Democratic Convention Watch: Open Thread

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

Open Thread

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Mike in Maryland said...: jean said...
Leah,
Check out the new Head to Head Poll on RealClearPolitics in North Carolina.
It is very surprising.

How so?

SurveyUSA is one polling firm. There are others.

Do you know what an outlier poll is? If not, go to http://www.pollster.com/presbushapproval.php for an example of how outlier polls can skew the results unless you look at the history of the polls, take into account various scenarios, and do a 'poll of polls'.

Mike; May 20, 2008 7:15 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Considering what the numbers look like coming out of Kentucky it doesn't look like she is going to pick up a very big margin of extra pop. votes to add to her total.

My guess is that Obama will pick up a bigger margin of pop. vote out of Oregon then HRC does out of Kentucky.; May 20, 2008 7:17 PM
Yamaka said...: Hello Democrats:

CNN is calling KY for Hillary with potentially 30% margin, as expected.

To ALL the BHO Propaganda Crowd:

1. What is the difference between John Kerry and BHO?

Both are FAR LEFT Liberals, as is Ted Kennedy.

But remember, even if these Liberal icons' help, BHO could not win MA, CA.

Kerry got 59 million votes in the GE, but got only 251 EVs.

This portends a repetition of History, if BHO is the Nominee.

Hillary can be the savior of the Democratic Party:

1913 + 102 + 200 = 2215 TDs, a few more than 2209 for the Nomination.

SDs, save the Party from another humiliating defeat in 2008.

My heart goes out to Ted Kennedy, a true champion of working America. Almost 50 years of tireless dedicated service to the betterment of quality of life in America.

God will bless you, Ted.
Recover soon, America needs you.; May 20, 2008 7:19 PM
Peter said...: RE Leah

Yes, I don`t think here popular vote margin will be more than 100 000-120 000. It is 25 000 at the moment with 25% counted, more urban than rural votes counted so far, so I think Clinton will do a bit better, perhapes by more than 30%. It is 14% so far, but she could at least double it, because of more rural voters to come.

I think the turnout here will be less than 1 mill, OR is expected to be more than 1 mill, so I don`t think Clinton will gain much in popular vote today. If she nets 30-50 000 combined she would still be more than 550 000 votes behind (not countin IA, NV, WA and ME).; May 20, 2008 7:25 PM
jean said...: Hey, Forgot to say hello.
Hello.
I do understand that this could a an outlier poll but you have to admit it is a jump.
In reference for the frustration,
come on, do you really think that they only got ahold of Obama supporters when there hardly were any.
Survey USA is much more detailed than most polls.
Check out the column that askes if you would change your mind and it runs between 50-60% for Obama.
You can look at their polls and it is pretty consistant.
Hillarys is between 20to45%.
The same goes for the Oregan Poll.
jean; May 20, 2008 7:26 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Peter-

Did you see my post to you on the last page regarding Al Gore and Florida?

Dinner time here - be back later ;); May 20, 2008 7:27 PM
jean said...: Oregon:); May 20, 2008 7:28 PM
ed iglehart said...: regarding not inhaling, didn't the goodwife publish a recipe for oatmeal cookies?

xx
ed; May 20, 2008 7:33 PM
Peter said...: RE Leah

Lol, we thin alike.
I`m not as sure as I was regarding Edwards endorsing after WV(i predicted that), but Gore endorsing tomorrow in FL would just fit perfect. Obama campaign has controlled a lot of the timing regarding some important endorsements etc, I wouldn`t be surprised if they have been talking to Gore. Gore would never endorse before Obama has reached the pledged delegate majority (because of 04-story), but after KY and OR Obama will have won the majority of pledged delegates (he has secured 11 in KY so far and lacks 3 or 4) and he will more or less won the popular vote count. There is no way Clinton will win Puerto Rico with 600 000 votes.; May 20, 2008 7:38 PM
JayW said...: Still waiting for a HRC supporter to step up and place money on HRC getting the nomination...

Come on smack talkers... we all know she wont get the nomination.

If any of you truly BELIEVE that she will, put your money where your mouth is... I will cover ANY amount.

But, until someone is actually willing to... we all know that your arguments are only meant to incite. The race is over and has been for a long time. Obama won.

If you disagree... take me up on my offer and bet me. What do you have to lose if you are "sure" she will get the nomination?

No doubt no one will... that to me is PRICELESS!!!!; May 20, 2008 7:44 PM
jean said...: Hello Yamaka,
I am going for a glass of red wine this evening:)
I am hoping for a surprise in Oregon like the poll on RealClearPolitics for North Carolina.
Check it out.
It will make you smile.
jean; May 20, 2008 7:47 PM
Keryl said...: Leah, don't be so sure. I suspect that many of the pro Hillary posts here are actually pro-repubs. You can see the turn already start to happen with the anti-democratic party rhetoric of Yamaka.

How about we all turn to speculating on how the convention will go? I've posted on another page that I think in the end Hillary will release her delegates at the last minute and that there will be unified vote for Obama. Any other thoughts?; May 20, 2008 7:48 PM
Cat said...: If the Super Delegates end up having to vote at the convention, will their votes be public or private? I have to wonder if certain Super Delegates would vote according to their endorsements if the voting was private. I think some Super Delegates are endorsing one candidate or the other because of public opinion. I wonder if their votes were kept secret - like ours (the people are) if they might vote differently. Just a thought.

I am amazed how some of these Super Delegates can't be patient and wait until all of the Primaries are over before backing one candidate or the other. I think it is disrespectful and I have a low opinion of those who endorse a candidate the day a primary is being held and the results aren't even in. I have an even lower opinion of those who don't endorse according to the vote in their state.; May 20, 2008 7:55 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: catharine -

Hillary 'used to' have the lead in Super Delegates. Many SDs came out and endorsed her early on in this nomination race.

Now the tide has turned and it is Obama getting the majority of the newer SD endorsements.

No one was complaining back when it was Hillary that was getting the endorsements from the SDs.

The rules are equal for both candidates.; May 20, 2008 8:02 PM
Peter said...: Yes, she could do that. I`m pretty sure Clinton wil withdraw the after june 3th and after MI and FL is seated. I think MI and FL is important for her to withdraw, she needs them to be seated but it will be a compromize of some sort, probably 69-59 in MI and a 50% penalty in both states. Clinton needs this as a "symbolic" win.
I think Clinton will show that she is 100% for Obama when she withdraws. I do think she has behaved in a bad manner, but I also think she will do the right thing for the party when she admit her loss. I do think she is 100% for the party.; May 20, 2008 8:02 PM
Hippolytus said...: catherine said:
"I am amazed how some of these Super Delegates can't be patient and wait until all of the Primaries are over before backing one candidate or the other. I think it is disrespectful and I have a low opinion of those who endorse a candidate the day a primary is being held and the results aren't even in."
________
catherine, why you are amazed, when the DNC Chairman (Dean) and Congressional leadership has been begging supers to come out sooner than later?
Personally, I don't have a problem with supers who come out before the voting, but agree with you that they should follow the vote of their constituency (state vote for Govs and Sens, CDs for Reps) if they haven't the courage to endorse before the vote. DNCs who hold elective office (like Carole Migden in CA) should follow their constituencies, too.; May 20, 2008 8:09 PM
Independent Voter said...: She's making her "victory" speech in KY, I wonder how many times she's going to ask for money.; May 20, 2008 8:16 PM
Cat said...: No one was complaining back when it was Hillary that was getting the endorsements from the SDs."

Ummm, there was alot of negative talk about that back then. As a matter of fact, I was not aware of Super Delegates but for that.; May 20, 2008 8:21 PM
Peter said...: Her problem is that OR results is coming in after her victory speach some Obama will get most of the positive attention.; May 20, 2008 8:21 PM
Hippolytus said...: Victory, victory, is our cry
V-I-C-T-O-R-Y
Can we, will we, do our best?
Barack Obama, yes, yes, yes!!!; May 20, 2008 8:24 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Independent voter-

She already told everyone to go to her website to help (donate).

Unbelievable! LOL!

I wish she would hurry up and get that $20,000,000 back that she is in debt so she can go home!; May 20, 2008 8:26 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: In Kentucky OBAMA has won more votes than McCain so far ;); May 20, 2008 8:31 PM
Independent Voter said...: Begging for money ticker -

1 - 8:21 ET (as the people of KY chant it - hillaryclinton.com - with her less than 5 minutes in.)

On a side note - she still BSing about MI/FL

I'm sure that Obama doesn't appreciate being called a "she".

She's STILL bragging that she took $400 from an 11 year old who sold his bike and video games to "support" her campaign. First off she should be ASHAMED of herself for accepting it, and the kids parents should be ASHAMED of themselves for knowing that his money was being WASTED on a FAILING campaign.

WOW! It's a record! She only begged for money ONCE!; May 20, 2008 8:35 PM
suzihussein22 said...: independent voter-I wouldn't have a problem with changing the currency. For me, it's because the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.

This primary is becoming anti-climactic.I found all kinds of info on McCain already and can't wait to find out the best way to volunteer, which, by the way is close to hillbilly country. I'm not going to knock the people that are salt of the earth. I think we're seeing a cultural bias as much as anything.; May 20, 2008 8:40 PM
Amot said...: She has 3 more hours to beg for money and claim she is winning the night!

I hate her because of the divisive speech she gave today! But she saved a big shame for Obama - he is non viable in single CD for first time this year...; May 20, 2008 8:40 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Yeah -- I can't believe she is still bragging about taking that little boy's bike money!!! And to top it off she said she met him this week. I was waiting for her to say that she took him a new bike!!! BUT NO!!! How shameful that IS!

I wish Senator Obama would have his staff find that kid and take him a new bicycle!; May 20, 2008 8:41 PM
Independent Voter said...: leah,

that would be absolute poetic justice.; May 20, 2008 8:46 PM
suzihussein22 said...: interesting...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/20/mccain-adviser-steps-down-to-avoid-working-against-obama/

Getting him a new bike would be a great idea. A scholarship would be good too.; May 20, 2008 8:50 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: What the heck is the matter with 15,097 Democrats in Kentucky voting uncommitted!

After Obama becomes President then I think he needs to send some more teachers into Kentucky and WV and get them folks some education ;)
.; May 20, 2008 8:52 PM
Independent Voter said...: softspoken - giving him a "scholarship" is probably an even better idea. That way he couldn't SELL it again to give the money to a FAILED campaign.; May 20, 2008 8:59 PM
Independent Voter said...: leah, LOL.......I'm trying to figure that one out too.; May 20, 2008 8:59 PM
Yamaka said...: Folks:

As of now Hillary has a Popular Vote lead of a net of about 180K with KY MI and FL.

Let us wait for OR.

I predict a net lead of about 150K after OR.

Must be a good day for the First Woman POTUS.

A very bad day for all the anti-women crowd that infests this DCW Site.

SDs, you can save the Party from the State of Total Annihilation in the Fall 2008.

Remember what happened to Mondale, Dukakis and Kerry - the perennial losers! America cannot take anymore of bleeding FAR LEFT Liberal. Carter had it, and ruined it spectacularly!

:-); May 20, 2008 9:00 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: softspoken22-

WOW! How about that!
I love this part of that article:

"In a 2007 interview with Cox News, McKinnon said he would vote for McCain, but "I just don't want to work against an Obama candidacy." He added that if Obama were to reach the White House, it "would send a great message to the country and the world."

.; May 20, 2008 9:01 PM
Emit R Detsaw said...: Not sure if Edwards was still on the ballot, but know he got a lot of votes in WV, so some of the undecided could be that crowd. More of a statement vote.

Good win Hillary. Nice to send you off on a high note.; May 20, 2008 9:03 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: April fund raising:

Obama 31 million

Clinton 22 million; May 20, 2008 9:03 PM
RobH said...: Tough result in KY tonight.
Turnout projected at 500K will be more like 650K. Margin projected at 28pts, maybe more like 30-35pts.
Pop vote edge projected at 150K, more like 225K. Those are tough numbers. Doesn't change the underlying math (or even the pop vote myth math (oohhh I like that, 'myth math'.))

I'll tell you this, though. I will NEVER look at the Ohio River valley the same way again. From SW PA, through WV, between southern Ohio and Kentucky. Man oh man, what a demographic! I know somebody above said we're just seeing a 'cultural distinction' or 'cultural differences', but....geez.

My brother lives in southern Ohio (at least in a city (Dayton)), and he used to tell me scary stories of the folks down Cincinnati way. I never really believed him. Now I do.; May 20, 2008 9:03 PM
Independent Voter said...: 20% of those who voted in KY that the stereotype was ACCURATE!

21% admitted that race was an important factor in their decision and 9 of 10 of them voted for guess who - the WHITE candidate!

I have absolutely NO PROBLEM calling a spade a spade - RACISTS!; May 20, 2008 9:04 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Yamaka-

There are NO anti-women folks on DCW.

There are some women like ME that don't like Hillary because of her character - it is not because of her gender.

You are being offensive by assuming that the WOMEN on this website are sexist!

I would love to vote for a woman president someday - just NOT HRC!

.; May 20, 2008 9:09 PM
RobH said...: Yam says:

"SDs, you can save the Party from the State of Total Annihilation in the Fall 2008. Just follow me."

Too funny.; May 20, 2008 9:09 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Interesting....

Richardson to campaign for Obama in Puerto Rico

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/20/richardson-to-campaign-for-obama-in-puerto-rico/

.; May 20, 2008 9:16 PM
Amot said...: Leah, 16K uncommitted means:
1. We are sexists, no women, please!
2. We are racists, no blacks, please!
3. What the heck is wrong with Edwards to endorse a n****?

So basically you see that racism is very strong there and instead of getting 5% Edwards is getting only 2% due to his endorsement to AA!; May 20, 2008 9:18 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Okay-

West Virginia has only 5 electoral votes in the General Election

Kentucky has only 8

Obama can win the General Election with those two backward states!; May 20, 2008 9:19 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Amot-

I agree with your last post.

Ya know, one thing I have learned from this election is that I would NEVER want to live in West Virginia or Kentucky with all of those racists!

.; May 20, 2008 9:22 PM
Oregon Dem said...: One hour and 40 minutes till Oregon votes start getting counted. Results will start coming out fast and then slow for a bit.

Sec of State says minimum of 50% of all registered voters will vote, but that interest in the Dem Primary is high (we have a closed primary).

Today's news reports were that drop off sites (for people who did not mail in their ballot on time) were overflowing and had to be transported to the election departments every two hours cause they were full.

When those arrive at the county elections division the signature is checked and placed in a box to be optically scanned starting at 8pm and the counties will send periodic reports into the Sec of States office....

Cannot wait to start looking at some of those county by county numbers... :-); May 20, 2008 9:22 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: MSNBC just said that Senator Obama is scheduled to speak in an hour or less.

.; May 20, 2008 9:24 PM
Pablo said...: Great night in Kentucky for the Hill and her supporters. Congrats.; May 20, 2008 9:24 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Oregon Dem-

I am ready for O R E G O N !

;); May 20, 2008 9:25 PM
tmess2 said...: While speculating about the next 24 hours or so in unpledged delgate endorsements, I have two names to throw out -- Representative Kucinich and Senator Biden. So far, of the six former candidates, Senator Obama has gotten all three who have endorsed -- Dodd, Edwards, and Richardson. Since Senator Gravel is off discussing a third party candidacy, when do Kucinich and Biden make it unanimous?; May 20, 2008 9:28 PM
ed iglehart said...: Job opportunity! No experience needed! Apply here!

;-)
ed; May 20, 2008 9:30 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 20, 2008 9:36 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Well it looks like it won't be Kentucky and it WILL BE Oregon that puts Obama over the hump for the majority of pledged delegates!

That is good cause Oregon is better than Kentucky ;)

OBAMA - our next President of the UNITED States of America!; May 20, 2008 9:38 PM
judyob said...: If you want to know about the people of West Virginia, see if you can find the film "Dancing Outlaw". It's a documentary made for WV PBS (yes, they do have PBS there), but they pulled it because they were so embarrassed. It will explain everything.; May 20, 2008 9:40 PM
Yamaka said...: pablo:

Thanks for your generosity.

___________________________________

I believe even after OR Hillary will be leading comfortably ahead in PV when you consider ALL votes polled.

We need 50 STATE STRATEGY to win the GE with 350 EVs.

Anti-Women crowd can go to their Church/Mosque and chant

:Ooo,...Osabbassmmmma... OOoooom

to purify their corrupted souls!

:-(; May 20, 2008 9:42 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: The person in the General Election with 270 EVs wins ;)

Obama will win the GE ;)

OBAMA '08/'12; May 20, 2008 9:46 PM
Amot said...: Judyob,
I second Leah that I better not hear about KY and WV anymore. Clinton set a trap for them playing the race card im March and they felt in! BIG! I am glad I don't know anyone who lives there... Leah I second you that OR deserves to make him the nominee :); May 20, 2008 9:46 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: KENTUCKY

Obama 207,484
McCain 142,290

woohooo ;); May 20, 2008 9:54 PM
RobH said...: Hold on a sec, Leah,

Kentucky could still do the honor (wouldn't that be delicious? While spanking Obama, they also put him over the top in delegates. Sweet.)

Obama had 1612.5 going in, and at this moment, CNN's got it 34:14, with three unallocated. So at this sec, he's got 1626.5....exactly 1/2 of 3253. The next delegate to go his way, is it. Will he get one of the last three?; May 20, 2008 9:55 PM
tmess2 said...: One question about Clinton's popular vote count -- If the Michigan and Florida Advisory Primaries count, why isn't the Washington Advisory Primary included? That is another 38,000 net for Obama (and presumably more net from Idaho in a week given how disrespectful the Clinton's have been to Idaho).

Currently the voters in Washington and Idaho are not counted by the Clinton version of the popular vote since the caucuses in those states only reports delegates so including the advisory primaries would not be double counting.; May 20, 2008 9:57 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: MSNBC just said that the Obama campaign has sent out an email saying that they have won the 'majority' of pledged delegates!; May 20, 2008 9:57 PM
Oregon Dem said...: Awww - Thanks guys - Oregon deserves something great to happen and something great will.

I do wonder why Obama is speaking before the votes start rolling in and he is projected the winner.

PS I went to the store since my last post and listened to a Portland radio station (620KPOJ our only progressive station and they interupted Rachael Madeaux with a traffic report - the only stop and go traffic was in front of the two county election centers for Washington and Multnomah Countys!

Obama/Leah 08!

;-); May 20, 2008 9:58 PM
judyob said...: Leah, I just received that e-mail. Can't wait for his speech.; May 20, 2008 10:02 PM
Yamaka said...: Dear Democrats:

How the field has been tilted from Day One of this Primary Season against Hillary:

1. Liberal MSM has been coronating BHO as the Messiah, the Savior of the world and the universe.

2. Rezko, Wright, Ayers, U of Chic and Rashid Khalidi all were there from Day One; but they were NOT interested in investigating BHO thoroughly.

3. The Democratic Party acted undemocratically regarding MI and FL. The indolent inept incompetent MSM did not want to ask the logic of it all when they know the GOP pulled the plug on them, especially in FL.

4. The Real Hurdle is 2209 and not 2025, which they have been parroting for a long time.

5. The anti-Bill Clinton and the anti-Women Gang colluded with the Liberal MSM to mug Hillary in the broad day light.

6. But the Majority of the Americans knew this plot, and are supporting Hillary till the last minute.

I predict on June 4th Hillary will have the clear lead on Popular Vote.

This delegate counts are just massive manipulation of the Party to pander to the Minority, and to ignore the Majority.

Majority Will Succeed.

SDs, do you want to ask the Majority to stay at the Back of the Bus? Think of the historical implications of what you itch to do.

Go Hillary Go. Stay and Fight all the way to the Convention.

Because American Majority Electorates want you to do it. Obey their tall order.

Down Down with the Minority Manipulations.

Cheer, Smile and Vote for the First Woman POTUS.

:-); May 20, 2008 10:02 PM
Amot said...: RobH check my comments on the special results thread. There is no way for KY to deliver the majority to Obama. He will praise OR, he will praise IA and will secure the two states as he did with MI last week :); May 20, 2008 10:02 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Obama is going to talk while everyone is still awake.

It is after 9pm here and after 10pm in New York now.

Tomorrow is a work day so he would want to talk early enough to reach the most people ;)

Those darn polls close too late there in Oregon!; May 20, 2008 10:02 PM
Anonymous said...: Get thumped in KY and then give a victory speach?
WOW, what adunce; May 20, 2008 10:29 PM
Amot said...: Obama has just won Iowa!

One battleground state less :))

And what a difference between the two speeches!; May 20, 2008 10:34 PM
Anonymous said...: 90+% AA vote for Obama is just politics.
65+% of whites vote for Clinton
and it is Racist.
The voters in WV and KY just have more sense than AA's in the south.; May 20, 2008 10:34 PM
Anonymous said...: Obama claims victory in La La Land, then sips his own cool_aid and crunches some leachie nuts.; May 20, 2008 10:37 PM
Hippolytus said...: Jim said...

"Get thumped in KY and then give a victory speach?
WOW, what adunce"
_____________

Hillary won the battle of KY (congrats to her on that); Obama has won the war. Time for you to get out of grief stage 2 (denial).
********
What a stemwinder by Obama. My hero...and yours (I hope).; May 20, 2008 10:40 PM
Amot said...: Jim,
why so much hate?; May 20, 2008 10:42 PM
Oregon Dem said...: Obama just made a great speach.

DCW has the numbers right now with 15 mins to go for the first votes in Oregon to be reported.

1626.5 Pledged for Obama (0.5 short of 1627). As soon as one county reports one set of numbers Obama is over that hurdle.

Chills are running up my spine as much today as when when Bobby Kennedy spoke to us back in '68....; May 20, 2008 10:49 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Wooohoo what a great speech!

Come on Oregon - I am ready!

Obama '08; May 20, 2008 10:49 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Oregon Dem -

I turned 9 years old in 1968 so this is my 'Kennedy era' equivalent happening right now!

I do remember watching JFK's funeral on TV before I went to kindergarten ;)

What an awesome day this has been - and it ain't over yet!

.; May 20, 2008 10:52 PM
Oregon Dem said...: Oregon will be posting the results here:

http://www.sos.state.or.us/elections/enr_pre8pm.html

starting at 8pm (8 mins); May 20, 2008 10:53 PM
Amot said...: I expect 55% turnout in OR and Dems turnout of 75-80%. Also 750-800K Dems votes. If Obama wins by 20% he will cut 150K popular vote.; May 20, 2008 10:56 PM
RobH said...: Jim said:

"90+% AA vote for Obama is just politics.
65+% of whites vote for Clinton
and it is Racist.
The voters in WV and KY just have more sense than AA's in the south."

Not sure where you're going here.

In KY exit polls, 20% said race was important, and they went 9 out of 10 for Hillary. Does that make Hillary is racist? No.

Nationally, 80+% of AA go for Obama. Does that make Obama racist? No.

Obama has won this nomination on the backs of WHITE voters, don't you get it?

"The voters in WV and KY just have more sense than AA's in the south."

No. The voters in WV and KY are 4% and 9% respectively of the electorate. And the 96% and 91%, respectively, of those state's electorate have made it clear where they stand on race.

Thankfully for all of us, EXCEPT FOR YOU, the rest of the nation is not following this pattern.

Good bye, Jim. You are yesterday. I won't miss you.; May 20, 2008 10:57 PM
Oregon Dem said...: First numbers 62 - 34 for Obama in Oregon!; May 20, 2008 11:02 PM
RobH said...: The AA voters in WV and KY are....; May 20, 2008 11:05 PM
Amot said...: It is coming huge for Obama with 11% in he made 40K difference! Can he win the 250K popular he lost in KY? And it looks like 1M votes will come for the Dems!!!; May 20, 2008 11:06 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Hillary Hillary our next POTUS!!!! You have to admit that was a great win. I know obama will win oregon probable so but ky. is still a great win. Jean; May 20, 2008 11:21 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: NEW numbers on the side bar

Total delegates needed to win the nomination:

OBAMA 93
Clinton 269; May 20, 2008 11:21 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Peter obama only won NC by 222859 votes not 250000 votes. Jean; May 20, 2008 11:24 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: The Kübler-Ross model of grief:
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

Folks, there have been a few posters who are in the Denial stage. It looks like one has progressed to the Anger stage.

It will be interesting to see how quickly those certain posters progress through the five stages, or if they get caught in one stage without progressing, and thus make their possible contributions to the discussion very irrelavent.

What I do think is probable is that we will go through a couple of weeks of 'rough water' as a couple of posters go from Denial to Anger, and take it out on the rest of the posters. I predict that at least one will stay in the Denial stage, but it in with the Anger stage, and will not quickly progress past the Anger stage, if that particular person passes that stage at all.

My advice - absolutely and totally ignore the posts made in anger. The Anger stage needs feedback to keep going. If none is given, there is a good probability the person will more quickly enter the remaining three stages.

Mike; May 20, 2008 11:24 PM
Pablo said...: I've seen a few stuck in the state of Delusion......where is that on the chart?; May 20, 2008 11:28 PM
suzihussein22 said...: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#OR

I didn't see anything on OR Dem's link a few minutes ago.

Congrats to KY HRC supporters.; May 20, 2008 11:28 PM
suzihussein22 said...: pablo- "Y" do you ask about charts? :); May 20, 2008 11:29 PM
Aunt Jean said...: If Hillary has behaved badly then has behaved worst!!! Jean; May 20, 2008 11:32 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: softspoken-

I couldn't find anything on that other site either.

I use the CNN site you posted, that one is pretty quick at updating.

You just must remember to refresh the page every now and again ;); May 20, 2008 11:33 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Chuck Todd on MSNBC is discussing rumors of the May 31 RBC meeting will cut MI and FL by 50% - but only pledged- OR superdelegates, not both.

Not sure which MI scenario he discussed, but either way, it won't look good for Senator Clinton's probability to have any better chance after that meeting than tonight.

Also being discussed is how the superdelegates might react if Hillary plays tough at the RBC meeting. If she goes in with no intention of playing ball, the supers may, in effect, tell her to go home by making en masse announcements of Obama endorsements.

Mike; May 20, 2008 11:34 PM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 20, 2008 11:36 PM
Aunt Jean said...: robh no that doesn't mean that he's racist but it does say that blacks vote for blacks and that is not meant as an insult.Plus having the media behind helped a whole lot. Just fact! Jean; May 20, 2008 11:36 PM
JayW said...: Still waiting for ANYONE to take me up on my bet offer...

If ANY of you HRC supporters think that she will get the nomination, put your money where your mouth is. I will cover ANY bet amount.

Come on Yam... the math works for you right? Bet me little man. You talk a lot... not a lot of action though.

Of course, by no one actually taking the bet... it totally proves that no one actually BELIVES that HRC has any chance at the nomination.

PRICELESS!!!!!

OBAMA 08; May 20, 2008 11:37 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike in Maryland-

I'm listening to MSNBC too.

It looks like the numbers will stay in Obama's court.

Now we just have to let the clock run out - giving Hillary time to wind down her campaign and start to unite the party behind Obama :); May 20, 2008 11:37 PM
Aunt Jean said...: thanks Pablo. Jean; May 20, 2008 11:38 PM
RobH said...: Just heard pundit-ocracy restate what I said before:

If Hillary's supporters in the RBC mtg on 5/31 press for an inequitable, Hillary only, solution to FL and MI, the SD's will flock to Obama and it's over.

If they don't press too hard, i.e. they 'play ball', then it's over, mathematically.

Either way, it's over (on 6/4.0

PS Aunt Jean, as you gave me thumbs up on Obama's NC, win, here's 'props' to you on KY for Hill. I may have a problem with the whole demographic thing, but a win's a win...so....; May 20, 2008 11:39 PM
Oregon Dem said...: Sorry all - the post that I first sent was the "Pre 8PM block" page.

Here is the we now allow you to see it page.

https://secure.sos.state.or.us/eim/goToElectionResults.do?actionId=viewLoad&mode=view; May 20, 2008 11:39 PM
JayW said...: What about you Aunty Jean?

You run your mouth almost as much as anyone in support of HRC.

Want to place money on her getting the nomination?

I thought not... even though you sound stupid in your posts... you even have more common sense than that.

PRICELESS!!!!; May 20, 2008 11:40 PM
Anonymous said...: Robh (spokesman for allbut two) HaHa
If I am yesterdays news, you are no news,
I hope I get the chance to miss you!
Say OUCH!; May 20, 2008 11:42 PM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 20, 2008 11:45 PM
RobH said...: Hey Mike in Md, I've maybe have never addressed a post directly to you. Now I have.

Just read your post re Chuck Todd's analysis, submitted at more or less the same time as I did mine (11:34 you, 11:39 me.) And Leah's at same (11:37).

Something UNITITNG to know you sit in Baltimore, Leah in Houston, I in North Jersey, hearing the same, feeling the same, believing the same, hoping the same.....; May 20, 2008 11:46 PM
Aunt Jean said...: robh there was only 11% that said race was important. Jean; May 20, 2008 11:46 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Yep-

Obama is uniting America already and he isn't even President yet!

Just think how awesome it will be in January 2009 when he takes the Oath of Office!

Obama '08/'12; May 20, 2008 11:51 PM
JayW said...: UPDATE-----

Aunt Jean and Yam silent in their support of HRC when her money is involved... not willing to bet.

(Who knew either could actually be silent about anything?)

More updates later.; May 20, 2008 11:52 PM
Anonymous said...: The atheist in Oregon are going strong for Obama.; May 20, 2008 11:53 PM
RobH said...: Jimbo,

I was hoping for you'd to get back to me, old timer.

I got news for you, dude (proper Texan term, ya?):

You are half as clever as you think you are, and twice as sure of your self as you ought to be.

Speaking for all but two that is.

But, hey, go ahead and call a vote if you don't believe me....

So long....; May 20, 2008 11:54 PM
Aunt Jean said...: softspoken22 thanks Jean; May 20, 2008 11:55 PM
RobH said...: Hey Mike,

I've got Aunt Jean in Denial, Yamaka in Anger, but believe it or not, Jim is past Bargaining, and all the way up to Depression. He's close, I can feel it. He's just, kinda bummed, and sorta defeatist. But almost there. He's on the cusp of Acceptance, I know he is.; May 20, 2008 11:59 PM
Oregon Dem said...: RobH, Leah, Amot, jpsedona, Ed in Scotland, Mike in Maryland, Woodland Sprite, counter jellybean, softspoken (and dang there are a few others but their tags escape me at the moment).

What happens when Senator Clinton concedes? I like reading your thoughts and posts and apparantly agree with your political tilt.

We should figure a way in which we can keep up the interaction...; May 21, 2008 12:00 AM
Anonymous said...: Good for you RobH. Even the ignorant need a spokesman and I vote for you.; May 21, 2008 12:01 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Hey Robh then there is me not 10 Minutes from Leah and I'm a block for all this feeling LOL LOL Jean; May 21, 2008 12:04 AM
Oregon Dem said...: My question for the night is this:

Will the Pekosi Club super delegates declare soon?

OR...

Will they do what Chuck Todd said and wait until after the RBC meeting on the 31st and see what Senator Clinton does?

Thoughts?; May 21, 2008 12:07 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Catharine I totally agree with you. One more thing for a SD to jump ship is so terrible. There have been a couple because of pressure. He didn't have any b###s if you know what I mean.There was a add on that was picked because he supported Hillary that lasted 10 whole days what a jerk.I would have to believe that he was a plant.There was some PD's that said that they would switch but if they did that then who they switched from could replace them. There was a person on here that said that they needed to shut up about it until the convention. Isn't that sorry of both parties. Jean

May 20, 2008 11:45 PM; May 21, 2008 12:08 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 21, 2008 12:09 AM
Aunt Jean said...: hipp thanks Jean; May 21, 2008 12:09 AM
Anonymous said...: Robh,
Got to unsaddle the old bedroll, but just one more GIG for you.
I got a gal for you down here, chews, spits and loves your attitude. Before she commits, she insists you divorce your sister.; May 21, 2008 12:10 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: JayW -

People are not going to bet with you. First of all it is illegal. Secondly, they would have to exchange personal info with you which is not safe to do on the computer. So it would be best to drop it - it's getting old already ;); May 21, 2008 12:10 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave cnn said it was 11%. on race .Jean; May 21, 2008 12:11 AM
Amot said...: Oregon Dem,
I would give my thoughts tomorrow (or later today my local time!)
I am trying to keep the info on OR and KY updated on the results thread, so please, excuse me but I enjoy you state right now :); May 21, 2008 12:11 AM
Yamaka said...: Hello BHO Supporters:

Congrats. You deserve one in OR.

But today is a Day that will live in History Books that

HRC is the First Candidate who got the most popular vote in any Primary Election since the Birth of our Union, and that she is the First Woman too.

Hillary is the toughest campaigner that the world has ever witnessed, ever.

She NEVER EVER gives up. The entire MSM punditry pulls her down, and she comes right back up. That's the tenacity of purpose, the passion to serve ALL Americans. Grateful Nation always salutes the Champions of hard work.

Dreams come true only to the doers and not to just talkers. Fuzzy talk is cheap. Do it and make new History. Hillary made New History today.

BHO crows about change. But Hillary has delivered the Change already. A change in the History Books.

She leads an awesome 220K in Popular Votes. PR is going to push her further up to the sky.

SDs: Listen carefully, never ever ask the Majority to sit at the Back of the Bus! Never.

Thank hard, and act fast.

:-); May 21, 2008 12:12 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: RobH said...
I've got Aunt Jean in Denial, Yamaka in Anger, but believe it or not, Jim is past Bargaining . . . .

Rob,

I classify them as in Denial (but verging on Anger(, Denial and Anger, in that order. It will be very interesting to see how they 'perform' when they get to the Bargaining stage (but what are their bargaining chips?), or if they will even post here anymore.

One or two may take up McSame's challenge to go blog on other sites (translation - increase the noise factor to the point the sites get shut down). If I were an administrator at DailyKos, for example, I'd be clamping down so hard it wouldn't be funny.

Mike; May 21, 2008 12:12 AM
suzihussein22 said...: OR Dem-Thank you. I really appreciate the sentiment. I would love to figure out a way to keep a blog going, but I'm not computer-minded. There's also Ariane, independent voter, Pablo, and now my mind fails me.

Aunt Jean-Does this mean you've decided not to vote for McCain?; May 21, 2008 12:15 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Oregon Dem-

We can all meet here in November for the General Election. I am sure this website will have lots of things going on between now and inauguration day ;)

Yamaka- She does not have the popular vote. You CAN NOT count Michigan and Florida until the DNC says you can. Even then Obama will have won the popular vote as of June 4th.

RobH or was it Oregon Dem? - I don't think the Pelosi Club will come out and endorse Obama until after June 3rd even though as of tonight he has the majority of pledged delegates. The Pelosi Club will probably wait until after the RBC decision and after the last primary of the season.

OBAMA '08; May 21, 2008 12:18 AM
Aunt Jean said...: There is one thing that I would like to say : My heart and prayers goes out to the Kennedy family. May he have a speedy recovery. Jean; May 21, 2008 12:19 AM
RobH said...: Jim,

you still crack me up, even though you are so.......worn out......; May 21, 2008 12:20 AM
tmess2 said...: Some of us who supported Hillary reached acceptance after Wisconsin. Math is math and statistics are statistics and wishful thinking doesn't change reality.; May 21, 2008 12:21 AM
RobH said...: Hey Jean, I'm still waitin' for a thx on my thumbs up re Hillary, tonight.

C'mon, girl....; May 21, 2008 12:21 AM
suzihussein22 said...: I don't know who started attacking who first, but this is interesting, too:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/; May 21, 2008 12:22 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Before all you Oregon folks get too big in the britches, just remember what the 'non-partison, impartial' Patrick Buchanan said about Oregon:

[paraphrasing] "Oregon is a strange state. It is the only state in the union that between 1960 and 1980, never voted for a Kennedy in any election, primary or general. They are SO strange that they voted for Eugene McCarthy over RFK in 1968."

Strange Ducks that live in Oregon.

VBG

Mike; May 21, 2008 12:22 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Dave I totally disagree with you about the little boy his parents should and probable are proud of him and when Clinton mentioned his name he was probable so proud of what he did.How can you take that away from him.Jean; May 21, 2008 12:24 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah she isn't going home hate to disappoint you LOL LOL LOL LOL Jean; May 21, 2008 12:25 AM
Oregon Dem said...: softspoken: yes Ariane, independent voter, Pablo are all good candidates for some future exchanges amonst us all.

I just had this thought that when Senator Clinton bows out and the nomination is decided off to the GE we go but we should not lose the camaraderie we seemed to have developed here.; May 21, 2008 12:28 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike in Maryland-

BUT regarding Oregon....

This is 2008 which is much different than the 60's and 80's ...

...well except maybe in WV and Kentucky were they seems to be living in the 1800's!; May 21, 2008 12:28 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Robh you are the one in denial not me sweetheart[ figure of speech] Jean; May 21, 2008 12:31 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah people in WV and KY don't live in the 1800's but I do. Someone that lives about 10 minutes away.Jean; May 21, 2008 12:32 AM
RobH said...: Oregon Dem,

My thinking is they will wait 'til after 6/3. They could come out after 5/31, but what's three days in the life of a politician? Hate to sound cynical, but I truly believe pol's are most interested in self preservation, and that includes not taking a position if they don't have to. So they wish it was decided by somebody else, or some other event.

PealClear Politics won't move the Pelosi Club unless they hear it from the horse's mouth, so to speak, and that means waffling and equivocation until 6/3.

But, as I said befor, this is over on 6/4.; May 21, 2008 12:33 AM
Yamaka said...: Folks, here is my new Math:

1949 + 72 + 190 = 2211 Total Delegate 2210 being the Real Hurdle.

Hillary will get atleast 72 out of the remaining delegates, and 190 of the undeclared SDs.

And, she will have the Total delegate lead by at least 100k by June 4th Morning.

SDs: Never ever defeat a Candidate with Majority Votes, Experience and world-wide Name Recognition. Americans want to get back the Paradise Lost! Bring the Clintons back. Make the economy soar and the dollar to flourish.

Folks:

BHO is good, but not YET experienced. He will be ready in 2016. His best days are ahead. Not now. By working hard in the Senate he WILL be a Presidential Timber, for sure. Not this year, though.

Cheer, Smile and Vote for Hillary the First Woman POTUS. :-); May 21, 2008 12:33 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Leah!!

I didn't say that!

Notice I said "the 'non-partison, impartial' Patrick Buchanan said" it.

As to where he lives, I think it's more like the 7th or 8th century, back in the Dark Ages of Europe. I also suspect that his ancestors were late emigrants to Ireland, as the Irish were the most educated people in Europe at that time, especially the monks in their monasteries.; May 21, 2008 12:34 AM
Yamaka said...: Ooops. Mistake

Popular vote lead by at least 100k by June 4th Morning!; May 21, 2008 12:35 AM
RobH said...: Aunt Jean,

If I don't get a shout out from you, re my wishing you good will about HRC's victory in KY tonight, I'm gonn bust a gut.

I've gotta say, regarding you, and Yam, and Jim...if it comes to a hoe-down, I'll hang w/ you. I'm convinced that Jim would kill any family gathering he ever goes to, and Yam is in is own world.....but you....; May 21, 2008 12:37 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike in Maryland-

Ooops ;); May 21, 2008 12:38 AM
Oregon Dem said...: Mike: Maybe I am a Beaver and not a Duck - lol (for those not in the know it is the Oregon State University Beavers and the University of Oregon Ducks)

Yup we are strange out here - we still have Ren fairs and take Halloween too seriously.

Someone earlier said "Oregon Aetheists" - true demographically 50% of Oregon citizens do not identify with ANY religion.

In the 60's and 70's look who we elected - the Republicans (like Tom McCall were MORE liberal than many in the Democratic Party today).

Look at our history - who was it that voted against the Gulf of Tonkin resolution.....?

So - yup as I have said RFK was my role model. I was pissed at Oregon in 68 and so happy with CA before my introduction to politics exploded later that evening. For both of those events the people in Oregon and California probably heard me wailing even though I lived in northern NJ at the time.; May 21, 2008 12:39 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Hillary the First Woman POTUS

POTUS in her case = Person Of The Utmost Silliness!
She and apparently her supporters are not good at math.
-------

VOTE OBAMA - the person that will bring back respect to America in the eyes of the World!

OBAMA / Kathleen Sebelius '08; May 21, 2008 12:43 AM
RobH said...: Mike in Md,

If you don't come clean on VBG, I'm gonna get upset. Try giving me the second letter of each....; May 21, 2008 12:46 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Here is something to ponder, so far ...

If you look at the numbers on CNN for Kentucky and Oregon

OBAMA is the ONLY one that has beaten McCain in both states this evening ;); May 21, 2008 12:48 AM
RobH said...: Oregon Dem,

I've gotta know...where did you live in Northern NJ in '68??; May 21, 2008 12:48 AM
rag218psu said...: If Hillary doesnt get the nomination, poll after poll shows that a majority wont vote for Obama, they'll go to McCain. We cant allow that to happen. More Obama supporters would vote for Clinton. Thats a no brainer. Also it seems the states that Obama has won tend to go Repub in the General Election, whereas she is winning the Dem states and most swing states. C'mon people Obama can't win the general election. It has to be Clinton or we are gonna get 4 more years of Bush. Go to the website and contribute. I just pledged $25 and I don't have much in the way of funds but I believe in Hillary's cause! I love you, Hillary!; May 21, 2008 12:50 AM
Oregon Dem said...: Lived in Madison, NJ from 63-71

Lived in Florham Park, NJ from day I was born till 63.

Moved to Indiana 71-75

Moved to Oregon in 75.

You?; May 21, 2008 12:54 AM
RobH said...: Hey Ed,

seems rag218psu took your advice from earlier.; May 21, 2008 12:56 AM
billyjay66 said...: on MSNC LATE NIGHT

Ron Regan Jr just said "If Appalachia were a country, Hillary would be President" Ouch!! That is unfortunately true.; May 21, 2008 12:58 AM
Oregon Dem said...: Leah:

I love your interesting "factoids"

;-)

Obama / Leah 08

double ;-); May 21, 2008 12:58 AM
RobH said...: Oregon Dem,

Born and raised in Westchester County, NY, moved to Bergen in '88 at age 30 (do the math.) Been in Hillsdale ever since.

"Hey, you from Jersey?
Yeah.
What Exit?
(168)"

How'd you come to be in Oregon?
(I'm kinda jealous.); May 21, 2008 12:59 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: rag218psu-

If you want your money to really help then go to www.BarackObama.com and donate there ;)

Donating to Obama will help us beat McCain.

Donating to Hillary at this point is only going to pay off her $20,000,000 campaign debt. Hillary and Bill have made over $109,000,000 in personal income since the day they left the White House - they can afford to pay off their own debts ;); May 21, 2008 1:00 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: RobH -

VBG = Very Big Grin ;); May 21, 2008 1:01 AM
RobH said...: Oregon Dem,

Didn't you let slip you're 55 earlier today? If so, you're born in NJ in '63, and except fpr four year in Indiana from age 8-12, you've been a 'left-coast'er ever since.

How so?; May 21, 2008 1:03 AM
RobH said...: Thx Leah, I'm such a newb.; May 21, 2008 1:03 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Amot hate is a very strong word. Jean; May 21, 2008 1:06 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Keryl no way or sould I say maybe only one way!Jean; May 21, 2008 1:08 AM
Oregon Dem said...: robh:

moved to Oregon to get an environmental law degree in 75 - got it in 78. Was into mountain climbing and hiking/camping and just could not head back east after being out here so just put down roots.

Dem precinct committee person, on city council for a bit but it interfered with my source of income :(

Only head back to east coast to see my Mom and my wife's parents. Believe it or not she grew up 1.5 miles from my house but we met out here in Oregon :-); May 21, 2008 1:08 AM
Kujo said...: I think the saddest campaining I have seen in this election is the sales job of trying to get Clinton elected because "Clinton supporters will not vote for Obama, so Obama supports better vote for Clinton."

The irony of the whole thing is that this is precisely the reason people support Obama, he bring people together and is out for the common good of the Country.

For those who are actually worried about this (I don't think anyone who is on this site) must realize that McCain has not be challenged yet. As we can see in the last week things will start to heat up. We have 6 months to go until the GC. Soon this race will be forgotten and once the battle between Obama and McCain heats up, these Clinton supports will quickly join in the battle.

As for donating 25 bucks to Clinton. Please save your money, at this stage of the game the money is just going into her pocket.; May 21, 2008 1:09 AM
suzihussein22 said...: I'll have to say, I wonder why HRC didn't just give financing to her campaign like Romney did.

I thought the OR results would have been added a little quicker than this.; May 21, 2008 1:10 AM
Oregon Dem said...: robh - do your math (do NOT act like Yamaka - lol) - yes i am 55 which means i was born in 53 not 63....; May 21, 2008 1:13 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah are you talking about obama again LOL LOL LOL Jean; May 21, 2008 1:14 AM
Aunt Jean said...: give it a break about the bike that would be a slap in the face.Jean; May 21, 2008 1:16 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: softspoken22 -

She did. She has 'loaned' her campaign 5 million the first time and then two more loans so the total now is over $11,400,000 so far. And maybe more if there was more in April that we haven't heard of before.

The kicker is she loaned the money to HER campaign with INTEREST to be paid back to her!

One of the reasons she has not dropped out is because the longer she stays in the more time she has to beg people to donate on her website. I think it is shameful.; May 21, 2008 1:17 AM
Aunt Jean said...: no softspoken22 that is wrong!! get it Jean; May 21, 2008 1:18 AM
Oregon Dem said...: Softspoken:

The ballots that were delvered to the County Elections Divisions today (lots of them) have to have signatures validated - so we get an initial high number and then they dribble in after that...; May 21, 2008 1:18 AM
Distance Dave said...: Seriously- it's time to tone it down.
We look at the differences between these two candidates, but if you graph out their positions on most issues, they are both about equal in comparison to their opponent on almost everything.

Barack
...needs to concede that FL should be seated, either at 50% or 100%.
...jumped the gun a little on claiming a majority with this issue up in the air.
...needs to bite the bullet and at least offer Hillary VP. I'm a big Sebelius fan, and never liked the idea sent to future generations of three decades of Bush/Clinton on the P/VP list, but this is needed.

Hillary
...needs to take the offer that the Michigan democratic party made on seating delegates. She wants them to be seated....but not like they are asking to be seated now?
...is starting to tone down her criticisms a bit, and it's helping.
...shouldn't do "fuzzy math" on counting delegates or votes. She agreed to this method, and you can't be a leader if you want to change the rules midway through to favor you. If something is wrong, work with the other sides and fix it.

Both of them have very similar goals of what the country should be doing at this time next year. They CANNOT do it without each others' active support, and yours.

..as for the kid who sold his bike, I think it's a ruse to get his parents' approval. Do you really think they would let him do it if he was donating to Clinton and they were McCain supporters?; May 21, 2008 1:19 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: RobH,

Leah beat me to defining VBG (I was involved in solving a problem on a support group site that I help moderate).

Thanx Leah!

Now another one for you Rob - Some of Yamakamikaze's earlier posts left me ROTFLMAO, but they have become pitiful expressions of his lack of sense of reality for the last three or four weeks.

If you want to know what an acronym means (such as ROTFLMAO), go to http://www.acronymfinder.com and enter it in the search box near the top of the page. Some have one or two entries (such as ROTFLMAO or ROTFLOL), but some have dozens of meanings. That means you have to consider the context of the usage to figure out which one fits.

Mike; May 21, 2008 1:21 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: chewwook-

I am sorry but I disagree.

No adult woman with a heart would take money from a 10 year old kid knowing that the money came from the selling of his bicycle.

She knew about this for over a week and then she meet this this kid recently. She should have taken him a new bike - then she would have won some brownie points.

But any woman that has as much personal wealth as she does that takes money from a 10 year old kid is shameful.

I am not moving from my opinion on this one.; May 21, 2008 1:25 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah you are making a mountain out of a mole hill LOL LOL LOL Jean; May 21, 2008 1:28 AM
Kujo said...: chewwook

Sorry your so wrong about Fl and MI, not that they will be seated, they will.

There is no way the DNC or the rules committe will change the rules that could possibly change the results of the race. Won't happen.

What will happen, 2 possibilities.

1. Now that Obama has won the pledge delegate battle (up 150 - 160 by end of night with 122 to go.) SD's will see that at best she will gain 10 pledged on him. SD's will then be pressured by party heads to make their choice public now for the good of the party. Obama will then have enough (way more then enough) delegates to win the nomination. Rules committee will meet and seat FL and Mi with at most 1/2 delegates with some formula for MI.

2. Not enough SD's will come over before the Rules Committe meeting. No change to the Rules and we go from there.; May 21, 2008 1:29 AM
Oregon Dem said...: Amot: - I know you are probably number crunching but I am feeling better about CD2 in Oregon (I believe it was you or jpsedona that had that one going for Senator Clinton 2-3 in pledged.

I have not checked all the county's and added them all up like you probably are, but I was right anyway about Hood River, Bend (Deschuetes County) and we agreed about Jackson.

All three are going 60 -40 for Obama.

Multnomah going 64% Obama to 35% Clinton could swing another delegate....???

and what impact is Lane County (University of Oregon DUCK land) going 62.5% for Obama have on CD4 when it comes to the state convention...?

That will sort itself out tomorrow (which I took off).; May 21, 2008 1:31 AM
RobH said...: Geez Mike, I'm not THAT lame. I know what ROTFloorLMAssOff means.

I'm happy to call myself a newb. Doesn't mean you can.

Oregon Dem, Sorry for the math. I'm usually pretty good at math as you've seen in my countdown posts. It's just a little late here on the East Coast. I'm born in '57, and can't imagine for the life of me how - for someone who is older that me - 55 - I concluded that they were born after me - '63.

Just brain freeze. Or too many celebratory cocktails....

Tonight's still a good night over all.; May 21, 2008 1:31 AM
suzihussein22 said...: Leah-I knew she loaned money to her campaign, but she didn't just give it. I think it would have shown a little more confidence to the country.

Aunt Jean-What was just wrong?; May 21, 2008 1:32 AM
suzihussein22 said...: OR Dem-Just getting a little impatient. I know how hard they must be working to ensure a fair, accurate total.; May 21, 2008 1:36 AM
RobH said...: Man oh Man Mike,

I just reread your post @ 1:21 and now I'm working myself up. Good God, man, I've got three boys, ages 17, 15, 13. Just 'cause I don't know VBG, you think I need a tutorial on abbreviations??? I'm the only one who's allowed to make fun of me here, get it?; May 21, 2008 1:37 AM
Aunt Jean said...: leah I do believe that you are being a solicitor?lol Jean; May 21, 2008 1:37 AM
suzihussein22 said...: robh-I am that lame. I didn't know what the first half of that acronym meant. I was getting ready to go to that website. lol ;); May 21, 2008 1:38 AM
RobH said...: softspoken,

I laughed out loud as I read your post....Still laughing...tears...; May 21, 2008 1:41 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah no you are shameful on your 1:17 am post. Don't you ever get tired of putting Hillary our next POTUS down the best electable person the other one is unelectable. Jean; May 21, 2008 1:43 AM
Aunt Jean said...: robh I'm sorry I thought I had said thanks about KY. While I'm at it congrts. on oregon. Jean; May 21, 2008 1:45 AM
Aunt Jean said...: billyjay66 both reagan an jr is useless of course sr is dead. Jean; May 21, 2008 1:50 AM
suzihussein22 said...: robh-Now I'm LMAO! :)))) Just wait 'til my 11yr. old son figures out that one.

Aunt Jean-Thanks for the congrats.; May 21, 2008 1:51 AM
RobH said...: Roger that,

we're all on the same team....; May 21, 2008 1:52 AM
Aunt Jean said...: robh if he is 55 that would have him born in 53 not 63. Jean; May 21, 2008 1:52 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Looks like Oregon is going to take a long time now with the rest of the ballots - since they will be validating the signatures.

My guess is a LARGE percentage of the ballots that were dropped off today (in the bigger cities) will be for Obama.

I am sure that everyone in Oregon heard about that HUGE rally in Portland this weekend and that will help greatly with swinging the vote towards 'our new president'

OBAMA - our next President of the UNITED States of America!
The best person for the Oval Office.
The best person for the job.
The person with integrity, compassion, wisdom, eloquence, and grace.

OBAMA '08

hehehehe Jay Leno clip on MSNBC...
Jay said: Obama's biggest problem is how to get rid of Hillary. Bill said 'good luck with that!"

.; May 21, 2008 1:53 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Rob,

Glad you got some vicarious humor out of my post, even if it was through someone else's post.

VBG
LOL

and

ROTFLMAO

Mike; May 21, 2008 1:54 AM
rag218psu said...: To Leah,
Obama has enough money already. Besides, both Dem and Repub candidates start out with the same amount of campaign money, as per the general election rules. If Obama is the nominee, it's 2004 all over again. Meaning that people are voting for the not Bush (McCain)candidate, which is what my vote would be. I would never do something stupid and vote Repub, but i cant just not vote. I dont hate Obama by any means, I just agree with Hillary more on the issues.; May 21, 2008 1:55 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: rag218psu -

I am curious...

Please name me three issues of Hillary's that are different than Obama's that you agree with Hillary more on.

Thanks ;); May 21, 2008 1:59 AM
suzihussein22 said...: While number watching I've been checking up on the GE EV. Does anybody else think these states will swing Dem.?:

CO, LA, NH, OH, and WV

I'm predicting that TN will go Rep. this time since we couldn't carry with Gore.; May 21, 2008 1:59 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah I really don't respect your opinion you are wrong big time about the bike GIVE IT A REST and I mean it. Jean; May 21, 2008 2:00 AM
suzihussein22 said...: Mike in MD-Maybe I should get some of my husband's family from MA to come over and KYA! LOL :))); May 21, 2008 2:01 AM
RobH said...: A nitanny lion, born Feb 18, initials 'rag'.

Welscome to the conversation.
care to share your first name?

Leah,

So you bailed last night at 1:50 local time, 2:50 EST? I've still got an hour to go on my post tonight, waiting Oregon results so I can get a delegate count. We did 4 worse than I hoped on KY, maybe the same as expected in OR. The overall math does not change....; May 21, 2008 2:05 AM
Oregon Dem said...: softspoken - the only one that jumped out in my mind was CO.; May 21, 2008 2:06 AM
RobH said...: Softie,

CO yes, NH yes, OH yes,
LA no, WV no

That's my (considered) opinion.; May 21, 2008 2:07 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: softspoken22 -

I just started looking at EV numbers today. So, my opinion is worth much at this point.

But I do think that by looking at the Head-to-Head polls Obama/McCain and McCain/Clinton it looks like there are many states that Obama can win up against McCain that Clinton can't.

I'll be looking at the polls and EVs of the states more in the next few days, and the posts of the other people on some sites that have already posted some EV predictions.

Bottom line - I DO think that Obama is capable of turn some red states blue ;); May 21, 2008 2:09 AM
Oregon Dem said...: Leah:

rag wants a gas tax holiday...

oh and psu could also be "Portland State University" in Oregon which would not be a Lion...; May 21, 2008 2:10 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: wooooooohooooooo!

DCW just updates the top side bar box!

Total delegates needed to win the nomination:

Obama 64
Clinton 246

This will be over VERY soon!; May 21, 2008 2:11 AM
Aunt Jean said...: LEAH JAY LENO IS A CREEPY:

hILLARY W/MORE EXPERIENCE, CLASS, HEART.INTEGRITY,WISDOM[BY FAR THE BEST]AND MORE THAN ABLE TO UNITE THE EVERYONE. JEAN; May 21, 2008 2:12 AM
Kujo said...: rag218psu

I agree with Leah, name 3 issues you agree with Clinton over Obama; May 21, 2008 2:14 AM

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