Democratic Convention Watch: Open Thread

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

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Meg said...: OK, here's my prediction: the RBC will make a decision that most of us feel is fair, but that Yammer and Aunt Jean will denounce with some colorful, albeit confusing language.

The primaries go as planned and all the SD's weigh in. Then, when all the variables are known, Hillary will appeal the RBC decision to the Credentials Committee and it will not be over AGAIN.

Sorry to sound so bleak.; May 27, 2008 4:07 PM
vwis said...: RobH,

I too have a sticky keyboard. I meant "In this I trust." In one of my jobs I typeset paint can labels. You the fine print no one reads. I'm sure that that alone qualifies to serve for the DNC.; May 27, 2008 4:12 PM
vwis said...: Emma,

As I already pointed out, the Hillary crowd will carry this way past the GE. When they are sitting in their rocking chairs on the wrap-around front porch of some southern mansion and are old and gray, they will reminisce about the one that got away.; May 27, 2008 4:23 PM
Unknown said...: Trinity United Church of Christ

Obama mentioned his church during his appearance with Oprah. It's the 'Trinity United Church of Christ'.

It is very alarming. Barack Obama is a member of this church and is running for President of the U.S. If you look at the first page of their Web site, you will learn that this congregation has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. No where is America even mentioned. Notice too, what color you will need to be if you should want to join Obama's church? Does this surprise anyone?

Doesn't look like his choice of religion has improved much over his Muslim upbringing. This guy wants to rule America while his loyalty is totally vested in a black Africa !

I cannot believe this has not been all over the TV and newspapers. This is why it is so important to pass this message along to all our family and friends. To think that Obama has even the slightest chance in the run for the presidency is really scary.; May 27, 2008 4:28 PM
Anonymous said...: Leah @ 2.34:
(Bill Clinton) writes: "On April 7, we also won in Kansas, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. On April 9, Paul Tsongas announced that he would not reenter the race. The fight for the nomination was effectively over."

Now that's what I call good information. Not "good" because it is pro-Obama, but "good" because it is useful.; May 27, 2008 4:29 PM
Oregon Dem said...: Mt prediction is that the option chosen by the RBC will be half votes for both pledged and supers for both MI and FL.

That would be scenario 3 here at DCW.

What those numbers do not include is the "uncommitted" MI delegates already selected. Of the 36 already selected it appears 24 are solidly for Obama.

If one adds those (half) then BHO needs 89.5 delegates to clinch and HRC needs 241.5.

Once the 3 primaries are over BHO would have about 40 more delegates needed and HRC would need 190 (IMO).

Math and popular sentiments (polling) still favor Senator Obama; May 27, 2008 4:35 PM
RobH said...: As tempting as it might be for y'all to go after jj's cut an paste,

please don't.

Encouragement = enabling = retention.

Let's not retain, shall we?; May 27, 2008 4:38 PM
vwis said...: When Hillary commented that "Should she be in the kitchen baking some cookies?" I was in agreement. I felt she should bake some for Obama.

Hillary's Cookie Recipe

2 eggs of her face
1 cup of artificial sweetener
2 cups of melted butter (they need to be very slick)
3 tsp soda (very bitter)
1 tsp vanilla
1 tsp ground chili pepper
1 tsp fresh minced jalepeno peppers (for the hispanic voters support).
salt
1 1/2 cups of flour sifted over & over again

Beat well. Drop on to baking sheet, bake at 350 10-12 min or until browned and cooked.

She should then deliver them promptly while still warm and serve with some Honest Berry ... Tea.; May 27, 2008 4:38 PM
Mug said...: JJ:

Thanks for posting one of the many viral emails about Barack Obama. I've read it before and was not surprized that you simply pasted it here rather than comment on it. Have you ever had an original thought of your own. I doubt it. What this viral email aims to accomplish is to reach the ignorant people who won't actually navigate to the church's website but will accept on faith that since the message tells them they should, everything they say about it must be true. However, if anyone should actually check, they will see that this viral email, like all the others, is completely and utterly false. Sorry that you are so frightened of Barack Obama but It's not surprizing. Barack Obama stands for true American ideals and true American patriotism. Remember that America is the land of the free and the home of the "brave." A simpering coward like yourself may have been born in America but you have no idea what it means to be an American.; May 27, 2008 4:43 PM
Martin said...: Oh, look. Yamaka's arguments have been torn to shreds so completely that he had to re-register under the name "JJ" in order to attempt a more blatantly racist approach. Nice try, Yams!; May 27, 2008 4:44 PM
Meg said...: Robh:

You know, I really agree with you, but it's sooooooo tempting. The thing is that most people, at least those blogging, seem to have made up their minds. Statistics and logic don't influence them at all.

I have to admit that Yammer holds a special place in my heart. I think it's the way he uses metaphors and idioms in ways that make no sense.

The room for the RBC will hold either 800 or 3500 if they open up an adjoining room.; May 27, 2008 4:47 PM
Peter said...: I agree RobH

I think we will see some supers endorsing daily,probably between 1 and 3. But, i know of a lot of superdelegates ready to endorse shortly after MT/SD. I think that is a wise move, we don`t need Clinton claiming that she was pushed out by the supers. Obama will win SD and MT probably with a double digit margin if nothing special happens between now and tuesday, I don`t think Puerto Rico will influence any voters in SD and MT. If Obama wins SD and MT as predicted, Clinton will not have any credibility if she "attacks" the superdelegates who endorse Obama and put him into a majority of total delegates.

RBC will not change things drastically. The only possible way where Clinton can take this to the convention and have an ounce of credibility is if she wins PR, SD and MT with clear margins. She probably wins PR which won`t influene anyone at all (neither superdelegates or voters) and her winning MT is not likely, Obama was ahead with 17% in the last poll. We don`t have any new polls from SD, but Obama has won every single state in the region with a clear margin. He also have more money to spend and have the support most major "players" in SD including McGovern, Johnson and Daschle. The margin in the only poll I have seen was 8%, I would bet it is at least twice that now.; May 27, 2008 4:53 PM
vwis said...: martin,

It does sound like him. Even uses the same format. Looks like a snake; smells like a snake; it probably is.; May 27, 2008 4:55 PM
Peter said...: I think you`re right, we will probably see a post from Yam claiming he is not JJ or vice versa. Same rhetoric, same style, same guy.; May 27, 2008 5:01 PM
Unknown said...: Looks like a Wright; smells like a Wright; it probably is.
Looks like a Ayers; smells like a Ayers; it probably is.
Looks like a Rezko; smells like a Rezko; it probably is.
"Tell me who your friends are, and I will tell you who you are."; May 27, 2008 5:03 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: JJ-

You really should change your name to Rip Van Wrinkle.

Have your been asleep the past few months? Everything you have posted on this thread is OLD NEWS and twisted news.

I would advise you to spend sometime reading the newspapers and catch on up to the rest of us ;)

OBAMA '08; May 27, 2008 5:11 PM
Peter said...: Looks like Yamaka, smells like Yamaka, sounds like Yamaka
Probably is Yamaka; May 27, 2008 5:15 PM
Anonymous said...: JJ, are you sure about Obama getting Castro's support? You may want to take a look at this.

http://wjz.com/national/fidel.castro.barack.2.733168.html; May 27, 2008 5:16 PM
vwis said...: akamay,

I see you like my picturesque language. I do not feel you are snake, just jj. I actually think highly of you, after what you told me about yourself. I also, admire your loyalty. I don't want to see you go down with the sinking ship I think you are on.

Although, I have these surreal images of this whole primary. I sometimes think it is all a setup to use Obama as a decoy for McCain and the right. Remember what they said about the Christian-right attacking her if she ever were the candidate.; May 27, 2008 5:16 PM
dsimon said...: Yamaka: "Ah, how do we know that the voters are innocent?"

dsi:

Because Gov Dean say so.

And how does Gov. Dean know? How do you know?

And how is it fair to the rest of us voters who waited under the rules to reward the voters of states that voted early?; May 27, 2008 5:17 PM
dsimon said...: jean: dsimon,
In referance to the house and senate.
If Obama doesn't think he CAN win he totally avoids the issue. He doesn't even go there, including states.
So he doesn't need how may states?

I still don't see how his handling of MI and FL has any bearing on how he will deal with the House and Senate. First, he's visited MI several times now and he'll probably win it in the general. Second, candidates routinely don't go to states that are obviously out of reach, and yet they still deal with their delegations in Congress. So I really don't understand your point.

The main thing right now that will push him to November is that the Super Delegates do not want to be shown voting against a AA.

Is there a shred of evidence to support that assertion? There are plenty of people who support Obama and/or oppose Clinton (and vice versa) purely on their records. You've made an awfully big assumption, especially given that there are plenty of non-racist and non-sexist reasons to support one candidate or the other.

His lack of experience will be his downfall in Congress and the Senate.

Experience is helpful only to the extent that it informs judgment. Bush had one of the most "experienced" groups around him in history. We see how that turned out. And Clinton, with her 29 years of "experience" at the time by her calculations, still voted for the Iraq war.

Lincoln had even less experience than Obama has. Most people think he did a satisfactory job.; May 27, 2008 5:23 PM
rkw said...: Yam - I've got a question for you.

Your argument seems to be that HRC will get 240 of the roughly 317 remaining delegates (assuming FL & MI seat full delegations). Actually there are 316 left now, but I'll live with the 317 number for the moment. That means that you concede that BO will get about 77 of those 317.

Let's assume that BO will get at least 30 delegates from the SD, MO and PR primaries. I think that is low, but let's go ahead and give that a whirl. In that scenario HRC would get about 56 delegates from those three contests.

So, to get the 240 total delegates you predict HRC will get, it would take about 184 SDs and/or uncommitted MI delegates to get to that 240 threshhold that you predict.

So, it seems that you believe there are 184 currently uncommitted delegates that will go for HRC.

Well, if that is the case, why don't they just come out and endorse her now? If they did, it would effetively erase BHOs lead if you don't count MI & FL and it would clearly put her in the lead if you do.

In fact, it might well turn out that if there are that many potential HRC endorsements left, she might not need the MI & FL delegations. She might be able to win this on her own by running the table in SD, MO and PR.

To me, it makes no sense why those 184 HRC leaners would all sit out there and let their gal potentially lose. And why wouldn't they endorse her now, before we get to the RBC meeting? Why would they let it appear that their gal is going to lose? What are they afraid of? What would make them endorse in June as opposed to now?

Looking forward to your answer.; May 27, 2008 5:24 PM
vwis said...: akamay,

My friends are many and my enemies few.

dsimon,

Fair is for sissies and crybabies. As far as, the Hillary camp is concerned.; May 27, 2008 5:25 PM
Yamaka said...: pablo:

I disagree.

You don't know the heart of a true Champion The Million Dollar Girl. Only a foul play can wound her.

She has earned so far 17,650,671 votes, the MOST at anytime in our Primary Process ever.

The mistakes, gaffe and other things you mention are part of the Campaign. Everybody makes mistakes, as BHO would readily acknowledge.

From the vitriol thrown at her by the Liberal Media and BHO's supporters, the Party is irrevocably split between

Her supporters: Most women, working, older Whites and Latino Americans (I consider the 55%) and

His supporters: Most Blacks, college kids, "the ill-educated Affluent" Whites (I consider the 45%).

Ideologically between the Moderate Centrists of the Party Vs the FAR LEFT Liberals of BHO, Kerry, Kennedy, Dukakis and Mondale.

History tells me the Minority Candidate (45% support) just cannot win the GE w/o a true support from the Clintons, the bona-fide Winners of GE.

Hillary should NOT help BHO to win, period.

Remember, what Ted Kennedy to Carter in 1980. What Reagan did to Ford in 1976!

We have precedent before. I want her to follow the history, come roaring back in 2012, if she unfairly loses the Nomination to the Novice Inexperienced Light Weight BHO!

______________________________

Folks, JJ is his/her own person.

I know already most of what is posted.

The truth is, I am NOT JJ, period.

_________________________________

To ALL BHO Supporters:

According to you, your Piper needs only 48 SDs to clinch the Nomination.

How come you don't get the paltry 48 from some 200 or so undeclared SDs? Even the 7 Ed's Ds?

What is the story there?

My answer is the Real Hurdle will NOT be 2025, it will be closer to 2209.

Most of the remaining undeclared SDs are Hillary Supporters.

I know that's NOT what you want to hear! But that's what I think.

__________________________

emma:

Your English is enthralling, your sentence construction is just jaw-dropping!

The Content is marvelously mesmerizing.

Keep writing, our resident English Teacher! Your service in correcting the punctuations and articles will be gratefully acknowledged!

The Fight will/must proceed to the Convention Floor.

I already smell blood.

No one will stand alive politically for GE 2008.

We will start all over again in 2012.

See you, soon.; May 27, 2008 5:26 PM
jpsedona said...: After all of Hillary's self proclaimed names this campaign season like (most electable, your-gal, etc.), I think one can wonder what last minute slogans she could throw on the list:

"Have no fear! underdog is here."

Harking back to 1968 & Marlo Thomas... "who could we elect for President? THAT GIRL"

Or, Hillary's Street Car of Desire... "I coulda been a contender..."

"Do not ask what evil lurks in the hearts of men, Hillary knows"

Hillary's thoughts on running as VP... "Look who's coming to dinner"

"As a playtex gal, I know my girdle is older than John McCain"; May 27, 2008 5:32 PM
Martin said...: Yamaka says: "the ill-educated Affluent"

You keep saying this, and I've been letting it slide. But now I want to know... what the hell is this supposed to mean? A college education is now a bad education? Is this the kind of backwards universe that HRC supporters dwell in? Here's a clue for you: CLINTON WENT TO COLLEGE TOO. Is she also "ill-educated"?

Yamaka also said: "Most of the remaining undeclared SDs are Hillary Supporters."

You've been saying this for WEEKS, and the numbers have proved you wrong, over and over and over again. It's time to give up on this one.; May 27, 2008 5:34 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Yamaka said: "To ALL BHO Supporters:

According to you, your Piper needs only 48 SDs to clinch the Nomination.

How come you don't get the paltry 48 from some 200 or so undeclared SDs? Even the 7 Ed's Ds?

What is the story there?"
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Yakama,

Apparently you have not been reading news articles today.

Obama has enough SDs in his pocket.

Obama wants to wait until PR, MT, and SD votes. Then the rest of the Supers will be coming on out June 4th - 5th.

It's all about perception. He wants the voters to put him over the top and not the remaining supers.

I am surprised you didn't already know this - or you did know it and just wanted to stir the pot once again ;)

.; May 27, 2008 5:34 PM
rkw said...: Yam - I've got a deal for you. The Denver Convention needs to raise money. I've been planning to make a donation. Let's agree to this contest.

For every SD that endorses HRC from here on out, I will donate $5 to the convention fund. For every SD that endorses BO, you donate $5.

You're convinced your gal is going to get most of the 200 remaining SDs. That means I would make a donation closing in on $1,000 if you're right. If it turns out the other way, then you'll be the big supporter for the convention.

If you're up for it, we can agree on specific rules for begin and end dates and any SDs that flip. What do you think?; May 27, 2008 5:36 PM
Independent Voter said...: Yam, when 1/2 of the country says they would NEVER vote for her, I have no idea why you would believe that she would win in November. NO-ONE has EVER been elected to the presidency with a 51% negativity rate.

You're just BITTER because your "gal" has been out-fundraised, out-maneuvered, out campaigned, and is the presumptive LOSER in this campaign.

I for one would really hate to be near you when reality hits, because you appear to be so mentally unstable that you are more than likely to go postal on someone.; May 27, 2008 5:38 PM
jpsedona said...: If Gary Hart's womanizing paved the way for Bill Clinton's 1992 election, would it be fair to say that Edmund Muskie's NK tears paved the way for Hillary's "softer side"?; May 27, 2008 5:40 PM
Yamaka said...: Folks:

News Flash...........

As per BHO's Propaganda Machine the subsidiary of Goebells' & Co, the Nomination and the Presidency of US is already in the back pockets of BHO!

Bhahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..bahahha......
_____________________________

I call some of you as "ill-educated affluent Whites" because of the mindless elitism you emanate from your vocal chords!

Truly educated people bend over backwards to empathize with the working Americans, who could not go to organized learning in Colleges!

That's the difference between you and the college-educated good people! A world of difference!; May 27, 2008 5:49 PM
Martin said...: I call some of you as "ill-educated affluent Whites" because of the mindless elitism you emanate from your vocal chords!

Names and examples, please. I haven't seen any of this. I suspect it's all in your head.; May 27, 2008 5:58 PM
Hippolytus said...: Yam/JJ,
Sounds more like "WAAAH WAAAH".
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JJ (aka JA, for Jack Ass):
Does the phrase "freedom of religion" mean anything to you in your pathetically small, xenophobic world?; May 27, 2008 6:05 PM
ed iglehart said...: Hi there all y'all!

While lurking, I came across this, on Jim Webb:

Kinda makes ya wonder, don't it?

xx
ed; May 27, 2008 6:09 PM
Hippolytus said...: Yam said:
"The truth is, I am NOT JJ, period."
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Yam, ever see "Three Faces of Eve"?; May 27, 2008 6:10 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: In one of those West Virgina interviews of the people in the street an old man said America will not be fixed until an 'ordinary working person' is elected President.

What a joke!
------

Both Obama and Clinton

Have gone to top American schools.

Both have law degrees.

Both are Senators.

They are not 'ordinary' people - at this point in time.

I for one would not want an 'ordinary' person to be president.

We must elect a person with the utmost intelligence, wisdom, integrity, grace and compassion - and in this election season that person is OBAMA :)

OBAMA '08; May 27, 2008 6:15 PM
Yamaka said...: "Yam, when 1/2 of the country says they would NEVER vote for her, "

This is patently untrue. Mostly by the Propaganda Machines of the Liberal Media.

If it is true, then how come against 3:1 money power of BHO, she won OH, PA, WV and KY recently?

(Most Whites are fleeing from BHO because of the racism shown by the VA, MS and NC! He has essentially become a Black Candidate. That's what he wanted anyway, by going to TUCC!

Remember, he is biracial, grown up in a comfortable White middle class household. Why did he go to TUCC of Wright?)

Hillary's real support level is 55% as opposed to BHO's 45%. That's why I call him the Minority Candidate and her the Majority Candidate.

Her electoral coalition is broader and deeper than BHO, the least vetted, least experienced and the most risky Candidate in a generation.

SDs, are you listening?; May 27, 2008 6:15 PM
Hippolytus said...: Thanks, ed inglehart, for the insightful link re: Webb. For those looking for another highly qualified Southerner that has many of Webb's positives, please consider Sam Nunn. True, he served in the Senate, but has been on the periphery of politics for some time now, which is a positive. He has gravitas and statesmanship, and I suspect he would be able to subordinate his ego to the demands of the VP position. My only regret is that his first name is not Samantha, although others make the point that having an African American and female on the ticket may be too much (which is a position with which I disagree, but respect).; May 27, 2008 6:18 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Yakama said: "SDs, are you listening?"
_____

Yakama,

You are talking to the wall. There are no SDs here. There is a contributor to this website, Mr. Super, and he came out a few weeks ago and endorsed OBAMA. And I have never seen him post on this thread. Perhaps you should move on over to another thread so he will see you.

Come on you really don't think that any super delegates have been listening to you, do you?

.; May 27, 2008 6:22 PM
Hippolytus said...: Yam,
Under Scenario 5 (which is highly unlikely), there are now 316 total delegates remaining. You sau Hillary will snag 240 of those; that would be a 76% capture. Good luck to her (and you) with that.; May 27, 2008 6:30 PM
Gator said...: Leah Texas4Obama said...

"I for one would not want an 'ordinary' person to be president."

Fairly elitist or ignorant statement in my book.; May 27, 2008 6:32 PM
Hippolytus said...: To all Hillary supporters, I offer for your reflection the Serenity Prayer:
"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."; May 27, 2008 6:35 PM
ed iglehart said...: You can take it to the bank!

xx
ed; May 27, 2008 6:39 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Gator-

LOL!

And YOUR choice for a president would be what?

A plumber, truck driver, nurse, teacher, accountant, a grocery store clerk, waitress, factory worker, dentist, the mailman?; May 27, 2008 6:39 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: ed-

Yep. Just like I was saying earlier - he has them in his pocket!

From the link you posted:

"To prepare for that eventuality, the Obama campaign has, for the first time, really, begun to bank delegates. Sources close to the campaign estimate that as many as three dozen Democratic superdelegates have privately pledged to announce their support for Obama on June 4 or 5. The campaign is determined that Obama not end the first week in June without securing the support of delegates numbering 2026 -- or 2210, as the case may be."
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OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA '08; May 27, 2008 6:42 PM
ed iglehart said...: Balance on Webb?

Cover all sides.
xx
ed; May 27, 2008 6:47 PM
Yamaka said...: "Your grammer is about as bad as a sushi chef in an interment camp."

dave nc:

Your spelling is intolerable! There are English Teachers, and RodentinMD visiting this site!!

They won't forgive you!; May 27, 2008 6:47 PM
jpsedona said...: Yam,

In response to: "Yam, when 1/2 of the country says they would NEVER vote for her,"

you said: "This is patently untrue. Mostly by the Propaganda Machines of the Liberal Media."

The topic was the GE. And in the GE, what percentage of the Republican vote is she going to get? Could she even get 10%?

And surely, if she's only got 1/2 the Democratic vote, she can surely win a wide majority of the independents, right?

As a whole, is Hillary disliked by 50% or more of the people. YES! Do you think Rush & other pundits want her to run because they LIKE her???? No, it's because she is so polarizing that the GE will be a write off if she's the nominee. But then again, we won't know in 2008...; May 27, 2008 6:51 PM
Anonymous said...: Yam,

The only rodent here is in Texas.; May 27, 2008 6:54 PM
Gator said...: Leah Texas4Obama said...
Gator-

LOL!

And YOUR choice for a president would be what?

A plumber, truck driver, nurse, teacher, accountant, a grocery store clerk, waitress, factory worker, dentist, the mailman?

You left out a few, but any would be fine.
It appears you prefer a "Professional politician" of which we currently have three, then two, to choose from.
The secret of a great leader is "Wisdom" and a logical reasoned approach to problems we face today.; May 27, 2008 6:55 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Yes wisdom is important.

But also IS knowing how the government works, what is wrong with it, and how to fix it.

Also it will be refreshing to have Obama as our president since he has taught constitutional law - and unlike Bush, Obama knows what is in the U.S. Constitution!; May 27, 2008 7:04 PM
ed iglehart said...: The Libertarian cheese

And, Some perspective

More cheese, mummy!; May 27, 2008 7:06 PM
Meg said...: Geez, you guys!! I leave for 2 hours and you've gotten into a slugfest with Yam!!

Yam, from what I understand from your posts, HRC will win because she MUST win. The votes don't matter and the SD's are villains. Somehow, despite everything, she will be nominated at the convention because she MUST. Isn't this the heart of your argument?

Yam, what if you're wrong?? What if she really isn't the best candidate? What if more people and more SD's think Obama is the best guy? What will you do? Whom (sorry, couldn't resist the object pronoun) will you vote for?; May 27, 2008 7:06 PM
ed iglehart said...: Can you pass the test?

Love the music!
xx
ed; May 27, 2008 7:11 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Evenin' all y'all-

Hyppolytus-May the schwartz be with you.;)

Mike in MD-4:32a.m.-Did you mean in perfection or to perfection?:)

Well now it's time to read the news in this electronic box.; May 27, 2008 7:13 PM
Gator said...: Politicians are driven to seek office for money and power or to inflate their own ego for the most part.
Some start out truly to serve their fellow man, but are quickly
consumed with self preservation.

I think Obama, Clinton and McCain
are guilty of Power Seeking, so it just the lesser choice of three evils.; May 27, 2008 7:14 PM
Hippolytus said...: Yam et al.:
"Feel the force!" ;); May 27, 2008 7:19 PM
Gator said...: Leah Texas4Obama said...
Yes wisdom is important.

But also IS knowing how the government works, what is wrong with it, and how to fix it.

Also it will be refreshing to have Obama as our president since he has taught constitutional law - and unlike Bush, Obama knows what is in the U.S. Constitution!

Based on the above criteria, any constitutional law professor who has actually taught for ten years, and has served in the Military would be be better than Obama.; May 27, 2008 7:21 PM
ed iglehart said...: Cool

xx
ed; May 27, 2008 7:35 PM
Anonymous said...: Yam said:
"Hillary should NOT help BHO to win, period.

Remember, what Ted Kennedy to Carter in 1980. What Reagan did to Ford in 1976!"

How'd that work out for Ted 4 years later? Reagan's timing was more responsible for his success, Ford being a part of the Nixon administration, and then with the hostage situation in in 1979.

She doesn't have to lift a finger if she doesn't want to, and go against her word once again for the umteenth time, but she will not be a major player in 2012 regardless.; May 27, 2008 7:39 PM
RobH said...: Ed,

we missed you. welcome back. keep 'em coming.

Thanks,

Rob; May 27, 2008 7:40 PM
RobH said...: Ed,

I met Reggie at an Obama rally at the Meadowlands (NJ) in January.

He is ....cool.

"Fired up and ready to go!"; May 27, 2008 7:46 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: You have been put on my ignore list.

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OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA '08

.; May 27, 2008 7:53 PM
suzihussein22 said...: issue-energy-Are people finally learning to lessen their consumption?

http://tinyurl.com/6p7pcd

hyppolytus-Be the schwartz.:); May 27, 2008 8:12 PM
ed iglehart said...: Leah,

Was it something I said? Please forgive me.
xxxx
ed; May 27, 2008 8:20 PM
vwis said...: Softspoken,

Somehow I doubt it. People I see are driving smaller cars and making some small moves but, the greed on wall street, OPEC, Chavez, the Nigerias and others still out weight our efforts.; May 27, 2008 8:22 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: ed -

Not you ;); May 27, 2008 8:32 PM
suzihussein22 said...: graywolf-The cicadas have calmed down for now. Being in a "holler" for the first time made them seem the loudest I've ever heard them. I didn't remember them having red eyes either. We've been sitting out on our porch watching the rain. We didn't get to do that for several months last year here in TN.

This is just a general article that I think has been relevant sometimes.

http://tinyurl.com/5gbmfj

Hope us Dems are focused about this soon.; May 27, 2008 9:00 PM
suzihussein22 said...: Good point. Some of us were'nt accepted for medical reasons.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-greenland/que-es-mas-macho_b_103782.html

disclaimer-Que-What as opposed to Who?; May 27, 2008 9:16 PM
Blaksmith said...: I pray for hillary and Bill to stop spinning. Do they know how to tell the truth anymore?; May 27, 2008 9:16 PM
Random said...: well... id have to say my doomsday prediction is almost already fullfilled. our worst problem is almost as secure as is Obamas nomination.

The SDs have not reacted in time, instead deciding to wait till June 4th. Bad choice.

1) Hillary will appeal the RBC decision to the Credentials Committee, which gets decided IN AUG, at the convetion.

2) thats it, damage is done.

once the appeal is in, the 2026 number doesnt apply because FL,MI havent been decided yet. so there is no offical number. 100 SDs can vote Obama on the 4th, and it wont prevent Hillary from fighting till the convention for her hail mary.

3 more months of primary = damage

cant stop her now, its too late.

(sadly, i dont even doubt this is strategy for her 2012 campain); May 27, 2008 9:18 PM
Independent Voter said...: gator - "Based on the above criteria, any constitutional law professor who has actually taught for ten years, and has served in the Military would be be better than Obama."

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Unfortunately for you GATOR, there isn't one in the race, so the next best person to your imaginary candidate, Obama is the closest!; May 27, 2008 9:42 PM
Yamaka said...: vixx:

You seem to have some realistic insight into the Primary Politics.

Although, lots of BHO's supporters believe that the Nomination and even the Presidency are inside his back pockets! lol

He has become all powerful in a very short time!

:-(
His best days are over, folks - the next move is downhill from now onwards. Believe me.

_________________________________

pablo:

I disagree that 2012 will not be good for Hillary.

As long as the Clintons are in good health, they will be the major force in the Democratic Politics, IMO. They earned it and deserve it.

BHOs may come and go, but the Clintons are the permanent fixture of American politics, because Americans love them.

As I have said many times, the Clintons are God's Gift to America.

The grateful Nation will always remember to reward her Champions and Heroes.
_____________________________

emmma:

Hillary MUST win the Nomination because IMHO

1. She has the MOST Popular Votes ever cast in the Primaries. This does NOT show up in TDs, because of demographic inconvenience of Caucuses.

2. She has a broader coalition of Constituency: Most White women, working, older Whites and Latino Americans - the 55% IMO.

3. She has the hands on experience in the Oval Office: She has been the Co-President for 8 years; has been the sparring partner of Maestro Bill, who is one of the most successful Presidents in modern American History.

BHO is the least vetted, least experienced in National Politics. He is a novice and above all a Bleeding Liberal of the type of Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry and Kennedy, the icons of Liberal Ideology.

America cannot afford to have a Bleeding Liberal at the Top. Carter taught Americans how bad it could be.

Sure, you may not understand or agree with my logic. It's your problem!
___________:-(_______________________

jp:

Assuming Hillary is the Nominee, this is my prediction.

In 2004 the GE attracted nearly 121 million voters.

In 2008 we may have about 130 million voters, and about 51% of that will go to Hillary and 47% to McCain and the rest to other fringe candidates like Barr and Nader etc.

Because the possibility of the First Woman POTUS is really a historical event in modern American Politics.

(BHO although looks Black, HE is of essentially a White Experience, not the Experience of a Civil Right Son of American Blacks!)
___________________________________

Dear Democrats:

I will be traveling for a couple of weeks:

Going to visit my daughter at Cornell U for a week, then to Stanford U for another week!

A coast to coast travel to burn some money!

Please be kind to Hillary Supporters, who are a few in number at this site!

Learn to be broad minded, and open to criticism if you are all adults!

Great Days Ahead of US.

Bye, for now. See you in two weeks!; May 27, 2008 10:00 PM
Mike in Maryland said...: Hey Jim,

Instead of parroting information that is NOT true, try educating yourself. Why don't you start here:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/2003/11/03/lemmings-arent-suicidal-after-all.htm

Repeating and parroting the Yammerer's idiocy shows that you cannot use the brain in your head. You would gain a lot more respect if you presented your own opinions, in your own words.

Mike; May 27, 2008 10:04 PM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Yamaka-

I do hope that you have a wonderful trip and a lovely time.

When you return, we will welcome you back with the news of our democratic nominee having secured the nomination!

Happy trails to you ;)

OBAMA '08; May 27, 2008 10:06 PM
Anonymous said...: His uncle was there at the liberation of Buchenwald......as opposed to Hillary NEVER faced sniper-fire as she said, while soldiers were facing sniper fire in a war that she voted for....not sure it's exactly the same.; May 27, 2008 10:17 PM
Anonymous said...: Mike in Maryland said...
Hey Jim,

Instead of parroting information that is NOT true,

Mike,
You speak of real lemmings and I speak of people who are political
lemmings such as yourself.
I invented the term and its use in politics, so I alone am the expert
on their mannerisms.
You are truly one big Lemming.
Run! Run! Run!; May 27, 2008 10:23 PM
Hippolytus said...: Jim
You invented the term "lemming"? Did you invent the Internet, too?; May 27, 2008 10:29 PM
Unknown said...: As a new blogger on this site, I just wanted to warn you of some far-right wing republicans that pretend to be Clinton supporters. Their goal is to make us react to their incendiary comments and to their irrational suggestions. No Clinton supporter would make such stupid comments. It's just a ruse to make us turn against one another.

It will be as if a democrat goes in one of the Repubs blogs and pretends to be a "Bush supporter" and starts making unfounded claims that it would be much better if McSame showed his face with Bush more often and accepted his endorsement publicly, and supported all his policies, and ..., b/c it's the best president we've ever had (including Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, JFK, to name a few!!!). Although McSame supports most of Bush's policies, I'm sure he's not too happy to have seen him in AZ lately.
And you really need to be a republican to fall this low!!!

Let's turn our focus to the failed policies that McCain is supporting, let's try to find anything that will prove him wrong come the GE. Let's find all the instances he lied in (like "it's naive and shows inexperience to want to talk to rogue state leaders" when he's the one who said that we would have to talk to Hammas couple years ago).

You know, many say that McCain has a lot of experience, well let's focus on the fact that if that's the argument they're basing their choice on, then I would really not vote for someone whose decisions (which as they claim must be based on his previous, extensive experience) has sent over 4,000 soldiers to be killed in Iraq, and tens of thousands to come back injured, has spent almost a trillion dollars on an illegitimate war instead of spending it on Healthcare, education, or relieving the victims of Katrina...

Clinton has to go I agree, but let's not focus on her, and do as our leader and future president did so well, and... IGNORE her!!!

However, we need to make sure we send McSame back to AZ for his retirement.; May 27, 2008 10:32 PM
Vicki in Seattle said...: oh fer cryin' out loud. I can't believe some of the nonsense posted here. Some of you are barking mad!

(most of you are okay, though, I come back to read what the sane people write).; May 27, 2008 10:34 PM
Anonymous said...: Jim wrote:
Obama exposed,
He had no "Uncle" who was envolved in the liberation of Auschwitz.
Just a exageration or a lie like Sniper fire?

Fox News reported that it was a graat uncle at Buchenwald.

If that is the case, I wouldn't think it would be in the Clinton campaign's interest to try to make hay out of it.

If nothing else, it highlights the fact that Obama can point to relatives who served in the military.

......

Vixx, I've given it some thought, and I am not so worried about the RBC meeting and such.

The Clinton campaign has to make a public showing that they are still fighting for their cause. But I don't see any real fire there, or support for that matter.

Don't let the turkeys get you down.; May 27, 2008 10:35 PM
Anonymous said...: Crap, that should have been "great uncle".; May 27, 2008 10:37 PM
Independent Voter said...: Yam,

Don't forget to pack your flotation device! You're gonna need it for with SS Hillary goes completely under!; May 27, 2008 10:39 PM
Unknown said...: -- Mug

For your comment on 4:43.... wow, well said; May 27, 2008 10:49 PM
Unknown said...: -- Martin,

For your comment on 4:44, exactly my thought!; May 27, 2008 10:51 PM
Oregon Dem said...: For those more "rational" folks there is a place that we can get away from the ilk of JJ, Yamaka, and Aunt Jean. Each of them I consider somewhat delusional and basically have stopped responding to because they never answer a direct question with another answer. As I have said about Yamaka and Aunt Jean - "if they really supported HRC then they would post something nice about HRC rather than just posting anti-Obama statements.

This kind of tactic reminds me of Rush L, S Hannity and Mark Livin. I mean come on now who on earth would find some of the websites they copy from - no dem I know would read that crap for anything other than a good laugh.

Oh and the blog we can go to and have a moderated discussion is the one made by Richard....; May 27, 2008 11:03 PM
suzihussein22 said...: mike in md- 10:04 posting-Is that site anything like Myth Busters?

speaking of lemmings-anybody want to go snipe hunting in these here hills to the east of me? lol

bloggety, bloggety, blog
the mouse ran up the clock
the clockd struck 12
the mouse ran down
bloggety, bloggety, zzzz

ciao y'all

Y-Have a safe trip.

Aunt Jean-I hope your mom is doing okay.; May 27, 2008 11:11 PM
Anonymous said...: Hippolytus said...
Jim
You invented the term "lemming"? Did you invent the Internet, too?
Hippo, I believe Al Gore invented the internet.
I started the reference to Obama supporters as lemmings on this blog
and stand by it.; May 27, 2008 11:28 PM
Aunt Jean said...: I see the BS is still going strong from the obama supporters. What a joke LOL LOL LOL.Jean; May 27, 2008 11:33 PM
Aunt Jean said...: Peter obama wanted the votes split 50- 50 I don't think so. Talk about being greedy that is being greedy. Jean; May 27, 2008 11:34 PM
Aunt Jean said...: softspoken 22 yes my mom is doing pretty thanks for asking. She has chronic leukemia and it seems like her white count is going up to fast it is now 44000 she has to go get blood work every 3 months and it seems to be running an ave. of 6000 every 3 months. She will be due here shortly. I worry a lot about her.So your concern is very touching.We have to be careful about going around her sick. Jean; May 27, 2008 11:48 PM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 27, 2008 11:51 PM
Aunt Jean said...: softspoken22 I fell for the snipe hunting when I was about 12. Boy was that funny!! But I did find out that there was a bird that it's name is snipe boy was I happy about that ha ha. It does bring back some funny memories. Jean; May 27, 2008 11:54 PM
Bob in Vancouver said...: OK, I can now safely make a prediction on the outcome of the May 31 Rules Committee meeting, on the basis of what Donna Brazil said on CNN. The fix appears to already be in.

The delegations from FL and MI will be seated at the convention. They will not however, have the power to overturn the results of the primary.

Unfortunately for some Yammers, the final number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination will remain as 2026. There will be no increase in the number of delegates required because of the addition of FL and MI.

It will all be over by June 4th.; May 27, 2008 11:59 PM
Hippolytus said...: Independent voter said...
"Yam,
Don't forget to pack your flotation device! You're gonna need it for with SS Hillary goes completely under!"
______
And your kazoo, Yam. I have visions of you playing it with the rest of the kazoo players, as the SS Hillary goes down. I'd love to hear you play taps on it.; May 28, 2008 12:03 AM
rkw said...: Yam - I guess I get no answer. Why wouldn't your projected 184+ SDs come out and endorse Clinton immediately?

Why won't you take me up on my $5 per SD endorsement offer. Clinton got a new endorsement after my offer this afternoon? That would have us tied at $5 each for the late afternoon SD endorsements.

Yam ? Yam ? Are you there?; May 28, 2008 12:03 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 28, 2008 12:04 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Oregon dem

the reason we don't say much about Hillary is we wouldn't want to make Obama supporters jealous. As far as myself I believe her to be the most qualified of the two. I think the most important thing about her is what she wants to do for the american people because she really cares. Jean; May 28, 2008 12:06 AM
Hippolytus said...: Ah, eight days and counting...; May 28, 2008 12:07 AM
Yousri said...: For you information:

"With Michigan and Florida
(includes add-ons)" table on the left (also known as option 5) has been updated!; May 28, 2008 12:18 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Guam superdelegate Ben Pangelinan pledges support to Obama

Delegates now needed to secure the nomination:

Obama 47
Clinton 246

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rkw - Yam has gone on vacation. He will be back in TWO WEEKS.; May 28, 2008 12:20 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: softspoken22 said...
mike in md- 10:04 posting-Is that site anything like Myth Busters?

SS,

Urban Legends & Folklore was one of the first, if not THE first, site on the web to debunk the viral emails that go around. I first heard of it in the late 90s, and have been using it since then to check out emails I receive that have "facts that you don't need to confirm, because they are FACTS!!!!!"

The site has some impact, as sometimes the viral emails are changed a bit in their 'facts' so they're not as easily debunked. Case in point - The viral email discussed at:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_war_memorial.htm
originally stated the WW II Memorial in DC was located in Arlington Cemetery (that's the version I originally saw), but was later changed to read "on the Mall" after the error was pointed out by UL&F.

Mike; May 28, 2008 12:22 AM
rkw said...: Shoot! And it looks like Yam took time to answer lots of other people, but he couldn't seem to answer my questions or respond to my challenge. Shoot!; May 28, 2008 12:23 AM
Unknown said...: Haven't you noticed that since Yama's and A. Jean's credibility went down the drain, and since nobody listens to them anymore, that other Yama Jrs have surfaced: JJ, Jean, Jim...
It's funny, he really thinks we'll fall for that!
Keep on waisting your time... as someone before me said, you won't be polluting many other blogs if we keep you busy here!; May 28, 2008 12:25 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Jason,

JJ is the only 'new' one here.

Jean (not Aunt Jean) has been here for several weeks, and Jim has been here for several months.

The one thing I find interesting about the Yammerer, Aunt Jean and Jim is that they are all (supposedly) from Texas (Jean, not Aunt Jean, claims to be from SoCal). Can't be entirely the water, as Leah, among others, also lives in Texas, is sane, and can engage in an intelligent discussion.

Maybe it's the genes of some, allowing them to conceptualize a bit more rational and logical reality, thus they tend to be be more intelligent?

Mike; May 28, 2008 12:41 AM
Hippolytus said...: Yousri said...

For you information:
"With Michigan and Florida
(includes add-ons)" table on the left (also known as option 5) has been updated!"
________
Yousri,
Clinton numbers should add to 1973, with one less to win.; May 28, 2008 12:55 AM
Yousri said...: Hippolytus said...
Yousri,
Clinton numbers should add to 1973, with one less to win.

1972 was a typo, sorry. It is corrected.

Needs to win is correct.
(2209 - 1973 = 236); May 28, 2008 1:02 AM
Hippolytus said...: Check out the DWC page re: "DNC lawyers: Can't fully seat FL and MI, which can be found at http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/dnc-lawyers-cant-fully-seat-fl-and-mi.html; May 28, 2008 1:06 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Mike in Maryland said: "The one thing I find interesting about the Yammerer, Aunt Jean and Jim is that they are all (supposedly) from Texas (Jean, not Aunt Jean, claims to be from SoCal). Can't be entirely the water, as Leah, among others, also lives in Texas, is sane, and can engage in an intelligent discussion."
----------------

Mike,
You know I find it really strange that most of the 'most ardent' supporters of Hillary on this thread live here in Houston.

I can tell you that there are tens of thousands of us here in Houston that are Obama supporters but I am out-numbered here on this thread ;)

TEXAS IS FOR OBAMA :); May 28, 2008 1:09 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Hippolytus - THAT IS GREAT NEWS!!!

Wednesday, May 28, 2008
DNC Lawyers: Can't fully seat FL and MI

DNC lawyers have weighed in on the FL & MI debacle:

A Democratic Party rules committee has the authority to restore delegates from Michigan and Florida but not fully seat the two states at the convention as Hillary Rodham Clinton wants, according to a party analysis.

Party rules require that the two states lose at least half of their convention delegates for holding elections too early, Democratic National Committee lawyers wrote in a 38-page memo.

The memo was sent late Tuesday to the 30 members of the party's Rules and Bylaws Committee, which plans to meet Saturday to consider the fate of convention delegates from the two states. The party is considering plans to restore at least some of the delegates to make sure the two important general election battlegrounds will be included at the nominating convention in August.

The analysis lays out merits on all sides of the argument of how many delegates should be seated and how they should be divided. And it underscores a prickly problem — if the Rules and Bylaws Committee decides to restore any of the states' delegates, there is not a simple way to divide them between Clinton and Barack Obama. - AP

.; May 28, 2008 1:13 AM
B said...: Yamaka has gone. Really got beating from BHO supporters. Please come back, we want you. Are you running scared. Please give your address, I will post you a big box of tissues....you might need it when HRC looses the nomination. We all know why you are leaving at this crunch time, when HRC's fate is going to be decided in two weeks. Another HRC's pupil.....Liar as her. You are there, reading our posts...you aren't going anywhere.; May 28, 2008 1:25 AM
Unknown said...: Mike in MD,
Thanks for the update...
I guess JJ and I are the only ones new in this blog then

Although, something tells me they might all be one person (or two)...

When they see that one character is ignored, they/he/she switch to one or few other character(s).; May 28, 2008 1:32 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Leah said...
You know I find it really strange that most of the 'most ardent' supporters of Hillary on this thread live here in Houston.

A similar phenomena occurs on The Baltimore Sun 'Talk Back' section of The Sun's web site. Central Maryland has the highest population jurisdictions in the state, is home to the majority of the Democrats in Maryland, so you would think the discussions would have a Democratic and progressive slant.

Unfortunately, the 'Talk Back' section is totally infested and almost completely taken over by some of the most cretin Republicant's in the US. Trying to engage them in a polite and reasoned discussion is like trying to do that with the Yammerer - impossible.

Mike; May 28, 2008 1:40 AM
Aunt Jean said...: obama supporters interesting polls 5/27

obama and hillary winning 16 sts.

obama;7 sts.: 55% mccain32%

hillary: 5 sts.: 51% mccain40%

hillary and obama 5 sts. tied 58% mccain32%

hillary beats mccain obama loses

8sts.: 48% mccain42%

obama beats mccain hillary loses

2sts.:46% mccain42%

obama and mccain tie but hillary loses:2 sts.46% mccain 46%
43% mcain43%

Now what I want to say is WHO has the better record. Thank you very much Go Hillary good for you!!! OUR NEXT POTUS!!!! Jean

link: http://www.electoral-vote.com/; May 28, 2008 1:47 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Something tells me that the Yammerer is not going away for two weeks. Two weeks would mean he/she/it will be gone until June 10 or so.

However, the Yammerer has been telling us for how many weeks that he/she/it is a delegate at the Texas State Convention? That convention will be held June 6 and 7, or before his/her/its 'two weeks of coast-to-coast travel' are over. No sane person would want to return on the 5th (9 days of travel) and immediately turn around to go to the state convention. Besides, what happens if the travel plans are disrupted, and arrival back home would be delayed. Arrival on the 6th wouldn't be good.

Either he/she/it is not a delegate to the state convention, or he/she/it is not going to be gone for two weeks - in either case, he/she/it is a liar (but does that surprise anyone here?).

Or maybe he/she/it is laying low for a while now that the nomination will be locked down in just a matter of days.

Nah - that last theory doesn't hold, as he/she/it isn't sane enough to keep quiet that long.

Mike; May 28, 2008 1:57 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leahtexas[not]4obama. NO TX IS NOT FOR OBAMA YOU ARE IN LA LA LAND JEAN; May 28, 2008 1:57 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Leah [not] 4 obama
if the DNC makes the rules wouldn't it stand to reason that they can change them. So what you said didn't make fly with me. Jean; May 28, 2008 2:00 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 28, 2008 2:04 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike in maryland there is nothing wrong with my genes it must be Leah's usually she's full of hot air with nothing in between if you know what I mean. OF COURSE I COULD SAY THAT ABOUT MOST OF THE OBAMA SUPPORTERS ON HERE.Jean; May 28, 2008 2:06 AM
CathyNYC said...: I think this is a new one:

http://www.oregonlive.com/commentary/
oregonian/index.ssf?/base/editorial/
121192890383090.xml&coll=7; May 28, 2008 2:07 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Catherine-

Good work!

Now Obama needs only 47 more!

I think it is really only 46 more though because I think the press release on Rodriguez is bogus and we will probably hear tomorrow that Rodriguez is still backing Obama ;); May 28, 2008 2:21 AM
protactinium said...: Obama is missing two of the most important things about running against Republicans.

First is Fiscal responsibility. This is what won over huge amount of "Regan Democrats" They bought into a more efficient government because the Democrats wanted so spend large amounts of cash.

We are now in the opposite positions. Obama has to point out Clinton had a balanced budget then the republicans trashed it. That Republican administration wasted outrageous amounts of cash while neglecting the country.

The other position Obama is missing out on from Mccain is Republicans lied amount WMD. There was no weapons, and now they are barking about Iran might have WMD. Mccain is pushing for a war in Iran.

Obama should really come out and say "I will do everything in my power to stop nukes in Iran, but I wont LIE to you. Obama should hit republican every chance he can't on the fact they lied about the war in Iraq, and that Obama will always be honest with the American people at all times.

Just my opinons wanted to see what people thought.; May 28, 2008 2:23 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Auntie Jean,

So you think the current map at http://www.electoral-vote.com is reflective of what the final results will be in the General Election?

Would you agree that Senator Clinton's strongest supporters (in terms of numbers, not physical strength) are women?

And would you agree that most women would not be in favor of overturning Roe v. Wade?

We've heard over and over and over that a lot of Senator Clinton's supporters (can we presume that a lot of those supporters are women?) will vote for Senator McCain if Senator Clinton doesn't win the Democratic nomination. Would you agree that that proclaimed intention to vote for Senator McCain is reflected in the current state-be-state breakdown on that EC map?

Now reconcile the above with this:
John McCain is solidly pro-life and has been opposing abortions during his whole Senate career. His Website proudly states that he wants to overturn Roe v. Wade and ban abortions. But poll after poll shows that most women do not know this, including women who support Hillary Clinton and say that they will vote for McCain if Clinton is not the Democratic nominee.

Are you and other women who are supporting Senator Clinton willing to cut off your nose to spite your face if she doesn't win the nomination?

I believe that the vast majority of women who currently support Senator Clinton are more than intelligent enough to realize that when the nomination process ends within the next 15-20 days, it will be fruitless and counter-productive to continue the battle.

I also believe that they will eventually realize that a vote for Senator McCain is more than foolish. That act would be close to suicidal for the advancement of the rights of women.

Therefore, I believe that the vast majority of women who currently support Senator Clinton will NOT vote for Senator McCain (even though they currently say they will), and when they decide to vote for the Democratic nominee, you'll see quite a few changes in the map at http://www.electoral-vote.com .

Mike; May 28, 2008 2:27 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: protactinium =

I think that once Obama has secured the nomination we will hear many things that he will say while running up against McCain.

We have to have a little patience.

7 more days to go!; May 28, 2008 2:28 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 28, 2008 2:48 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Protactinium yes there will be AA's that won't vote for Hillary but I think they are smarter than you give them credit. I think there will be more than enough for Hillary to win the GE. Jean; May 28, 2008 2:50 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.; May 28, 2008 2:51 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike in maryland it's not a matter of to cut off our nose to spite our face. It's to save America from the likes of Obama who will change America as we know it and NOT and I repeat not in a good way. That is why we would vote for McCain. Jean; May 28, 2008 2:52 AM
Aunt Jean said...: This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.; May 28, 2008 2:56 AM
Yousri said...: "And please be excellent to one another. We do not accept name calling or any attacks on our commenters. Any objectionable comments will be deleted. Try to be civil.

Thanks!"; May 28, 2008 2:57 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Yousri -

Good evening to you :)

Obama got another superdelegate. The info is on the SD comment page but no one has added it yet ;(

We're getting close now, there is excitement in the air ;); May 28, 2008 3:00 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Aunt Jean,

Many times you've stated that Senator Obama will make (unnamed) changes. Please list the possible changes you fear he will make.

If you can't list possible changes, then what is it you fear?

Mike; May 28, 2008 3:01 AM
Yousri said...: Leah,
Good evening to you too, actually good morning here.

I was planning to go and wake Matt up and ask him im to add the super, but I said nay. Let him sleep.

Just kidding. This will have to wait until the morning ;-)

Thanks; May 28, 2008 3:04 AM
Aunt Jean said...: Mike in maryland it has nothing to do with his race. Why is it when someone says anything neg. about obama, obama supporters always think it's about him being AA, part AA, or whatever. IT"S NOT REPEAT NOT REPEAT NOT REPEAT NOT.Jean

Yousri I don't think that it was right for you to delete my post except the last line so I omitted it. I'm tired of the rude remarks and sly remarks that some people put on here and you do nothing. I've been called some nasty names on here and sly words that somehow I'm a racist just because I won't vote for Obama it has nothing to do with his race it's the man himself.I can't seem to get that through to some people on here.; May 28, 2008 3:05 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Matt is sleeping at a time like this! Oh my goodness LOL ;)

Friday night I am going to have to go to bed early so I can get up Saturday morning to watch the RBC on C-Span ;)

For some reason my darn dvr won't record C-Span so I'll have to watch it live.

I have a feeling that we won't be hearing a decision though on Sunday like alot of people have predicted, but ya never know.; May 28, 2008 3:08 AM
Yousri said...: Aunt Jean said..
except the last line

___________
I blog can't let delete one line. So the whole commebt has to be deleted.

If you feel some one croosed over the line against you, please let us know and which post you are refereing to.

I deleted one comment from you and one from mike. Just to let you know!
Thanks; May 28, 2008 3:10 AM
Yousri said...: Leah said ..I have a feeling that we won't be hearing a decision though on Sunday like alot of people have predicted, but ya never know.
__________
I have a strong feeling that they will reach a decision on Saturday evening.
1/2 Vote FL Jan 29 primary
1/2 Vote MI (69-59) split.
And full super vote for both states.; May 28, 2008 3:13 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: I read something earlier this evening that no matter what the RBC decides about how many delegates that they will seat that the magic number was going to stay at 2026. But now I can't remember where the article is ;(
.; May 28, 2008 3:19 AM
Aunt Jean said...: yousri Hillary will never go for Michigan 69-59. He souldn't get any.Or at the very least split his with everyone except Hillary. Jean; May 28, 2008 3:25 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Aunt Jean,

Still waiting for you to give us a list.

Mike; May 28, 2008 3:29 AM
Yousri said...: Aunt Jean said...
yousri Hillary will never go for Michigan 69-59. He souldn't get any.Or at the very least split his with everyone except Hillary. Jean
_________
Aunt Jean, I did not say that Sen. Clinton will accept that. I said that's what I think will happen.

I don't know what the two campaigns will say or do.
I have no knowledge of their strategies.

Thanks; May 28, 2008 3:31 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Hillary already said NO to the 69/59 allocation.

But Michigan it not revising their proposal (as far as I know).

So, I think that more than likely she will have to take it or leave it if the RBC says it is a fair solution.

.; May 28, 2008 3:36 AM
Leah Texas4Obama said...: Hillary's Last Hope

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/hillarys_last_hope.html

.; May 28, 2008 3:44 AM
Booby said...: Hey, why does Hillary always look so freaking weird. At first I thought it was a deliberate attempt by the media to pick out the unflattering pictures, but now I believe that's just her normal look. Remember Chuckie the crazed doll or puppet, it's like Hillary's double. Just ask a little kid-- they know these things--one look at Hillary's picture and most will tell you, " yuck, she's creepy, the creepy candidate.; May 28, 2008 3:51 AM
Mike in Maryland said...: Leah Texas4Obama said...
Hillary's Last Hope

A couple of things struck me about that article:

Harold Ickes -- former assistant chief of staff in the Clinton White House -- is a paid adviser to the Clinton campaign. . . .

And

. . . committee member Eric Kleinfeld's law firm -- Ryan, Phillips, Utrecht & MacKinnon -- is general counsel for the Clinton campaign. Federal Election Commission reports show payments from the Clinton campaign to both Ickes and Kleinfeld's law firm.

And

Records show that Ickes' voter databank company, Catalist, has been paid by both the Clinton and Obama campaigns.

Sounds to me that there is a LOT of conflict of interest on the parts of Ickes and Kleinfeld. And there probably won't be any way available to make sure they are recused from the meeting, thus not involved in the decision because of that CoI.

Mike; May 28, 2008 4:32 AM
Peter said...: Re Mike

They have a conflict of interest, no doubt about it. But the RBC har 28 members from what I know, 13 Clinton supporters, 8 Obama and 7 uncomitted. The 7 is most likely quite loyal to the DNC. I also think most of those 13 Clinton-supporters have a more neutral standpoint than Ickles, so you won`t have 13 members of RBC trying to go through fire for Clinton.
But Ickles, Kleinfeld and probably a couple of others, should NOT be on the RBC. In my opinion people who clearly have a conflict of interest should not be able to participate in such an important decision, especially when we know Ickles would say and do anything for Clinton.
But in all fairness, I think RBC will come up with a relative fair solution, probably a little more pro-clinton solution than it should be but that is ok at this point. Giving Clinton a little bit (10-30 net delegates) more than she should have, is better than her making all kinds of wild claims for months.; May 28, 2008 4:59 AM
protactinium said...: Jean - "Protactinium yes there will be AA's that won't vote for Hillary but I think they are smarter than you give them credit. I think there will be more than enough for Hillary to win the GE. Jean"

So wait let me understand your argument correctly. Women won't vote for Obama, but Black will vote for Hillary? Roe vs Wade is much more important to the feminist movement then anything Mccain wants to do to the civil rights movement.

Hunny, you clearly don't have an understanding of the Black community. They view Hillary as a racist! Does not matter if she is or is not. This is their perception of her. And the same way uneducated white voters "jean" won't vote for Obama because he "scares" them blacks will not show up for Hillary. My best friend(black) is constantly asking me what Hillary really said because he hears "Did you hear that racist thing Hillary said" or "Hillary wants Obama shot" This is the way they see it. Right or wrong.

I have been told by droves of blacks that they simply will not support Hillary, and honestly the way she has conducted herself the last 4 weeks I will most likely never vote for her again period.

However it appears according to Hillarys campaign their votes are worth less.

jean - "yousri Hillary will never go for Michigan 69-59. He souldn't get any.Or at the very least split his with everyone except Hillary. Jean"

Hillary may not have a choice, Obama delegates and Howard Dean people can force it through. Also they have to seat the delegates in half according to a memo today written by Democratic Lawyers. Hillarys attempt to destroy Obama, and possibly the Democratic party is going to result in the destruction of her, and her husbands reputation.

Hillary being the better candidate is a fiction; May 28, 2008 5:07 AM
protactinium said...: anyone else find it odd the Republican hack jobs, like Murdoch, Hannity, Rush, Karl Rove and many others. Geraldine Ferraro is on Hannity talking about how Obama is a sexist. The Democrats should really think about revoking her super delegate status after November. She is getting ready to betray the DNC because her girl simply was rejected by America.

Remember Hillary was rejected by the Democrats. It is only worse in the generals. The Republicans have a vested interest in seeing Hillary self destruct and attempt to kill the Democratic Party.

The true test of Hillarys destructiveness is if she goes independent. I really think she may go this route due to her own selfishness.; May 28, 2008 5:34 AM
suzihussein22 said...: emma-We only got as far as Bredeson's press secretary. Your secret's safe with us for now. he he.

Mike in MD-Okay, you jogged my memory. I was vainly trying to make a funny.

Hippolytus-I like kazoos.

ed iglehart-I see in Scotland we could go wild haggis hunting in them there highlands. Fearsome critters, eh? :)

Protactinium-Way to point out an issue! What happened to our balanced budget?(rhetorical question)

Peter & Mike-re:conflict of interest-Would it be a good idea to email the DNC and let them know we are aware of this info, maybe in a petition format? If I were HRC, I wouldn't want any questions about the final seating.

Aunt Jean-I noticed you got upset again last night, but I want to ask you this sincerely. What would you post to convince someone to vote for HRC instead of McCain in the GE?; May 28, 2008 6:07 AM
suzihussein22 said...: This is something McCain will have to answer to, thanks to the admin. of the last 71/2 yrs.

http://tinyurl.com/6r2s5k

How isolated does the Bush admin. think we can be, think being the operative word in this instance?; May 28, 2008 6:13 AM
suzihussein22 said...: Appeasement v. diplomacy-

http://tinyurl.com/6fker6

This article was almost too serious to read this early in the morning, especially since I wouldn't be able to pronounce some of those names or words.; May 28, 2008 6:20 AM
Peter said...: DNC laywers have analysed the rules and they say a 50% penalty is a minimum. I think we can say that this will be the minimum penalty, because the majority of RBC is loyal to DNC, don`t expect any mutiny.
A 50% cut would mean Obama will be less than 100 delegates away no matter what happens, he will probably be somewhere around 80 delegates away, this would mean Clintons best solution...
I would think he would get something like 10 superdelegates before next tuesday, that would probably put him around 30-35 delegates short of the nomination after PR, SD and MT.

I think we will have 2-3 scenarios at that point.
1. Clinton concedes before superdelegates endorse
2. 30-35 superdelegates endorse Obama, including people like Dean, Pelosi, Carter and others. Clinton would be forced to either concede or "take it to the convention". If she says he she will take it to the convention, I will expect a lot of superdelegates switching from Clinton to Obama to show her that we need to unite and give our support to Obama. I such a thing happens, I would expect CA-supers to be the ones who lead the way.; May 28, 2008 7:00 AM
ed iglehart said...: Yes, Virginia, there is a bird called snipe! It is delicious cooked whole, but requires a very good shot with quick reflexes. They typically rise from marshy grassland and fly away, but not noisily like quail. Thus you need to be both observant and quick as well as accurate. The rule is to "hit before they shit", because if you don't, they'll be out of range...

Just some good old Scottish country lore, folks!
xx
ed; May 28, 2008 7:06 AM
ed iglehart said...: Softspoken,

Regarding the Israelis FINALLY talking to their enemies,

The Gush Shalom website has a banner saying
"Peace is with enemies
Speak with Hamas"
If you click on it, it says,
"all of us will lose"
and another click
"Yes to the green line"
etc.

I'll just point out that even a "green line" solution amounts to an incredible injustice to the Palestinians who will have lost 77% of their homeland to an invading force.

Salaam/Shalom/Shanthi/Dorood/Peace
Namaste -ed; May 28, 2008 7:47 AM
Mug said...: FYI ... In 2006, an amendment was introduced to the Senate that would increase pell grants, increas funds for student aid programs and job training programs. This expense would be paid for by closing 6.2 billiion dollars in corporate tax loopholes. The Senate vote was 50 for and 50 against. McCain and all but two of the other Republicans voted against it. All the Democrats voted for it.

This is the reason why nobody in the middle class should ever vote Republican. McCain voted to protect corporate tax loopholes instead of increasing education benefits. If you look through the government website, you'll see he has sold out the middle class in favor of the rich over and over again.; May 28, 2008 7:51 AM
Anonymous said...: Hi, I'm new to the site, but find it very informative and interesting. There is something that I don't see a lot of discussion about, and thought I could start it up.

I have been voting for 30 years, and never have voted anything but Democrat. It has always appeared to me that this is the only party that an intelligent free-thinking and caring human could logically choose.

I have been a fan of Mr. Obama since his speech at the DNC, where he both inspired and impressed me. In fact I voted for him in my state's primary.
However, watching him, his campaign, and his attitude, I am no longer in his "camp". The reasons are not really important to what I want to address here.

I, and numerous people I have heard from, are now considering not voting democrat for the first time in our lives should Mr. Obama win the nomination. This is not sour grapes since I did not support Mrs. Clinton at any point until now. According to CNN, a large number of Clinton supporters will not vote for Obama in the general election, but a majority of Obama supporters would vote for Clinton.

It appears to me that should Obama win the nomination, the Democratic party stands a chance of loosing the election. Thoughts anyone?; May 28, 2008 8:03 AM
Peter said...: Obama is now 46 delegates away from 2026, this number will change after RBC has had their say, but the number Obama needs to reach 2026 is close to what he will get from PR, SD and MT. The question is if they will announce enough superdelegates to let him get to the "magic" new number after RBC has had their say. I think SD and MT getting him to the "magic" number would be the best possible way to make Clinton end this as quick and as clean as possible. through; May 28, 2008 8:17 AM
ed iglehart said...: Bryan,

Just stick to your principles and vote Democrat. Let others cut their own throats if they wish to. I suspect much of it is just talk.

Surely you're not simple-minded enough to vote for a truly empty suit in the form of McChip?

Best wishes and welcome to the blog
ed; May 28, 2008 8:23 AM
ed iglehart said...: Bryan,

"However, watching him, his campaign, and his attitude, I am no longer in his "camp". The reasons are not really important to what I want to address here."

Au contraire, I think your reasons, whatever they might be, are very relevant to this discussion.

Please illuminate us.
Salaam, etc.
ed; May 28, 2008 8:30 AM
Mug said...: bryangw:

A lot of that rhetoric is due to passive racism. The core of Clinton's supporters are bigots and feminists. The bigots will not vote for Obama because of his race. They do not know, nor do they care, about his politics. Many whites today don't think they are racists. Their problem with blacks "they just don't try hard enough to succeed." They kid themselves that if blacks would stay in school and work hard, there would be no race problems in America. Then along comes Barack Obama, a highly educated, self motivated black man and these people are scrambling to find any reason to hate him. Truth is, many white Americans feel just as threated by a black man with alot of education as they do by a black man with no education. Both are viewed as having the potential to take something away from them. So while they pretend they are not racists, they really just want blacks to succeed only enough so that they don't feel threatened.

As for the feminists, their threat to vote for McCain is an empty one. They may stay home for the GE but they'd never vote for a man who may load up the supreme court with conservatives who in turn might overturn Rowe vs Wade.

More Obama supporters would vote for Clinton because more of those who support Obama really care about the state our country is in. They know that both Obama or Clinton would do a better job as president than McCain but feel that, based on the character that has been displayed by both candidates, Obama is the much better choice.

Does that clear things up for you?; May 28, 2008 8:39 AM
Doc said...: I think a lot of news and DNC members are underestimating what is about to happen this Saturday at the by-laws meeting. HRC's people are looking to send 10,000 plus to demonstrate at the meeting. Counter demonstrations from the Obama camp could swell the total number to 25,000+. The media and the GOP will have a field day. I can think of nothing more damaging to party unity. Perhaps a postponement until after June 3 is in order; May 28, 2008 8:45 AM
Anonymous said...: When I went to bed, the last Obama was Pangelinan, and Obama had 316.5 SDs. I wake up and the count is now 318.5. I also went through the list and Obama has 316.5. Can someone clue me in?; May 28, 2008 8:58 AM
ed iglehart said...: Hanging onto bitterness and resentment

is like eating poison and

expecting somebody else to die.

xx
ed
(from my list of all sorts of quotations); May 28, 2008 8:58 AM
Harriold said...: I am truly puzzled and hope someone can give me some guidance about a conundrum I can not figure out.

Everyone is now focused on the RBC about Michigan and Florida. In Florida, at least there were the two names on the ballot, so one can argue that both candidates had a fair shot at the voters.

But in Michigan, with only one name on the ballot, how can the listed candidate count all of the votes she received and count "0" for the other, unlisted candidate? The last time I remember hearing of this kind of vote counting was during the Stalin era, when the Russian dictator held "elections" and ended up with virtually 100% of the votes!

Can someone please explain this counting logic that gives 100% of cast votes to one candidate and "0" to the other?

Thanks,
Harriold; May 28, 2008 9:05 AM
Anonymous said...: Jellybean, Obama got an endorsement from Waak in Colorado and another from Oregon (don't remember the name); May 28, 2008 9:10 AM
Anonymous said...: von, thanks. First time the count was updated before the names were added, I guess.

Harriold, the only person who could explain the "logic", Yamaka, went on vacation last night. Feel free to scroll back to read his/her scintillating insights.

Or you can go to website of The New Yorker to read their explanation of the "distinctly North Korean" approach that the Clinton camp is using for the Michigan vote.

(Come to think of it, the rest of us also get to be on vacation for a couple weeks.); May 28, 2008 9:28 AM
protactinium said...: Byran why don't you go to Obamas website and read his issues. Then watch the debates.

I am disappointed that you say you have voted for Democrats for 20 years but now suddenly Obama carries himself improperly? I really do not get what Obama has done that no other Democrat in your life has caused.

The only thing I see is that he won't change the rules for Hillary. Most of the sexism and elitest claims are from Hillarys spin machine which is nothing but lies.

Some how I have a problem believing someone who actually is loyal to the party would suddenly sell them out during, when the country needs them most. Anyone who would do that is really not a democrat at all.

And I will enjoy watching all the women, and supposed democrats watch as they lose everything they have faught so hard for. Just because they voted out of anger or racism or whatever other excuse they could use to sell out their own beliefs.; May 28, 2008 9:31 AM
Peter said...: Seriously, she has lost it. Is she stuck in some Sci-fi movie?`
This is HRCs lates claim:

"You have to ask yourself, who is the stronger candidate? And based on every analysis, of every bit of research and every poll that has been taken and every state that a Democrat has to win, I am the stronger candidate against John McCain in the fall"

Well, thats just a big lie and its easy to prove that its a lie. Look here:
Realclearpolitics average nationally:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

Obama ahead, 2,4%
Clinton ahead 1,4%.
Obama does better on AVERAGE than Clinton nationally.

Wisconsin:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/wisconsin.html
Obama does MUCH better than Clinton.
You can say the same thing about New Mexico, Colorado, Iowa, California, Oregon, Washington etc.
YES, she does better in PA, OH, FL, KY and WV. But to say that she does better in every poll that has been taken in every poll democrats need to win, thats just STUPID, a LIE and a completly PATHETIC thing to say.; May 28, 2008 9:43 AM
protactinium said...: peter - "But to say that she does better in every poll that has been taken in every poll democrats need to win, thats just STUPID, a LIE and a completly PATHETIC thing to say."

Oh come on. How many times has Hillary lies and pandered the last 2 months? Is one more lie really a suprise? Remember is all about the Hard working White American in Kentucky and West Virgina who should nominate the Democrat.; May 28, 2008 9:45 AM
ed iglehart said...: McChip heclked - "endless war!" - his response? "We are winning!"

As they say in Scotland, "Aye, that'll be right!"

xx
ed; May 28, 2008 9:46 AM
Peter said...: I agree, she has delievered lies after lies. This is not worse than her other lies.
But, I would think she would cool it down a bit after the RFK gaffe. Why claim to be "ahead in every single poll", when every journalist will find out the truth after a fast check on the net. Does she think journalists are that stupid?

The problem is that a lot of her supporters don`t care about her lies and we need a lot of those supporters in the fall.

The faster she is out, the faster the party can unite and Obama would increase his support in the within the party. Lies like this, makes that process more difficult.; May 28, 2008 9:54 AM
Dr. in Ann Arbor said...: Harriold -

Thank you for bringing up an important point. I'm trying hard to not belittle one candidate for the other, but the contention from the Clinton camp that Barack Obama should only get some small number of delegates from Michigan seems silly. Yes, she DID get more popular votes than Obama, but that's because Obama wasn't on the ballot to GET the votes.

I think the Clintons (beacsue Bill is doing it too) are really disenfranchising (and I HATE that word) us Michigan folks by telling us that we meant to vote for her when, in fact, we most certainly did not...; May 28, 2008 9:57 AM
ed iglehart said...: Obama urges supporters NOT to demonstrate at RBC meeting

As usual, taking the high road.

xx
ed; May 28, 2008 10:06 AM
jpsedona said...: Alas, Yam is gone for two weeks. He won't be here for "THE END". Or to explain why Hillary didn't get the 240 delegates he predicted. Or, to rationalize why she should fight all the way to the convention.

We are likley to hear from him again about why Obama will loose the GE, but his blogging days for Hillary in '08 are likely over.

Oh well, I guess we will struggle along. We still have Aunt Jean's Kitty Power in TX...; May 28, 2008 10:14 AM
Mike Ruth said...: The trouble with Clinton and lying is that she does not know when she is lying. I think she truly believes she has had the same level of "experience" that her husband (the real president) had. I think she truly believed the whopper about sniper fire in Bosnia before she saw the video ("I mis-spoke").
I suspect she truly believes that she's ahead in every poll, and simply turns her gaze elsewhere when confronted with facts.
It's a lot like Bush and his lies, which he appears to believe as he delivers them daily - it's habit forming, too, apparently. Even Bill has shown a bit of this pathology, lately (enhanced by short term memory loss). Her lying might be akin to a disease - from being too close to power for too long and the notion that Bill and she *are* the Democratic party and "if we say it's so, then it must be so", regardless of the facts, video, or other documentary evidence.; May 28, 2008 10:20 AM
greywolf said...: Good morning everyone. There has been much talk about May 31 as to what will happen. I too have wondered the same while trying to maintain a positive outlook. However I ran across an article this morning by Roland Martin whom I have found to be pretty much on most of the time. Attached is a link to his comments today as to how he see it. Very good reading and to be honest this is more than likely the senerio that will take place.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/27/roland.martin/index.html; May 28, 2008 10:33 AM
greywolf said...: By the way what in the heck is with Rodrigus (sp). First he endorsed Hillary, then changes to Obama, then again back to Hillary. This is one messed up DNC. He should stay with Clinton, as it appears he is equally confusing and unballanced.

Other than that I think that some of those remaining Super's need to step up to the plate befor May 31 and endorse Obama. This needs to happen befor this turns real ugly because it is my opininon after everything I read yesterday and this morning this is going to get a lot uglier befor it gets any better. Thanks to a very egotistical and self serving candidate that keeps throwing dellusions of grandure into the race.; May 28, 2008 10:39 AM
greywolf said...: If I remember correctly, with the two endorsements today the number needed should be 44. It was 46 last night after all the endorsements were added, so it should drop 2 more after colorado and Oregon. That is unless something happened that we all know nothing about.; May 28, 2008 10:46 AM
jean said...: Good morning.
This is jean,Not Aunt Jean,from southern california and the water here is fine(even if we don't have a lot of it).
I mentioned before that if the Obama supporters do a counter protest it would be political suicide.
The main concern I have is that it took Obama to make that decision a very long time. It should of been an immediate reaction. This is not him taking the high road, this is using common sense.
The question is "Will the followers listen?"
And hello Bryan.
So sorry that the responses you got for a question was that you are simple minded and that all HRC supporters are bigots and feminist.
I think you just got the answer to your question though.
With that kind of attitude I do not think Obama can win.
You can imagine the response if you do not agree.
jean; May 28, 2008 10:48 AM
Anonymous said...: For BryanGW

My thoughts are that Obama has brought in many new registered voters for the party to compensate. He also pulls more independent and legitimate republicans who will vote for him. I think there will be some Hillary supporters who will not vote for Obama as a penalty for beating her, but more of them will realize after hard feelings die down, he is far closer to Hillary's ideas than anyone else, vote for their own interests and pull the lever for him.

It's hard to discuss anymore without you giving "reasons are not really important to what I want to address here". Perhaps you can tell us who's policies are more in line with your own than Obama's.; May 28, 2008 10:55 AM
protactinium said...: Greywolf that is a good article. It is exactly what is going to happen. Hillary obviously cares nothing the party, and its all about her.

Jean -"I think you just got the answer to your question though.
With that kind of attitude I do not think Obama can win.
You can imagine the response if you do not agree.
jean"

One would hope people vote on issues, and not emotions. Its seems to be a lot of ask for this election. The idea you should not vote for a candidate because something that has nothing to do with him is rediclous.

These are the type of tactics we have seen for Hillarys camp and her supporters all the time. Just shows the true colors of Hillarys Republican up brining.

Win at all costs right Jean?; May 28, 2008 11:01 AM
RobH said...: Hey, I've been off since 10PM last night and just read how Yam has departed for two weeks. Haven't read any reaction, so if I'm repeating something said in the interim, forgive me.

My question: If Yam is going for two weeks (1 @ Cornell, and 1 @ Stanford) how's he gonna make the Texas convention in a week and a half??

Wah? Huh? You mean he was lying all along? Who woulda guessed?; May 28, 2008 11:03 AM
greywolf said...: Florida judge this morning threw out the Law suit against the DNC; stating there was no violation by the DNC, that they have the right to make their own rules. HE stated there was no violation of voting rights against minorities, not any other person.; May 28, 2008 11:11 AM
greywolf said...: FYI everyone... Obama and his campaign did NOT organize the counter protest. He actually had nothing to do with it. The counter protest was organized by those that support him (voters).
So do not confuse this counter protest as being organized and approved by Obama or his campaign staff, as it was NOT.
Where as Hillary and her campaign staff set up, organized and approved as well as has paid for bus transportation, and lodging for those protesters that wanted to participate but did not have the financial ability to pay it them selves. That folks is the difference; May 28, 2008 11:18 AM
jean said...: Re Protactinium

Oh my gosh!
I have stated that Obama will be the nominee.
The math is the math.
Bryan only asked a question.
The attacks for a question are just wrong.
Pablo was quite civil but so many Obama supporters are so rude.
Elite is the only word that comes to mind.
I have serious thoughts because of the nominations of the Justices but My confidence in Obama is low that he can accomplish this.
obama's experience is low and he is a extreme liberal. The nominations need to be approved.
It is the Obama supporters that will bring Obama down due to their actions.
The initial reaction of being attacked continuously is "screw it".
If this discourse was at a work place everyone would be fired.
Obama supporters supposedly have a higher education etc.
I have two degrees, so what.
If they are so intelligent perhaps civil discussion would be the answer instead of attack.
I thought the objective was to get a Dem as president.
Being obusive to an open mind that asks a question will not get that vote.
Sorry, to much common sense.
jean; May 28, 2008 11:21 AM
michael from Minesota said...: protactinium said above.
"Geraldine Ferraro is on Hannity talking about how Obama is a sexist. The Democrats should really think about revoking her super delegate status after November."

Just a note that Ms Ferraro is NOT a super delegate.

I haven't seen any mention of this but they did hold a primary yesterday in Idaho and Obama carried 56% against 38% for Clinton. Link: http://www.sos.idaho.gov/elect/results/enr/statewide_total.html

That is a healthy 18% margin. Just as a note no delegates are assigned by this contest it is just a beauty contest. But there have been comments that Idaho might have been having second thoughts after thier earlier caucus. Guess Not!; May 28, 2008 11:25 AM
Peter said...: Re Jean

I agree that i counter protest is not a good idea, but i kind of react to your bias here. Why do you "attack" the counter protest and not the original protest?

I think the original protest is the worst thing here. I think it is a wise move from Obama-campaign to try to stop a counter-protest, but I would like to see Clinton-campaign do the same, somehow I have my doubts about that.; May 28, 2008 11:28 AM
protactinium said...: Jean you proved my point. You will not vote on issues just emotion. For such an educated voter you think you would do whats right for the country.

As for Obamas extreme liberal positions you must have a short memory.

The term was used by the vast "right wing conspiracy" against the Clintons. Obviously you will just take up any talking point.

I really hoped this election people would vote on issues and not their own personal baggage. But I was wrong. Republican in the end of the day are right a lot of the time.

Republican are team players and good at the process. They attack the other candidate personally to make people dislike them, and they know people are typically too stupid to figure out the issues.

Obviously once again Hillary supporters are proving the Republicans right. By not being team players, and doing whatever they can to harm their own candidate.

However I am starting to truly believe Hillary is doing all this to run as an independent. Hillary cares nothing for the Democratic party and has made that abundantly clear. The faster the democrats get away from the Clintons the better.

Bill costed Al gore the election. Bill costed the democrats the house and senate. Now Hillary is trying to cost Obama the election. Democrats have paid way to much to have them in their party.; May 28, 2008 11:32 AM
jean said...: Re Peter
The objective is to get Florida and MI counted.
Without these states the Dems cannot win.
HRC will not win.
She is using her resources to get these states in the Dem pool for November.
of course she wants the best possible scenario for herself but the DNC will decide that.
Whether Obama supporters like it or not they need her support to win.
Obama is not stupid. He will have a speech soon that will make him smell like a rose, if he uses common sense.
The DNC has trully handled this situatin poorly from the beginning.
How could they think this would not blow up later.
jean; May 28, 2008 11:37 AM
Peter said...: A new SUSA poll from MI.

This is the first of 7 polls where McCain is ahead, 6 of these are crucial swing-states. Obamas number is probably influenced by the unclear MI/FL delegate situation.

VP-polling at this point is not very accurate because a lot depends on recognition etc. But, McCain has a 4% advantage in MI.
SUSA only use Romney here, three Obama tickets is trailing by single digits. Gore, Clinton and Edwards, Edwards is the best again, the margin is 3%. This is the seventh SUSA poll where Edwards-Obama is the best democratic ticket.; May 28, 2008 11:38 AM
protactinium said...: Micheal I actually had to look it up. I guess she is not. I must have gotten confused because people are wrongfully saying she is. This is a common myth so thank you for pointing that out.

Well then I am glad to see the DNC done with her. She has become a Republican television goblin.; May 28, 2008 11:39 AM
billyjay66 said...: greywolf

"I think that some of those remaining Super's need to step up to the plate before May 31 and endorse Obama."

Boy that is the truth. The headline yesterday about Obama banking three dozen supers just made me cringe. The more he can score before PR the closer he is to the clinch.

Also, by releasing a wave of three dozen, that could generate another. Or break loose the California switchers if that is not part of the first wave.

Also it is a bigger victory if he clinches with the last primary without and needs no additional superdelegates to "put him over the top" and a little extra margin would help. e.g. with no more supers at all it would be a squeaker to get 46 purely out of the primaries. At least another 10 or so should put him up to 2035-40; May 28, 2008 11:40 AM
protactinium said...: jean - "The DNC has trully handled this situatin poorly from the beginning.
How could they think this would not blow up later."

Because Hillary and her people assumed she would easily be the nominee. The aragonce that lead to her demise.; May 28, 2008 11:41 AM
Unknown said...: Mug -- on your 7:51 comment

That's what I don't understand about most republicans. They tend to vote against their own interests.
That's why when you see their constituencies, it's usually rural, less-educated middle class, or poor people. They also attract the majority of the rich, which makes sense, because they're the business owners, they're the ones who opt for lower federal taxation.; May 28, 2008 11:44 AM
Peter said...: Re Jean

You didn`t answer my question. Why do you "attack" the counter-protest idea and not the original protest? The original protest is not just against DNC it is against Obama and is a divisive protest....

I agree, DNC is partly to blame here put first of all the ones responsible for moving MI and FL are the ones who should recieve the most blame here.

Neither Obama nor Clinton should get any blame her. I think the biggest problem here, is that Clinton is trying to put a lot of blame and negativity towards Obama, that makes uniting the party more difficult. She has lost no matter what happens on saturday, if she had the party and us winning as top priority she would lessen her attacks a bit. Blaming Obama for this mess, is just wrong and don`t do any good at all.

Both Obama and Clinton wants those delegates seated. Clinton is not the "saviour" here at all.
But you also need some form of punishment here, because we don`t need a similar situation in the future where states move there primary ahead of schedule.; May 28, 2008 11:45 AM
stopOBAMAnow said...: Hello there:

I have been reading a lot on this site!

Only today I ventured into diving into the water!

My opinion is this site is infested with more of Obamaniacs than others.

Anyway, here is my take on this Nomination of the Democratic Party.

Till recently, I used be a member of the Party; lately the Party has moved away from me. Last two years, the Democrats rule the Congress, but nothing has really happened about the War or the Economy. The approval rating is about 18%, while Bush gets 28%. In 2006, Americans gave a chance to the Dems to do the right thing. But nothing happened. Pelosi and Reed are as useless as any other politician in Washington DC.

Coming back to the Nomination:

1. Obama is the least known guy in the heartland of America. He is known among the Blacks and college kids, some "college-educated" crowd. That's it.

2. His tenure at IL Legislature shows that he was a very liberal politician mostly voting with the villains and not the victims in crime & punishment.

He is for income and wealth redistribution, rather than creating new wealth in America.

3. His experience in and understanding of the ways of how US Govt works are very paltry and very lacking: he started campaigning just after 6 months in the US Senate.

4. His lack of understanding of the foreign policy and National Security matters make me feel that America will be worse of with Obama.

5. His friends are very Far Left Liberals like Kerry, Kennedy and Carter.

Therefore, America must Stop Obama Now.

America needs a well known well experienced Leader to lead the country during a very turbulent times of our Union.

Stop Obama Now.; May 28, 2008 11:46 AM
jean said...: RE Pro
Obama signed off also.
The DNC should of never allowed it.
How can they justify trying to win in November.
Again,again, again, HRC will not get the nomination.
Can you open your mind that a correction NEEDS to be made.
The DNC will do it. Not HRC.
If HRC was winning it would have to be done.
This is not emotion talking.
It looks like your emotion talking.
jean; May 28, 2008 11:51 AM
RobH said...: jpsedona @10:14,

Yam is not gone for two weeks.
He's a lot closer than you think.
Read on....

"bryangw"

Welcome aboard. I hope you'll respond to some of the solicitations you've received this morning to expand on your reasons for concern.

I confess, I read, and re-read your post, trying to determine 'what discussion' you were really hoping to start. You say you're a life long Dem, originally impressed by BHO, but now you've lost enthusiasm for him. But since you won't say what has caused this, we're left with a mystery.

Then you tell us you're not a fan of that "Million Dollar Gal", but really ask no question.

If the conversation you hope to start is "why will 'numerous people you've heard from' (your wife and daughter, perhaps?) consider voting not democratic for the first time?"...then perhaps you can ADD to the conversation by sharing with us the details behind your lack of satisfaction with our eventual nominee.

Here's looking forward to hearing back from you - and with the strongest wishes that your arguments and positions have more meat on the bones than some recently departed(?) contributors.; May 28, 2008 11:52 AM
Keryl said...: He/she/it is baaaaaack. Yam, if you kept it a little shorter it might not be so obvious.; May 28, 2008 11:53 AM
protactinium said...: "Again,again, again, HRC will not get the nomination.
Can you open your mind that a correction NEEDS to be made.
The DNC will do it. Not HRC.
If HRC was winning it would have to be done."

Jean you drinking that kool-aid?

Obama signed off on an agreement. For him to get the undecided in Mi, and fl delegates to be halved.(The same thing the DNC lawyer said was the mininium)

So what is Hillary doing? organizing a protest and demanding she get all the delegates and Obama from MI, and to get the full delegates in FL. and nothing else is expectable. She wants to take this to the convention.

Obama is trying to solve it. Hillary is the problem.; May 28, 2008 11:55 AM

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