Democratic Convention Watch: Open Thread

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

Open Thread

WE'VE MOVED! Democratic Convention Watch is now at http://www.DemocraticConventionWatch.com

Who's going to win, who has a better chance against McCain, or whatever else is on your mind.

We have decided to stop allowing anonymous comments. Not because we don't like reading what people have to say but because Blogger has introduced a new "feature" that makes you go to a second page when the number of comments go over 200.

It's very easy to set up a Google account so that you can continue commenting.

And please be excellent to one another. We do not accept name calling or any attacks on our commenters. Any objectionable comments will be deleted. Try to be civil.

Thanks!

Previous Open Thread here
New Open Thread here

4317 comments:

«Oldest ‹Older 1801 – 2000 of 4317 Newer› Newest»

suzihussein22 said...: Leah- Isn't it impressive that Obama would speak at the commencement for Kennedy?; May 25, 2008 1:21 PM
suzihussein22 said...: vicki-You're welcome.; May 25, 2008 1:22 PM
suzihussein22 said...: robh-The Princess and the Pea is one of my favorite fairy tales.; May 25, 2008 1:28 PM
Yamaka said...: "They weren't stirring it up when they didn't need the delegates," he said. "Let's not sort of pretend that we don't know what's going on. This is, from their perspective, their last slender hope to make arguments about how they can win." --BHO

Doesn't this say that BHO believes that HRC can win if MI and FL votes counted and their delegates seated?

To me yes.

This is what we have been saying all long.

If ALL votes polled are counted and their delegates seated, Hillary will win. As simple as that.

Only when MI and FL votes trashed by the RBC and DNC, then BHO can win.

What good will that kind of win be?

Nothing.. NO practical use.

With that type of Partial Nomination, he will lose big time to McCain, because most of Hillary's supporters will be either at home or with McCain!

So, folks, win fair and square. Include MI FL. Punish the SDs but seat ALL delegates from MI and FL, because the voters did do anything wrong, period.

If the Hurdle is 2209, and if BHO jumps over it, I will blog for him all day.

If not, I don't want to be with the perennial losers of Oh..Bama, Kerry, Dukakis and Mondale - the paragons of Bleeding Liberalism! I am a moderate, a centrist as most of Americans are.

Cheer, Smile and Vote for Hillary the First Woman POTUS.; May 25, 2008 1:32 PM
Peter said...: Yamaka:
I think its nice that you like Science Fiction.; May 25, 2008 1:37 PM
tmess2 said...: JesseinWisconsin

In your list, you had Ike Skelton as someone who went against both his district and his state.

That is incorrect. Ike represents the Fourth District in Missouri which went for Senator Clinton around 62-38.

If you want a breakdown by Congressional District, the best place to go is probably the Green Papers which will have both who represents each district and the vote totals by district (except in Texas which uses State Senate districts instead of U.S. House Districts for delegate selection).; May 25, 2008 2:08 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Not to lessen his ongoing struggle or his family's, but this is what will keep happening, for those of us that would vote for McCain if our first choice of Dem. isn't nominated-

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/magazine/25injuries-t.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin; May 25, 2008 2:18 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: softspoken22 said: "Leah- Isn't it impressive that Obama would speak at the commencement for Kennedy?"
_______

I think it was a wonderful gesture of friendship for Senator Obama to come to the aid of Ted Kennedy in his hour of need.

And of all of the people that Ted Kennedy could have picked to stand in for him at the event it is wonderful that Ted picked Obama.

.; May 25, 2008 2:18 PM
Meg said...: Yamaka:

One state with a primary had FEWER Democrats turn out to vote than Republicans. Guess which one? Mine! Florida! Many Democrats STAYED HOME because they were told their votes wouldn't count. In a state as large as FL that's a lot of voters. It was not a FAIR VOTE. Therefore, it shouldn't count. It was not a true reflection of the will of the people.; May 25, 2008 2:25 PM
suzihussein22 said...: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/weekinreview/25chotiner.html?ref=us

It's interesting that Churchhill is brought up in this after I found a quote from him in an evangelical shopping guide.Yes, I go to a Pentecostal church. Guilty by association? I hope not.; May 25, 2008 2:28 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Yamaka said...

"They weren't stirring it up when they didn't need the delegates," he said. "Let's not sort of pretend that we don't know what's going on. This is, from their perspective, their last slender hope to make arguments about how they can win." --BHO

Doesn't this say that BHO believes that HRC can win if MI and FL votes counted and their delegates seated?
_____

NO. It does not say that.
It only says that Obama they(Hillary/Bill/Clinton camp) 'hope to make arguments about how they can win.'

That does not mean that the 'arguments' are based in reality or factual based or correct.

You should stop spinning now - you will get dizzy, fall down and hurt yourself ;)

H
Obama '08
P
E; May 25, 2008 2:29 PM
suzihussein22 said...: issue-economy-How many jobs were supposed to be created in the Bush admin.?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/business/25teen.html?ref=us; May 25, 2008 2:33 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Yakama said: "If the Hurdle is 2209, and if BHO jumps over it, I will blog for him all day."
_________________

You know that the 'hurdle' will NOT be 2209.

So you are not fooling anyone by making that statement regarding blogging for Obama.

I think Obama would be better off without you blogging for him anyway ;)

.; May 25, 2008 2:33 PM
Meg said...: In case anyone's interested, Hillary wrote an oped piece for the NY Daily News today entitled "Why I Continue to Run"

http://tiny.cc/gX2mm; May 25, 2008 2:41 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: (CNN) — Former President Jimmy Carter said Sunday that in a little more than a week, when the last Democratic primary voters weigh in, it will be time for Hillary Clinton to “give it up.”

Carter told Britain’s Sky News that Clinton “had a perfect right” to keep running – but that “a lot of the superdelegates will make a decision quite, announced quite rapidly, after the final primary on June 3," he told Sky News Sunday.

"I have not yet announced publicly, but I think at that point it will be time for her to give it up," he added.

Carter, a superdelegate, has not made endorsement but has spoken out frequently in favor of Barack Obama.

Obama leads Clinton among superdelegates and has captured the majority of pledged delegates up for grabs this primary season.

.; May 25, 2008 2:41 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Emma -

I speedily read that on HuffPost earlier today.

She does say 'why' she is running in this race ... but I really did not see her say a clear reason on 'why she is STILL running' regarding the math being against her and HOW she thinks she 'might' be able to win.

So I do NOT think she answered the real question of WHY IS SHE 'STILL' running at this point.

I believe she STILL thinks something will happen to Obama or that Obama will implode - even though now we have seen HILLARY IMPLODE!

THE WORLD IS WATCHING US!
.; May 25, 2008 2:48 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Excerpt from CNN:

On another front, Axelrod slammed Clinton for suggesting she leads Obama in the popular vote.

Clinton has been making that argument, based on figures that include Florida and Michigan, even though Obama took his name off the ballot in Michigan and neither candidate campaigned in Florida. The Democratic Party discounted both states' primaries before they took place.

"It would take some very tortured math and tortured logic to say that she's ahead in the popular vote," Axelrod told ABC.

He added, "This isn't 'American Idol,' OK? This is a nominating process. We have rules. We elect delegates state by state."

.

Note: Highlighted for emphasis.; May 25, 2008 2:53 PM
tmess2 said...: As far as how Clinton can win and how seating Michigan and Florida in full are her only hopes:

About 3 months ago (not sure if its on Yahoo Answers or elsewhere), I stated that the key number for Clinton's argument with the pledged delegates was 50. My opinion then and now was that 50 was one of those numbers with political weight. If she could get the gap in pledged delegates to less than 50, then the unpledged delegates might consider it a tie and see themselves as the tie-breaker.

At that time, Clinton still had big states like Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Indiana to help her close the gap. Her net from those state was a stunningly small 20 delegates. When you include all of the other states from that time frame, the net drops down to 19 (not including the delegate losses from the later stages of states that had their first stage in January and February which would reduce the net to about 7).

Having failed to close the gap by winning delegates, that leaves only one route left for closing the gap -- seating the full delegates from Michigan and Florida. There are still barely enough undecided Edwards supporters in Florida and undecided uncommitted in Michigan (including the 19 delegates to be selected on June 14th) to allow Senator Clinton to reduce the margin to close to 50 if she gets all of them. (Right now if the delegations are seated in full, the gap is probably between 90-100 pledged delegates.)

My personal opinion is that the unpledged delegates no enough about how screwed up the Florida and Michigan elections were that they aren't going to take those delegations into account and considering which candidate is the "winner," but those two delegations are Clinton's only argument for a tie.; May 25, 2008 3:02 PM
greywolf said...: Hi everyone, just want to say good afternoon and pass on this tid bit of info.

Hillary today stated that Obama and his camp are inflaming her remarks which is causing people to think the unthinkable.

FYI for the Hillary supporters. It is statements like this that keep me from even remotely considering Sen Clinton as a potential anything.

The media immediately jumped upon this mess and they are the ones that made the statement regarding her past references to this, and tied it together with Huckabee's statements as well as past death threats agains OBAMA.

Obama's first comments were that this was an unfortunate statement that had no business in politics.
His second statement about this was that he did not believe Sen Clinton ment it to harm anyone and that he did not believe that she was makeing the statement as implying anything towards him. His last statement was made after he was pointedly asked by the press if he thought there was anything in Sen Clinton comments and his response to her statement that he was inflaming her comments.

Sen Clinton is the one that said it. Not Obama, not his staff, not her pundants or supporters. This remark came from her own lips and unfortunately she will need to suck it up and stop blaming any one except her self. Obama did not blame his Bitter comments on any one, he took full responsibility and sucked it up. Same applied to his Rev Wright, he did not blame anyone for Rev Wrights comments or his association, he took his responsibility and sucked it up.
I suggest Hillary do the same and stop trying to blame anyone other than herself.; May 25, 2008 3:20 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: greywolf-

Yes it is unbelievable that Hillary would even think of pinning this one on Obama when he had nothing to do with what she said or how the media latched onto it.

He came out and even said that he thought she did not mean what it sounded like.

I am amazed that almost everyday Hillary does or says something that still can astound me!

The superdelegates really need to hurry up, stand up, endorse Obama and get this mess over with!

.; May 25, 2008 3:27 PM
greywolf said...: This is for Yammie

I watched ABC this weekend report. Everything your stating is pure BS. It is nice to see that Sen Clinton supporters like to make things up as they go to see if any of it sticks. Sorry this I am on to you. Your radical and distorting comments as well as those like yours from Obama side are exactly why this nomination process is turning so ugly. One day this will catch up with all of you, in some way shape or form it will catch up with you. You all need to stop this kind of activity,maybe grow a little and sit down and have a responsible, conversation about the possibilities and get away from trying to change the past or rewrite the conversations, views and points of others to your benefit.; May 25, 2008 3:31 PM
JayW said...: Greywolf...

I posted this before, but I will post it agian. There is no sense at all in trying to have a rational conversation with Yam... he is clearly delusional.

Post from earlier:

We should all leave Yam alone, he suffers from a menatal defect. Yam is truly delusional.

Here are the signs of someone that is delusional... not knowing the guy we can all see that Yam fits at least 8 out of 10.

1. The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.

2. That idea appears to exert an undue influence on his or her life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.

3. Despite his/her profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the patient is questioned about it.

4. The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.

5. There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to him, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly.

6. An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.

7. The belief is, at the least, unlikely.

8. The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of his psyche.

9. The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.

10. Individuals who know the patient will observe that his belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien.; May 25, 2008 3:46 PM
greywolf said...: Think about this. We as Americans are writting a great new piece of history. Who would have immagined 100 years ago let alone 50 25 or even 12 years ago that we as a nation would come together enough as a people to have a Female and AA male running for the most thankless, high stress, under rewarding, most demanding, nerve racking, job in the world.
I would not want to be president, you no longer have any kind of life, yet these two people have made the committment to pay the ultimat sacrifice to this country and the world should they become the next president of this country.
That my friends is history, and I am so very glad to be part of it.; May 25, 2008 3:55 PM
greywolf said...: Also think about this. Look at the numbers of people that are voting and becoming involved in this process. This is a very first for our country to have such a high level of involvement and support for the democratic process. This election will go down in the history books through out the world. And we as Americans regardless of who we support should be extreemly thankful that our form of government allows us to do this.
I think it is time for everyone with in the Democratic party to put aside their feelings one way or the other and unite on one front and be ready, willing and able to throw our support behind who ever gains the nomination.; May 25, 2008 4:02 PM
greywolf said...: okay i am off my soap box now.
you can all start talking agian.

Sorry but just had to get that off my chest. I have been voting for 36 years now. and this is the worst I have ever seen a primary become, so just had to say something.; May 25, 2008 4:05 PM
greywolf said...: Wow, sorry if I offended anyone. It sure got awful quiet in her.; May 25, 2008 4:13 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: I'm not offended one bit, greywolf! I agree with you.

perhaps many people have other things to be doing on a sunday of a 3 day weekend ... I'm just puttering around.

btw, Eugene? thanks for letting hippies like me camp out nearby every July. We do appreciate it!; May 25, 2008 4:28 PM
Emit R Detsaw said...: LOL Greywolf

Just think the room is pretty empty this afternoon.

;o); May 25, 2008 4:29 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: greywolf-

You did not offend me.
Out took a time out and went out the garden to give the plants a little drink :)

The only thing I see good about the race going on as long as it has is that Obama's volunteers have registered tens of thousands more new voters than if the race had been shorter. This will help him immensely in the General Election :)

.

It is Memorial Day weekend here in the USA so this thread might be alot slower than usual.; May 25, 2008 4:31 PM
greywolf said...: It may be slower that is true. Was just surprised how suddenly quiet it seemed. Ya all can come out here and camp any day you like.
That is truly one of the great things I like about being in oregon. One hour drive to the ocean, 45 min to the mountains and an hr and 1/2 to the high desert.; May 25, 2008 4:34 PM
jethrock said...: Now she says that she “was deeply dismayed and disturbed” when people actually listened to her words??? Again… it’s all about her.

Hillary– Again you’ve missed the point!!!

And so has your staff: Mr. Wolfson said on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” “It was unfortunate and unnecessary, and in my opinion, inflammatory, for the Obama campaign to attack Senator Clinton on Friday for these remarks, without obviously knowing the full facts or context.”

I remember when you Hillary, and your campaign jumped on the “Bitter” remarks within half an hour of the story hitting Huffington Post on a Friday afternoon. You were on the trail in PA. It was unfortunate and unnecessary, and in my opinion, inflammatory, for the CLINTON campaign to attack Senator OBAMA on Friday for those remarks, without obviously knowing the full facts or context.”

But you did know the facts and the context and you didn’t stop there… You pounded, and pounded, twisting the context full of colorful distortions and adding elitism to YOUR interpretation.

But no one expects you to actually apologize for your actions or your words. It would be a first, something you are incapable of. You shouldn’t just apologize to the Kennedy’s, but to Obama’s daughters, his wife, his extended family, the democratic party, the republican party, every independent voter, every American, every country that has had a major political figure assassinated and the people who have suffered because of it… this list could go on… but you could simply start with the Obama family.

But you won’t because you are truly “deeply dismayed and disturbed”; May 25, 2008 4:43 PM
greywolf said...: Leah,

I think for me I am just so tired of all the media spin and hype as well as ppl twisting, distorting and out right fabricating facts to suit their own needs to feel important and relevent. This race is not about one single person, and it sure is not about the candidates. This is all about us the American people who finally have a choice to make, the possibility of a brighter future and the ability for the first time in a long time to dream of change, hope and prosperity for all of us, not just the select elite few.
I am exicted, very much so. Especially since I will retire in less than 10 years. Hope things settle down by then and I find a job that allows me some time to save some extra money so I can really enjoy that retirement. I have been unemployed for 19 months now and it really sucks.; May 25, 2008 4:46 PM
greywolf said...: jethrock said...
Now she says that she “was deeply dismayed and disturbed” when people actually listened to her words??? Again… it’s all about her.

Jethrock I really dont expect her to appologize. I expect her to stand up and take responsibility for what she said and the impact her words had. She could have said it much better. She could have not said it at all, but she did for the 4th time since this race began. But with everything that has been said since, Huckabee, and the numerous death threats against obama, which she is aware of, could have just not said that or at least chosen her words much better. But it was said and she just needs to acknowledge she is the one that caused this up roar and acknowledge she could have said it differently. That is all I expect of her nothing more.; May 25, 2008 4:54 PM
RobH said...: Hey Leah,

Another little dose of numbers to take in on your patio this fine afternoon.

Right now DCW shows HRC needs 246 delegates to secure the nomination.
I expect she'll pick up 44 in the contests of 6/1 - 6/3. So, she needs 202 Supers to endorse her.

Oops. there's only 204 left.

Ouch!!

Like I said earlier; new math, old math, myth math...IT REALLY IS OVER but for the waiting.; May 25, 2008 4:55 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: WOW!

I said above:

"Out took a time out and went out the garden to give the plants a little drink :)"
_____

I haven't had a drink!
I haven't even made any strawberry rum slushes today and my typing is absolutely horrible! LOL; May 25, 2008 5:00 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: thx greywolf for the offer - unfortunately, it wouldn't be just me camping out on your property. And you know, we are happy enough to pay money to camp out in a campground that is prepared to house several tents for 3-4 days.

thanks again! you are obviously a kind man with an abundance of life experience. I have a lot of life experience too, but vastly diff experiences. I'm happy to know that we can come together here to discuss politics, in spite of our varied backgrounds and beliefs.

anyway, back to puttering.; May 25, 2008 5:00 PM
Anonymous said...: Another good thing is even with Obama and Clinton still going after each other, Obama has still been gaining in popularity relative to McCain, whichis an excellent sign for when he finally does sew it up.; May 25, 2008 5:01 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: it's all over but the shouting, I suspect.; May 25, 2008 5:03 PM
greywolf said...: Vicki

I will be spending most my summer starting the end of June camping throughout the coastal range and the Cascade range. I normally go out for 3 weeks at a time and return long enough to freshen up,resupply shower real good, and then I am out again. It is the only way to spend this time of not working. I have my lap top out with me and a wireless system so I can check email and phone messages should I get a job offer. Other wise Im out enjoying nature.; May 25, 2008 5:06 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: RobH -

And what is the current projection for Obama?

He needs only 52 more.

Maybe 3 today from Hawaii.

North Dakota - how many?

Montana - how many?

6/1 Maine State Convention add-on (1) ?

.; May 25, 2008 5:07 PM
greywolf said...: If I am not out, I will be working at the local soup kitchen, helping out the nearly 3000 homeless that live in and round Eugene. The homeless rate here is outrageous and unexcusable, vets, mom and dads with small kids, those that are mentally and emotionally distresse and a lot of run away kids. It so sad so I try to help when I can.; May 25, 2008 5:08 PM
greywolf said...: ND split
Montanna split
PR 20 + or - 4
it will be a push, maybe a tie or a plus 10-15% for Hillary that is unless Richardson does some good there for Obama.; May 25, 2008 5:11 PM
Peter said...: Greywolf, Obama have a huge margin in Montana at the moment. Poll released today have him 17% ahead. That means he is close to a 10-6 win in Montana.

Last poll in SD, had him 8 points ahead. There is no reason this margin hasn`t increased, because that poll was taken in the middle of the wright controversy. If he wins with 14-15% he would likely get a 9-6.

PR is difficult to predict. There has only been taken one poll here, Clinton was ahead with 13%, but that was taken a long time ago. Clintons reputation in PR is mixed. I am not sure that Clinton will win in PR and if she wins it would probably be with a single digit margin.; May 25, 2008 5:19 PM
greywolf said...: Peter, I was basing my analysis on the informatin I had. No information on current polls in any of the three here other that showing Clinton ahead in PR by 13%.
So I figured to be generous to clinton and be surprised it it was more towards Obama. LOL

For Now I am thinking a total of maybe 36 to 40 combined for the last three primaries, plus 2-3 for the last few add ons, (considering one or two may be female that has that pitty wagon going for Hillary). So I am hoping for a 38 to 43 total for the last three primaries plus the next two add ons states.; May 25, 2008 5:25 PM
Meg said...: You know, I really thought the SD's would come forth in a big way BEFORE May 31, but it looks like that isn't going to happen. They don't want the responsibility. WIMPS!!; May 25, 2008 5:26 PM
Meg said...: On another note, does anybody know why the Green Papers site shows a total of 797 non-pledged delegates and DemConWatch has 796?; May 25, 2008 5:30 PM
Peter said...: The impact of Clintons RFK-gaffe is not easy to measure, I don`t think the full impact will be discovered until the middle of next week because of the holiday. But several Clinton backers in NY, specially african-american are quite upset and her support is weak. Several Kennedy family members are upset. I take a lot of people have had it with her, but I don`t think we will see a rush of supers backing Obama before june 3th. I think Obama-camp wants to have SD and Montana securing his majority, if they don`t, supers will secure it in the days after.

Clinton has lost crucial support in to VERY important states, California and New York. She has lost support both in the party and with voters. I don`t think we will see NY supers switching, but they will talk to her for sure.

Clintons RFK gaffe is not just bad, its bad timing. The 40 year anniversary of RFKs death is only a couple of weeks away. Ted kennedys tumour and her recent MI/FL attacks. BAD TIMING. I also think a lot of african-americans are quite sensitive with this issue because of MLK, HRCs position among AA is allready weak at best. And I think people in general are sensitive regarding this issue. This gaffe makes HRC unelectable and she could never be on the ticket know. I also think she could face problems with her senator seat in the future and any hopes of a run in 2012 is gone. Its sad, because she had a good opportunity to be historic, but I think she has lost focus.

I recommend this:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05252008/news/nationalnews/kennedys_feel_bobby_socked_112469.htm; May 25, 2008 5:31 PM
Yamaka said...: Folks, Good Afternoon:

It's very hot outside in Houston.

This is a real political season - we need some comic relief. Satire should be our way of conversation.

Here is another Imaginary Conversation with BHO Jr. Enjoy.
________________________________
--Good Afternoon, Sen. Assalamu Alaikum. How are you Sir?

--Hi Yamaka, Alaikum Assalam. I feel very good when you greet me like that. The old nostalgia of my days in Indonesia - my wonderful days when I used to recite the Holy Koran so well to the amazement of Lolo, my Muslim stepfather - they just stream past in my inward eye!

Well, Yamaka. Good things are very good. I raised unbelievable amount of money. But, again, some level of unhappiness in me, and in my staunch supporters. We thought we will give Hillary an elbow and steal the Nomination two months ago. You see, here we are till the end of May nothing is certain.

My friend, why do we live in this precarious pathetic situation? I thought Money can buy everything, yes everything in life - but the fact is too much Money is a poison! We don't work hard and harder, the way Hillary does. She shows hunger - she is a non-stop campaigner. She works so hard as though there is no tomorrow. On the other hand, I already feel I have the Nomination under my armpit - I just loaf around like a big lazy goose. I tell my daughters Malia and Shasha to watch Hillary, she should be their Role Model - how to work hard and move up the ladder of power, respect and prestige. They should not look at me or the useless lazy Michelle, who whenever opens her silly mouth so much dirt comes out! I am very ashamed of myself and my wife!! We are very lazy people, indeed!

Yamaka, the RBC Meeting is going to be a Big Game Changer. I am sure they will punish the real villains - the SDs from MI and FL. They will allow other Ds to seat in full. Of course, that's fair - the voters did not do anything wrong- they followed what their State Govt said, went to polls and voted - some 2.3 millions. We MUST honor those folks. But again, that puts me in a deeper hole. Hillary will win PR very big - in spite of Richardson and other Latinos I sent there - Rich is a useless campaigner. His new look is like a Big Thief of the Seas!!

If the New Hurdle is 2209 as Hillary wants it, and maybe they may not give me anything from MI, where I stupidly removed my name in Jan, what am I going to do? Oh, Lord, it is crushing and shameful defeat for me. I have tons of Money, but I don't have votes, votes! Hillary is leading by 164 K official votes. After PR, it will be 250K, then the whole game is over for me.

Suddenly, there will be deluge of SDs jumping ship from me and joining Hillary! Yes, she can win this Nomination - my supporters day dream it won't happen. Their numbers are just "Wishful Thinkings"- not true, because the SDs can and WILL jump ship if I don't have Popular Vote Lead, which I don't have NOW. In SD and MT I may gain a few thousand votes more than Hillary. So what? Still she will be the Queen of Popular Votes, which is very very important for the SDs - the remaining SDs who are ALL Hillary Leaners.

Yama, my friend, I am in a pickle. Pray for me. Money, Money Money I have plenty..Vote Popular Vote I don't have. No Popular Vote Lead No Nomination, period.

--Senator. Don't worry. Some miracle could happen and still you could snatch victory from the jaws of impending failure. Don't lose hope. I got to run....Insha Allah we will meet again.

--Yes, we will Yama. Allahu Akbar Rassooolilahi Allahu Akbar. Allah is the Greatest. Bye....Hi..Hi..Hi.

___________________________

Folks, enjoy the meat on the bone!; May 25, 2008 5:31 PM
greywolf said...: It is nice to see that Sen Clinton supporters like to make things up as they go to see if any of it sticks. Sorry this I am on to you. Your radical and distorting comments as well as those like yours from Obama side are exactly why this nomination process is turning so ugly. One day this will catch up with all of you, in some way shape or form it will catch up with you. You all need to stop this kind of activity,maybe grow a little and sit down and have a responsible, conversation about the possibilities and get away from trying to change the past or rewrite the conversations, views and points of others to your benefit.; May 25, 2008 5:40 PM
greywolf said...: Think about this. We as Americans are writting a great new piece of history. Who would have immagined 100 years ago let alone 50 25 or even 12 years ago that we as a nation would come together enough as a people to have a Female and AA male running for the most thankless, high stress, under rewarding, most demanding, nerve racking, job in the world.
I would not want to be president, you no longer have any kind of life, yet these two people have made the committment to pay the ultimat sacrifice to this country and the world should they become the next president of this country.
That my friends is history, and I am so very glad to be part of it.; May 25, 2008 5:40 PM
Meg said...: Hallawallah Habibiti Yamaka:

How is it you know so much Arabic? Though your spelling is curious. Inshallah Obama will win!; May 25, 2008 5:41 PM
greywolf said...: Also think about this. Look at the numbers of people that are voting and becoming involved in this process. This is a very first for our country to have such a high level of involvement and support for the democratic process. This election will go down in the history books through out the world. And we as Americans regardless of who we support should be extreemly thankful that our form of government allows us to do this.
I think it is time for everyone with in the Democratic party to put aside their feelings one way or the other and unite on one front and be ready, willing and able to throw our support behind who ever gains the nomination.

sorry all those three above were cut and pasted for yammie. My only reply and comment to his yammering.; May 25, 2008 5:42 PM
Peter said...: Emma, I think Obama-campaign has full control of this. If you read what a superdelegate like Carter says, he is supporting Obama, but will endorse after june 3th.

I think that is a wise move, the last thing we need is HRC making a big case of how she was "pushed" out by the superdelegates. Obama will probably get 2-3 supers from Hawaii later today, he is just over 50 away from 2026. That number will increase some after may 31, but he is still withing 100 delegates away. I pretty sure that we will see 10-20 superdelegates endorsing Obama before may 31., but not more than that, because they don`t want to reach 2026 before the new number is clear. That new number will probably get him 50-70 delegates away from the victory before PR on sunday. He would most likely get around 37-43 delegates from PR, SD and MT. That means he would probably need somewhere around 50 superdelegates endorsing from today on. That is no problem.

I think we could see 2 scenarios, 1 where they have a situation before SD and MT where Obama needs 10-15 delegates to win the whole thing, he would easily get that from MT and SD.
The other scenario is him winning SD and MT, enough superdelegates endorse the day after.

There are a least a couple of dozen superdelegates who supports Obama but who stays neutral offically until the primary is over, so there is no need to worry, its just over week left.; May 25, 2008 5:45 PM
Meg said...: Peter:

The thing is that Hillary will be pushed out by something. If it's the RBC's way of defining FL and MI then couldn't she sue? After what happened in my fair state of Florida, lawsuits are not out of the question. Seems like it would be harder to sue a bunch of SD's. Nobody wants to be the messenger telling her it's over. Are people so afraid of the Clinton machine and their own re-electability?

Obama is no dummy. And he is a gentleman, but I really feel she will stop at nothing. After all, she just can't understand why people are telling her to get out.; May 25, 2008 5:54 PM
greywolf said...: Peter I just crunched the numbers again i think we can feel pretty confident that Obama will receive some where in the neighbor hood of 43 to 47 primary delegates and add-on's between now and June 3rd. lets assume he lower that means he only needs another 9 to reach that 2026 that is currently established. After that its all speculation as to what the rules committee will do.; May 25, 2008 5:55 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 25, 2008 5:59 PM
greywolf said...: Emma

Unfortunately a lot of those political types are afraid of the Clinton machine. They actually have a lot of power, more than they should but they have it. there are a few that are not afraid of them, but there are some that are. I honestly think that once the rules committe makes their call she will back out, and they have already stated they will not act in a way that benefit (Donna on CNN has stated that many times and she is on the Rules committee). Time will tell the real story.
Hillary,; May 25, 2008 6:00 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Okay so it could go like this:

Obama NEEDS 52 as of now.

Then if he gets:

3 - Hawaii add-ons
28 - Puerto Rico
1 - Maine add-on
10 - Montana
9 - South Dakota
7 - Pelosi Club
-----
58 TOTAL

So even if no other SuperDelegates come out between now and June 4th - OBAMA WINS ;)

Obama '08
.; May 25, 2008 6:02 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Emma-

Gellar just filed a lawsuit down there in Florida a couple of days ago.

Gellar has endorsed Clinton.; May 25, 2008 6:05 PM
Peter said...: Thats probably true, I think they have full control of the timing, so he will secure the nomination on june 3th or 4th.

The RFK gaffe sadly got some more legs now. A SICK Fox-news woman has revealed her evil soul to america. This is sad, she should get fired right away and Fox news should get a huge penalty, but my fear is that nothing will happen as usual.

http://dailykos.com/story/2008/5/25/15389/8576/115/522617; May 25, 2008 6:06 PM
Independent Voter said...: Pander much Hillary? Now she wants a Constitutional Amendment for Puerto Rico to vote in the general election. Why don't we allow the US Virgin Islands to vote in our general election, how about Guam, hmmmm who else can she pander to. You can read more about her 'promise' to allow Puerto Ricans to vote in GE; May 25, 2008 6:10 PM
Independent Voter said...: leah, but what's even funnier is that he was mocking the DNC for imposing sanctions as he voted in favor of pushing the primary up.; May 25, 2008 6:12 PM
greywolf said...: Peter they already pulled that story from the system for a rewrite or edit.

Leah.

I was considering
pr 24
ND 8
Montana 8

Was leaving room for error. LOL; May 25, 2008 6:12 PM
Yamaka said...: Folks:

I just heard on ABC Evening News that Carter, the Icon of Failed America Policy is joining Oh..Ba...Mah!

He is the living reminder of how a Bleeding Liberal Ideology can clobber America!

Now the line goes like this:

Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry and BARack Hussein Bin Obama

The lineage of the Perennial Losers of General Elections!

After witnessing the most incompetent days of Carter, vast number of Americans have moved prudently towards the Middle, the Meaningful Center, as I have.

SDs, if you nominate BHO in spite his very lean and mean experience and the FAR LEFT Liberal Ideology, the Democratic Party will kiss the fate of Carter, Mondale, Dukakis and Kerry.

You will lose the WH and the Congress, believe me!

:-(; May 25, 2008 6:14 PM
Peter said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 25, 2008 6:19 PM
Meg said...: Sometimes I just don't know how we would survive without cable news pundits telling us how outraged we all are. Who decided to run the Wright snippets for 2 weeks solid? It wasn't a bunch of average Americans calling the station saying "Please play those clips just one more time!!!"

So now they go after Hillary. Although I am a proud Obama supporter, I find it very troubling that the media can CREATE such controversy and influence people's votes. It's scary.

Although the RBC is meeting before the last 3 primaries, maybe they won't actually decide anything until they are over. Perhaps the SD's are waiting for the new number.

p.s. Leah, I could be wrong, but I think that we are only going to hear about 1 Hawaii add-on today. The other 2 are just SD's who haven't committed yet.; May 25, 2008 6:20 PM
greywolf said...: One thing Hillary has forgotten with all those promises. Guam, Pr, the US VI are all considered U.S. territories. In order to gain the vote, they would have to be granted state hood, and an amendment to the constitution would be in order. PR has twice declined statehood, and Guam and the US VI has declined state hood once. I dont think those people are that stupid to fall for that bag of tricks.; May 25, 2008 6:20 PM
RobH said...: Hi Leah,

Check my posts @ 1:02, 1:03.

We're on the cusp of moving into negative "to-go" numbers. This week.; May 25, 2008 6:20 PM
Unknown said...: Leah- by my count it is mathematically over- with or without MI and FL- I project that Obama has a buffer of +17 without Florida and Mi- and about +2 with a fair/reasonable seating of MI and FL...in other words- Obama would need to suffer defections to lose...For the Pelosi club- keep in mind that it is much, much bigger than advertised...the Clinton's have scared anyone into being a part of it...truth be told nearly every remaining superdelegate is part of the Pelosi club...In my spreadsheet, I am projecting 25 delegates in PR, 8 in both MT and SD...and 17 additional add-ons we will get based on the states we control...to that I am counting 11 more Pelosi club members (the 7 who are listed + Brazile + Gore and Emmanuel+ Clyburn)....; May 25, 2008 6:20 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: greywolf-

It is still there.

It has been updated with a 2nd (full) video of the comment so that you can hear before and after:

http://dailykos.com/story/2008/5/25/15389/8576/115/522617

.; May 25, 2008 6:22 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: RobH-

Yep, I saw that earlier today.

I was looking for a break-down per state projection ;)

Hawaii
Montana
South Dakota
PR
Maine

But thanks anyway ;); May 25, 2008 6:26 PM
Peter said...: Re greywolf

Thats correct. You have to be really careful when you talk about statehood in PR, I think the island is divided almost evenly on that issue. I think the best thing to say, is that you think the people of PR should be able to choose. I think statehood is a difficult issue and I think its easy to make a mistake there.
It will be interesting to see how PR votes, some people think Clinton is a heavy favorite, I am not so sure. I think she will win, but not by a huge margin. But I think Obama should come back to PR this week, from what I have heard he will travel there on thursday.; May 25, 2008 6:26 PM
Yamaka said...: "And he is a gentleman, but I really feel she will stop at nothing. After all, she just can't understand why people are telling her to get out."

emma:

This is for the Nomination of the Democratic Party!

Hillary should never ever quit. She must and will take her case to the Convention.

SDs can really vote only at the Convention, before which they are legally allowed to change their minds hundred times, if they want!

The Contest is very very close. The Party is nearly evenly split in the middle, although she has more PV now.

We pull the Party to the Meaningful Middle, while BHO pulls it towards the failed Liberal Ideology of the Past. Who will win? We want to win for the sake of the Party.

For, no Far Left Carterish Dems have ever won the WH in the past 30 years!

We want to win this time.

That's why Hillary is staying in the race till the Convention.

Lioness Hillary: Give us the Order. We will come roaring to Washington DC or Denver with pitchfork and kitchen sinks to protect our Rights and our Votes.

BHO and his supporters: Stop spinning RFK Comment.

You are encouraging some lunatic to get to action. It is very very dangerous. Don't flame hatred and insanity. Your words are dangerous and show your sinister diabolical intent. Stop the nonsense, now.

Oh God, show some sense into this pathetic brains of these moronic Opportunists. They wish for a chaotic America!

:-( :-(; May 25, 2008 6:27 PM
Unknown said...: It is interesting that the Clintons were able to not only move PR from June 7 to June 1- they were also able to switch it from a caucus to a primary...that being said- I don't think we can reach the magic number before May 31- but I suspect this will be over on June 4....Obama also has at least 2 pledged delegate from HRC who have defected- so the true total is 50...

I think the ideal scenario is to have Obama win this in SD on June 3- have the pledged delegates from SD and MT push him over the top....

I suspect he will be in SD on election night out of respect for Daschle...although it does look like HRC is contesting that one a bit harder than MT...; May 25, 2008 6:31 PM
greywolf said...: HEy everyone that is a doctored up copy of the fox news interview from YouTube. I would want to see the original tap before I would believe that.; May 25, 2008 6:33 PM
RobH said...: I agree with posters here who suggest that SD announcements are being timed in such a way as to NOT have it "decided by superdelegates" before the last three contests.

I expect we'll find ourselves in a position where Obama will still be short of the necessary delegates to clinch, in advance of PR, MT, SD, but by such a number that projected pick ups in PR, MT, and SD will put him over the top.

That way, if the outcome of the RBC is an agreement to seat FL and MI with 50% penalties, AND if HRC decides to appeal that decision, she will find herself in the awkward position of seeking to appeal the rules to overturn an already "by the rules" declared victory.

It all should be VERY VERY interesting, next Saturday through Weds....; May 25, 2008 6:34 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: jcaesar91 -

The TWO pledged delegates that switched from Clinton to Obama have already been figured into the numbers here at DCW - so the number is 52.

Also, on the Obama website the number is 52 (article/post said so earlier today but their right side bar wasn't updated at the time I was there - it might be now).; May 25, 2008 6:35 PM
Yamaka said...: "Inshallah Obama will win!"

emma:

God willing, we will see the First Woman POTUS to break open the Glass Ceiling erected on women for the past 50,000 years by the Macho Men!

God Willing.; May 25, 2008 6:35 PM
RobH said...: Leah @ 6:26:

My math was:

HI 1:0
PR 25:30
MT 9:7
SD 8:7
ME 1:0

thus 44 pickups agains 52 to go.

I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but then aren't we all??; May 25, 2008 6:37 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: greywolf-

Who said it was doctored?

Watch the second video here:

http://dailykos.com/story/2008/5/25/15389/8576/115/522617

it doesn't look doctored at all and the second video down from the top is the full video of the conversation.

.; May 25, 2008 6:39 PM
greywolf said...: jcaesar91 said...
It is interesting that the Clintons were able to not only move PR from June 7 to June 1- they were also able to switch it from a caucus to a primary...that being said- I don't think we can reach the magic number before May 31- but I suspect this will be over on June 4....Obama also has at least 2 pledged delegate from HRC who have defected- so the true total is 50...

jcaesar91,

If you go to fact check .org, you will discover that PR was always a primary state from the get go. NO Caucus...the clintons had nothing to do with it.
Also PR moved their date up at the suggestion of DNC Dean because they were talking about a revote in MI and FL on 3 june.
That sir is the true skinny on that one.; May 25, 2008 6:40 PM
RobH said...: PS, all

that vid of the Fox reporter chuckling about "yeah, both if we could" is over the top. I can't believe the nature of this entire commentary: the Huckabee line, "slips" that aren't slips by HRC, her aggreived victimhood due to our "misperceptions", then this.

If Fixed News were an objective enterprise, you might expect some form of sanction. I doubt that will happen. Imus called some folks despicable names, and lost his job. This woman appears to condone or hope for an assassination of an opposing candidate. Unbelievable.

I can't wait for Olberman to address this one.; May 25, 2008 6:44 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: greywolf-

Don't be so sure about that one.

I remember hearing on the TV awhile back when they said that PR had decided to change from a caucus to a primary - I think the reason they gave was because a big turnout was expected and they thought a primary would be easier to run due to all the people.

.; May 25, 2008 6:45 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: RobH said: "that vid of the Fox reporter chuckling about "yeah, both if we could" is over the top. "

_______________________

I thought she said "both would be GOOD."

I think she was just adding OSAMA to the mix and she did not agree about oBama.

This really could be a true case of looking at something someone says wrongly.; May 25, 2008 6:49 PM
RobH said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 25, 2008 6:50 PM
RobH said...: jceasar91,

At 6:31, you wrote:

"I think the ideal scenario is to have Obama win this in SD on June 3- have the pledged delegates from SD and MT push him over the top...."

I don't mean to brag (oh screw it, yes I do) but I think if you could go back about 6 closed threads, you'd find I posted that projected outcome back in APRIL some time. Leah, back me up on this one, I think I sued some words like:

"How ironic would it be for some of the reddest of red states, MT and SD, to do the deed for him?"

Now, due to the delicacy of the "not decided by supers argument" I think it will happen exactly as predicted.; May 25, 2008 6:51 PM
Independent Voter said...: Actually, if you remember DCW reported on the Puerto Rico primary being moved up HERE.

It was a clerical error. They intended it to be on June 1.; May 25, 2008 6:55 PM
Independent Voter said...: Yam said..."God willing, we will see the First Woman POTUS to break open the Glass Ceiling erected on women for the past 50,000 years by the Macho Men!"

-------

Yam, "god" doesn't even like her. Why would "She" (god) punish the rest of us with her (Hellary) being president.; May 25, 2008 7:02 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: RobH-

To be honest I don't remember. I have slept since then ;) But I take your word for it because you are a stand up honest fella :)

I'll be back later time to tend the ribs on the grill ;)

.; May 25, 2008 7:05 PM
greywolf said...: Leah,

This is my reference on PR Primary vs Caucus.
This is a list of all caucus and primary elections/nominations.; May 25, 2008 7:06 PM
greywolf said...: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/what_is_the_difference_between_a_caucus.html; May 25, 2008 7:07 PM
greywolf said...: I am sorry but I looked for that vid interview with liz, it does not exist at the site given by leah, and the one that does play is not a steady stream, it is cut up and put back together.

Also went to fox site and there is no interview on record with Liz today; May 25, 2008 7:09 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: greywolf -

Look at the link that Independent posted above...

It says:

Monday, March 24, 2008
Puerto Rico primary change approved

We broke the news over 2 weeks ago that Puerto Rico was moving their date from June 7 to June 1, and changing from a caucus to a primary. Today the DNC approved the change. The change in date was just a clerical error - The primary was supposed to be on the first Sunday in June, and someone must have used the wrong calendar.

But why the change from a caucus to a primary?

A primary will give more voters a chance to take part in the nominating process, said Puerto Rico Democratic Chairman Roberto Prats. He said caucuses were fine in previous years, when the party nominee was already settled and the only task was to choose delegates to attend the party's national convention.

"Now it's different," Prats told the Democratic National Committee's rules panel in a conference call. "This is the first time in decades that Puerto Rico will be participating in an event of this magnitude."

Update: The changes in both date and voting method were unanimously endorsed by all
PR State Democratic Committee members, which included pro-Clinton and pro-Obama backers. This was a logistical change, not one intended to give either side an advantage.

_________________

Now I must go and cook!
Ciao ciao!

.; May 25, 2008 7:10 PM
RobH said...: Leah,

I disagree with your allowing the possibility that "This really could be a true case of looking at something someone says wrongly."

First, she was surely talking about the possibility that someone is "saing something about knockin off Os...Os....Obama, so was discussing HRC's comment. I don't know if she was dismissing the "outrage" people are expressing
but that is irrelevant. What is relevant is that, after she stumbled, she clearly said "both if we could." Even if she said "both would be good", same result. It is clear that she would either wish it ("to knock him off")("if we could") or that it would be "good."

There's nothing innocent about it, and here head tossed shrug is disgusting.; May 25, 2008 7:12 PM
RobH said...: Greywolf,

It's right on Dailkos' front page, first story in the rightmost columns.

And here's the full url:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/25/15389/8576/115/522617; May 25, 2008 7:15 PM
Independent Voter said...: greywolf,

Try this link for the video regarding Fox News' Liz Trotta; May 25, 2008 7:17 PM
greywolf said...: Oh well, if there is any truth to what is being said, heads will roll. They even posted it to Obama and Hillary. This thing is going to get real ugly, and it is a crying shame.; May 25, 2008 7:45 PM
suzihussein22 said...: emma-I haven't even tried to watch those snippets that I heard was put out by Rep. to begin with.

PR last voted against statehood in 1993.; May 25, 2008 8:15 PM
suzihussein22 said...: off topic alert-Cool!

http://tinyurl.com/4cftm6

This is one of the reasons my son has already found out what classes he needs to take in high school to major in ME in college.; May 25, 2008 8:24 PM
Joshua said...: Why do posters here engage any poster who posts Hillary’s alternate universe talking points, “popular votes?” Why do Americans celebrate mediocrity? How many times do you have to explain to the same poster that the Democratic nominee is selected on the basis of delegates? Lunacy is doing the same thing over and over again and each time expecting a different result. After 50 prior posters have failed to get a poster onto the plane of reality, why do you have to chime in again?

Makes me wanna holla.; May 25, 2008 8:32 PM
Independent Voter said...: greywolf

What do you mean by: "They even posted it to Obama and Hillary"?; May 25, 2008 8:33 PM
Independent Voter said...: softspoken,

Too bad they didn't send Hillary. At least she could be president there.; May 25, 2008 8:35 PM
suzihussein22 said...: independent voter-That was mean, but LOL laughed anyway.; May 25, 2008 8:47 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL ss; May 25, 2008 8:57 PM
Independent Voter said...: A little humor for everyone; May 25, 2008 9:14 PM
greywolf said...: Independent...

When I was reading the article re Lis Trotta while listening to the video play back.. i ran across a posting that stated a url tag was being sent to the Obama,Hillary, and several of top DNC people.; May 25, 2008 9:45 PM
greywolf said...: Sorry took a break from this.. my butt was getting tired of sitting..I dont have that much padding on my backside. 6' 169lbs.. no padding attached.. lol; May 25, 2008 9:46 PM
Aunt Jean said...: softspoken22 and here I thought that you were very nice but you are just like the rest.This is also for leah Axelrod is a fat ugly slob and needs to show Hillary some respect the AH.About it being nice that obama spoke at the Kennedy's commencement of course he did he's got to keep his brown nose brown if you know what I mean. [suck up time] LOL LOL LOL LOL Leah it seems like you drink all the time I don't have that problem thank God. Dave about God not liking Hillary God doesn't like people to make stupid remarks like that. That was totally uncalled for.

Stephen until the ugly pelosi club endorses obama has 194 thank you.

This is for the foo;s that think Hillary owes obama an apology for her remark [that was taken out of context] is crazy as a loony bird.That is so funny that anyone could come up with something that crazy. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL . She has apologized to the Kennedy's that is the only one that she needs to apologize to fools.Yoy obama are mean and judgemental.One of these days you will get punished for your sins. Remember God is watching you. Jean

One more thing; May 25, 2008 9:48 PM
Independent Voter said...: trust me greywolf, I understand 100%. 6'3" 175-180; May 25, 2008 9:48 PM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 25, 2008 9:56 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Heck might as well get into this to did weigh 120 now weigh 118 but sit on a pillow try it.Forgot my height 5'3" haha Jean

May 25, 2008 9:56 PM; May 25, 2008 9:58 PM
greywolf said...: Anut Jean...

I really dont care if Hillary appologizes to anyone.

This is what I think about it all. posted earlier but copied and pasted for you..

jethrock said...
Now she says that she “was deeply dismayed and disturbed” when people actually listened to her words??? Again… it’s all about her.

Jethrock I really dont expect her to appologize. I expect her to stand up and take responsibility for what she said and the impact her words had. She could have said it much better. She could have not said it at all, but she did for the 4th time since this race began. But with everything that has been said since, Huckabee, and the numerous death threats against obama, which she is aware of, could have just not said that or at least chosen her words much better. But it was said and she just needs to acknowledge she is the one that caused this up roar and acknowledge she could have said it differently. That is all I expect of her nothing more.; May 25, 2008 10:00 PM
Meg said...: For those of you who would rather not respond to the poster who knows what God likes, images from the Mars Lander have just come in

http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=0&cID=7; May 25, 2008 10:03 PM
greywolf said...: aunt jean...

This is also something I posted earlier today..
This was for yammers benefit..
I watched ABC this weekend report. Everything your stating is pure BS. It is nice to see that Sen Clinton supporters like to make things up as they go to see if any of it sticks. Sorry I am on to you. Your radical and distorting comments as well as those like yours from Obama side are exactly why this nomination process is turning so ugly. One day this will catch up with all of you, in some way shape or form it will catch up with you. You all need to stop this kind of activity,maybe grow a little and sit down and have a responsible, conversation about the possibilities and get away from trying to change the past or rewrite the conversations, views and points of others; May 25, 2008 10:03 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Washington Post

Clinton Camp Stokes RFK Flap by Blaming Obama

http://tinyurl.com/6rv4z2; May 25, 2008 10:05 PM
suzihussein22 said...: greywolf-I know what you mean. I'm avg weight, but have had a piece of bone taken out of my hip to transplant in my spine. That's the "skinny" on me.:)

Aunt Jean-God is watching all of us. I'll let Him say who is nice.

change v. experience-

Oscar Wilde-Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes.

That would make some of us a lot older than we think.; May 25, 2008 10:06 PM
Independent Voter said...: Jean, learn to LIGHTEN UP! You are taking things ENTIRELY too personally. You just basically called leah an alcoholic, perhaps you should try having a glass of wine to relax, it's good for you (especially red wine).

You already know I'm an atheist, therefore I have NO problem JOKING when it comes to "god".

Now with that said, why are you holding ME to a different standard than you are "Yam"? HMMMMM? Oh that's right because he supports YOUR chosen candidate.

Ya, that's what I thought! I have not ONCE heard you bitch at him for calling Obama....Osama, or calling him out on his Allah Akbar BS comments. If you are going to hold me to YOUR standard, you better be ready to call your OWN people on the same CRAP, or you will be called out as a hypocrite, and you know I have no problem speaking my mind.

Again, learn to lighten up and not take jokes about Hellary personally as an attack on you, because they are NOT.; May 25, 2008 10:07 PM
greywolf said...: aunt Jean... Just some more of my thoughts about all of this... just passing it on to you in hopes we all can stop all this bickering and do something positive as it applies to why we are her.

I think for me I am just so tired of all the media spin and hype as well as ppl twisting, distorting and out right fabricating facts to suit their own needs to feel important and relevent. This race is not about one single person, and it sure is not about the candidates. This is all about us the American people who finally have a choice to make, the possibility of a brighter future and the ability for the first time in a long time to dream of change, hope and prosperity for all of us, not just the select elite few.

Think about this. We as Americans are writting a great new piece of history. Who would have immagined 100 years ago let alone 50 25 or even 12 years ago that we as a nation would come together enough as a people to have a Female and AA male running for the most thankless, high stress, under rewarding, most demanding, nerve racking, job in the world.
I would not want to be president, you no longer have any kind of life, yet these two people have made the committment to pay the ultimat sacrifice to this country and the world should they become the next president of this country.
That my friends is history, and I am so very glad to be part of it.
Also think about this. Look at the numbers of people that are voting and becoming involved in this process. This is a very first for our country to have such a high level of involvement and support for the democratic process. This election will go down in the history books through out the world. And we as Americans regardless of who we support should be extreemly thankful that our form of government allows us to do this.
I think it is time for everyone with in the Democratic party to put aside their feelings one way or the other and unite on one front and be ready, willing and able to throw our support behind who ever gains the nomination.; May 25, 2008 10:11 PM
Meg said...: A nice person just posted this on the DCW Superdelegate Endorsements blog. 3 more SD's for Obama!!
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080525/BREAKING01/80525050; May 25, 2008 10:12 PM
suzihussein22 said...: While reading the link from Leah, this caught my eye-from the mouths of babes-

McAuliffe said Clinton is staying in the race to give hope to the millions of women who have voted for her and "she is winning races." And the

And here it is Obama has been criticized for talking about hope too much.; May 25, 2008 10:12 PM
greywolf said...: Aunt Jean is a lil bit. Meaning a little one, petite, small. Having nothing to do with anything other than your build... lol; May 25, 2008 10:14 PM
greywolf said...: hot diggity dog..49 and counting.. yeeeeehaaaaaaaaaa...; May 25, 2008 10:17 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Emma -

Woooohooooo!

See I told ya I was hoping for THREE from Hawaii today ;)

OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA!; May 25, 2008 10:22 PM
greywolf said...: Do you realize what this means...

Hillary will have to pickup delegates (any kind) at a ratio greater than 5 to 1 to catch up and pass Obama; May 25, 2008 10:28 PM
greywolf said...: I knew hard prayers and good thinking would get this through. Just have to believe there is someone or something out there that is more intune to what we need than us to make this happen.
all I can say is yeeehaaaa again; May 25, 2008 10:30 PM
Meg said...: I have been tracking the superdelegate numbers since Feb. 15.
Since then, 204 have declared. 158.5 (78%) for Obama and 45.5 (22%) for Hillary. I see no reason Yam, for the trend to change.; May 25, 2008 10:32 PM
Yamaka said...: Folks:

I want to remind you all that Hillary's Math is still intact:

(As per DCW Left Last Box)

1972 + 240 = 2212, when the Real Hurdle is 2209.

Once she maintains the hefty lead in Popular Votes by June 4, at least 240 of the outstanding 317 Ds and SDs will move en mass to her and she will be the Nominee. This could happen before the end of June in my estimation.

The Democratic Party can win the GE with Hillary as the Nominee. She has experience, complete knowledge of the awesome responsibility of the Oval Office, US Govt, and above all she has the support of a wide array of groups of Americans all across the country: Most of women, working, older, and Latino Americans.

Her support is far and wide. She will beat McCain for sure.

BHO is the least vetted, least experienced and riskiest Candidate who, for sure, will be defeated by McCain.

SDs, think hard and act fast.

God Bless Hillary, the First Woman POTUS.

:-); May 25, 2008 10:39 PM
Independent Voter said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 25, 2008 10:44 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave I really don't won't to fight with you. I've got to leave for awhile going to have dinner with beau. Talk to you all later. Jean; May 25, 2008 10:47 PM
Independent Voter said...: Have a great dinner jean.; May 25, 2008 10:48 PM
greywolf said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 25, 2008 10:49 PM
greywolf said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 25, 2008 10:51 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Yamaka said: "the First Woman POTUS."
________________

But in the case of HRC

POTUS =

'the First Woman Panderer Of The United States'

OBAMA/Kathleen Sebelius '08
OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA!; May 25, 2008 10:54 PM
RobH said...: Leah, update on the earlier math:

At this moment, HRC needs 246 delegates to clinch.
She'll win 44 in the contests of 6/1 - 6/3.
That means she needs 202 supers.
Oops. there are only 202 left as of RIGHT NOW!.

Sure can't wait for that 1st SD for Obama on Tuesday....; May 25, 2008 10:55 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: greywolf -

On the posts YOU post you will see a little trash can down next to the Date and Time. If you click on that you can delete your own comment.

If there is an offensive comment on the thread then the board administrator can delete those.; May 25, 2008 10:56 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: RobH-

What makes you think you have to wait until Tuesday?

Tomorrow is Monday and there will probably be some endorsements :)

.; May 25, 2008 10:59 PM
greywolf said...: Ahhh okay like i just did.. thanks..; May 25, 2008 11:03 PM
greywolf said...: guess it is late for most and they are turning in or doing other things now. it is getting quiet...; May 25, 2008 11:05 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL greywolf - I'm glad I caught that before you deleted it.

Promises promises....LOL; May 25, 2008 11:06 PM
vwis said...: Hey everyone: I'm back. I had decided to just become an observer, but found this and had to share it.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3998946.ece

I envision I more superdelegate endorsing shortly.; May 25, 2008 11:11 PM
Yamaka said...: "I see no reason Yam, for the trend to change."

emma:

I disagree.

Remember, when the $400 haircut endorsed BHO, people thought ALL of his Ds will move to BHO.

It did not happen. Of the remaining SDs most are Hillary leaners, IMO.

Please wait till June 4th. Most of the remaining will move en mass towards Hillary, because of her lead in the Popular Votes from ALL States, as certified by the States.

Insha Allah, Hillary will be the Nominee and the POTUS.

________________________________

Folks:

Did you see BHO stammering and stuttering at Wesleyan, CT?

He was peddling cheap hope and change and all the regular nonsense to the young grads.

I hope most of them got the message: He gives fussy speeches, but has messy character, judgment and credibility on any matter of public interests. Pastor Wright is shaking his head up and down!

Stop BHO, Now.; May 25, 2008 11:17 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: vwis-

That article was up last night before I went to bed around 3am. Today Bill and Hill has made it clear in stump speeches that she is not dropping out of the race - and they both think that she can win. And today she has tried to put the blame for her RFK remark on Obama. So as you can see there probably isn't much chance of Bill doing anything to rally the Hillary supporters around Obama.

.; May 25, 2008 11:20 PM
greywolf said...: Vwis, how do you figure.. please explain..the url you posted errored out.; May 25, 2008 11:21 PM
greywolf said...: Leah.. she was not blaming him for her remark.. she was blaming him for adding fuel to it.. i think the word she used .. inciting or something like that.... any way. The blame isall hers... no one elses.

Besides Carter says she will be done by 3 june; May 25, 2008 11:24 PM
Unknown said...: Folks- when I need inspiration- I go back and watch the 2004 democratic convention speech by BHO- as Obama girl said- he seemed to walk on air- that speech- or "the speech" as it is known will be nothing compared to the speech at the 2008 convention...I don't know about you- but I don't think there will be a dry eye in America the day the motorcade drives down Pennsylvania avenue taking BHO to the Capitol to be sworn in...; May 25, 2008 11:25 PM
Independent Voter said...: Greywolf,

Try this one; May 25, 2008 11:26 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: greywolf-

Try this tinyurl for the article that vwis is talking about:

http://tinyurl.com/6p4l3t

.; May 25, 2008 11:28 PM
Independent Voter said...: jcaesar91,

Thank you for that. ESPECIALLY the last line, "I don't think there will be a dry eye in America the day the motorcade drives down Pennsylvania avenue taking BHO to the Capitol to be sworn in"; May 25, 2008 11:28 PM
vwis said...: Leah,

I too had seen it earlier, but I had family things to do today. I also read that Hillary is saying no to quitting. However, I wonder if it would not be to the democrats advantage to play this primary out to the end. SD and MT are getting close, although still leaning Republican. If Obama's movement can register more voters there than in past elections. We may make inroads. Hillary is still in a state of denial give her time.

On the other hand, what do the bloody English know about American elections. How would they be the first to know.; May 25, 2008 11:30 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Everyone go to

www.HuffingtonPost.com

right away!

The top huge headline says:

Hillary's Latest: It's Obama's Fault

there are also THREE large photos of HRC, RFK, BHO.; May 25, 2008 11:30 PM
vwis said...: Leah, Leah, Leah,

By now you know what they say and what the do is two different worlds.

I'm just waiting to hear the fat lady sing.; May 25, 2008 11:34 PM
Independent Voter said...: vwis, they don't censor things that take place over here.

If you EVER want to know the truth about what's going on here in the US always go to news agencies outside of the US. I usually use the BBC or Australian news outlets.; May 25, 2008 11:34 PM
Independent Voter said...: This is HILLARYOUS (yes I know it is spelled hilarious - I just like the pun). She is once again calling for another debate.

LMAO, how broke is she? The ONLY time she wants to debate is when she is broke so I just have to ask, did she just loan her campaign more money? LOL; May 25, 2008 11:37 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Wow ---- regarding those photos on HuffPost:

Obama has freckles just like Robert Kennedy!

.; May 25, 2008 11:42 PM
Independent Voter said...: leah, it's funny, that look on Hillary's face is "who me?" with daggers in her eyes.; May 25, 2008 11:44 PM
greywolf said...: Try this one leah.. it was another article on the same page...

Hillary Clinton: "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it."

What a remarkably wrong-headed paragraph. The formerly inevitable Clinton got into obvious trouble for her assassination comment. (And is now trying desperately to spin her way out. Lotsa luck.) But the sentence before it is totally wrong as well, as I can tell you that the Clintons knew that they would have no trouble in the 1992 California primary.

In May 1992, I passed on a message to Bill Clinton's national campaign chairman, Los Angeles attorney Mickey Kantor, who later held two Cabinet posts in the Clinton Administration. The message? That Jerry Brown, the former California governor who emerged as Clinton's most persistent opponent, would run no TV ads in the California primary and would pull back from the sharp attacks he'd been leveling on the frontrunner.

The primary was not "in the middle of June," as Hillary said in the first part of her gross misstatement about it. It was on the first Tuesday in June, as it had been for decades to that point, on June 2nd. Clinton was way ahead in the race. There was no suspense about him getting the nomination. And Brown's decision not to run TV ads in California -- he had plenty of money for that -- and to refrain from the harsh attacks that had marked his campaign to that point made it very clear that the fight was over.; May 25, 2008 11:45 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Some interesting news about North Carolina:

The Libertarian Party needed to get 70,000 signatures on a petition drive to get on the NC ballot in the General Election. The state has certified that they got more than 72,000 valid signatures.

Today, Bob Barr received the Libertarian Party nomination. Since a lot of the Republicants of NC are very conservative, I suspect that Barr will pull a signicant per cent of Republicants of NC from McSame, especially those who supported Jesse Helms.

Mike; May 25, 2008 11:48 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Okay- in order to wallow away the time (until the nomination is official) why don't we post what the 'most unusual' events of this campaign season have been?

1. The time a few months ago when Obama was giving a stump speech and he stopped the speech and he told the audience that he had a little cold - then he wiped his nose and everyone clapped wildly!!!

2. The time that Hillary ranted on stage about waving a wand and 'the sky opening up and a celestial choir singing' I thought was hilarious!

Your turn ;); May 25, 2008 11:54 PM
greywolf said...: my only question is this... Hillary's camp claims obama is circulating a video of her comments. Is that true? How would one find out? If they are then thats a foul.. you can not say you know it was not ment to be bad.. then circulate it to stir it up. just wondering if it is true.. although i doubt it.; May 25, 2008 11:56 PM
justin said...: I am waiting for the announcement that HRC is vetting veep candidates. Would be the ultimate in refusing to see the writing on the walls.; May 25, 2008 11:56 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Independent voter-

The last article I read about Hillary's debt it said that she owed: $20,000,000+

That is 20 MILLION!; May 25, 2008 11:58 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: greywolf -

I doubt that Obama's camp is circulating a video.

All you have to do is turn on the TV and all of the news stations have been playing the video of her saying the RFK remark.

She said it in front of reporters and it was taped.

There are links to the remark on all of the news websites online also and also of course on YouTube.com; May 26, 2008 12:01 AM
greywolf said...: My most unusual.. attended an obama event.. then saw him a few weeks later at an icecream shop (michelle was there too).. asked if he had time for a chat... he stopped and talked to a few of us for almost 15 min answering all kinds of questions. He was late to his next event.

We were turned down by hillary a few days earlier she didnt have time to chat.. she was in a hurry.
Yea.. waving a wand and the celest....that was funny on one hand but on the other she was making fun of obama's dream..; May 26, 2008 12:03 AM
greywolf said...: I just dont get it .. why try to blame obama .. hell she beat the bitter thing into the ground.. for almost three weeks...
what is she fussing about.. talking about fair play...
there is an old saying what comes around goes around...; May 26, 2008 12:05 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Justin said: "I am waiting for the announcement that HRC is vetting veep candidates. Would be the ultimate in refusing to see the writing on the walls."
___________________

Justin-

At this point in time if I were a Senator or a Governor I would not want my name to be mentioned on her 'short list'. I wouldn't want to be tied that closely to a sinking ship!; May 26, 2008 12:05 AM
Independent Voter said...: leah, ya I know the last I heard was $20+million also, however the ONLY time she EVER "demands" or brings up debates is when she is flat a$$ broke. So she must have loaned her campaign even more money. The fund-raising must have dried up again.; May 26, 2008 12:07 AM
suzihussein22 said...: Leah-
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=2008

That one is HRC's-ladies' first

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cid=N00009638&cycle=2008

This one is Obama's.; May 26, 2008 12:07 AM
Independent Voter said...: Greywolf - "I just dont get it .. why try to blame obama .. hell she beat the bitter thing into the ground.. for almost three weeks...
what is she fussing about.. talking about fair play...
there is an old saying what comes around goes around..."

--------

I hear ya, I'm right there with ya. Better watch it - you're going to be accused of being a sexist now.

Talking about those lashes...LOL; May 26, 2008 12:09 AM
greywolf said...: It is ironic that she was trying to draw a parady between her staying in the the race till june her husband and kennedy.. but she got her facts wrong on that too.; May 26, 2008 12:09 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: greywolf-

That is wonderful that you had the opportunity to be there in the right place at the right time! What a great memory to be able to have :)

OBAMA '08; May 26, 2008 12:10 AM
justin said...: To hear some tell it, there are 240 SDs just waiting to support the captain of the sinking ship. There must be someone who would want the #2 position on a keep-dreaming ticket; May 26, 2008 12:14 AM
greywolf said...: Not a sexist.. was raised by my mom, and had 3 sisters.. but thats not the point..I would gladly vote a female in office if her politcs and the way she conducts her daily business of running a campaign agreed with me. Never about race, gender or age for me.. its about their ability to sell me on themselves. Can you impress me beyond your competition.

you dont even have to have foreign policy experience in my book.. because i know how it really works in the WH. I was a counter intel type for 5 years in the Army.. I know about all those beiefings they go through before being sworn in.; May 26, 2008 12:15 AM
greywolf said...: it was great leah.. his wife is just as dynamic as he it.. they would make a great white house #1 and #2 . I was very impressed with both of them.; May 26, 2008 12:16 AM
Yamaka said...: Hello Folks:

How is BARack Hussein Bin Obama doing in PR?

I think there will be another blowout for Hillary on June 1.

She will add another 200 K to the Popular Vote Lead.

BHO keeps spending tons of money! But nothing happens!!

Stop BHO Now!; May 26, 2008 12:19 AM
justin said...: Too bad the charges of -isms had to spring up. Seems that some would rather claim they are being picked on for something they can't change.

This dismisses any favorable reasons I made my choice.; May 26, 2008 12:21 AM
justin said...: Cool to hear 1st hand how Barack and Michelle are. Officially jealous; May 26, 2008 12:25 AM
suzihussein22 said...: Y-Blowout may not be the best way to describe what will happen in June. You might want to find a more appropriate expression to blog for your candidate of choice.

blowout-a sudden malfunction of a part or apparatus; "the right front tire had a blowout"; "as a result of the blowout we lost all the lights"; May 26, 2008 12:25 AM
greywolf said...: oh I know that.. was just saying that for the benefit of those other ones out there that just dont know when to say when..; May 26, 2008 12:26 AM
vwis said...: Leah,

Instead of wallowing the time, why don't we discuss things like what Obama needs in a VP or other ideas like dealing with China and other third world nations emerging in the industrial age, nuclear proliferation, etc. There are things left to discuss no matter who the candidate is.

I too like the ring of Obama\Lincoln 08. However, the argument to any woman will be, Why not Hillary. Right now, she has not fully dealt with the death of her campaign and is still in denial. It explains her erratic behavior. She would need to heal first and even then she is not the agent of change that Obama is supporting. Also, to the RNC it would show weakness that he bows to the Clintons.

He also could use a older male with military background. One who is able to deliver blows to McCains regarding foreign policy and military experience. It would be good to be a Southerner. He may help deliver some Southern States. People vote for leaders coming out of their state. Jim Webb would be good, but needs more Washington experience. Usually a Senator picks a Governor as his running mate. Obama may be better with someone from Washington, because he has more experience at the state level.
One I saw mentioned was Larry Cohen. Let's brainstorm.

Also, let's discuss reforming the DNC primary election process and how to improve it without just making it more complicated. Not that we can change it, but maybe someone who can will glean something from our ideas.; May 26, 2008 12:26 AM
Independent Voter said...: I hear ya greywolf.

By the way, my partner and I used to have two dogs. Both were greywolf hybrids. :); May 26, 2008 12:28 AM
suzihussein22 said...: graywolf-Thanks for the first hand accounts of the candidates.; May 26, 2008 12:29 AM
greywolf said...: ive been around the block quite a few times.. will be 57 soon.. so it doesnt take much to disappoint me but it takes one hell of a lot to impress me.

I can tell you from talking to both of then.. these two people are NOT blowing any smoke.. you can tell from their eyes.. and body language....they truly believe in what they are saying and the truly plan to do all they say to the best of their ability.. that is what sold me..; May 26, 2008 12:31 AM
Independent Voter said...: vwis, - "She would need to heal first and even then she is not the agent of change that Obama is supporting."

-----

Just like "Obama could possibly be ready by August to be CIC", perhaps she will be ready for VP by then or perhaps she will find her voice, AGAIN!?!?!; May 26, 2008 12:32 AM
greywolf said...: your very welcome soft and everyone else.. these are just two very dynamic people..; May 26, 2008 12:32 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: softspoken22-

The one on Hillary looks pretty close.

The site says for Hillary - Self Financing $10 Million, but she has actually loaned herself $11.4 that I have heard of, and that figure might even be higher now.; May 26, 2008 12:32 AM
justin said...: For veep, seems to me that an answer to McCain may not add a whole lot. Especially if the answer is to try to out-McCain him (ie an older veteran of the services and veteran of Washington).; May 26, 2008 12:34 AM
greywolf said...: I would love to see Powell on the ticket with Obama... talking about military and foreign experience.. this man is a book of knowledge. also very good national front too..; May 26, 2008 12:35 AM
suzihussein22 said...: independent voter-Cool! Some friends of ours had a wolf hybrid that would not let me near some lambs until she saw I had bottles to feed them. Talk about caring and protective! Have you seen the Discovery Channel documentary on Living with Wolves? We have it on DVD. Sorry I'm getting off topic.; May 26, 2008 12:35 AM
Independent Voter said...: vwis - He should not pick Webb for a few reasons.

We don't want any new vacancies in the Senate (at least no Democratic seats).

Second, some of Webb's earlier "fictional" work would NOT fly on a national scale. He has written a few books, and some of the scenes outlined in those books would send Christians out in droves to vote against the ticket regardless of the context of the passages.; May 26, 2008 12:36 AM
greywolf said...: didnt know if you got this one

ive been around the block quite a few times.. will be 57 soon.. so it doesnt take much to disappoint me but it takes one hell of a lot to impress me.

I can tell you from talking to both of then.. these two people are NOT blowing any smoke.. you can tell from their eyes.. and body language....they truly believe in what they are saying and the truly plan to do all they say to the best of their ability.. that is what sold me..

May 26, 2008 12:31 AM; May 26, 2008 12:38 AM
suzihussein22 said...: L T40-I hadn't noticed that detail. I'v heard $11.4 also. I'm just exited about so many individual contributors, many for the first time.; May 26, 2008 12:39 AM
greywolf said...: well im out of here..time to get into the shower and ready for the night.. early day tomorrow.. have a great nite everyone.. see ya all later..; May 26, 2008 12:40 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: softenspoken said: "blowout-a sudden malfunction of a part or apparatus; "the right front tire had a blowout"; "as a result of the blowout we lost all the lights"
______________________

LOL - blowout is the right word for Hillary June 3rd. Turn out the lights, the party's over!

________________________

vwis-

There is a thread on the front page of this website titled: VP OPEN THREAD. Everyone talked for a couple of days about VP choices.

I'm getting tired so I'm just going to listen to ya'll for awhile ;); May 26, 2008 12:40 AM
vwis said...: independent voter:

You need to read some of my earlier posts to understand that I am very tongue in cheek. The use of the wordy bloody should have been a clue.

Mind you I do get serious sometimes. Who was it that said I reminded him of Linda Bloodsworth-Thomson.

I am not one to slam others, most of the time. As Jean and Yamaka will attest. I prefer to provoke thought than to have all the answers.; May 26, 2008 12:40 AM
Clemens said...: Obama VP candidates

How about Sam Nunn, Anthony Zinni or James Webb?; May 26, 2008 12:41 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Someone above was Yammering:
I think there will be another blowout for Hillary on June 1.

She will add another 200 K to the Popular Vote Lead.

I invite that (and I use this noun loosely) person to read the information here:
http://tinyurl.com/592edd

It very well could be a blow-out, but many are saying that it would not be surprising if there is a blow-out, it could be in the opposite direction from what the 'conventional wisdom' says it will be. Most are predicting a very close race.

Besides, even if Senator Clinton gets 60% of the vote, she'll only 31 of Puerto Rico's 55 pledged delegates, leaving 24 for Senator Obama. Since this is a delegate race, that's just a seven delegate vote difference.

And the popular vote? Makes not a whit of difference after the delegate breakdown is determined. The Superdelegates know that, even if the candidate and her misinformed supporters don't.

Mike; May 26, 2008 12:43 AM
Independent Voter said...: ss - no I haven't seen it, but yes they were great dogs. They were 50/50 hybrids. But NOT real protective, they would have licked anyone to death more than anything else.

greywolf - I too would like to see Colin Powell on the ticket, but I don't think he would take it. I could totally see him on Joint Chiefs of Staff or back on as SoS.

Another person I've though alot about being a running mate is former Republican turned Independent Senator Lincoln Chafee. The ONLY reason he lost his reelection bid in 2006 was because of the R behind his name. He mostly sided with the Dems and was the ONLY Republican Senator that voted against the Iraq war.; May 26, 2008 12:43 AM
suzihussein22 said...: greywolf-I really appreciate your wisdom. I promise that's not a code word for old! :) I have some family that will be 80 this year. They are Rep. who will not vote for McCain for most of the same reasons you are giving. They are very clear-minded and could reason circles around McCain. They also believe we have less excuse to be in Iraq than we did Vietnam. One was on standby in the Army to go to Korea.; May 26, 2008 12:44 AM
Independent Voter said...: goodnight gwolf; May 26, 2008 12:46 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Here's the link to the

OPEN THREAD - VP EDITION

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/open-thread-vp-edition.html

there are 249 comments there and some really good posts PRO and CON for all sorts of possibilities.; May 26, 2008 12:46 AM

«Oldest ‹Older 1801 – 2000 of 4317 Newer› Newest»

Welcome to Democratic Convention Watch

Blog Archive

Democratic Convention 2008

Democratic National Convention History

Denver & Colorado Democrats

DCW in the News

Friends of DCW

2008 Republican National Convention

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

Open Thread

4317 comments:

Tags