fall for your dirty tricks and pandering!"

Freeing hostages is a good thing.

It is NOT pandering, hello!!!!!

It is NOT dirty, hello!!!!!!!!

Stay tuned.; July 02, 2008 6:51 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: On National Security, Foreign Policy and being the Commander-in-Chief, McCain leads BHO by a mile!!!

Americans love a strong Free Trader, Not a Protectionist like BHO.

On Free Trade McCain leads BHO by another mile!!!!

Stop BHO Now. He is Carter II.

BHO is a Big Gov Big Spender!

Stay tuned.; July 02, 2008 6:58 PM
Independent Voter said...: OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA '08; July 02, 2008 6:58 PM
jean said...: Indy,
Things went well and the son won 5 bucks.
He was dared to talk to a guy that looked like the godfather and did.
The son said he was nice and the other kids were stupid.
He was glad to take their money.
Honestly, he just wanted the 5 bucks.
Gotta love him.
jean; July 02, 2008 7:01 PM
jean said...: Indy,
OH MY GOD.
I am still processing this.
The first game is this weekend.
The coach said he is taking them to HOOTER'S if they win.
jean; July 02, 2008 7:03 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Jean,

A 15 year old boy at Hooters? Hmmmm, I hope they don't have to stand up. VBG; July 02, 2008 7:05 PM
jean said...: Indy,
14 years old.
I am still processing this.
jean the mom;0; July 02, 2008 7:09 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Jean,

Good luck! Like I said, I hope they all don't have to stand up, at least not too quickly! LOL; July 02, 2008 7:13 PM
jean said...: Indy,
CRAP!
Go to an old persons home and then go to Hooters.
Apissedant,
You just wait. You're day will come to make these decisions;)
jean; July 02, 2008 7:25 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Rasmussen Reports

6/29-7/1/08; 3,000 LV

National
Match-up with Leaners
Obama 49, McCain 44
Hmmmm, looks like a 5 point lead doesn't it?

National
Match-up without Leaners
Obama 46, McCain 40

Hmmmm, looks like a 6 point lead doesn't it?

Either poll is more than two points.

Also, looking at the Gallup poll averages since June 6 (http://www.gallup.com/poll/108421/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Leads-McCain-47-42.aspx), Senator Obama has NEVER trailed. Three ties, but Senator Obama has not had lower poll numbers than McSame during that period.

Mike; July 02, 2008 7:26 PM
Independent Voter said...: Jean, just remember to let him know it's ok to look, just NOT to stare. :); July 02, 2008 7:29 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Remember the Power Point presentation the McSame campaign team gave on how they could win the EC, where they were stating that Connecticut was in play because Rassmussen said it was a three point spread?

Quinnipiac University

Connecticut
n=2,437 likely voters, interviewed June 26-29

Obama 56%, McCain 35%

Hmmmmm, looks like a 21 point difference doesn't it?

Mike; July 02, 2008 7:31 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: Jason Furman of Obama's Economic Team appeared on CNBC's Kudlow.

He wants to raise tax when there is recession in the economy.

This increased tax will be a drag on the ailing economy, and it will bring LESS revenue to the Coffer.

Why can't Obamamaniacs understand this Econ 101?

Stay tuned.; July 02, 2008 7:33 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: Bill Gross of PIMCO ridicules Obama!

He says the federal deficit will go from the current 500 billion a year to 1 trillion a year in 2010 if BHO comes to power!

We already have 9-10 trillion dollar Federal DEBT.

BHO will increase it by 1 trillion per year ever year!!!

What a policy to celebrate!!!

Wake up America! Stop BHO Now.

Stay tuned.; July 02, 2008 7:40 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: In three polls in Arkansas (a state some were saying will not be in play at all if Senator Obama were the Democratic nominee), taken over the last three months, Rasmussen has found that McSame's poll numbers are falling (11 points since mid-March), and Senator Obama's numbers are rising (up nine points since mid-March). Each of the polls was among 500 Likely Voters:

Dates McCain Obama
3/18/08 59 30
5/12/08 57 33
6/12/08 48 39

Looks like the race is tightening in this state that Senator Obama was supposed to get blown out in.

Mike; July 02, 2008 7:41 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: From Gallup:

"Hispanic registered voters' support for Barack Obama for president remained consistent and strong in June, with Obama leading John McCain by 59% to 29% among this group."
http://www.gallup.com/poll/108532/Hispanic-Voters-Solidly-Behind-Obama.aspx

Mike; July 02, 2008 7:42 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: The Pollster.com poll of polls shows that Senator Obama is leading McSame by 4.5 poll points:

McSame 43.6%
Senator Obama 48.1%

I wonder if that poll of polls would show a spread of more than 5.5 points if the Gallup polls factored in were not included?

Mike; July 02, 2008 8:10 PM
apissedant said...: Ugh, I wish someone would post less garbage here, or at least stop being a 14 year old posing as a 50 year old. Anyone over the age of 14 would know that a 5.625% interest rate is not some sort of sweet deal. They would also know that there isn't just one credit rate for all customers, and that credit scores, income, property, luck, and many other factors contribute to the interest rate received. No one in my family pays above 5.25%, I wonder who we're being bribed by, and for what.; July 02, 2008 8:12 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant.........HUH?; July 02, 2008 8:24 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Here we go.... it is starting already!

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/02/mccain-backer-timing-of-hostage-release-was-fortuitous/

.; July 02, 2008 8:33 PM
Independent Voter said...: leah, wait a couple months and he will be taking credit for negotiating with Pres. Uribe on the operation. Kind of like Reagan and the Iran hostage situation.; July 02, 2008 8:41 PM
jean said...: apissedant,
Are you OK?
jean; July 02, 2008 8:41 PM
jean said...: indy,
Like that is possible with a 14 year old.
jean; July 02, 2008 8:43 PM
apissedant said...: I'm fine, but the right wing propaganda is retarded. It being countered with constant updates on polls is a lot of typing and reading, with little substance.

I like it when people discuss issues, latest news (not polls), or even their personal life. This whole day has pretty much just been polls and propaganda, and I find it a little sad.; July 02, 2008 9:01 PM
apissedant said...: There's a bunch of smart, informed, and well read people, and I like to hear what they have to say.; July 02, 2008 9:10 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Jean.

Ok FISA issue.

I am SOOOOOOOOOOOO sick of people whining about the FISA bill. People have no clue what the hell they are complaining about.

They are all up in arms about granting "immunity" for the telecoms. That is the only problem they have with it right?

What THEY fail to understand is the "immunity" provision in the FISA bill is simply immunity from CIVIL lawsuits, NOT criminal prosecution.

When it comes to civil lawsuit I am TOTALLY in favor of granting them immunity, but not from criminal prosecution. I understand that people would LOVE to get compensated for their inconvenience of being wire tapped illegally but for Hey Zeus (Jesus) sake. Give it a rest. (I'm not talking about anyone here on this blog). I'm talking about the moveon.org'ers and kos folks.

If the immunity provision was not included the potential of the telecoms losing hundreds of billions of dollars would CRUSH our economy! Who do these people think would end up paying for that lost revenue in the long run? I hope these people are prepared to pay $100 per month for home telephone service, or $100 per month for internet service, or at minimum $200 a month for cell phone service.

If they are not, they need to give it a rest and shut the hell up.

Who's with me?; July 02, 2008 9:28 PM
suzihussein22 said...: m in md-In regards to your vp post the other day, I was just skimming that time. My excuse is that I was starting to develop a migraine.; July 02, 2008 9:31 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: John Dean's Findlaw column on FISA:

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20080702.html

One sub headline in the article states:
The FISA Amendments Do Not Provide Immunity for Criminal Violations

Mike; July 02, 2008 9:35 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Here's a quote from a conservative-

Burress said that while Huckabee is a favorite of Christian conservatives, the most important thing is that McCain's running mate be "pro-life and pro-family."

This may be the main thing Obama has to consider when choosing his VP. They were talking about strongly suggesting Huckabee be asked to run with McCain.; July 02, 2008 9:41 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: softspoken22 said...
m in md-In regards to your vp post the other day,

?? Not sure I know what messages you're discussing here, but I didn't take any offense at any message you made in response to any message I made.

Mike; July 02, 2008 9:46 PM
suzihussein22 said...: m in md-It was that I asked you about Romney, but you had already made a post about him. Thanks.; July 02, 2008 9:59 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: SS,

No problem.

I figured you missed that post, or had forgotten about it. I wasn't about to copy/paste the entire post, plus type an intro summarizing what Leah had written and what I was responding to - that's why I referred you back to it.

Mike; July 02, 2008 10:04 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: Obamaniacs, my update of EV:

BHO could get ALL of NE States upto NJ, MD, DC.

PA is doubtful; maybe, if Hillary Democrats help him.

In the Midwest, he will get MI, IL, MN and WI.

In the West, he will get WA, OR, CA and HI.

None of the mountain States will go for him.

(Of this you will notice, most went for Hillary in the Primary!).

This will give him only 251 EVs, not more!

Even this is possible only if BHO moves to the Center, and he gets the REAL help from Bill and Hillary.

Go to www.270towin.com and get the details for 2004 Kerry's EVs.

That's the potential maximum BHO will get in 2008. 251 EVs.
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On FISA, if telecoms have committed a crime, then BOTH civil and criminal penalties must apply.

If you give immunity to Civil, then extend it to Criminal too.

Where is the need for distinction?

Stay tuned.; July 02, 2008 10:20 PM
suzihussein22 said...: issues-taxes and health-

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/07/mccain-health-c.html

I don't care for McCain's brand of hope.; July 02, 2008 10:20 PM
Independent Voter said...: Mike, thanks for the link. Great article. At least someone is out there getting the truth out that FISA does not grant criminal immunity.; July 02, 2008 10:20 PM
Independent Voter said...: ss - now THAT is scary!; July 02, 2008 10:28 PM
suzihussein22 said...: i v-You mean you think he's found his bearings? he he he

Isn't it just typical that msm has reported Obama MIGHT have gotten a lower interest rate on his mortgage, but won't report the FACT that McCain hasn't paid property taxes in CA for 4 YEARS?!; July 02, 2008 10:36 PM
Independent Voter said...: ss - actually I was referring to McCain's "healthcare" proposal. But Whose interest rate? I must not have seen that post.; July 02, 2008 10:43 PM
Beryl said...: Michelle shops at Target and wears a $148 dress on "The View" while Cindy charges 1/2 million on her Amex card. Day-um!

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/02/1179643.aspx

Not hating but still....how dare they call the Obamas "elitists".; July 02, 2008 10:54 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: I think Colorado and New Mexico are both considered Rocky Mountain states.

Pollster.com has this to say:

Colorado
Poll of polls:
Obama - 46.4%
McSame - 42.8%

One, repeat ONE poll (TargetPoint/New Leadership USA, a Repig polling firm), taken 3/31-4/7/08 of 604 Likely Voters, has shown McSame with a lead in the state. Polls taken since the middle of May show Senator Obama with leads of 8, 6, 2 and 5 points.

New Mexico
Poll of polls:
Obama - 47.3%
McSame - 42.5%

One, repeat ONE, poll (SurveyUSA) taken 4/11-13/08 of 490 Registered Voters has shown McSame with a lead in the state. Polls taken since the middle of April show Senator Obama with leads of 9, 3, even and 8 point leads.

Mike; July 02, 2008 11:02 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: Former VP Dan Q is available to be in the ticket with BHO!

BHO/Dan Q will be a good match. He is talking of BHO a lot.

Recruit Dan Q as VP, for real change!!

Obama/Q 08.; July 02, 2008 11:06 PM
Independent Voter said...: OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA '08; July 02, 2008 11:18 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: apissedant -

I am sorry but I disagree.

As long as stop0 is posting wrong poll information it is important that every now and again we post the right stuff.

I have been enjoying the polling information that Mike in Maryland has been sharing with us.

I am sorry that you don't care for the polls but I like them immensely and on the other hand I don't care for the a lot of the personal stuff that has been on this thread - so to each his own - as long as it isn't 'republican propaganda' ;)

Obama '08; July 02, 2008 11:42 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: DCW has the new Presidential Forecast/General Election Tracker update on the front page :)

I've been waiting impatiently!; July 02, 2008 11:43 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Hehehehe

On the same day that McSame is out of the country, with questions raised about the timing of his trip and certain events that happened at the same time he's in Columbia, US News & World Report has an article that opens with:

Republican strategists are worried that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama will make a very positive impression and burnish his international credentials when he takes his much-ballyhooed foreign trips in the coming weeks.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/07/02/gop-fears-that-obama-will-get-a-boost-from-foreign-travel.html

Seems McSame is traveling to burnish his image and the Repigs applaud him. Turn the tables, though, and they cry "Foul"?

Hehehehe

Mike; July 03, 2008 2:24 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: The world LOVES Obama.

I heard he is going to have a rally in Europe so people can come and see him.

I think Obama will get a HUGE welcome in Europe and it will be like when the Beatles came to the USA :)

I remember not long ago when McCain went to Europe the US media was talking about if McCain was going to reimburse the government for part of his airfare etc... I think it will be a much different trip for Obama. The foreign press will go wild when he gets there! I just hope he has a safe journey over and back.; July 03, 2008 2:53 AM
Karen Anne said...: ss,

I know "pro-life" means anti-abortion. but what is "pro-family"? Is that code for anti-gay?; July 03, 2008 7:15 AM
apissedant said...: Leah,
I can definitely agree with to each his own, and as long as it isn't Republican propaganda. I don't mind discussing anything as long as it is true, substantive, and positive.

Dave, further up on this page, our favorite idiot repeated a report circulating that Obama got a favorable interest rate. Of course our favorite idiot deleted the word MIGHT, because the reports only knew what interest rate he got, not how he ended up getting that interest rate. The average interest rate for homes like the one bought by Obama were getting interest rates of 5.9%, and Obama got 5.625%. Of course the law of averages requires some scores below 5.9, and some scores about 5.9 in order to come out to the average of 5.9. They have no idea what his credit score was, or the credit scores of the other people buying homes. They have not talked to Obama or the bank. They simply said that he got a special deal on his interest rate because it is below average.

I would hate to be a public official in this current environment. You get blamed for the mistakes of your parents, every move is scrutinized, your kids and wife get made fun of, you have to take a pay cut, and in order to not appear improper, you have to pay a higher price for everything than it is actually worth. I'm not seeing the upside.; July 03, 2008 8:25 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: Hello There:

Obama has privately promised Teamsters Union that he would like to remove the strict oversight of the Union by the Federal Govt!!

This is a quid pro quo for their votes and support in the GE.

About 74% of Americans disapprove of this private promise (AOL Hot Seat, n=45K).

BHO is becoming as corrupt as anybody in Washington politics. He says he wants to change Washington. Alas, Washington has already changed him!!!!!!!

He gets sweet deals on loans like Dodd and Conrad, but not through Countrywide, but via Northern Trust, where he has invested as much as 3 million dollars!

Do you smell of corruption and favoritism? Mmmmmmmmmmm. Voters do.

Stay tuned. See you in the evening.; July 03, 2008 10:03 AM
apissedant said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 03, 2008 10:06 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "I heard he is going to have a rally in Europe so people can come and see him."

Of course, people will go to see him. During the Primaries in TX, PA, OH, KY etc he drew tons and tons of huge Crowds....but they did NOT vote for him. They just wanted to see him!!!!!! They wanted to see "The Skinny Guy with the Funny Name"!!!! That's all. Nothing more!

After the trip, I wish BHO would say,

"Europeans want me to become the POTUS" like Kerry said "Foreigners don't like the present White House" in 2004.

Bhhooom.... he lost a few million votes instantly because Americans DON'T want FOREIGNERS to tell THEM who should be the President of US.

Let us see, What would BHO say after the trip?

Stay tuned.

Stop BHO Now, he is Carter II.; July 03, 2008 10:18 AM
jean said...: apissedant,
I agree. Boy you had me confused on that interest rate thing.
I am a banker.
During that time that rate was not unusual.
If you follow the 10yr bond you can follow the interest rates.
And believe it or not there are specials where buyers are looking for certain types of paper to securitize and you can get .25 or whatever if you close by the end of the month.
I refer it to the blue light specials:)
He could of also paid a point to buy down the rate but they will not say that.
If I were you do not feel sorry for these public officials.
They like the power and the politics. That is what they get off on. The kids is a different story.
If they didn't get off on the power why else would they do it.
Clinton didn't make squat, comparativly speaking until he left office.
Good for him. He busted his butt 365 days a year and if you look at his hourly wage he didn't make squat. He did love his power though.
Obama does also. That is one of the main reasons why he is doing it, good for him. If we did not have these type of individuals in our society we would be screwed.
Greenspan couldn't invest for how long because it was considered a conflict of interest.
Many people made their cash before there service because of the conflicts of interest during their term. If they don't, they do it after and good for them. They have patience and long term goals.
This is their gig. I wouldn't want it but they thrive on it.
Of course another reason is they want to do good things, but the main reason is power.
The smear stuff, that is politics and will never go away.
Their grown-ups and they are fine.
They deal with it everyday.
It comes with the territory.
Lighten up. They chose these fields and are working very hard to stay in them because they like it.

jean; July 03, 2008 10:18 AM
apissedant said...: STOP,
YOU'RE AN IDIOT. Pollute another thread. AOL polls are not properly done, and this has been explained to you before. He did not promise to eliminate all government oversight. He did not get a corrupt interest rate, as his interest rate was slightly better than average. If his credit core is slightly better than average, well there you go.

As for corruption.... ENRON. Your good buddy Bush hired how many Enron executives to work in the federal government? Your good buddy gave no bid contracts to what company that the VP still owns stock in, and used to be the CEO of? That company has already been proven to have falsely billed for how many billions of dollars in services not rendered? Your buddy let who write the energy policy? Your buddy fired how many federal prosecutors for not pursuing a political agenda? Your buddy severely hindered the ability of the IRS to do audits on which income bracket, while increasing the number of audits on the poor? Your buddy said global warming didn't exist. Your buddy ignored Richard Clark, and decided more terrorist protection was not needed. Your buddy increased the deficit from 6 to 10 trillion dollars, an unprecedented increase that no other President has managed.

This is a DEMOCRATIC FORUM. We know where the corruption and stupidity lies, and it isn't in our party, it is in yours. Please, go clean house back in your own home. Your buddy McCain lost 5 fighter jets in 10 years. He graduated in the BOTTOM percentile of his class, and was never offered admiral by his own account. He is a political hack, a two faced liar, and an idiot. Go educate him. He was born to a long line of very successful men, and was still completely unable to succeed, just like Bush. He cheated on his injured wife, got a divorce, then married his mistress. He is morally bankrupt and so are you.; July 03, 2008 10:27 AM
apissedant said...: jean,
I personally don't think Barack Obama is that power hungry, or John Edwards, or several others. I really think these guys want to do what is right. Most enjoy the power, no doubt, but that isn't enough for many. Look how much the Clinton's aged in office. Look how young they looked in 92, and how old they looked in 2001. They are more focused on the power, I'll grant you, but look at what it cost them.

What about Bill Bradley and Colin Powell? These are WONDERFUL men that want to do, and could do so much for our society. It isn't about power, it is about making our country better, but to them, it just isn't worth the cost. We could have so many more great leaders doing so many great things if it wasn't such a crappy job.; July 03, 2008 10:35 AM
jean said...: ap,
Wanting to do good is important.
But any boss of any sort likes the power. It is a natural thing.
Some people really hate to be in charge.
It is a personality trait that is important and balances our society.
Nothing is wrong with being in charge and liking it.
I think the US Presidency is the most thankless job on this earth.
jean; July 03, 2008 10:41 AM
jean said...: Ap,
Colin Powell was a general.
He liked the power. He had to give up a lot to achieve it.
His wife said I backed you all those years and now those years are OURS.
Smart man and a smart lady:)
Everything a politician does there is always a winner or a loser.
Whether winning an election or passing legislation.
How do you think they feel when they win. Of course they feel great doing something good, but they also love to win.
jean; July 03, 2008 10:51 AM
apissedant said...: jean,
We're guilty of that too... how disappointing were 2000 and 2004 for us? How nice was 2006? I remember celebrations and happiness and drinks. You can take part in a campaign without being the candidate under scrutiny and still get most of that wonderful winning feeling.

A great example of not liking power is George Washington. He hated it, but he felt it was his duty. That is what I think with Colin Powell. Just because he was a general does not mean he was power hungry. It is a job, and to military people, it is a responsibility. I never met an Admiral, but I did have the opportunity to speak to 4 different Captains while I was in the Navy. Each one of them were the nicest guys I met. They were not power hungry or anything else. On the Truman, I remember fighting with the Captain for about 30 seconds over who would go up the stairs first. I was trying to let him go first, he was the Captain after all, but he wouldn't have it.

There are plenty there that are power hungry too, don't get me wrong, my old RO made Captain and got transferred off the ship. He was bad enough as a Commander, I am very glad I never had to serve under him while he was a Captain.

Don't assume that a powerful job is necessarily held by a power hungry person, it isn't always true. Some people really are just good people doing their jobs and trying to help others.; July 03, 2008 11:33 AM
jean said...: ap,
I agree. But I do not think liking power is power hungry.
Power gives one the ability to do their job.
jean; July 03, 2008 11:39 AM
apissedant said...: jean,
I can agree with that.; July 03, 2008 11:46 AM
jean said...: ap,
So we agree a bit.
I must now clean my house because I recieved several phone calls last night stating I had July 4th at my house for several years and it was expected.
I must now try to get my teenage help to comply with my request.
I obviously have NO POWER.
jean; July 03, 2008 11:57 AM
apissedant said...: If there was any doubt that Republicans don't care about middle and low class blue collar workers, there is their latest OFFICIAL statement:

"the White House released a statement arguing that even if employment is declining, the economy has managed to continue expanding -- albeit at an anemic rate. Gross Domestic Product between April and June was 0.2 percent.

"We are no doubt in a period of slow growth, it is growth nonetheless but it's very slow and it's had an impact on employment," said White House spokeswoman Dana Perino. "

Quoted from the Washington Post.
Employers Cut Jobs for 6th Straight Month

Yes, more Americans are unemployed and have no income. Yes, the Republican party is in favor of ending all social programs, completely abandoning these citizens. So what? Who cares? Even though more Americans are screwed and earning nothing, those that still have a job got a .2% raise, so everything is ok.

Of course the value of the dollar they are earning has receded by 15% in the past year, but that is neither here nor there.; July 03, 2008 12:02 PM
apissedant said...: jean,
haha, very cute.; July 03, 2008 12:03 PM
Beryl said...: ap,
I agree with your assessment of General Powell. I don't think he is power hungry at all.

I don't know General Powell personally but I've been to events and listened to him. He comes across as a born leader. My father (my hero) retired as a Lt Col (who also went to Command General Staff College) and I understand the nature of military leaders.

Born leaders (military and otherwise) often have no desire to be a leader and would rather not lead anyone at all. They are usually put in those roles because of others. No matter how hard they try to stay in the background, people see that they have the ability to lead. They are often soft-spoken but when they do speak, people listen.

Now there are those who are power-hungry. I just don't think General Powell is one of those people. If he were, you'd see him out there running for office.; July 03, 2008 12:11 PM
jean said...: ap,
1 day notice for 30-40 people is not that cute.
I thought I had a reprieve this year.
SURPRISE.
I really have to get to work and the store.

In RE to the unemployment today.
YEP.
And the Dems are going to take BOTH houses.
jean; July 03, 2008 12:12 PM
apissedant said...: beryl,
I like your assessment. :); July 03, 2008 12:14 PM
jean said...: I guess I am power hungry.
Not a bad thing:)
jean; July 03, 2008 12:16 PM
jean said...: Ok waiting for the teenagers to awake.
Go to CNN on most popular video's with Obama watching the kids soccer game and michelle hitting him to put away the Blackberry.
Priceless.
jean; July 03, 2008 12:52 PM
Beryl said...: Cute video, jean. Thanks for calling attention to it. "Bury that Blackberry" -- right, MO; July 03, 2008 2:35 PM
Karen Anne said...: Who mentioned having the 400(?) photos of Obama?

Okay, I am not normally a groupie, but there is a photo on HuffPost of him in a cowboy hat,and does he look hot. A photo to definitely add to your collection, whoever you are :-); July 03, 2008 3:18 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Karen Anne-

I mentioned in the past about my photo collection. I have just a little over 200 now.

Thanks for the heads up regarding the photo ;); July 03, 2008 3:54 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: On the subject of whether the Rocky Mountain states will vote for Senator Obama or not:

It is my understanding that Montana is considered a Rocky Mountain state.

Montana:
Rasmussen Reports
7/3/08 - 500 LV, 4.5 MOE

Obama 48, McCain 43

Hmmmmm. Looks like, according to Rasmussen, Senator Obama is up by 5 points.

So much for that guarantee that Senator Obama 'has no chance' in the Rocky Mountain states.

By the way, most pollsters consider Rasmussen leaning to the Republicans when polling.

Mike; July 03, 2008 4:20 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike-

What is awesome about Montana is that the previous poll had McCain up by 5 points. So Obama has gained 10 points.

Obama '08; July 03, 2008 4:34 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: From FiveThirtyEight.com

A couple other polls out today too. In Rhode Island, which also hadn't been polled in a long time, Obama leads by 28 points in a Rhode Island College survey. This is not a surprise considering his recent results in Massachusetts and Connecticut. Speaking of which, there is yet another poll out in Connecticut, this one by Research 2000 on behalf of Daily Kos, which shows a 22-point lead for Obama (and suggests that Joe Lieberman would lose to Ned Lamont if that matchup were held today). Finally, a Strategies 360 poll in Washington has Obama ahead by 8.
----

More good news :); July 03, 2008 4:38 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Leah,

Senator Obama has a campaign stop in Montana on Friday. That could help him in the Dakotas also. Last polls taken in either of the Dakotas was in early April, and a LOT has happened in the past three months!

Mike; July 03, 2008 4:51 PM
apissedant said...: Leah, are we going to have Senate or Congressional pools?; July 03, 2008 5:04 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: apissedant -

There are senate and congressional tracker link at the top left of the page here at DCW. RCP aslo has polls for those races. I am not interested in those. Only the Obama race interests me and how he is doing in the states ;); July 03, 2008 5:11 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike-

Obama is in Fargo, North Dakota today :)

That will help a lot ;); July 03, 2008 5:14 PM
apissedant said...: Leah,
Ok. You seem to be the default pool organization person since we lost hyp, so I figured I'd ask if you were interested in guessing Senate and Congressional numbers. Oh well.; July 03, 2008 5:36 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: apiss:

You started engaging in unnecessary roughness. You have been kicked many times in your belly! But, still you don't learn any lesson!!

Suddenly, you take "ownership" of this Democratic Forum (those who have a negative net worth takes ownership of a private Site!lol. A dependent Student whose wife is pregnant, and away. Instead of helping her, this aPISS is spending all his time on this blog, blathering nonsense all day everyday!!!!lol)

Please read what the management/owners of this site say about this Thread:

"what does Obama need to do to win in November or whatever else is on your mind."

I have been writing about how BHO can win: By moving decidedly towards the Center - by junking his basic instincts of "Big Govt, Big Tax and Big Spending etc." Also, I point out what will destroy his Candidacy - that's what any responsible voter would do: point out good AND the bad.

Besides, my audience is NOT the FAR LEFT liberals and homosexuals. I am writing to the Silent Majority, who visit the site but do not actively participate. The Vocal Minority in this site is emotionally bound to the Weak Candidate, IMO. They are perennial losers.

I want you to read further what the owners/management of the Site say:

"And please be excellent to one another. We do not accept name calling or any attacks on our commenters. Any objectionable comments will be deleted. Try to be civil."

Can you understand what they mean?

1. On Sweet Deals BHO got from Northern Trust:

It appears he got a sweet deal for a Jumbo Loan. This needs to be explored further and see where it goes: perhaps, during the Debate.

Dodd and Conrad ARE VIPs of Countrywide, period. The foxes are guarding the hens!!!!

We know BHO got about $300K sweet deal from Rezko on his Mansion. This will be further explored during the Debate.

On the Polls:

You love the Private Polls, which use very small n=900-2000. My opinion is although they claim to use scientific method, I suspect they do NOT -they massage the data to suit their Editors' point of view. I take them with a pinch of salt. I like large n 400-500 K used in the AOL Straw Poll. I use it to get my Poll of Polls, which is very much tied or McCain is leading BHO, so far:

McCain 51%, BHO 48% and others 1%

On Corruption in Congress: Congressman Jefferson of LA, a Democrat would give you a lesson on that.

Learn first, think hard before you open your potty mouth.

Stay tuned.; July 03, 2008 5:48 PM
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Beryl said...: I'm so excited about a Obama presidency!

1. A new direction
2. CHANGE by the PEOPLE and not corporations.
3. HOPE
4. Regained respect globally
5. Youn children living in the WH.

2009 and beyond going to be great with this new administration!; July 03, 2008 6:02 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "5. Youn children living in the WH."

What??????????????????????????///; July 03, 2008 6:06 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "1. A new direction
2. CHANGE by the PEOPLE and not corporations.
3. HOPE"

Yes, to a wrong direction.

Yes, BHO will outlaw ALL the Corporations who have contributed to his campaign (55% of the money comes from the "bundles" from the Corporations!)

Yes, HOPE, we all will fail.lol; July 03, 2008 6:09 PM
Meg said...: How much do you know about what Iran has threatened or not threatened to do? Take the quiz...

http://tinyurl.com/6zysmn; July 03, 2008 6:10 PM
Meg said...: Perhaps this sounds trivial, but I'm looking forward to a husband and wife in the WH who actually like, respect, support and have fun with each other. When was the last time you saw Laura or Hillary playfully punch the POTUS?; July 03, 2008 6:13 PM
Beryl said...: Emma posted:
"Perhaps this sounds trivial, but I'm looking forward to a husband and wife in the WH who actually like, respect, support and have fun with each other. When was the last time you saw Laura or Hillary playfully punch the POTUS?"

Me too. It will be fun to see this couple and their children but I know they will want privacy. I think they have a great time together.; July 03, 2008 6:17 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: On Patriotism:

About 62% of Americans believe that serving in US Military is a sign of one's patriotism (gallup.com)

Then, BHO has a long way to prove that he is patriotic!

On National Security, on patriotism, on Foreign Policy and on being the Commander-In-Chief, BHO is nowhere to be seen on polls.
McCain wins by a mile.(gallup.com)

I want a President who would read all Presidential Daily Briefings, unlike Dubya Bush, and not playing with his wife and/or children in the Oval Office!

To play with his wife and children, BHO must get a ticket to go back to Hyde Park.

Stay tuned.; July 03, 2008 6:22 PM
jean said...: leah,
I see Ap's point.
The foundation to Obama is a 50 state strategy.
The reason for this is to get support so that he can actually pass legislation that matters and attain his goals.
Senate and Congressional #'s are strategic to hit this goal.
While this would be fun it would also educate so the full picture would be understood.
Just an idea.
Getting bored is no fun.
Horizons were made to be broadened.
Propaganda which will be strong the next few months is not better than knowledge.
Honestly, I do not know much about these races except locally.
Knowledge can be fun.
jean; July 03, 2008 6:22 PM
apissedant said...: stop:
Again, you're wrong on the facts.
1)Never took ownership of the site.
2)Do not have a negative net worth.

Since I made it two sentences and found two mistakes, I quit reading. I also never got kicked in the belly, but I just ignored that to begin with.; July 03, 2008 6:23 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: apissedant -

I didn't understand what you meant the first time. I thought you were asking about POLLS not POOLS (thought you had did a typo).

If someone on the thread would like to start a contest for Senators and Congresspeople then 'go for it'. I don't want to be the one keeping up with all of them.; July 03, 2008 6:24 PM
apissedant said...: Stop,
After you finish high school economics you'll understand what net worth actually means. Until then, again, you should go to a Republican forum, where your illogical and incorrect arguments might gain more traction.; July 03, 2008 6:29 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama did NOT get his home loan from Countrywide.

His interest rate was within margin of what other people's loans were at that moment in time.

This is a non story.

Even FoxNews on their website had a quote from Obama's bank saying everything was on the up and up and that he did not get a discount.

This is a non story.

The Republicans are trying to make a story where there isn't one.

OBAMA '08; July 03, 2008 6:29 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "Obama did NOT get his home loan from Countrywide."

I said, he got it from Northern Trust, in which he has invested about 3 million, as per the News.

We will see where this will end.

Yes, BHO is NOT a VIP of Countrywide.

Stay tuned.; July 03, 2008 6:33 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: According to the DCW Senate and House forecasts the Senate will pick up 3 to 6 new seats and the House 4 to 6 new seats.

Not much there to make a pool out of.; July 03, 2008 6:35 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: John Jr. used to play under JFK's desk in the oval office. Having kids in the White House is NOT a bad thing.

It will be good to have a president that has a well rounded life of work and family.

stop0 - get used to it, Obama will be our next President of the UNITED States of America ;)

President Barack Obama
First Lady Michelle Obama
Vice-President Kathleen Sebelius

Oh my those sure do sound good :); July 03, 2008 6:40 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "Not much there to make a pool out of."

What??????????????????????????????

I thought in a landslide of BHO there got to be 10-15 more Senators and 100 more Reps to the Congress!!!

What happened to the story of landslide, anyway?

ABS reports that Obama is moving to the Center to win!!!!!; July 03, 2008 6:41 PM
apissedant said...: SENATE/HOUSE POOL:

Same basic rules as the EC pool. First round will close Sunday at midnight, and I'll keep track if anyone actually wants to play. A second round can be held the same time as the second round for the EC pool. Senate number is most important, and House number is used to break a tie. For this reason, people can pick the same Senate number, but not the same House number.

I pick 55 Senate, 241 House.

(Obviously the number being picked is the number that Caucus with the Democrats); July 03, 2008 6:42 PM
Beryl said...: Leah/Jean,
Why are you feeding the troll (stop)?

You know this person has nothing better going on in his/her life than to come on this site and stir up trouble with his/her ignorance and lies.

IGNORE! IGNORE!; July 03, 2008 6:43 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: Read ABC News:

The danger to BHO:

He is doing everything he can to win - flip-flopping on key issues, including the Iraq War, according to George Stepha!

Stay tuned.; July 03, 2008 6:43 PM
jean said...: beryl,
I am sorry.
Ap, please stop it.
leah,trolls need to NOT be fed.
I will do my best.
jean

He/She is laughing at us.; July 03, 2008 6:47 PM
apissedant said...: Leah,
It never goes exactly as planned, and because you get to pick both numbers, it squares the odds against you. If you google larry sabato, you can get his analysis of Senate races. He shows about 10 seats that can easily be considered in play.; July 03, 2008 6:49 PM
jean said...: ap,
I will need some info.
I will start on this site.
I truly have not paid enough attention.
jean; July 03, 2008 6:50 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "Why are you feeding the troll (stop)?"

beryl:

Find a Soap Bubble and hide inside it!

You don't need to read any alternate view of the world!

Obama is gutting ALL of his promises during the Primary.

He will do anything to win....

He is just another politician from Chicago.

Good Day.; July 03, 2008 6:52 PM
apissedant said...: jean,
I realize, but the quick responses with ACTUAL poll numbers or the giant OBAMA chants feeds him just the same. I would rather feed a troll with correct information about the issues than feed him with chants. Feeding him with chants mean there is an entire page of posts with no actual information in them. If we are going to ignore him, fine, but it has to be a real ignore. That means no Obama chants immediately after his post, or correcting his poll numbers, just continuing our conversation as if he had never spoken.; July 03, 2008 6:52 PM
suzihussein22 said...: i v-When I mentioned finding his bearings, I was referencing McCain...sorry about the confusion.

karen anne-"pro-family"-It was in the article. I guess only "they" know what it means.; July 03, 2008 6:55 PM
apissedant said...: jean,
I LOVE your previous post! Knowledge is fun! I invite anyone to come discuss real issues with real facts, including Republicans. As long as they don't lie, aren't repetitively chanting the same garbage, and do not show bigotry, I will talk to anyone about the issues I care about!

As to Senate stuff, start at Sabato's crystal ball. He has actually been updating it lately, and he's pretty good and thorough. It is also pretty short, which makes it a great starting point.; July 03, 2008 6:56 PM
suzihussein22 said...: This is the blogger previously known as softspoken22. sh22 is fine.; July 03, 2008 7:01 PM
apissedant said...: soft, why did you change your name?; July 03, 2008 7:04 PM
Beryl said...: ap,
You are right. Continue to post per normal and do not respond to any personal posts from the Troll.

It is tough sometimes but the right thing to do.

Trolls are really pathetic.

Another topic - I'm a gun owner and THRILLED to see Obama clarify his position which he had already documented on his website -- responsible gun ownership. He voted AGAINST taking guns away in Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina (Clinton voted for it). Obama is turning out to be exactly the middle of the road candidate I always knew he was.; July 03, 2008 7:04 PM
suzihussein22 said...: apissedant-Now that we are headed into the GE with a clear dem nominee, I don't feel like I'm being very softspoken. Also, my nickname is Suzi, and I believe the word hussein, which means blessed, is being twisted be fear and closed mindedness.; July 03, 2008 7:09 PM
apissedant said...: beryl,
On gun control, I am against a city wide ban on guns. I am against state wide bans on guns or types of guns, as well as statewide gun control of any sort really. I find them terribly ineffective due to high and easy traffic between states and cities.
The thing with the SC vote was that I can find no legal reason for their argument. The Constitution is quite clear, especially when the Virginia and New York constitutions are used as a comparison, as well as the original drafts of the second amendment, and the Federalist papers, that guns were a state issue. (poorly structured sentence I realize)
The problem is that now the SC has declared it a national issue, and the federal government is much more limited in its abilities due to the second amendment, especially the latest interpretation.

Scalia used very little legal arguments for his reasoning, and most of them were sketchy. His opinion was coated with opinion and emotions, not law or precedents.

I think any effective control must be done at federal level. If that means banning Saturday night specials, limiting number of gun purchases per month, requiring registration, banning assault rifles, and requiring background checks, great! I am a law abiding citizen, and as such, I have no problems with any of these controls. These controls still allow me to own a gun, while helping prevent criminals, children, and the mentally insane from getting their hands on them.

That is the typical, "anti-gun" position, despite what the right tries to say. Almost no one wants to take guns away from all Americans, or ban handguns, or anything like that. They want tighter control of sales to prevent resales, or sales to mentally incompetent people or felons. The Virginia Tech kid was legally not allowed to buy a gun, but the gun dealers were legally allowed to sell him guns. Our current laws are completely inadequate.; July 03, 2008 7:18 PM
apissedant said...: Good reasoning sh22, I approve. (I'm sure you were waiting for that and would switch back if I didn't approve, right?); July 03, 2008 7:19 PM
jean said...: ap,
I will start gathering my new info
but I ask you patience.
I do not have as much free time as I would like.
jean; July 03, 2008 7:21 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "I believe the word hussein, which means blessed, is being twisted be fear and closed mindedness."

Yes, Barack Hussein Obama Jr was the first one who decided to hide his middle name, because HE feared that he will lose several million votes because of the middle name!

Maybe, that instinct of fear is unfounded.

He can call himself as BHO, not just BO.

All politics. He will do anything to win... the Power.

Stay tuned.; July 03, 2008 7:27 PM
apissedant said...: jean,
Completely understood. :); July 03, 2008 7:30 PM
stopOBAMAnow said...: "Obama is turning out to be exactly the middle of the road candidate I always knew he was."

MoveOn.org, Teamsters Union and other FAR LEFT outfits will desert BHO in a heartbeat if he moves to the Center really!

In N.Dakota, BHO is flip-flopping on Iraq Troop Withdrawal!

MoveOn.org, ARE you listening?

Stay tuned.; July 03, 2008 7:33 PM
apissedant said...: Has anyone taken a loot at what is going on in Minnesota? Franken is having a hard time, and the reason why is kind of funny. He accidentally forgot to pay 100k in taxes to various states. He was on tour last year, doing speeches in multiple states. He claims there was a paperwork error, and he sent the wrong states the wrong amount of money. It is severely hurting his chances of unseating Coleman, and his poll numbers are through the floor.

This is amusing because McCain's tax problem has been completely swept under the rug and let go. For some reason, it is completely ok for a President to make tax errors, but a Senator must have perfect taxes.

Both need to hire a new accountant, because it is embarrassing and bad form, but why is Franken's such a big deal, and McCain's doesn't matter?

In fairness, he also has a problem with an article written for Playboy, but that is a complete non-issue. It was a piece of satire for a risque magazine, and they (Republicans) are complaining that it was offensive and that they wouldn't want their 13 year old children reading it. Why their 13 year old children are reading Playboy is another story entirely.; July 03, 2008 7:41 PM
Independent Voter said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 03, 2008 8:20 PM
Independent Voter said...: WTF is up with MSNBC tonight? No Chris, No Keith, is Dan going to be on?

Anyone know why Chris and Keith aren't on?; July 03, 2008 8:23 PM
apissedant said...: Dave!!! Good evening!!! That one chick from Air America was on earlier, and she was terrible. She lied through her teeth trying to cover up for Obama. I was not a fan. She is normally so much better. It was over the 18 month troop withdrawal policy. I actually don't mind that he changed his mind, but honestly, don't pretend he didn't.; July 03, 2008 8:24 PM
Beryl said...: Maybe they are all out BBQing w/the Obamas.

A poll showed that even Repubs would rather party with the Obamas than with McCain.; July 03, 2008 8:26 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant. I'm assuming you're talking about Rachel Maddow - if it is she is normally really good.

What did she say? Because Obama has always said 16 months. And he spoke right before that program to "clarify" what he stated earlier today. I didn't catch much of it, I was busy at the time, but I kept an I on it through huffpo when I was at school.; July 03, 2008 8:28 PM
tmess2 said...: Picks for Senate and House

Senate -- 58 if you count Sanders and Lieberman, 56 if you don't

House (a little bit harder because a lot depends on the primaries over the next 2.5 months) -- 250; July 03, 2008 8:29 PM
Independent Voter said...: beryl,

I did see that poll. I thought it was great especially after McBush had all those pseudo journalists over to his house for a bbq.; July 03, 2008 8:30 PM
Independent Voter said...: tmess - I would say that the Democrats, if they get more than 55, will give ole Lie-berman to the curb. At least I hope they will.; July 03, 2008 8:31 PM
tmess2 said...: As to FISA immunity, I have mixed feelings coming from a law enforcement background.

Personally, I don't think a company should be able to be sued for cooperating with the government in the absence of specific contractual guarantees of privacy.

On the other hand, I know that us worker drones at the state level can't get this type of information from telecommunication companies without court orders done in triplicate (and even then we need to say simon says). I don't understand why they think that they are required to cooperate with federal law enforcement without any court authorization but don't have to cooperate with state law enforcement.; July 03, 2008 8:33 PM
tmess2 said...: Lieberman is done after the election if the Democrats pick up a net of 3 or more.

It's one thing to personally support a candidate from the other side. It's another thing to be a permanent presence on his campaign.; July 03, 2008 8:35 PM
Independent Voter said...: tmess - what really kills me is that worthless douchebag is still 'allowed' to attend the Democratic Convention. They shouldn't allow him anywhere near the convention.; July 03, 2008 8:40 PM
Beryl said...: Indy,
I saw that show with Rachel Maddow. She was on point, IMO. She stated how Obama "clarified" his 16 month comment way back in March so he is not flip-flopping now.

The Repubs have defined Obama as this extreme lefty and extreme lefties ate it up. Obama has never been on the extreme left. Now that he is all alone against McCain, he is re-stating his policies which have been clearly documented on his site.

Obama has always been a man of faith.

Obama has always believed in RESPONSIBLE gun ownership (not banning them).

Obama has always been pro-choice but has stated his moral pro-life position.

Obama has always been against the war but has voted for particular measures to protect our troops and to accomplish US goals.

It hasn't come up yet but Obama has never stated a position in support of "Affirmative Action".

His moderate position on key issues is why many of us in Colorado (Indy and Repubs) are turning our state blue. He will negotiate and compromise on many issues so that improvements can be made.

He only changed his position once so far and that was on public Financing. However, I would have preferred that he said "I changed my mind based on the climate of the campaign and in the best interest of my supporters."; July 03, 2008 8:52 PM
apissedant said...: Dave,
Maddows said that he never said he would withdraw troops in 16 months.

tmess2, got it, 58 and 250. The rules are if they caucus, they count.; July 03, 2008 9:08 PM
apissedant said...: beryl,
For the most part I agree with you. They mischaracterized him, just as most people mischaracterized McCain as a moderate, when he voted 80% at WORST with the Republicans since he has served.

On this one, he did talk about troop withdrawal. He clearly stated that he gives the mission, and the commanders follow orders. They are helpful in deciding HOW the mission is accomplished, but his job is to decide what that mission was. He declared his mission as withdrawal in 16 months. It apparently no longer is, which I am ok with, but let's call it what it is. I'm not calling it a flip-flop, I'm calling it slightly changing and refining his opinion with new information.; July 03, 2008 9:12 PM
apissedant said...: I'm not in love with the FISA decision, but I am not sure they could make a decision that I would be in love with, except not doing it in the first place. It wasn't malicious or intentional, they got strong armed by the Feds and caved. The Feds shouldn't have tried it, and the companies shouldn't have caved so quickly. This is one situation where I definitely don't think a giant class action law suit will fix anything.; July 03, 2008 9:18 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Rachel was right.

She was saying that in the 'clip' that was shown, Obama did not say what the other talking heads said he said.

Obama has always said that he would start getting the troops out and they'd be out in 16 months if he has his way ... but he has never said that it might not take 17 or 18 months. I think that a month or two either way is no big deal.

Joe Scarbourough was the one tonight twisting things.

I do not think Obama has flip-flopped. What he has been saying today he has always said.

1) Starting getting the troops out in 90 days - one to two brigades at a time - most troops out in 16 months.
2) Careful getting out as they were careless getting in
3) Listen to the Generals on the ground regarding logistics - that doesn't mean do what they say
4) The president sets the mission

None of those things are new. He has been saying all of that for several months at his town halls and rallies.

The Republicans and media took what he said early in the morning out of context, then in the afternoon he clarified his position which is the same as it always has been.

Obama '08; July 03, 2008 9:22 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Regarding FISA.

The bill that Obama is backing 'DOES allow for criminal prosecution' just not civil lawsuits.; July 03, 2008 9:27 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: MSNBC really sucked with out Chris, Keith, and Dan tonight. And I hated that Joe S filled in for Gregory. They didn't let Rachael fill in for anyone tonight and I thought that was very strange.

And that guy that has been filling in for Chris is annoying - they need to get rid of him ;); July 03, 2008 9:31 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama did not flip-flop on Iraq

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/03/obama-again-denies-change-of-iraq-stance/#more-8396

.; July 03, 2008 9:47 PM
Independent Voter said...: Are they having a "restructuring" over at msnbc?

If they are, I would LOVE for Rachel to have her own show. She could even replace Gregory for all I care. I think the guy is pretty useless.; July 03, 2008 9:51 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - I agree with you on the FISA bill. To me it isn't that big of a deal as long as criminal immunity is not included. As far as civil immunity, I'm all for it. Reason being is because most of us are having a hard enough time surviving with no end in sight of increasing energy prices, we don't need a huge increase in our communications services in addition to rising energy prices. Who else would end up paying for the settlement? The telecoms? I don't think so, they would just raise our rates.; July 03, 2008 9:55 PM
jean said...: Independant,
You're in love with Rachel,
You're in love with Rachel:0
Levity has returned.
I'm out of here for a few days with company etc.
Have fun in Palm Springs;)
jean; July 03, 2008 9:56 PM
Independent Voter said...: jean, I'm not "in love" with Rachel, I have the love of my life here with me :)

With that said, I think she would make a GREAT host! Get rid of David Gregory and replace him with Rachel. :)

See, I'm not sexist :)

We will be leaving tomorrow evening after we watch the fireworks out over the ocean off Ocean Beach.; July 03, 2008 9:58 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - just to be clear, he has said that he would have all combat troops out within 16 months. It is important to distinguish "combat" troops.; July 03, 2008 10:00 PM
Beryl said...: Indy may not be in love with Rachael but I'm in love with Keith O.

lol!

(Time to change my avatar again.); July 03, 2008 10:01 PM
apissedant said...: Leah,
I agree with the exception of Maddow. She said that he never asserted 16 months, which he did. He confirmed the question asked, which was that troops would be out in sixteen months. He did not specifically say 16 months, but by agreeing to what was said, he clearly implied sixteen months. She asserts that since he didn't say yes, it doesn't count. I disagree. The guy on the other side was not some giant Republican trying to tarnish his name, in fact five minutes later he was praising Obama about some other issue.

I like Maddow, I didn't like this particular statement.; July 03, 2008 10:02 PM
apissedant said...: His plan is the correct plan. He is aiming at 16 months, but willing to make slight changes to this if the situation on the ground requires it. That is half of what I have wanted all along, so I am in full support of his policy.

All he is missing is a long statement condemning the current government for not rebuilding the country, a comparison to the efforts taken after WWI and WWII, and condemning the American idea of blaming Iraqis for "not standing up so we can stand down."

That statement would never happen, because the ignorant public would not like the statement.; July 03, 2008 10:05 PM
apissedant said...: Dave,
agreed. I didn't like Maddow's statement, I have no problem with Obama's.; July 03, 2008 10:06 PM
tmess2 said...: ROFL -- The teamsters a "far left" group. Anyone who classifies the teamsters as far left is clearly to the right on 99.9% of America. The teamsters are about as centrist as you can get, maybe even a little right of center. They are as likely to endorse a Republican candidate as a Democrat.; July 03, 2008 10:07 PM
apissedant said...: If anyone has the link to the video, I would love to see it again and reevaluate.; July 03, 2008 10:07 PM
Independent Voter said...: lol beryl.

I didn't see where she said that. I'm having to watch AC 360, although I think Anderson is hot, I really got tired of him during the primary and quit watching his show. But since MSNBC screwed up tonight and didn't show any political shows which drives me nuts. GRRRRRRRR.; July 03, 2008 10:07 PM
Beryl said...: Yep, Anderson is hot, little guy but hot nonetheless. I like him but not as much as my main man, Keith. I also like Chuck Todd. His brain makes him a hottie.; July 03, 2008 10:10 PM
Independent Voter said...: beryl, I don't know about chuck todd. Intelligent? yes, but I just can't find myself referring to him as a hottie. LOL; July 03, 2008 10:11 PM
apissedant said...: Scarborough and Maddow; July 03, 2008 10:16 PM
apissedant said...: Anderson started on Channel One. I watched him in sixth grade. Just random fun fact of the day.

The video, around 5:15 seconds is when it all happens.

Watch the whole video, and pretty much everybody on the show looks retarded. They all twist and misinterpret. The question is all about the video they show at 5:30.; July 03, 2008 10:19 PM
jean said...: beryl,
You have really changed;)
You might want to give some details on your profile.HEH HEH
Indy,
Have FUN!
I need to do some homework.
jean; July 03, 2008 10:21 PM
jean said...: ap,
My birthday was the 30th.
6th grade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know how old you are.
Forget AARP.
See ya in a few days.
jean; July 03, 2008 10:26 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL jean. Have fun tomorrow! We are taking the laptop with us, but I will probably not be on here. I may look in to make sure you kids are all behaving, but I won't be too active. :); July 03, 2008 10:27 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - you are correct, at the 5 minute mark which if you use inductive logic it is an implied statement, which means that Rachel was wrong in this particular case.; July 03, 2008 10:31 PM
apissedant said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; July 03, 2008 10:32 PM
apissedant said...: jean,
Happy late birthday!

Dave,
Yeah, my only thing is that there was a flash in there, they cut his statement in two. I'm trying to search youtube for the original question, but I can't find it.; July 03, 2008 10:35 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL - :( Sorry jean, we missed it. Happy Belated B-day!; July 03, 2008 10:40 PM
apissedant said...: Original Debate Video

Starts at one minute. The clip was in context, so there is no save on this one. He can call it a mistake, or a misspeak, but he clearly implied 16 months no matter what.; July 03, 2008 10:43 PM
apissedant said...: OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA '08!!!; July 03, 2008 10:44 PM
jean said...: Indy,Ap,
Thanks.
I am not big on counting them;)
Indy,
You are not going to be active on your get-away.
Yeh, right.
jean; July 03, 2008 10:44 PM
apissedant said...: Dave,
Wanna play guess the Senate and House breakdown?; July 03, 2008 10:47 PM
Independent Voter said...: SWEET! Good job p'd ant; July 03, 2008 10:56 PM
Independent Voter said...: Jean, I won't be active on here ;); July 03, 2008 10:57 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant, I'm thinking on the Senate and House numbers at this point. I need to look at the races before I make a determination at this point. I know I took 538 for the EC, but we all know that I was joking, but hey, who knows, I could still come the closest, and since it's not the "price is right" rules, I still have a shot....LOL :); July 03, 2008 10:59 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Regarding the Scarborough clip, here's some info to consider:

Scarborough: was a Repig Congressperp who resigned his seat when a female intern had a mysterious death in his office. His voting record during the 90s was little different from Gingrich's, and after that until he left office was almost totally 100% for Shrub's position.

Tony Blankley: Former press spokesman for Gingrich - need we say more?

Michelle Bernard: President of the Independent Women's Forum (IWF). The mission statement of the IWF says:
The Independent Women's Forum is a non-partisan, 501(c)(3) research and educational institution. Founded in 1992, IWF focuses on issues of concern to women, men, and families. Our mission is to rebuild civil society by advancing economic liberty, personal responsibility, and political freedom. IWF builds support for a greater respect for limited government, equality under the law, property rights, free markets, strong families, and a powerful and effective national defense and foreign policy. IWF is home to some of the nation's most influential scholars—women who are committed to promoting and defending economic opportunity and political freedom. Sounds much like the 'Concerned Women of America' or Phyllis Schlafly's 'Eagle Forum'.

Noah Oppenheim: Currently a senior producer of NBC's Today show; formerly was Executive Producer of "Scarborough Country". Do you think Scarborough would have had anyone but a liberal on his crew? Also, consider this: Oppenheim's essays have appeared in the Wall Street Journal, Esquire, Men's Health, and The Weekly Standard. Not exactly a lineup of liberal, nor even moderate, publications.

As Rachel stated "four conservatives vs. one liberal" on that segment, what did anyone expect the discussion to be about?

Mike; July 03, 2008 11:00 PM
Independent Voter said...: MinM,

One thing though, with the exception of tonight, Michelle Bernard has always seemed to have been in Obama's court so I'm not really sure I would classify her as a conservative, but I could be wrong after reading their mission statement, YIKES!!!!!!; July 03, 2008 11:03 PM
apissedant said...: Mike,
No doubt they were all conservative with the exception of her. I don't consider them crazy conservative like those on FOX though.

Even still, this is not really the point. I watched it, and I am a liberal. The interpretation I got, was 16 months withdrawal no matter what. That is the answer Obama intended to imply, and that's the message I received. The fact the word "yes," was not included is irrelevant. Many statements mean yes, it doesn't require that one word.

I don't disagree with Obama's policy, in fact I think it is great. He spoke too point blank on this occasion, and now of course, the Republicans are using this as if it is what he had always meant. Part of this is just politics as usual by Obama, and having public statements that do not 100% agree with the written policies of the campaign. This is pretty much required in a campaign. I am kind of just blathering on, so I'll leave it there.

She was wrong, he said it. He said many other times something different, sure, but on this occasion he said it.; July 03, 2008 11:05 PM
apissedant said...: Dave,
Yeah, she always seemed rather liberal to me too. Maybe that was a poor assumption because she is to the left of the rest of the staff, and she is a black woman.

Part of it is that MOST shows also try to balance Republicans and Democrats a little. Apparently not this program.; July 03, 2008 11:07 PM
Beryl said...: Indy,
I've been watching Michelle Bernard closely and she has stated that she is right of center. She does seem to say mostly positive things about Obama but no more than most moderates who are flocking to Obama.

I like her because so far her views match my own.; July 03, 2008 11:14 PM
apissedant said...: Who, Daily Show repeat with Laura Logan. :); July 03, 2008 11:20 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - HUH?; July 03, 2008 11:30 PM
Independent Voter said...: A great article from Andy Borowitz.

It's titled Liberal Bloggers Accuse Obama of Trying to Win Election; July 03, 2008 11:37 PM
apissedant said...: Sorry Dave, English skills fail me when hot, smart, danger seeking women go on tv and flirt with Jon Stewart. They were repeating the episode where he interviewed Lara Logan, the CBS correspondent. There's an Enquirer article about her this week too.; July 03, 2008 11:42 PM
Independent Voter said...: AHHHHHHHHHH, got it p'd ant.; July 03, 2008 11:51 PM
Karen Anne said...: Front page of the Times, new Obama press conference: "But hours later he held a second news conference to emphasize his commitment to the withdrawal of all combat troops from Iraq within 16 months of taking office."

The Page has a composite photo that they've used before, it has Obama's sis on the left side and someone on the right side. Who is on the right side? His grandmother? McCain's mom? I don;t think she is the latter, as her hair looks different from his mom's.; July 04, 2008 12:03 AM
tmess2 said...: I can't believe all of the nonsense about what Obama said today. My memory from the debates is that he has always had several contingencies in the withdrawal timetables -- both about the ability to safely withdraw troops and about measures that if Iraq took might justify a slower withdrawal (i.e. real progress toward a self-sustaining democracy).

I don't see how a statement that he is "refining" his position in light of changes over the past several months is significantly different than what he said during the debates.; July 04, 2008 12:05 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Thanks for posting the Joe and Maddow link.

I wasn't listening very closely when it aired.

Rachael was trying to defend the 'words' in the clip ... but she is wrong on the 16 month part. Obama has always stated 16 months so Rachael shouldn't have pushed that point, so in the case she is wrong.

But all the other people are wrong saying that Obama has flip-flopped. Just because he says he will 'listen' to the generals on the ground (which he has always said in the past) doesn't mean that he will do what the say. He is only going to 'listen' to them.; July 04, 2008 12:06 AM
apissedant said...: Leah,
Ok, now we're in complete agreement.; July 04, 2008 12:13 AM
apissedant said...: tmess2,
That is the general consensus here, though not with the news people.

He didn't offer those stipulations during this one debate, but that isn't that big of a deal. He had offered them in written reports and other speeches on several occasions. So now the media is only offering the one time he didn't offer any stipulations that could cause the withdrawal date to change.; July 04, 2008 12:17 AM
Independent Voter said...: It wasn't even the "media" who made this an issue. From what I can see it was the McCain campaign that jumped all over it, and unfortunately we know how the news media has treated him this entire campaign season. Dan Abrams doesn't call him "Teflon John" for nothing. The media NEVER questions John on ANYTHING he does, including the whole Charlie Black crap, all of John's lobbyist ties, his pushing for corporate welfare while leaving starving families in the streets, etc. It's disgusting to see what has happened to the media ever since the beginning of consolidation which turned the news media into glorified tabloids.; July 04, 2008 12:24 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Karen Anne -

The one on the right looks like McCain's mother to me, perhaps it is an old photo.

Speaking of Maya (Obama's sister) she is supposed to be with the Obama family tomorrow celebrating the 4th of July and Malia's 10th birthday in Montana.

I think Maya introduced Obama today in North Dakota but I am not positive because I only caught 2 seconds of the news clip on TV. She is a school teacher and has the summer off so we will probably be seeing more of her out campaigning.; July 04, 2008 12:44 AM
apissedant said...: Dave,
Very good points and analysis, I agree. It is sad when you have to turn to the internet and The Daily Show in order to get honest news. One is a comedy, and the other is 99% crap, but at least that last percent contains the truth in it somewhere. Can't say that about MSM, that's for sure.; July 04, 2008 1:00 AM
apissedant said...: night all; July 04, 2008 1:00 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama Must Be Doing Something Right: He's Got The Fundamentalists of the Left and Right Upset

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obama-must-be-doing-somet_b_110673.html

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Goodnight everyone and Happy Fourth of July!; July 04, 2008 3:14 AM
suzihussein22 said...: Ben and Betsy sitting in a tree...awww-

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080704/ap_on_fe_st/odd_revolutionary_marriage

A little of it is already on the front of DCW. It's sweet to see people of any age find each other.

tmess2-I agree with you about what Obama has already said about troop withdrawal in debates.

I also don't think Obama said anything different about campaign finance that would make it much of a flip flop(or sandals).

I just wanted to say thank you to all the people that make this country possible. This election cycle, with all the financial and environmental upheaval, I am especially proud of those that are becoming involved and will do as much as I can to keep them encouraged and at the voting booth in November.; July 04, 2008 8:44 AM
suzihussein22 said...: This is just an article relative to our historical recognition of today-

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=5305009&page=1

"What I learned was the power of an idea in the hands of the just," says Alexander. "How those little colonies defeated the world's greatest empire. And then I realized that those revolutionaries were us. I decided if they could do it, so could I."

That paragraph in that article really says it.; July 04, 2008 9:17 AM
apissedant said...: I agree suzi. My main thing with the public financing, is that McCain had already attempted to pull out of public financing. Obama said he would if his opponent would, and his opponent had already made his intentions clear. Just because McCain decided to swap sides a third time does not mean Obama should have to continually jump back and forth with him.; July 04, 2008 9:41 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Hi everyone just wanted to wish everyone a safe and happy 4th of July. I will being thinking of everyone while I'm having a blast HA HA !!! Jean; July 04, 2008 10:42 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: From: US News and World Report

Some GOP insiders now predict that the Republicans will lose at least five seats in the Senate and 15 to 20 in the House...; July 04, 2008 2:01 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Photo of Obama's Good Luck Charms - some of what he keeps in his pockets.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_o4I0skPGvsY/SGJRL2myH1I/AAAAAAAAS_w/QKZ5dicmO3E/s1600-h/whblog_0602a.jpg; July 04, 2008 2:47 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Some interesting tid-bits from recent polls. I find it interesting that the pollsters are finally asking the question that's been bubbling under the surface - Is John McCain too old?

In New York:
A Rasmussen Reports survey conducted June 30 has Obama ahead of McCain 60 percent to 29 percent with 5 percent choosing "other" and 6 percent undecided.

Thirty-nine percent believe McCain is too old to be President while 52 percent reject the idea that Obama is too inexperienced.

Connecticut:
A Quinnipiac University survey conducted June 26-29 shows Obama is leading McCain by 56 percent to 35 percent. Rassmussen had it within 3 points on May 9.

According to Rassmussen (poll taken June 30), 32 percent believe McCain is too old to be President and voters say by a 53 percent to 41 percent margin that Obama has enough experience.

Mississippi:
McCain leads Obama 50 percent to 44 percent with 3 percent preferring "other" and 3 percent undecided, in a Rasmussen Reports poll conducted June 25.

Twenty-eight percent believe McCain is too old to be President and 51 percent say Obama is too inexperienced.

Nebraska:
McCain leads Obama 52 percent to 36 percent with 6 percent choosing "other" and 6 percent undecided in a Rasmussen Reports poll conducted June 23.

Twenty percent of voters say McCain is too old to be President while 52 percent say Obama is too inexperienced.

Michigan:
Obama leads McCain 48 percent to 39 percent with 13 percent undecided in a Public Policy Polling survey conducted June 21-22.

Ohio:
Obama and McCain are in a horse race with Obama out in front by a nose, 48 percent to 46 percent, with 7 percent undecided, according to a SurveyUSA poll, conducted June 20-22. Obama leads by more than 2-to-1 among voters under 34.

Thirty-one percent believe McCain is too old to be President and 48 percent believe Obama is too inexperienced (a notion rejected by 44 percent).

Colorado:
A Quinnipiac University/Washington Post/Wall Street Journal poll conducted June 17-24 has Obama leading McCain 49 percent to 44 percent.

Twenty-six percent say McCain is too old to be President while 50 percent say Obama is too inexperienced.

Oh, and Rasmussen recently asked Coloradans how likely they thought it was that the earth had been visited by extraterrestrials. Of those polled, 36 percent said somewhat or very likely while 55 percent said not likely. No results given on how those responses related to their choice of the candidates.

Mike; July 04, 2008 2:58 PM
Independent Voter said...: I know this is in VERY poor taste, but I do have some GREAT news!

Jesse, the racist-sexist-homophobic-Republican, Helms is DEAD!

May he ROT IN HELL!; July 04, 2008 4:46 PM
apissedant said...: Haha Dave,
I don't find it poor taste, but you're supposed to be enjoying your weekend with your significant other!; July 04, 2008 4:53 PM
Independent Voter said...: p'd ant - we are having fun today. And tonight we watch the fireworks out at Ocean Beach and head out to Palm Springs. We'll be back Sunday evening. YAY!!!!!!

We are headed over to Balboa Park here in about 1/2 an hour to play some volleyball and then some friends of our are coming back over here around 4 (it is 2 now) and we are going to bbq.

YEE HAW!!!!!; July 04, 2008 5:02 PM
Independent Voter said...: By the way, we just got home from shopping! Yes, we are such the stereotype queers who like to shop to stay in style. LOL

Speaking of style - I really don't like the color tan on our future POTUS.....he needs to go back to the navy blue. The white shirt looks great, but the tan suit.....UGH!; July 04, 2008 5:04 PM

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