Democratic Convention Watch: Open Thread

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

Open Thread

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tmess2 said...: Actually to correct another factual misstatement by our favorite erroneous poster, the Republicans DO NOT follow the General Election rules in choosing a presidential candidate -- they defer to state's rights. Unlike the Democratic Party in which state how many delegates are elected at the state level and how many are elected at the district level and require the use of the proportionality rule, the Republican Party merely distributes the delegates to the states and then lets the states choose the rules.

What that means in practice is that:

1) In states like Montana, there is no election and all the delegates are chosen by county committee people;

2) In states like New Hampshire, the delegates are allocated proportionately;

3) In states like Texas and California, some delegates go to the statewide winner and some go to the winner in each district;

4) In states like Alabama, majority takes all at the district level and proportionality is used at the state level;

5) In states like Arizona, Florida, and New York, winner takes all;

6) In states like Pennsylvania and Illinois, the votes for President don't count and people vote directly for the delegates; and

7) In states like Iowa, each delegate at the state convention is free to make up his/her own rules.

While I am sure that some repairs could be done to problems in our rules, they certainly are fairer and more consistent than the rules used in the other party.; May 24, 2008 9:43 PM
Yamaka said...: gator:

I like your insight.

You know how politicians think and act!

Cheers.

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jp:

Although I hate Dubya, Rummy, Condi, Wolfy and the Neocons, I have respect for McCain.

That's why when the FAR LEFT Liberals call him McSame and McBush I get irritated.

He has served the country very well. He is a National Hero.

To meet him the Dems need another experienced well recognized Nominee like Clinton in the Fall.

Novice Lightweight BHO is NOT the appropriate candidate IMO.

If he is the Nominee, most women group will go on "Stop Obama" Protest, as per ABC Evening News.
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Jay:

Please don't worry about me.

I am a multi-tasker; I don't blog if I don't do another serious work!

Doing just blogging alone is wasteful, I agree.

Please find an Echo Chamber or a Choir and keep reciting

"OOOOOoooobbbbbaaaaaaaaaaamamammam"

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Mike:

I know you are an expert in US Politics, Economy, Society and Human Development... Dr. Know-it-all.

I believe following the GE Methodology is the most prudent way to do in the Primary.

One may work to change/improve the GEM. That's another issue for another time!

Now, the Dem will lose the GE if a Minority Candidate is nominated because of the funny useless Rules, IMO.

Stay tuned.

Obama train will go back to Hyde Park very very soon.; May 24, 2008 9:46 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Yakama said: "Obama train will go back to Hyde Park..."
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Poor dear Yakama, you can't even get that one correct. Senator Obama does NOT live in Hyde Park - he lives in KENWOOD.

*; May 24, 2008 10:05 PM
apissedant said...: McCain... the man who doesn't want to give veterans more money, because then they could afford to actually leave the service. He wants them to have no money and no prospects, so they're trapped spending their whole life in the military, whether they like it or not. Yup, that's compassion and integrity.; May 24, 2008 10:07 PM
Meg said...: Yam:

Please explain how being a war hero qualifies you to be president. We admire McCain for surviving as a POW, but I don't see the correlation between that and having the sound judgment necessary to be president.; May 24, 2008 10:07 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Hey everyone I'm backkkkkkkk!! Have you missed meeeeeeeeee. You might as well say yes because I know you have. LOL LOL LOL To all the nice Obama supporters [even though I think you are wrong in supporting him] How have you been.Hope life has been kind since I've been here last. AS far as the rude, mean and think they know everything obama supporters It's been really nice not reading your ugle posts. Jean; May 24, 2008 11:00 PM
Independent Voter said...: Leah, you're falling behind. I'll let you announce the good news coming out of Alaska.; May 24, 2008 11:06 PM
greywolf said...: I think we should just make the next nomination and election very simple. Party nomination and national election. Two days set aside one for each, everyone votes the same day, and the winner is the one with the popular vote. No numbers released until the last polling station closes. Then let the flood gates open and may the best person win by popular vote.; May 24, 2008 11:16 PM
tmess2 said...: Do the Clinton folks know how to run a campaign? They have now lost 2 real and 2 estimated pledged delegates in the past two weeks. The two real they lost because they didn't use their right of review properly to assure loyal supporters got the delegate slots. The two estimated they lost because they can't seem to get their people to the state convention.

There are two big state conventions over the next two weekends. If Clinton again has 10% of her delegation missing, she could lose another estimated delegate or two in Maine. The weekend after that you have Texas where the same absenteeism could cost her four or five estimated delegates.; May 24, 2008 11:16 PM
greywolf said...: Aunt Jean

There is nothing wrong with Hillary or Obama supporters. Each has chosen their candidate based upon what they think and see as best qualified. Thats why it is a nomination and election. I personally do not like hillary for my own personal reasons and you obviously dont like Obama for your own personal reasons. But at least it appears to me you are accepting the fact that Hillary will lose so that is a good thing. I just hope the party unites behind who ever the winner is.; May 24, 2008 11:19 PM
Joshua said...: Here’s a guarantee: HRC can and will go lower. When HRC campaign leaked Obama’s kindergarten writing about wanting to be President, I thought they were desperate and silly. When Mark Penn dropped the word of teenage drug use during an interview on MSNBC, it surprised me that they took a low road. Then they brought out Johnson of BET and he pranced on stage talking about “you know who and you know what in the neighborhood,” I thought that they couldn’t go any lower. Then Bill Clinton started talking about fairy tale. Then I wondered how much lower can they go? Then came Bill’s dismissal of Obama’s candidacy as another Jesse Jackson. Then I got very angry. At that point I stopped liking Bill and started hating him.

Then I heard of the email Muslim smear. Then came the leak of photos to Matt Drudge. I was sure they had hit bottom. Then HRC stated on 60 Minutes: “Obama is a Christian… as far as I know.”

Then came: “vote for me I am a woman. If you don’t vote for me you are a sexist.” Geraldine Ferraro emphatically explained that their candidacy was totally based on identity, and not on ideas or on policy.

Then they went lower with: “Hispanic will vote for me and not vote for you.” and “I would have left Jeremiah Wright’s Church.” At that point I decided there was no limit as to how low HRC would go. I decided that nothing else she will do or say will surprise me.

Then came: “Important general election big states voted for me,” right after Ed Rendell’s “Pennsylvanians will not vote for a black candidate.” I thought that was the bottom. I was wrong. Hillary herself then stated unambiguously and clearly, “Hard-working Americans, white Americans, prefer me.” This is only a full-throated clarification of Bill Clinton’s February statements of “Only people who do not need a president vote for Obama.”

I thought that was the lowest. I was wrong. Now HRC has officially stated that she remains in the race knowing that she has no chance except another Bobby Kennedy June tragedy. That statement tells me that she can and will go lower. Yet.; May 24, 2008 11:20 PM
greywolf said...: Mike wow you sound bitter. Are you clinging to your religion and gun. Lololololol Just kidding, I feel the same way. The whole process, the kitchen sink has not worked but who knows what will spew from her lips next. It doesnt matter any more, the election is no longer in our hands, so I cling to my religion and pray like hell. Obama will win if he is ment to win, but if the does not because the DNC hands it to her, there are about 30 lawyers here in Oregon that will file lawsuits against the DNC.

BTW what happened in ALaska any way?; May 24, 2008 11:28 PM
greywolf said...: so Obama got another from Alaska. Good, now it is down to 52 and counting. GO OBAMA!!!!!!!; May 24, 2008 11:31 PM
suzihussein22 said...: jpsedona-registered Dem.-abc-PA has 4 million-on OR live.com-OR has 827,000 and we now outnumber registered Rep. in 2 critical swing counties.

You may want to contact the Dem. nat. website and ask for info. I looked at my TN Dem. website but couldn't find the numbers. Maybe we could all contact our states' Dem. websites? I'll leave a message @ Bart Gordon's office also. This is a very exciting time.; May 24, 2008 11:34 PM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 24, 2008 11:34 PM
Independent Voter said...: greywolf, the woman really makes some of us want to go out an buy guns to cling to. LOL

I use to own one, but never used it so I figured, why do I need one? Now I know I should have kept it so I could cling to it.

LIGHTEN UP, I'm just kidding.; May 24, 2008 11:37 PM
Independent Voter said...: softspoken check the Secretary of State website or Registrar of Voters. They usually have the numbers based on party.; May 24, 2008 11:39 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike you go to far that is such BS I'm not even going to comment because it's not worth it.The lenghts that obama supporters will go to is not only a shame it's unamerican! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL You are so funny.Sounds like you are jealous of the Clintons!!!!!You know obama is if by some chance he steals the race he will LOSE!!!!!! Now that's FUNNY AS HECK!!!!!Jean; May 24, 2008 11:41 PM
tmess2 said...: A little side thought project -- if we were changing the rules to get a better general election candidate, how would we do it?

Right now as noted by a post above neither party does actually uses general election methodology in splitting delegates between candidates, but the two parties are even worse when it comes to allocating parties to the states.

On the Democratic side, the number of pledged delegates each state gets is a percentage of the total pledged delegates (excluding the territories) that roughly equals the average of that state's percentage of the democratic vote over the last three presidential elections and that state's percentage of the total electoral vote. In other words, it gives slightly more delegates to the very blue states and the more populous states and slightly less delegates to the very red states and the very small states than the electoral vote does.

On the Republican side, each state gets three delegates per Representative and five delegates per Senator (which favors the smaller states). Each state also gets bonus delegates for electing a Republican governor or Republican Senators or Republican majorities in the Congressional or state house delegations. While favoring red states, these bonuses favor smaller states over larger states. Finally, there is a bonus that gives each state 3.5 (or 4.5 I forget which) and 60% of its electoral vote for voting Republican in the last presidential election (again a rule that favors red states but also favors small red states over large red states).

The question -- how would you change the rules for awarding delegates to states that would emphasize the swing states rather than the safe states?; May 24, 2008 11:41 PM
greywolf said...: Oregon has done a great job this year increasing their democratic numbers vs republicans. Oregon is a given come the general nomination as going democratic this year. I dont care what the media says. Nor do I care what all those polls say. The party will unite enought to keep the republicans out of office this year. The media spin has been pretty bad to say the least.

Mike.

What did it for me as far as Hillary is concerned. I am a 56 year old, white blue collar worker, that is also retired US Army with + 21 yrs, active duty. Her Bosnia mess.... damn it you never forget being shot at and having to run, dodging bulletts. For me she verbally spat at all those that did die dodging those real live bullets in Nam. Once it has happened you will never confuse the reality of it happening. Her explanation was crap in my book... that is what cost her my vote as the straw that broke the camels back so to speak.; May 24, 2008 11:42 PM
Anonymous said...: tmess said:
North Korea is probably not the best analogy for Michigan. Russia probably is.

Perhaps. But someone here likes to refer to Barack Obama as "Manchurian".

Now we also have a North Korean candidate: Kim Jong Hil.; May 24, 2008 11:45 PM
greywolf said...: forget the delegates.. the whole process should go to popular vote. NOTHING BUT POPULAR VOTE, Who ever has the hightest numbers win. What you do is you do not release any numbers until the last polling station has closed that day. Everyone votes the same day, and no numbers released until the last station is closed. Then let the flood gates open. Elections should be for the people by the people and they should have the say, but popular vote.; May 24, 2008 11:46 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Greywolf about the lawyers what are they going to do scream discrimination not that would be unbelievable. More so when obama supporters say this race isn't based on him having AA blood. LOL LOL LOL LOL Jean; May 24, 2008 11:48 PM
greywolf said...: Actually there is no analogy for Florida or Michigan. Other than they screwed up and in doing so screwed their people, and created nothing but a cluster..
Of course Hillary has also created a greater cluster by yelling sexism and now having her supporters form demonstrations to have those two states seated. The woman is unpredictably predictable.; May 24, 2008 11:51 PM
Aunt Jean said...: People should really quit comparing obama to the kennedy's. It's quite insulting he's nowhere near the caliber of the men of that family! Jean; May 24, 2008 11:57 PM
Yamaka said...: "Then Bill Clinton started talking about fairy tale. Then I wondered how much lower can they go? Then came Bill’s dismissal of Obama’s candidacy as another Jesse Jackson."

Perfectly accurate statements. No harm intended. Nothing derogatory here.

Jesse is the Son of Black American Soil and the Civil Right Movement. He got nearly the same % of votes in SC against Gore, as BHO. HRC got more votes than Gore against BHO!! Simple historical facts!!!

BHO is a carpetbagger!! No sweat, but gets too much reward!!!

How is Jesse inferior to BHO, anyway?

Only for those suffering from paranoid hallucination, such statements would sound wrong or mean spirited, like the recent RFK Statement by HRC. They are very simple innocuous words:

To your eyes, a simple rope would look like a live snake! Paranoia!!

Come to my Clinic - I will treat you free!!

Your Minority Candidate CANNOT win against McCain, even if he manages to snatch the Nomination, for sure!
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BHO Supporters:

BHO lives in Kenwood Ave., has a Campaign Office at Greenwood Ave, both are located in Hyde Park where Univ of Chicago, and its Hospitals are located. He was a Lecturer there and Michelle works at UC Hospitals, their kids go to UC Prep School, all in Hyde Park.

Hyde Park stretches between 47 st to 61st St (N to S) and Washington Park to the West and Lake Michigan to the East.

I was in the Pritzker School of Medicine at U of C for 5 years.

I know what I am talking about, like other subject matters.

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News Flash...............

Progressive Men join the Groups...

Most Women Groups are activating their Base to come with pitchforks and kitchen sinks to Denver if the RBC Meeting favors the Minority Candidate!

Alexis Herman is being watched carefully.

Donna Brazile is followed carefully.

Any malpractice will be dealt with very seriously at Denver.

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Emma:

BHO just spent hardly 6 months in Washington DC, before he announced his Campaign.

He has barely any understanding of how the Federal Govt works! (Read his Springfield Speech - he raised the doubt himself!)

His judgment will be poorer than anybody in the Senate, IMO.

Wright's episode explained to me how poor his character, judgment and credibility are!!

He is NOT a Presidential Timber.

Maybe, in about 8-12 years! Not Now.
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Nominate Hillary Now. Stop the Minority Candidate!

:-); May 24, 2008 11:57 PM
greywolf said...: Aunt Jean said...
Greywolf about the lawyers what are they going to do scream discrimination not that would be unbelievable. More so when obama supporters say this race isn't based on him having AA blood. LOL LOL LOL LOL Jean

No auntie, the law suit will be based upon the fact that the DNC (Dean was not presiding then) established a set of rules and sanctions against fl and mi. Which all candidates signed on and accepted as the established rules and criteria for the democratic nomination. If they change the rules in the last qtr because one candidate who stated numerous times in the beginning that they would not count now screams and cries foul play, thus forcing a change of the rules to suit her, the whole process become questionable and invalid. As the rules were established from the beginning, and those original rules should be the determining factor. Obama has not once called racism, nor has he used his race as a factor once, he is an american first, an african american second. I have actually had the opportunity to talk to him one on one here in oregon, the man is more than any one gives him credit for. More simple and basic than most realize or know.; May 24, 2008 11:58 PM
greywolf said...: Hey auntjean... it was ted kennedy that stated on the record that Obama reminds him of his brother JFK. Check it out for yourself.; May 25, 2008 12:00 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Yamaka how are things going for you I still read all your post and can find a wealth of info in them. Keep it up. Your fellow clinton supporter Jean; May 25, 2008 12:02 AM
Oregon Dem said...: Softspoken:

Each of us canprobably easily find out exactly what the Obama registration drives have done for the democratic party in our states.

In Oregon

January: 764,000Dems 688,000Repubs

April: 869,000Dems 677,000Repubs

Now that is amazing numbers; May 25, 2008 12:04 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Greywolf he must not remember his brother very much.Sorry I haven't heard him say that.Sometimes age does that. [no pun intended] Jean; May 25, 2008 12:05 AM
greywolf said...: By the way, when asked if she had a few moments to chat, Hillary blew us off. She said She was too busy and didnt have time. Where as obama when asked if he had a few moments to talk he stopped and talked openly. Obama was late to his next event but he took the time any way. That speaks for it's self and speaks volumes as to the candidates.; May 25, 2008 12:05 AM
Oregon Dem said...: Oh and I forgot to mention - the easiest place to get them is from your state elections division website.; May 25, 2008 12:06 AM
JayW said...: This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.; May 25, 2008 12:08 AM
greywolf said...: Yes Oregons increase in voting/registered democrats this year was awsome. It was great to have been part of that and to see the numbers change. Oregon will be a democratic state this year for sure. Oregon, actually is very progressive in that they look at the candidates and not the party. If necessary they change parties to vote the candidate of their choice. Primaries here are close and the general is open; May 25, 2008 12:09 AM
suzihussein22 said...: independent voter-Thank you.

Why couldn't future primaries be held at one time and just count popular vote? Then there would be the question of what to do if there were a sizable number of uncommitted votes. The not releasing info until the polls are closed is a good idea too.; May 25, 2008 12:12 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Greywolf you are so full of BS if obama hasn't used the race card with the help of the media. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL. Also He broke the rules when he had a ad on TV. He only asked one DNC member someone from South Carolina [who is an obama endorser] [go figure why she would say that it was ok].So I guess him saying that he was ashamed of the white blood in him was not a racist remark come on get real!!!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL Jean p.s. About being ashamed of the white blood he said that when he was in school but still said it. Makes me wonder if he still feels that way.; May 25, 2008 12:13 AM
JayW said...: Aunt Jean... we missed you!!!

Now why dont you go away again?

Come back when you cant stay so long.; May 25, 2008 12:15 AM
JayW said...: This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.; May 25, 2008 12:16 AM
suzihussein22 said...: OR Dem-Thank you.

JayW strikes again.; May 25, 2008 12:16 AM
greywolf said...: softspoken22 said...
independent voter-Thank you.

Why couldn't future primaries be held at one time and just count popular vote? Then there would be the question of what to do if there were a sizable number of uncommitted votes. The not releasing info until the polls are closed is a good idea too

Those uncommitted votes would remain just that. Not committed to one or the other. There is no way there would be a tie. Thus if the popular vote spread was as small as 10 there is still a winner by 10 and no one could complain. No delegates to worry about, no partitions or proportions to worry about. A smiple down the line vote and every vote counting as voted.; May 25, 2008 12:17 AM
Independent Voter said...: Aunt Jean - I still love how you refer to Obama as stealing the nomination.

The fact is YOUR candidate SCREWED up, time after time. She has done this to herself. HER campaign staff are the ones who set up the rules - Terry MacAullife, Harold Ickes, etc. Yet when those rules on MI and FL didn't benefit her, then the rules are unfair.

Clinton has lost ANOTHER pledged delegate today which Obama gained that delegate because her state convention delegates failed to show up.

How is that Obama's fault if her people aren't staying with her?; May 25, 2008 12:18 AM
Oregon Dem said...: where are you from greywolf?; May 25, 2008 12:19 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave the media has been bashing Hillary for months now. Anything and everything that she says they put a big spin on it and make a [MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING]!I hope she does something about those PD's because she can so I'm sure she will. I wonder if there is foul play in there somewhere? [sounds like it to me]Jean; May 25, 2008 12:23 AM
Yousri said...: JayW,
This note in on the top of this page!

"And please be excellent to one another. We do not accept name calling or any attacks on our commenters. Any objectionable comments will be deleted. Try to be civil."; May 25, 2008 12:24 AM
suzihussein22 said...: Aunt Jean-Why does HRC have women's rallies during her campaigning? Isn't she supposed to be reaching out to every US citizen, not just one "demographic"?; May 25, 2008 12:26 AM
greywolf said...: Ant Jean... and Iuse the word ant..because of the obvious size of the mental capacity.

for one, the media is the one that spun the race, gender, age, socioeconomic and educational cards.
two.. check the records.. Obama actually went to the DNC when it was learned that any media. coverage in the South east us included northern Florida. If you were to advertise in GA, AL, east MS,SC and southern NC there was an unavoidable bleedover of media into Northern florida. It has to do with the cable channels availability throughout the SE. It is obvious you do not understand media advertisements and how it works. You can not do a mass media advertise in the south east us without those states being included. example If you wanted to do a mass media blitz in GA you would bleed over into those other states like it or not because of the TV cable system. Just as it is here in Oregon a mass media blitz in this state would also cover northern calif, southern wash and Idaho like it or not it is the cable system. Media coverage I know.; May 25, 2008 12:27 AM
justin said...: Hi all,
Been reading for a while, wife thinks I might have a problem. Still, I think I follow so close for 2 reasons: 1) my team is winning, and 2) I have a small worry the rules will be changed to a degree I don't recognize the game anymore.

Have learned a lot from many of you; have even laughed.

Wanted to point out a number that troubles me. The popular vote argument (RealClearPolitics) has Clinton over Obama in 2 cases, with FL and MI; and w/FL, MI, IA, NV, ME, WA. If we are counting ALL votes then only the last can be reasonable, notwithstanding some valuable arguments about FL and MI not truly reflecting reality.

Still if we have HRC over BHO at 17,648,299 to 17,592,320 this leaves an advantage of just under 56K. We are left to deal with MI, where 238,000 voters voted against HRC. Lets say that they are evenly split amongst 4 candidates (a real stretch). Then 59,542 votes go to each of 4, and BHO leads in EVRY single metric.

I have voted once (caucus, 1st time ever) for BHO. I will vote again via donation. I will vote the 3rd time to send him to WH.

Best to all,
Justin; May 25, 2008 12:27 AM
greywolf said...: softspoken22 said...
Aunt Jean-Why does HRC have women's rallies during her campaigning? Isn't she supposed to be reaching out to every US citizen, not just one "demographic"?

Good point soft... she has had rallies just for women. Had Obama held rallies just for those that were 1/2 American/AA, he would have been labeled racist. Guess that makes her a sexist?; May 25, 2008 12:29 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Someone Yammered above BHO lives in Kenwood Ave., has a Campaign Office at Greenwood Ave, both are located in Hyde Park

A few things in error in the statement:

1. Lives IN Kenwood Ave.?

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

2. The City of Chicago has 77 well-defined, city-recognized, community areas. The official community areas were defined in the early 20th century. Some people, in current usage, say that the area between 47th Street and 51st Street ("E. Hyde Park Blvd.") is a part of Hyde Park, although this area is officially the south half of the official Kenwood neighborhood.

According to Wikipedia, "Today, the name Hyde Park is officially applied to the neighborhood from 51st Street ("Hyde Park Blvd.") to the neighborhood around Midway Plaisance Blvd. or simply "The Midway" (between 59th and 60th). The neighborhood's eastern boundary is Lake Michigan and its western boundary is Washington Park.

Some consider Hyde Park to include the area between 47th and 51st Streets ("E. Hyde Park Blvd."), although this area is actually the south half of the Kenwood neighborhood. More often, the area encompassing Hyde Park and South Kenwood is referred to as 'Hyde Park-Kenwood.' "

This is the same improper usage as those people in Montgomery County Maryland who formerly used a 202 area code (Washington, DC), instead of the proper, Maryland, 301 area code. Some of the people of Bethesda and Chevy Chase, Maryland also used the far Northwest DC Zip Code of 20008, giving the impression that they lived in DC, not in Maryland.

It looks like the Yammering Yamakamikaze actually did a tiny bit of research, but stopped as soon as he found some favorable info, and didn't confirm that it was true and accurate.

Looks like the Yammering fool has been BUSTED with telling half-truths AGAIN.

Mike; May 25, 2008 12:29 AM
Aunt Jean said...: softspoken22 I've never seen just women at her rallys so I really don't know what you are talking about. Unless that time that she spoke at a [think but could be wrong] a womens convention or something to that effect. Like I said i could be wrong.There is so many things that I read about it's hard to keep up with everything and keep me on track. Jean; May 25, 2008 12:31 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 25, 2008 12:32 AM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Hi Justin

Good Job & Good Choice

I for one think you have to divide Mich a bit differently. Only Clinton and Obama would have been in the race when Mich could legally hold their primary, so let her have the votes that were hers, and Obama gets the rest.

But the bottom line is - Popular Vote isn't any measure used for electing the nominee. Only the delegate count matters. Until or unless the DNC changes it's current rules, Obama only needs 52 more to secure the nomination.

;o); May 25, 2008 12:33 AM
greywolf said...: Im in Eugene...; May 25, 2008 12:34 AM
greywolf said...: Leah said...
Independent Dem-

Yep, I wasn't here when the good news came out ;(

Hillary has lost 1 and Obama gained one from Alaska when GP updated AND Obama picked up the Alaska add-on.

So far today:

Obama: +3 add-ons plus one
Clinton: +1 and minus one = net ZERO

in other words:

Obama +4
Clinton ZERO

Total number of delegates now needed to secure the nomination under the current DNC rules:

OBAMA 52
Clinton 244

Please explain this one Leah.. I am not sure i get it.; May 25, 2008 12:35 AM
suzihussein22 said...: Hi justin. My husband thinks I'm following too closely also. But I'll stick with it as much as I can since I haven't been shouted off the thread. :); May 25, 2008 12:36 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Justin the green papers has clinton152661 pop votes ahead of obama. Just thought you should know that. Jean; May 25, 2008 12:36 AM
Clemens said...: Leah Said

No, I grew up in a small town in southern Illinois in the house of my grandparents. My grandfather came to the U.S.A. from Italy when he was 12 years old back in 1904.

Leah any chance you are talking about Benld IL?; May 25, 2008 12:37 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Independent Dem-

Yep, I wasn't here when the good news came out. I've been busy this evening making potato salad and I cleaned 10 one pound containers of strawberries ;)

Hillary has lost 1 and Obama gained 1 from Alaska when GP updated AND Obama picked up the Alaska add-on.

So far today:

Obama: +3 add-ons plus one
Clinton: +1 and minus one = net ZERO

in other words for today:

Obama: +4
Clinton: ZERO

Total number of delegates now needed to secure the nomination under the current DNC rules:

OBAMA 52
Clinton 246

OBAMA 52 - Clinton 246

This is the only number that Clinton leads - but the person with the biggest number in this case LOSES!

.; May 25, 2008 12:38 AM
greywolf said...: Green papers are counting fl and mi that is why they have her ahead in that category. However if you look deeper into the green papers they have obama ahead under the current rules of the DNC; May 25, 2008 12:41 AM
Independent Voter said...: aunt jean - you are full of nothing but excuses! Foul Play? Now Obama and his supporters are murderers?

Are you KIDDING me on the media? Sniper fire was "much ado about nothing"? Even when confronted with the truth she still said that it happened the way she said...it wasn't until she was confronted with videotape that she admitted to "misspeaking" (LYING).

She lied about her role in getting NAFTA passed. She promised to create 200,000 new jobs in New York, yet they had a net loss of 30,000, all the while saying that NAFTA was good for New York. How is something good when you lose (other than weight)? Granted this was a lie, but this is a prime example of not promising something you may not be able to deliver on.

For a short period of time, yes I will admit Obama was getting a free ride from the media, but just after he won ALL the February following Super Tuesday the media beat the living hell out of him and he emerged pretty unscathed. He HAS admitted to his mistakes, Clinton still refuses to even admit that she has EVER made a mistake.

You have to remember, up until Iowa, the media had a major hard-on for Hillary and all but coronated her Queen. And if there is ANY theft that takes place in this nomination, it will be on the side Hillary Clinton.; May 25, 2008 12:42 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Clemens -

I was born in Spring Valley, IL. and grew up in Streator ( a small town south of Ottawa, another small town). Closer to Peoria than Chicago.
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Greywolf - what part do you want me to explain. Also, the comment you copied from me I deleted and reposted because I had Clinton needing 244 and the correct number she needs now is 246.

.; May 25, 2008 12:42 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Emit why should obama get all the uncommitted. Edwards name was on the ballot in ky and wv [was no longer in the race] and he got votes. So the rest of people that took their name off michigan's ballot would have gotten votes. So there is no way obama should get all the uncommitted.Just wishful thinking on your part sorry. Jean; May 25, 2008 12:43 AM
Distance Dave said...: I'd like it if the first post on the blog now wasn't something kinda mean against a regular contributor; May 25, 2008 12:43 AM
Clemens said...: Leah ok I was just curious. There aren't that many places in Southern Illinois where Italians immigrated to in very large numbers, Benld being one of them; May 25, 2008 12:45 AM
greywolf said...: I just love it when people read until they find information that suits and matches their way of thinking, then stop reading. Half the information does you no good. You need to read it all for clarity, understanding and all the facts. Then and only then do you have all the information needed to form a clear logical reasonable and informed decision and relevant statements.; May 25, 2008 12:46 AM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Hey Leah, did you catch the opening to SNL tonight. Pretty funny stuff.; May 25, 2008 12:46 AM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Aunt Jean, any vote counting in Mich is hypothetical anyway, it was an invalid election.

It violated the rules of the DNC.

Period; May 25, 2008 12:49 AM
greywolf said...: Leah,

Explain the plus minus game. How lost and how added. was it because she her supporters failed to show or what? I am not sure i understand the net 4 to 0; May 25, 2008 12:51 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Emit R Detsaw-

Nope ;(

I have the dvr set up to record SNL so I will watch it in the morning - I was busy in the kitchen up until now.; May 25, 2008 12:52 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave did I once say murderers.No she apologized at the last debate her and obama had about the sniper fire.No she did not lie about NAFTA she was never for it like it was but she did back her HUSBAND!!!!The media rode him alittle for about 2 maybe 3 weeks but not very hard and you know it compared to the bashing they have slung at Hillary! She has said severl times that she is only human and that she does make mistakes[ give me a break]No obama is the one that want's, with the media's help steal this race. Jean; May 25, 2008 12:53 AM
justin said...: Aunt Jean
Hadn't been to GP, now that I have I note that the absolute numbers for popular vote don't seem to be absolute. This gives me pause for a suggestion that pop vote is king and winner take all.

Also, I am pleased to realize that almost 35M voters have come out to say that Bush has this ship pointed in the wrong direction, time for a new captain to turn us on a course of reason. McCain is not that captain, and doesn't have a new course mapped out.; May 25, 2008 12:54 AM
greywolf said...: Obama: +3 add-ons plus one
Clinton: +1 and minus one = net ZERO

in other words:

Obama +4
Clinton ZERO

This is what I dont understand.; May 25, 2008 12:55 AM
Aunt Jean said...: emit it shouldn't of been that's the whole point. There were 4 other states that broke the rules but that was ok. I don't think so. Jean; May 25, 2008 12:57 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama: +3 add-ons

- Added Stephen Leeds (GA)# for Obama
- Added W. Patrick Goggles (WY)# for Obama
- Added Tony Knowles (AK)# for Obama

plus +1 pledged delegate when DCW updated the numbers here on this site from the Green Papers adjusted AK Pledged Delegates numbers

Obama's total today = +4
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Clinton: +1 add-on
Added Verna Cleveland (GA)# for Clinton

minus one pledged delegate when DCW updated the numbers here on this site from the Green Papers adjusted AK Pledged Delegates numbers

Clinton total for today = ZERO

So that is how I got.....
Obama +4
Clinton 0; May 25, 2008 1:00 AM
greywolf said...: Anut Jean..

Then explain how Hillary and the clintons can say they are against NAFTA, yet one of her top stratigist was working on the Columbia NAFTA deal and her husband made 800k promoting the columbia NAFTA deal. There lies the problem... how can you be against something and make money promoting something your completely against? Its called clouded doublespeak, meaning I dont agree with it but I sure do like making money off of it. That does not wash. Facts speak for themselves would you not say.; May 25, 2008 1:00 AM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Aunt Jean, the other 4 States applied to the DNC for permission to move theirs up because they were supposed to be ahead of Mich and Fla.

That's not breaking the rules, that's getting an exemption to the rules.; May 25, 2008 1:02 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 25, 2008 1:02 AM
Independent Voter said...: aunt jean - when someone references that there was "foul play" involved - the implication is murder or something to that extent.

They rode Obama for 2-3 weeks? Are you kidding me? The rode him for 2 months. Not very hard? WOW! Are YOU dreaming! Whatever drugs you are on, can I have some? They sure do sound good!

Rev. Wright, Ayers, Wright again, bitter-gate. These issues kept going for 2 months and even into the ABC debate! Which CLINTON was given follow-up questions regarding Rev. Wright and Ayers and bitter = which NONE of these issues involved her. Obama gave her a FREE PASS on sniper-gate. The media asks her if he's a Christian? What kind of stupid question is that to ask HER?

Especially the Ayers thing - that was TOTAL BS on her part. She should have kept her mouth shut, especially since it was HER HUSBAND who pardoned two people from the same organization who were found guilty, and Ayers was never even brought up on charges. When she was asked if she wanted to respond to the pardons or go to break - her answer - lets go to break. Ridiculous, your candidate is a JOKE! She does NOT represent all women. I for one know A LOT MORE intelligent, caring, and powerful women who don't have to play on their gender to advance themselves, unlike Queen Hill.; May 25, 2008 1:03 AM
greywolf said...: ok I got it. It was an adjustment made by AK in pledged del.; May 25, 2008 1:04 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 25, 2008 1:04 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: For the umpteenth time:

Popular vote does not count for anything except the distribution of the delegates to the candidates in the district and state, on a state by state basis. After that, the popular vote is not used in any way, shape or form.

Per the rules of the DNC, the only thing that counts at the Democratic National Convention is how many delegates vote for which candidate or issue, and if there are a majority of delegates voting "Yea", then the "Yeas" win.

Which candidate won the popular vote total is a bogus argument. It is the number of delegates voting "Yea" that matters when it comes to the nomination of the Democratic Party candidate for President, for Vice-President, adoption of the Party Platform, and every other issue to be decided at the Democratic Party Convention in Denver.

The only metric that counts is the number of delegates, NOTHING ELSE!

Only the blind, the gullible, or the Kool-Ade drinkers apply any importance to the popular vote total.

Mike; May 25, 2008 1:04 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Greywolf to begin with it was Bill not Hillary. Also it was, I believe Penn which his company was involved with columbia not Hillary get your facts straight. Jean; May 25, 2008 1:06 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike in Mayland no the way it goes is they vote for the one that is most electable no matter what it's just that it's been a long time if ever it's been this close. Jean; May 25, 2008 1:08 AM
greywolf said...: Aunt Jean....

I am a retired US Army 56 yr old white blue collar working man that is laid off. I served in Vietnam and I am sorry you never forget any experience of being shot at and having to run for cover while bullets nip at your heals. Something I can promise you will never forget.. it leaves a lasting impression on you. HRC did not mispeak the bosnia thing, she out right lied to make her self appear to be something she was not. That was an intentional thing especially when she has told the same story many times over and over again correctly. She said it and just hoped she would not get caught. That was the straw that broke the camels back for me. You do not deminish those that served, were shot at in actual combat and died just to make yourself look better in the eyes of those that you are talking to.; May 25, 2008 1:09 AM
Independent Voter said...: leah,

The only way she would have lost a delegate is if not all of her supporters to reach the 25% mark made it to the convention.

He needed a 75% to 25% split to keep the projected delegate count. It ended up 77% to 23%. which means that not all of Clinton's supporters turned out or they defected over to Obama's side.; May 25, 2008 1:09 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike in Maryland : Only the blind, the gullible, or the Kool-Ade drinkers apply any importance to the popular vote total.I guess the SD's are this. Jean; May 25, 2008 1:10 AM
Vicki in Seattle said...: Anyone getting the WSJ, today's Peggy Noonan column was awfully good - "Sex and the Sissy" - talks about Golda Meier, Indira Gandhi, and Margaret Thatcher, and that they never once complained about sexism holding them back. It will be on her web site soon enough, you can google to find it. Earlier columns have also been good. She's my new favorite in the print media.; May 25, 2008 1:11 AM
Independent Voter said...: Aunt Jean wrote: "Greywolf to begin with it was Bill not Hillary. Also it was, I believe Penn which his company was involved with columbia not Hillary get your facts straight. Jean"

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Jean, the $800,000 that Bill got from the Colombian trade deal went into their JOINT account! This means they BOTH benefited from it. Sorry, she's a LIAR and even more sorry that you are willing to support a LIAR!; May 25, 2008 1:11 AM
justin said...: Agreed only delegates count. Only reason to bring in other numbers is because some delegates are SDs.

Because each has to decide sepearately from PDs, important to see strengths in many areas.

Math = 52 to go.; May 25, 2008 1:11 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Greywolf my brother served in Nam.68-69 Not the same person who went over there came back.I was fifteen when he came back you didn't dare touch him when he was sleeping he went nuts.He had nightmares for years. Do you know who he supports HILLARY CLINTON.Jean; May 25, 2008 1:14 AM
Independent Voter said...: aunt jean - are you finally admitting that YOU are a kool-aid drinker? It sure sounds like it since you are putting so much importance (just like yam) in the popular vote.; May 25, 2008 1:15 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave so you are telling me that you can control what your other half does give me a break. You know that is BS. Plus she is no more a liar than obama he's told his share. Jean; May 25, 2008 1:17 AM
billyjay66 said...: justin

Re votes in Michigan

You are right on about votes for Clinton vs votes against her. But that total vote was even closer All together 293,380 voted against her:

Clinton..........................328,151

Uncommitted..................237,762

Kucinich, Dodd, Gravel.......27,924

Write in- not counted........27,694

All non Clinton.................293,380

net Clinton Margin.............34,771 (52.8%-47.2%)

Scored under 53% and no major candidate on the ballot. She gained no more than 35K in popular vote. With only herself....and NOT herself on the ballot.; May 25, 2008 1:17 AM
greywolf said...: That is the point Aunt Jean...
How can you be for one thing and have people on your staff that are against what you believe in.
Also her claim to beagains NAFTA would have been more believeable had she come right out and stated that her husband made 800K on the columbia nafta deal instead of waiting for it to be discovered in their taxes. its called transparancy. You just dont get it, but that is okay.; May 25, 2008 1:17 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Independent voter -

My guess is that have defected to Obama.

There is a trend starting to happen.

There was a poll a couple weeks ago in California. The asked people that had voted in the California primary- if the election was redone now who would you vote for - and Hillary did not do very well and Obama won according to the poll.

Also the new California polls are showing Obama doing better than HRC now.

Also I read yesterday that 40 superdelegates are fixin' to switch from Clinton to Obama - Rep. Dennis Cardoza (CA) was mentioned in the article and HE DID switch yesterday.

I think many people that endorsed HRC early on are regretting it now.

.; May 25, 2008 1:18 AM
Joshua said...: Independent voter
“I for one know A LOT MORE intelligent, caring, and powerful women who don't have to play on their gender to advance themselves, unlike Queen Hill.”

I add: I respect women who achieve something themselves and not ride their husband’s or father’s coattails. What has Hillary ever achieved that did not depend on who her husband is?; May 25, 2008 1:18 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave I don't think that they just take in the pop vote count they are suppose to look at the whole picture. Jean; May 25, 2008 1:20 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Billyjay66 you could also say that those votes were against obama too. Jean; May 25, 2008 1:21 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike if you don't know what Hillary has done look it up. She's done plenty on her own. jean; May 25, 2008 1:23 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike -

Hillary did get her law degree without the help of Bill. You have to give her that.

BUT thousands of women have done that, so I would not count that as something special.; May 25, 2008 1:23 AM
greywolf said...: thats his choice... I hold to a different standard then. Anyone that deminishes the services and sacrifices of those that served automatically go on my pure negative list. Her comment/lie on the bosnia thing does just that for me.
And yes I understand that about your brother.. I was the sameway for years... an engine backfire would send me jumping for cover. And your right.. no one ever touched me when I slept or had my back to them.. I changed very much. War leaves a scar on your soul that never leaves especially when you watch people die and watch the enemy you just shot die..you never really get over it. You just push it into the back of your mind and live with it.; May 25, 2008 1:23 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah you are so funny what you said about Ca. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOl LOL You really can come up with some funny ones. Jean; May 25, 2008 1:25 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: greywolf,

How Alaska came about:

In the district caucuses, Senator Clinton got just over 25% of the delegates. That meant that she would get 1 PLEO (Party Leaders and Elected Officials), and Senator Obama would get 1 PLEO. When there are two spots to be filled (two PLEOs in this case) in a two-candidate race, you need at least 25% to get one of the spots.

However, at the state convention, Senator Clinton got less than 25% of the vote (24.71%), so she 'lost' the one PLEO she had 'won' at the district caucuses.

The reason for the difference is that not all of the district-elected delegates went to the state convention (Senator Clinton had more 'missing delegates' than Senator Obama), giving Senator Obama a greater proportion of delegates at the state convention.

If Senator Clinton had received less than 25% of the vote at the district caucuses, but received more than 25% at the state convention, she would have 'won' a PLEO that she previously had not had.

I hope this helps.

Mike; May 25, 2008 1:26 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: The people that harp about the popular vote just can't bring them selves to see the reality of the DELEGATE COUNT.

And by them repeating the same thing over and over and over regarding the pop. vote numbers is FOOLISH.

THIS IS A DELEGATE RACE.
THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS WHO HAS THE MOST DELEGATES.

Most of the Super Delegates know how this nomination process works and they are not going to be fooled by bogus pop. vote numbers that DO NOT include all of the states that had caucuses.

SDs are not stupid!

People that think that SDs are stupid then they themselves might be.

.; May 25, 2008 1:28 AM
justin said...: Billy- Well done with the additional MI numbers.

Aunt Jean- True they don't just take the pop vote. I trust they will look at some numbers (# of states won, # of pledges delegates, etc) and some "intangibles," such as charisma, ability to insprie new voters, ability to unite a nation, electability.; May 25, 2008 1:28 AM
Joshua said...: Leah, I agree. I give her that. Personally, I have a BA, an MD and also post doctoral in Ob and Gyn. I understand advance degrees.; May 25, 2008 1:28 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: AND .. besides no matter what the pop. vote is now Obama will have many more votes after he wins Montana, North Dakota, and YES possibly even Puerto Rico.

.; May 25, 2008 1:30 AM
Joshua said...: Leah, do you know that HRC flunked her DC bar exam and never took it again? I guess she is not as smart as everyone says she is.; May 25, 2008 1:31 AM
billyjay66 said...: aunt jean

yamaha count as as he wishes. you may count as you wish. I may count as I wish. No permission needed.

What is obvious is that only Edwards or Obama had a prayer of reaching 15% less than that gets no delegates.

a very ungenerous split....... going against Obama would be 50-50 Obama- Edwards. That's my view.; May 25, 2008 1:31 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Gretwolf you are silly!!!It was going to be known so what was the problem. As far as having someone in her campaign that was in the columbia deals no she shouldn't of. But she did and she believed that it wasn't going to be a problem but it was. So sue her ha ha ha.Michelle [what] doubled her salary at the hospital after obama got sen. So why didn't they tell the public about that? Or how about a unsavory person is where he got his house from plus the lot next door. I could come up with more things but its boring . Jean; May 25, 2008 1:32 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike you will come up with any kind of BS doesn't matter if it's true or not. Jean; May 25, 2008 1:34 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike said: "Leah, do you know that HRC flunked her DC bar exam and never took it again? I guess she is not as smart as everyone says she is."
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I had heard that one of them did. I was thinking that it was Bill. Thanks for the info.

She might not be as 'book smart' as most people think.

And remember that 'book smart' has nothing to do with WISDOM and GOOD JUDGMENT.

As far as Obama goes he has the books smarts and I believe he has wisdom and good judgment.

OBAMA/Sebelius '08
.; May 25, 2008 1:37 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Billyjay66 yes you can that's what's so great about America you can just like HILLARY CAN BE THE GREATEST PRESIDENT!!!!!! Jean; May 25, 2008 1:37 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah your 1:37 post this is what I think about what you said about obama LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL HA HA HA HA HA HA LOL LOL LOL HA HA HA .Jean; May 25, 2008 1:38 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Btw the superdelegate that switched from Clinton to Obama yesterday, Rep. Dennis Cardoza of California was the Co-Chair Of Clinton's Hispanic Council !!!

Ain't that a hoot!

.; May 25, 2008 1:39 AM
Joshua said...: HILLARY FLUNKS D.C. BAR EXAM ("the smartest woman in the world" seeks less competitive venue)

http://tinyurl.com/5uwy8c
http://newsbusters.org/node/13140
http://tinyurl.com/5hyftl; May 25, 2008 1:40 AM
billyjay66 said...: leah

Yes popular vote is totay unofficial but it sure is being used as a tool to "work the refs".....twist the SD arms!!!; May 25, 2008 1:41 AM
greywolf said...: Mike yes your explaination helped a lot. I understand a lot more now. Thanks.

BTW current national polls for Calif.

BO 54 HRC 51
MC 37 MC 39; May 25, 2008 1:41 AM
greywolf said...: gonna stop trying to have a battle of wits with the witless. Lol...
Got to get going and do some prep for tomorrows bbq. You all have a great night.; May 25, 2008 1:45 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: The parrot of a Yammerer stated It was going to be known so what was the problem.

The problem was that 'it' was known only when Senator Clinton released her tax returns. Was this why she kept them out of the public light for months? Why she kept delaying the release of the tax returns?

How long prior to the release of the tax returns did she make campaign statements about being against NAFTA, and when asked about a similar trade deal with Columbia, did she say she was against it, not saying a word that her Chief Campaign Strategist (Marc Penn) was actively lobbying FOR a Columbian trade deal? How could she NOT know that Bill Clinton was receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars in fees for speaking in favor of a Columbian trade deal?

Yet she stated that she was SHOCKED! SHOCKED!! when she found out that Penn and Bill were trying to get a Columbian trade deal to go through.

I'm not sure if anyone is rich enough to not notice when $800,000 is deposited into a bank account. Even the $100,000,000+ dollars that the Clintons made in seven years since Bill left the White House certainly wouldn't put them in that category.

SHOCKED! SHOCKED!! Shades of Renault in the movie 'Casablanca' when he found out there was gambling at Rick's?

Mike; May 25, 2008 1:50 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: NATIONAL RCP Average

Obama 51.2%
Clinton 40.8%

Obama +10.4

That is HRC's avg. before the 'RFK remark'. It will be interesting (exciting) to see her percentage fall drastically in the upcoming days.; May 25, 2008 1:51 AM
billyjay66 said...: aunt jean

I met Hillary the first time in Mar '92 - primary campaign for Bill. It was in Greely CO where the tornado was this week. The intro she got at that time was "voted on of the top 100 lawyers in the country" A little gathering of under 100.; May 25, 2008 1:53 AM
suzihussein22 said...: aahh...bbq...I hope you don't have cicadas swarming you. We can sure hear ours. They sound like a B movie UFO. Which is even louder in our "turtle holler." :); May 25, 2008 1:53 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: greywolf -

Have a great BBQ.

There will be BBQ'd baby-back ribs here on the grill tomorrow ;)

It has been so hot here in Houston they would probably cook without turning the grill on ;) LOL ;)

.; May 25, 2008 1:58 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Justin explain what has happened the past 3 months.Jean; May 25, 2008 2:00 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Personally I don't put a lot of stock in downgrading a person not passing the bar exam on their first try. I think the average is somewhere around 75% do not pass on their first try.

However, to not even try again after failing DOES say a lot. The per cent of those taking and passing it on the second try is well above 75%.

The DC bar is considered the most important, as it is the one you need to pass in order to practice law in any court located within the District of Columbia (not including the Supreme Court, for which there are separate credentials needed).

Thus to fail is of no importance to me. To not try again IS of importance to me.

Mike; May 25, 2008 2:01 AM
Independent Voter said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 25, 2008 2:02 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Well folks I'm headed for the bed for the night have a good one. Jean; May 25, 2008 2:02 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: From DCW:

Sunday. May 25, Hawaii Democrats hold their State Convention, followed by a meeting of the State Central Committee, at the Hilton Hawaiian Village Resort in Waikiki, and name their add-on, and also select a new state party chair and vice-chair, both of whom immediately become superdelegates. Obama won the Hawaii Caucuses. Candidates for the Chair position are Annelle Amaral and Brian Schatz. Schatz is a former member of Obama's campaign in Hawaii, and has been endorsed by Obama. Amaral is a Clinton supporter but has committed to voting for Obama at the convention. In addition, Obama has endorsed James Burns, former chief judge of the state Intermediate Court of Appeals, for the add-on position. Update: Obama supporters are also backing Maui teacher Kari Luna for vice chair.
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Looks like Obama will have a great day tomorrow too :)

.; May 25, 2008 2:03 AM
Independent Voter said...: Jean - Dave so you are telling me that you can control what your other half does give me a break. You know that is BS. Plus she is no more a liar than obama he's told his share. Jean

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I do NOT control everything my partner does. However he is also not seeking the presidency. Nor is he trying to set public policy. That is what your candidates husband and top advisors are trying to do.; May 25, 2008 2:08 AM
Oregon Dem said...: What seems silly to me is that some of you just keep rehashing what is in the past rather than looking forward to the future. I mean how many times do we have to debate these silly things....

Lets look forward to the future whenwe can cometogether and support our Democratic nominee.; May 25, 2008 2:08 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: OFF TOPIC:

• TV's 'Laugh-in' comic Dick Martin dies in California at 86; May 25, 2008 2:13 AM
Independent Voter said...: Aunt Jean - Mike you will come up with any kind of BS doesn't matter if it's true or not. Jean

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That goes for you too.; May 25, 2008 2:14 AM
suzihussein22 said...: independent voter-I don't have my husband quite wrapped aroung my finger either.:) But when it comes to the public's perception, conflict of interest needs to be avoided. My husband will be trying to run for school board, but I don't think we'll have a problem with that aspect anyway.; May 25, 2008 2:25 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Just imagine...

Just imagine...

Just imagine...

How this ticket would sound staying it OUT LOUD:

Obama/Lincoln '08

Obama/Lincoln '08

Obama/Lincoln '08

I haven't researched her yet but the name sure does sound great!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanche_Lincoln

We've had TWO Clintons and TWO Bushes run - why not TWO LINCOLNS - at least this time they aren't in the same family, as far as I know ;); May 25, 2008 2:34 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Regarding Senator Blanche Lincoln:

From Wikipedia.org

Some observers initially considered Lincoln to have been a possible running mate for presidential candidate John Kerry in the 2004 election. However, she might be a compelling running mate for a Northern Democrat such as Barack Obama in 2008. A moderate Southern woman, with a solid record in Senate and two big Senate wins in Arkansas, she could be a good balance for the national ticket. Blanche has endorsed Senator Hillary Clinton, whom she describes as "an effective and strong leader committed to the priorities of America’s working families,"[5] in her 2008 bid for the White House.
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Good: She is from Arkansas

Bad: She voted for the war in Iraq.; May 25, 2008 2:40 AM
Independent Voter said...: Leah - she is definitely a good possibility.

Also check out Lincoln Chafee; May 25, 2008 2:47 AM
tmess2 said...: I don't know if an above post was accurate about Senator Clinton and the DC bar. I do know from friends in law school that D.C. and California are considered to have two of the more difficult bar exams in the country. Because DC has one of the more liberal policies for admitting people to the bar who are licensed elsewhere, it is not unusual for those planning to work in DC to take their home state bar exam and transfer in.; May 25, 2008 3:05 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Regarding Lincoln Chafee:

Not so good: He is a Senator so that is still not as good as picking a Governor.

Not so good: He used to be a Republican even though he is an Independent now. (That is better than Hagel though).

GOOD: Chafee was the only Republican in the Senate to have voted against authorization of the use of force in Iraq.

Good: Ann Coulter doesn't like him and wrote an article titled: "They Shot the Wrong Lincoln."
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I am looking forward to the day when we hear who Obama is seriously looking at :); May 25, 2008 3:14 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I am totally amazed at the fact that Gov. Bobby Jindal might actually be on McCain's shortlist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal

Jindal is only 36 years old - that is 10 years younger than Obama.

Jindal is younger than my baby brother and I was 14 years old when my baby brother was born!

The only reason I can come up with as to why McCain is 'projecting' the idea he is considering Jindal is for 'diversity'.

Can you image IF McCain was President and something happened and Jindal was VP we would have a 37 year old President with REALLY a very thin resume !

And McCain had the nerve to say that Obama was 'young' 'inexperienced' and 'naive'.

Shame on McCain!

Perhaps in addition to losing his 'bearings' he HAS also lost his 'marbles'.

.; May 25, 2008 3:31 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Ahhhhh.... this might explain the McCain - Jindal connection:

McCain on Friday, May 23, 2008 at his home in Arizona, according to a Republican familiar with the decision. The meeting, however, may actually serve a different purpose, presenting Jindal with the opportunity to speak at the 2008 Republican National Convention, in a similar fashion to Barack Obama at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, cementing a place for him in the party and opening the gate for a future run for the presidency.

.; May 25, 2008 3:37 AM
Joshua said...: Leah, Never mind his “youth.” Here is what the Constitution says are the qualifications required for the office of POTUS (and VPOTUS):

“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”; May 25, 2008 3:40 AM
Joshua said...: As to whom Obama chooses for VP, the main thing that attracted me to Obama is his judgment. I have watched or listened to all his interviews and have heard most of his speeches. I have never been disappointed in anything he has done or stated. I have never found him to tell a mistruth. I completely trust his judgment. I am confident that he will not disappoint me with his first and biggest executive judgment: choosing a VP.

I hope that he will not announce his choice till shortly before the Convention. I don’t want a summer full of media gotcha and circus around the VP. The VP is totally unimportant and has only two jobs:

(1) figure-head of the Senate
(2) Every morning on getting to work, ask: “How is the health of the President?”; May 25, 2008 3:50 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike -

I know that. I have copied and pasted that same paragraph to dozens of websites over the few months ;)

But age does matter.
Jindal is too young and McCain is too old. McCain already stated that he would serve only 4 years.

And also it says in the U.S. Constitution that 'THERE WILL BE NO RELIGIOUS TEST'

but that didn't stop the media and the public from raking Senator Obama over the coals for WEEKS and WEEKS and it is still an issue.

.; May 25, 2008 3:52 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike-

I agree. Senator Obama has very good judgment. And as far as being 'wise' he was given an extra dose of wisdom at birth ;)

I am sure he has 'his short list for VP' already in his head.

He and his campaign have been VERY organized and detail oriented - and they don't leave anything for the last minute.; May 25, 2008 3:57 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Mike,

Technically he meets the requirements.

He will be 37 on June 10.

He was born in Baton Rouge, so is a natural born citizen.

He has lived in the US for at least the last 14 years.

His parents emigrated from India to the US, and have since been naturalized.

But the contrast of him at 37 and McSame at 72 would be too much of a head spinner. Can you imagine how much fun Leno and Letterman would have? Not to mention Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert?

Mike; May 25, 2008 3:59 AM
Joshua said...: We survived 4 years of Vice-President Dan Quayle, and 8 years of Vice-President Dick Cheney. It cannot get any worse.; May 25, 2008 4:00 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: BREAKING NEWS!

Barack Obama wants Bill Clinton to heal Hillary Clinton wounds

http://tinyurl.com/6p4l3t

.; May 25, 2008 4:08 AM
Joshua said...: Leah, “but that didn't stop the media and the public from raking Senator Obama over the coals for WEEKS and WEEKS and it is still an issue.”
That is why Obama’s support is mainly with the intelligent and educated. We understand what is important. The media can have their circus. In fact I have found all media too painful to watch. I used to be a TV News junkie. Since Hillary cried on camera before New Hampshire and the media ate it up and have been treating Obama so badly, making him pass tests not required of other candidates (no other candidate has been asked to prove that they are patriotic, wears a flag-pin, held to account for what people who support him say even if not connected with his campaign), I stopped watching all media. I even stopped listening to NPR – too pro-Hillary. CNN is totally out – Clinton Network News. MSNBC is out including Chris Matthews. I know that he stated that he got chills up his legs listening to Obama’s speech. But that has not stopped him from making very racist statements against Obama.

So, now I get all my news from the Internet. I occasionally watch Keith Olberman since he stopped being so pro-Clinton. He admitted on camera that he used to be in the Clinton camp till she drove him away with her kitchen-sink low-road campaign.

For me, all TV and Radio is off all day, except internet music radio.; May 25, 2008 4:15 AM
Joshua said...: Mike in MD
I agree. Look at it like this: their average age is about 54. So, on age, they pass. LOL.; May 25, 2008 4:18 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Goodnight everyone ;)

Tomorrow is another day.

Obama/Sebelius

Obama/Lincoln

Obama/Anyone but HRC

.; May 25, 2008 4:25 AM
Joshua said...: G'nite Leah. G'nite all.; May 25, 2008 4:31 AM
Peter said...: Obama know has more than 1970 delegates, DCW has 1973, that means he is close to 50 short of 2026. This number will probably change on the 31., but given Clintons last RFK comment she has lost both "moral-support" and probably most of her leverage. I don`t think she will get much more than 50/50 from FL/MI, maybe 55-45 or 60-40 at best.
But Obama will probably be lestt han 40 delegates away from 2026 before the 31.. He is going to get something around 40 delegates from PR, SD and MT, so he don`t need that many supers to win the majority on the 3th. I think it his higly likely that SD and MT will give him the majority and that the campaign has timed this well. This well give him a boost in MT and SD and COULD put these to small states in play in the fall. SD is a quite red state, but some polls have had him less than 10% behind McCain. MT is not that red, last Rasmussen poll had him only 5% behind McCain. Remember that these polls where taken long before those states have voted, campaigning here and probably winning here, will give him a boost.

I think he has a great chance to win Montana. Clinton was almost 20% behind McCain in the last poll taken here, Obama was closer with 5%. I haven`t seen any recent Obama-Clinton poll, but I am pretty sure he will win with at least 10%. Obama has won ALL states nearby. I think he will get a boost against McCain in the polls if he wins MT with 15-20%, I think thats quite possible.
I think Obama can win MT in the fall and that would create problems for McCain. MT is not a state he is prepared to defend, I think GOP thinks MT, SD and ND are 100% safe, they are NOT.

SD is more difficult but I think Obama will win here by 10-15% against Clinton. He was ahead with 8 in the last poll. He has won all nearby states here as well. SD could be impossible to win against McCain, but I wouldn`t be 100% sure of it. If he wins big (15-20%) against Clinton he would get a momentum and I think a situation where he has a momentum in SD, ND and MT could create a situation where he wins at least 2 of those states. That would probably shock most political-experts in this country...

Kerry lost MT by 20%, Obama is 5% behind in a recent poll. The question is if he has maxed out, or if he has a growing momentum there?
The margin in ND was 27% in 04, last poll? 6%. SUSA actually had Obama ahead here in february.
The margin in SD was 21% in 04. Last polls had the margin at 17%, but that was in the middle of the wright and bitter controversy. I think SD would be the most difficult one of these three.

These states are small, only with 3 EV each. You may think that they don`t matter, but the thing is that getting more states in play is extremly important because that would mean McCain most defend more states and that they most spend more money, we will probably have more money than them. So if enough states are in play, it could create a situation where McCain has to give up one or two states. It is possible that a state like MT would such a state, since it only offers 3EV. 3EV is not much, but it would be 3EV McCain lose and 3EV Obama gains....; May 25, 2008 5:50 AM
Yamaka said...: "Popular vote does not count for anything except the distribution of the delegates to the candidates in the district and state, on a state by state basis. After that, the popular vote is not used in any way, shape or form."

RodentinMD:

Accept the fact that your Candidate does NOT have the majority of votes polled so far, thus he IS the "Minority Candidate". You may spin it, slice it whatever way you like HE is not the Majority Candidate, period.

The Popular Vote lead is something the SDs would like to know - at least some of them will move to vote for HRC on that basis.

How are you going to prevent that?

Rodent: Please answer these Qns:

1. Did BARack pass the DC Bar?

2. Why didn't he serve the US Military when many men of his age served there?

3. In spite of spending 3:1 why didn't he win PA, OH, WV and KY?

He is the least vetted, least experienced and the riskiest Candidate in more than half a century. If nominated, the Party will lose both the WH and the Congress! Beware...
________________________

Your nonsense about Hyde Park-Kenwood knowledge is from Wikipedia, where you get your half-truths on most issues. I lived there for 5 years. Go and get the Hyde Park Map. You will find every detail I talked about.

You are suffering from paranoid hallucination. You need immediate treatment, Rodent. :-(

______________________________

Folks:

The Party is irrevocably split between the Far Left Liberals under BARack Hussein Bin Obama and the moderate centrists under HRC.

The vitriol most of you throw at the Majority Candidate tells me the Election is already over:

John S. McCain and Cindy will be dancing in the Inaugural Ball.

Shame on you.; May 25, 2008 7:24 AM
Yamaka said...: "This number will probably change on the 31., but given Clintons last RFK comment she has lost both "moral-support" and probably most of her leverage."

peter:

This RFK gaffe is just the spin of the Liberal Media and the BARack Propaganda Machine's desperate last attempt to steal votes! She did NOT mean harm to anybody, she just emphasized the month of "June" (Toobin said this on CNN many time before!). That's it.

The Americans understood it and moved on. But the BARack Propaganda Machine is still going over drive on this sordid moribund macabre potential assassination of their Black Messiah! People just don't buy it, fellows. You the subsidiary of Goebells & Co stop on this hallucinations immediately; otherwise people will think that's your wishful thinking to happen! Terrible people.

Here is my prediction - Handle it:

PR will be another blowout victory for Hillary; her Popular Vote Lead will soar to nearly 200K of ALL votes polled and certified. After June 3rd, the lead will settle at a firm 150K. This will establish her as the bona-fide Majority Candidate, as per the PV.

Most of the remaining SDs are Hillary leaning, and they WILL move towards her. Then her Math is

1973 + 240 = 2213 TDs, when the Real Hurdle after RBC Meeting will be 2209 or closer to that.

She can easily get 240 TD from the outstanding 86 D + 234 SDs + 18 Ed Ds.

Her Nomination is in the bag. The Far Left Bleeding Liberal Minority Candidate will be soon gone with the wind.

But, my larger question to ALL of us is how are we going to rally the troops behind the First Woman POTUS?

Cheer, Smile and Vote for Hillary for REAL POSITIVE CHANGE.

:-)

:-); May 25, 2008 7:43 AM
Peter said...: I wonder if Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton served in the military?
Hmm. Do you know Mr.RAC ist?

I wonder what the difference between 17 020 025 and 16 451 376 is? Does anyone knows? Do you know the difference Mr.RAC ist?

I wonder why Hillary Clinton didn`t win Virgina, North Carolina, Iowa, Colorado and Oregon, when she had an enormous advantage because her husband was president and her name was well known. Does anyone know? Do you know Mr.RAC ist?

I wonder why Hillary Clinton didn`t win PA and OH with bigger margins than 9,2% and 8,7% when she had an enormous advantage because of support from big players like Strickland and Rendell and a huge advantage because of her famous name and husband. I wonder why she didn`t win more when her margins where more than 20% in february in OH and close to 20% in march in PA. Why didn`t she win more, why did she loose support? Does anyone know? Do you know Mr.RAC ist?

Why does Clintons support in big states seem to drop 1-2 months after elections are held? Why have Obama closed the gap and passed her in big states like MI, CA, FL and PA? Why does she loose so much support at the moment? Do you know Mr.RAC ist?

I don`t understand why Obama have close to 200 delegates more than Clinton. I don`t understand why he is ahead in popular votes, pledged delegates, superdelegates and total delegates. I just don`t understand it. Could you please explain Mr. RAC ist? You just seem to be in so much touch with reality Mr. RAC ist. Could you please help me see the light Mr.RAC ist?

Your posts are just some amazing and accurate Mr.RAC ist. You just seem to know so much about how the primary works. Counting popular votes in those states you feel like counting is just so honest. I agree, we shouldn`t count popular votes in states like Iowa, Nevada, Washington and Maine. Its not like states like Nevada or Iowa are important. Its not like those states are battleground-states or anything.
I also think its really smart to count popular votes in states where one candidate didn`t participate because of the rules and 35% of those who voted said they would have voted for him. I think it is really smart to give that candidate 0 votes in that state. I think that is extremly realistic. You are so smar Mr.RAC ist. Everything is just so brilliant. Thank you for not looking at total delegates, its not like that is important or anything. Thank you for not looking at national polls who show Obama ahead with double digits. Thank you for being objective.; May 25, 2008 7:52 AM
Unknown said...: Is there a site anywhere that shows the states' primary results by US congressional district for all states that have held primaries to date? I want to figure out whether Congressional superdelegates are voting the will of their constituents. It's a little more obvious whether Governors and US Senators are voting their states. Thanks.; May 25, 2008 9:25 AM
Yamaka said...: To ALL anti-Women Crowd:

BHO has tons of money. But he does NOT have message.

Let him win all the three Contests remaining, and lead in PV and TD count.

Win fair and square.

Otherwise, he IS the Minority Candidate, who cannot be Nominated, period.

The Train is going to Hyde Park!; May 25, 2008 9:45 AM
Peter said...: Obama with a 15% lead against McCain in Minnesota, Minnseota has been mentioned as one of the "weakest" states Kerry won. Kerry won with only 3%, so a 15% lead at this is a good news, specially when frustrated Clinton-supporters in the party is "faking" McCain support. I think we can add at least 2-3% for Obama in most polls. He is doing bad with democrats, but polling well in most polls. That is encourgaing, because he will get more support from democrats when Clinton exit.

I think most Clinton supporters realize that she can`t win when she is behind with almost 200 delegates, has lost the pledged delegate count and is behind with almost 0,5 million in the popular vote count (even if that is not important). But, there will be some Clinton supporters who will be frustrated for a while, some will probably stay home or support McCain, but I think we can say that Obama will get at least 80-85%, he is only polling around 75% in most polls now.; May 25, 2008 9:54 AM
Unknown said...: I have not seen an official list- but I have been tracking people who have gone against their constituents in a spreadsheet. Here is a list of the house representatives who went against their constituents:

Clinton Supporters:

Doris Matsui
Laura Richardson
Mike Thompson
Maxine Waters
Diane Watson
Lynn Woolsey
Diana DeGette
Leonard Boswell
Dutch Ruppersberger
Ike Skelton
Emanuel Cleaver
Stephanie Tubbs Jones
Allyson Schwartz
Joe Sestak
Sheila Jackson Lee
Donna Christian-Christensen
Norm Dicks
Jay Inslee
Tammy Baldwin

Obama Supporters:

Eni Faleomavaega
Raul Grijalva
Howard Berman
Jim Costa
Pete Stark
Henry Waxman
Xavier Becerra
George Miller
Linda Sanchez
Adam Schiff
Joe Courtney
William Delahunt
Carol Shea-Porter
Steve Rothman
Patrick Kennedy
Steve Cohen
Jim Cooper; May 25, 2008 9:58 AM
Unknown said...: jcaesar91:
Thanks for the info. From the list of Representatives who have decided NOT to support the Democratic candidate who won their district in the primaries, it appears that SD are already starting to vote their conscience, and the Pelosi argument is out the window. The suspense is: What do the SD know that we don't know.
Very interesting that of the switchovers to Hillary, the ratio was 11 women and 8 men. The ratio of switchovers to BO is 2 women and 15 men. 11:8;2:15. Wow. 'Nuf said. As always, the truth will out, as happened throughout the Bush years. We need to make decisions based on the best interests of our country.; May 25, 2008 10:22 AM
Amot said...: jcaesar91,
can you make a spreadsheet of those Reps that went against both their district and their state? I mean a Rep can say that his state went overwhelmingly for the one candiate and though his district was narrow win for the other he feels like the other candidate should be supported...; May 25, 2008 10:27 AM
suzihussein22 said...: issue-The torch relay is being shortened in Tibet. Shocker?

http://tinyurl.com/5zbc82

In the midst of the overwhelming trajedies, the junta/government keeps up appearances. God be with Burma, Tibetan monks, and China.; May 25, 2008 10:56 AM
suzihussein22 said...: I think former Pres. Carter is leaning towards Obama.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080525/pl_nm/usa_politics_carter_dc

Of course, he has already said a teaser about his family being for Obama.; May 25, 2008 10:58 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Peter you are about a SA to begin with you need to learn what the real world says. Hillary won PA. and OH. both by 10% and obama has only 194 extra delegates. You really should get your numbers correct that way you will appear to know what you are talking about. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL. Something else obama supporters can spew out all the national polls they want to and I still wouldn't believe you why it's BS Jean; May 25, 2008 10:59 AM
Yamaka said...: Hello BHO's Propaganda Machines, the Subsidiary of Goebells & Co:

Hillary has been winning peoples heart every month since Jan '08.

Then why the hell you and the Liberal Media expect her to exit?

Sheer Lunacy.

Your Messiah wins only with small narrow Constituency:

Most Blacks, College kids, "ill-educated Affluent" Lunatics.

That's it.

She has the broad coalition of most of women, working, older and Latino Americans.

Huge.

Minority Candidate just cannot win, period.

Face the fact, and move on.

Lay off the RFK gaffe, tell your Olberman Dog to go to hell!

Smile, Cheer and Vote for Hillary.

:-); May 25, 2008 11:04 AM
JayW said...: Maybe what Hillary was trying to say the other day was that RFK was actually hit by Bosnian sniper fire and not really assassinated.

Seems plausible.; May 25, 2008 11:12 AM
Peter said...: Hillary didn`t win PA with 10% and she didn`t win OH with 10%.

Hillary got 54,6% in PA
Obama got 45,4 in PA
The difference is 9,2%. That is NOT 10%.

Hillary got 53,5% in OH
Obama got 44,8% in OH
The difference is 8,7. That is NOT 10%.

You need to check the facts before you try to attacks someone....

Regarding Jimmy Carter. I think Carter has supported Obama for a whiile, but Carters stand on the Hamas-issue, is a touchy subject. Carter is a smart man and he knows that endorsing Obama could be used by the GOP to make it sound like Obama shares Carters view on Hamas. Carter will vote for Obama but I don`t think he will make a big number out of his endorsement.; May 25, 2008 11:14 AM
Peter said...: RE JayW

I wouldn`t be surprised. Terry McAuliffe had the nerve to blame Obama-campaign for Hillarys gaffe. Look at have Clinton handled "bittergate" and how Obama handle "RFK-gate". Obama said "lets move on", Clinton said "Obama is out of touch".

Hillary tried to exploite the situation while Obama tried to downplay it.; May 25, 2008 11:16 AM
JayW said...: Peter,

I agree.

Obama won this nomination with class.

HRC is showing her true colors more and more every day. No class at all.; May 25, 2008 11:20 AM
Yamaka said...: Interestingly, David Axelrod appeared and peddling "Change" on ABC's This Week.

I know what kind of change he is talking about.

1. Change America to the Worst:

Enormous Tax Increase and Bloated Bureaucracy which he has no intention of controlling it.

2. Budget Havoc. He will give tax break to everyone except the high skilled high productive Americans.

3. Reparation to Blacks.

4. Wine and Dine with arch enemies of America: Castro, Kim, Ahamedj'nad etc.

5. Convert America the backwater of Kenya!

Is this the kind of Change America needs now?

NoooooooooooooooooooooooNoooooooo.

The Minority Candidate cannot get the Nomination or win the GE.

:-); May 25, 2008 11:21 AM
Unknown said...: Amot:

I did a little homework: Here is the list of jcaesar91’s pledged delegates who voted contrary to their districts' majority vote. Those with ** indicate those who voted against BOTH their districts and their states. So, it appears that Obama support has already rendered the Pelosi argument moot.

Ratio of "Misrepresentatives" to Total
Clinton: 9:19
Obama: 16: 17

Ratio of Men to Women "Misrepresentatives" (I don't like to "go there," but thought it might be interesting)
Clinton: 6:3
Obama: 13:2

I will do the same for State Senators and Governors, sometime today.

Clinton Supporters:

Doris Matsui – CA (State won by Clinton)
Laura Richardson – CA (State won by Clinton)
Mike Thompson – CA (State won by Clinton)
Maxine Waters – CA (State won by Clinton)
Diane Watson – CA (State won by Clinton)
Lynn Woolsey – CA (State won by Clinton)
Diana DeGette – CO (State won by Obama) **
Leonard Boswell – IA (State won by Obama) **
Dutch Ruppersberger – MD (State won by Obama)**
Ike Skelton – MO (State won by Obama) **
Emanuel Cleaver – MO (State won by Obama) **
Stephanie Tubbs Jones - OH (State won by Clinton)
Allyson Schwartz - PA (State won by Clinton)
Joe Sestak - PA (State won by Clinton)
Sheila Jackson Lee – TX (State won by Clinton)
Donna Christian-Christensen – V Islands (Won by Obama) **
Norm Dicks – WA (State won by Obama) **
Jay Inslee – WA (State won by Obama) **
Tammy Baldwin – WI (State won by Obama) **

Obama Supporters:

Eni Faleomavaega- America Samoa (Won by Clinton) **
Raul Grijalva – AZ (State won by Clinton) **
Howard Berman – CA (State won by Clinton) **
Jim Costa – CA (State won by Clinton) **
Pete Stark – CA (State won by Clinton) **
Henry Waxman – CA (State won by Clinton) **
Xavier Becerra – CA (State won by Clinton) **
George Miller – CA (State won by Clinton) **
Linda Sanchez – CA (State won by Clinton) **
Adam Schiff – CA (State won by Clinton) **
Joe Courtney – CT (State won by Obama)
William Delahunt – MA (State won by Clinton) **
Carol Shea-Porter – NH (State won by Clinton) **
Steve Rothman – NJ (State won by Clinton) **
Patrick Kennedy – RI (State won by Clinton) **
Steve Cohen – TN (State won by Clinton) **
Jim Cooper – TN (State won by Clinton) **

Jessica; May 25, 2008 11:23 AM
Anonymous said...: Hillary Clinton leads in the popular vote only if the Michigan vote count is 328,000 for her, zero for Obama. And you ignore the fact that there are no popular vote counts from Iowa, Maine, Nevada, and Washington.

A methodology that The New Yorker describes as "distinctly North Korean".

So let us review:

1. It is the Clinton camp that has talked up the importance of the popular vote, a metric that has never been used in a primary campaign.

2. Hillary Clinton is BEHIND in the popular vote count, and is the MINORITY CANDIDATE, unless

3. You count the votes like a Communist.

This is an argument that will work only with people who are not smart enough to understand the numbers, are too lazy to delve into the numbers, or are willing accept the definition of a "fair and legitimate election" as 328,000 for Clinton, zero for Obama.

Think any of the uncommitted superdelegates fall into those categories?

I have never expressed an opinion about who I think would make a better President. I am just flatly disgusted by the Clinton campaign's reliance on the popular vote argument, not only because it is venal, but because it is incompetant.

The fact that the Clinton campaign continues to rely on this faulty reasoning demonstrates that it has no more legitimate arguments to make.

I am reminded of what Fouche told Napoleon after the murder of the Duc D'Enghien: "It was worse than a crime. It was a mistake."; May 25, 2008 11:25 AM
Yamaka said...: "and is behind with almost 0,5 million in the popular vote count (even if that is not important)"

What?

As per RCP line 6, HRC got

17,650,671 total votes, 54.4K more than BHO of All the votes polled and certified!

He is leading in TD now. But this would change very soon.

Her Math is simple and feasible

1972 + 240 = 2212. The RBC Meeting will set the Hurdle at around 2200.

Stop Partial Numbers. We Need Full and Complete Numbers and Story.

The Story is HRC is leading in Popular Votes as of today.

She will Win the Nomination and win the GE.

Oh, BAma Crowd: Lay off the RFK gaffe. You sinister dogs want your prophecy comes true by repeating the most innocuous "June" Statement. Lunatics.

:-(; May 25, 2008 11:36 AM
suzihussein22 said...: softspoken22-It will be interesting to see how Bredeson endorses for TN. I hope they do major reform for SD in future primaries. I see now why primaries shouldn't be open to other parties. We know Operation Chaos had some impact. But hopefully the independents can start national primaries also.; May 25, 2008 11:36 AM
Meg said...: Yam:

Why do you think Hillary will get 240 of the remaining SD's? Is it just a fantasy or do you have some evidence?; May 25, 2008 11:41 AM
JayW said...: We should all leave Yam alone, he suffers from a menatal defect. Yam is truly delusional.

Here are the signs of someone that is delusional... not knowing the guy we can all see that Yam fits at least 8 out of 10.

1. The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.

2. That idea appears to exert an undue influence on his or her life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.

3. Despite his/her profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the patient is questioned about it.

4. The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.

5. There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to him, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly.

6. An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.

7. The belief is, at the least, unlikely.

8. The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of his psyche.

9. The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.

10. Individuals who know the patient will observe that his belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien.; May 25, 2008 11:50 AM
Meg said...: jayw:

Don't you get it? We need Yamaka! He stokes the fires!! He "pumps us up!" His English is not too good, but who cares? If we only had rational, fact-seeking, reality-accepting people on this blog, it would be boring.; May 25, 2008 11:56 AM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Morning Aunt Jean

Just to ask a question. You have often included in your comments that Obama has lied. Could you provide a particular one and a reference that proves it was more than a true misspoken item?

To Misspeak (example): When Obama stated the flag draped across his fathers casket, when his speech was written with grandfather properly there. He simply misspoke in the reading of the teleprompter. All politicians have done that.

To Lie (example): When Clinton claimed many times that they had to duck and cover as they exited the plane because of sniper fire.

Clinton has a long track record of lying when it suits her and she thinks she can get away with it. Finally in the 24 hour news cycle, they have been able to show the world her true colors.; May 25, 2008 12:07 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Here's a little something about race, especially in Appalachia.

http://tinyurl.com/5aqhuw

What's the biggest challenge facing our new POTUS? Where do we begin?!To even be trying to take on the fallout from the last 7 years is...brave, wise,?; May 25, 2008 12:07 PM
Independent Voter said...: leah - Regarding Lincoln Chafee:

Not so good: He is a Senator so that is still not as good as picking a Governor.

Not so good: He used to be a Republican even though he is an Independent now. (That is better than Hagel though).

GOOD: Chafee was the only Republican in the Senate to have voted against authorization of the use of force in Iraq.

Good: Ann Coulter doesn't like him and wrote an article titled: "They Shot the Wrong Lincoln."

---------------

Leah, if you look at Chafee's platform he is more of a Democrat than most Democrats.

Abortion - supports legal abortion
Iraq war - against
Environment - voted against drilling ANWR
Death Penalty - against
Israel - pro-Israel
Stem Cell - pro
He voted against John Bolton
Health Care - pro increase funding
Affirmative Action - favors
Gun Control - favors
Flag-burning Amendment - voted against
Gay Marriage - Favors

These are a few. He has been labeled a RINO for a reason - "Republican in Name Only".; May 25, 2008 12:10 PM
jpsedona said...: Yam,

How's the math working for ya?

you said "BHO is a carpetbagger!!" ... and Hillary not returning to Arkansas but moving to NY to run for Moynihan's seat wasn't carpetbagging?

you said: "In spite of spending 3:1 why didn't he win PA, OH, WV and KY?" Because he could. Why didn't Hillary outspend Obama in any contests since SUper Tuesday? Because she couldn't.

you said: "Here is my prediction - Handle it: PR will be another blowout victory for Hillary..." Based on the latest info from PR, this is going to be VERY close. Hillary might win, but it could be in low single digits. Politics in PR is a much different beast.No one knows how a primary will work out for either candidate, but the current thinking is a larger turnout could significantly help him.

you said: "Her Nomination is in the bag." Uh huh... just like you predicted that she was going to shock everyone in NC?

And, how's that math working for you?

you said: "1972 + 240 = 2212" ,,, she needs 240 of 320... 75% using your favorite option 5. Of course, Obama has a number of the uncommitted wrapped up in MI and a bunch of additional add-ons to come, plus some Pelosi Club delegates... plus some delegates he'll pick up in MT, SD & PR... so, she really needs more than 80% of the uncommitted delegates after these additions to Obama's totals.

So, how's that math working for ya?; May 25, 2008 12:10 PM
jpsedona said...: Yam,

you said: "BHO has tons of money. But he does NOT have message."

He has the Money, Math & Momentum... obviously if Hillary HAD the message, she ability to run a campaign is only exceeded by her ability to keep a secret.; May 25, 2008 12:12 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Y-We do need complete numbers. Guess what? We do have them, the delegates. So I'll be happy to be called a lunatic, FOB. Are you a hillraiser too?; May 25, 2008 12:13 PM
Yamaka said...: Folks:

On ABC This Week this Morning the bald pundits were talking about

BHO's Elitism: Columbia, Harvard and Hyde Park Elitism.

He went to Columbia and Harvard on Affirmative Action! LoL

Michelle too. Not on their merit.

(My kids attend Cornell U and Stanford U because of their own merit!!!)

He lives in Hyde Park because of the favors Tony Rezko did to him:

Rezko paid Full Asking Price for the Lot, but BHO paid $300K dollar less so that the Hyde Park Mansion & Lot could be bought!

Can any Slumlord pay Full Asking Price on any deal?

No Never, he always pays $300-400K less than the Full Price.

Then, why did Rezko pay the Full Price?

Simple and clear answer: Bribery to the US Senator for some future favors!

Can the Democratic Party nominate the least vetted, least experienced and riskiest Candidate for the GE?

NoooooooooooNooooooooooooooNo..No

:-(; May 25, 2008 12:16 PM
jpsedona said...: Aunt Jean,

Good to see you are back from rehab.

you said: "HILLARY CAN BE THE GREATEST PRESIDENT" ... I agree. Unfortunately, we disagree on the country.

you said: "...explain what has happened the past 3 months.Jean"

Hillary racked up 30 million in campaign debt, lost the pledged delegate lead, lost the SD lead, lost the money contest, lost the total number of contests... and she has avoided sniper fire.

you said: "obama has only 194 extra delegates"... and under the worst scenario (FL & MI option 5)needs fewer than 155 delegates to finish her off. The real number after uncommitted MI delegates at the district conventions + addl. delegates in PR, MT & SD, additional add-ons he'll get and Pelsoi Club delegates, he's close to 75 delegates under any rational scenario.; May 25, 2008 12:21 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Y-Future favors? I wouldn't be surprised if HRC had a bag full of 'em. Guilty by association again with Rezko? What about innocent until proven guilty? We haven't brought up Paul much. That case is still pending, thanks to a friend of the Clintons'.; May 25, 2008 12:22 PM
Yamaka said...: To ALL anti-Clinton anti-Women Crowd:

You know this site DCW is infested with Pro-Black Messiah Crowd!

Don't you need a counter - argument?

We provide substantive evidence of why BHO cannot be Nominated!

Take the punches, and ponder!

No use in getting angry with facts and figures!!

That shows you are all whiners.. weaklings!

:-(

p.s. But, jp, I always enjoyed your humor!

Ooops, your man is not BHO; man is McCain!!; May 25, 2008 12:45 PM
Independent Voter said...: FINALLY!!!!!!!!

Obama speaks about Clinton's BS about Florida and Michigan

"They weren't stirring it up when they didn't need the delegates," he said. "Let's not sort of pretend that we don't know what's going on. This is, from their perspective, their last slender hope to make arguments about how they can win."

You can read the rest here.; May 25, 2008 12:47 PM
Independent Voter said...: Yam, all I can say is FY!

Just because we don't like your chosen candidate does NOT mean that we are "anti-woman".

Many of us have been throwing out female names as VP running-mates for Obama.

Even if Clinton was the only person on the ballot I wouldn't vote for her. I would be just like those in Michigan.....I would vote uncommitted. I don't vote for people like her. I have voted multiple times for female candidates here in CA, and would do so for president, IF WE ACTUALLY HAD A GOOD ONE RUNNING!

So once again FY!; May 25, 2008 12:50 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Here's an interesting quote IMO counteracts HRC's statements about staying and fighting until the convention, just in case...

Winston Churchhill-Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result.; May 25, 2008 12:52 PM
RobH said...: Old Math:

2025 is the target
52 is today’s to go number
44 is predicted delegates won PR, MT, SD, HI & ME add-ons.

Thus, when 8 SD’s endorse, it’s over!! Before 5/31? Probably.

Oh, BTW, after 6/3?
6 in the Pelosi Club 6/4
7 add-ons 6/7-8
7 add-ons 6/14-15
6 add-ons by 6/21
7 Edwards pledged

It’s over ALREADY, even is NO MORE SD’s endorse, we just have to wait, ‘til 6/7.; May 25, 2008 1:02 PM
RobH said...: New Math: (FL and MI @50% - uncommitted in MI go to Obama, courtesy Chuck Todd)

2118 is the target
78 is today’s to go
44 is predicted delegates won PR, MT, SD, HI & ME add-ons.

Thus, when 34 SD’s endorse, it’s over. Before 5/31? Not likely.

BTW, after 6/3?
5.5 in the Pelosi Club (Wexler in FL loses ½)
7 add-ons 6/7-8
7 add-ons 6/14-15
6 add-ons by 6/21
12.5 Edwards pledged

It’s over ALREADY, even is NO MORE SD’s endorse, we just have to wait ‘til 6/21.; May 25, 2008 1:03 PM
RobH said...: Myth Math:

Target is 2209
Yammerling uncovers 400 super-duper-secret-agent-bonus delegates with his next hit of acid.
The rest, as they say, is….fantasy.; May 25, 2008 1:03 PM
Independent Voter said...: Here is an excerpt from a Guam voter who voted for Obama: "Self-proclaimed "Democrat for a day" Janet Aguon, who voted for Pilar Lujan as party chairwoman, said her pick was Obama. "I can't see myself supporting Hillary," she said. "My reason is that she was out here in 1995 -- President Clinton in '98 -- and they both made promises that they didn't act on. She dares to make those same promises and comes back to us asking us for support. I think that's unconscionable."; May 25, 2008 1:03 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: softspoken, that is a great quote!

thanks; May 25, 2008 1:04 PM
Independent Voter said...: LOL Robh at "Myth Math:

Target is 2209
Yammerling uncovers 400 super-duper-secret-agent-bonus delegates with his next hit of acid.
The rest, as they say, is….fantasy."

---------

That's all Hillary supporters have at this point is MYTH and FANTASY. I wonder if they realize that they have a medication for that.; May 25, 2008 1:08 PM
Unknown said...: Aunt Jean: Obama is already over the 200 delegate lead - you forget the Pelosi factor.

Obama: 1980
Clinton: 1778
Difference: 202 <-----; May 25, 2008 1:12 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama needs a day off...

Thursday in Florida with the Jewish community

Friday in Florida with the Cuban-American community

Saturday in Puerto Rico

Sunday (today) in Connecticut he gave a wonderful commencement speech at Wesleyan - it's a shame that CNN on TV cut him off before he got to all the good parts - CNN live stream on the computer played it in full

OBAMA/Sebelius

OBAMA/Lincoln

OBAMA/Chafee

OBAMA/Casey

OBAMA/Anyone But HRC

.; May 25, 2008 1:15 PM

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