Sunday, November 23, 2008

If you voted for McCain and Franken your vote got challenged

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Unbelievable...

Posted by Oreo at 2:18 PM

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KarenAnne 67p · 853 weeks ago

Well, let's hope a lot of the Coleman challengers are like that and the judges are ethical :-)
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anon · 853 weeks ago

That is unbelievable...
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chad · 853 weeks ago

Well I actually agree with coleman. Lets just assume that everyone that voted for John McCain meant to vote for Coleman, and Everyone that Voted for Barack Obama meant to vote for Franken.

How many votes did Obama win minnesota by?
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Leah 85p · 853 weeks ago

Coleman must know he is going to lose if they are pulling a stunt like that.
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ahoff48 · 853 weeks ago

The standard is intent ascertained from what the voter indicated on the ballot, clearly not hypothetical intent. Blank votes and votes for a candidate from the other party can not and will not be attributed to a candidate based solely on the presidential vote. Otherwise, there would just be voting for parties, not individuals.
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Tokar 20p · 853 weeks ago

Wow, what a joke. I don't think Coleman understands that in the MN paper ballot system there is no party line button or lever or whatever. Each voter actually has to choose a candidate for each elected office. I think people who chose McCain and Franken did so on their own volition with proper intent...ya know, if Franken was the top circle (which is where McCain was) then I could see a possible argument that the voter just filled in the top circle for every office without reading the representing party, but Barkley was the top circle.
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bonncaruso 37p · 853 weeks ago

MN's liberal approach to ballot appeals is however part of the problem here. If you are too lazy or too dumb to fill out the whole ballot, then tough luck, imo

Remember those 3,000+ nice jewish senior citizens in FL who (HORROR!) voted accidentally for Buchanan in 2000, just because it was not easy to ascertain exactly where to punch your chad?

But this kind of thing from the Coleman campaign is no surprise. They are, after all, republicans.

I suppose next time the republicans will wanted signed affadavits from people who don't vote the party ticket, just to make sure they really wanted to vote for the other guy....
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tmess2 70p · 853 weeks ago

A lot of the process in Minnesota flows from the decision in Bush vs. Gore and the rules of HAVA.

The lesson taught by the opinions in Bush vs. Gore is that decisions on disputed ballots need to be made by one body of decision-makers based on standards set forth in advance. Minnesota's standards aren't that different from the standards of other states. The one thing that all of the states have in common is that the people making the voting device don't get to narrowly define a valid vote as one that the machine reads as valid.
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uplandpoet 69p · 853 weeks ago

you know i am all about the voters intent and i am a very partisan democrat and i hope franken wins, but i am amazed at the people who cant seem to take their ballot serious! i dont mean dems or republicans, i mean all voters.
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Miller · 853 weeks ago

This is probably good news, if the election judges aren't stupid or crooked. These ballots will go to Franken, and if they make up the bulk of the Coleman challenges, this election will swing our way... provided that the Franken campaign isn't challening Obama/Coleman votes the same way.
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Thad_Moore 13p · 853 weeks ago

If these end up being a large portion of Coleman's challenged ballots, I think Franken will be headed to DC.
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Peter Zenger 62p · 853 weeks ago

These so called challenged ballots are absurd. My company has an office in Minnesota and I was talking with someone there the day before the election. She was so upset by the tone of the campaign that she said she wasn't going to vote in the Senate race. I don't know how she was voting on the top of the ticket, but keep in mind that this disgust was bipartisan. I remember reading about a lot of "undervotes" in some DFL strongholds. It is quite possible that a lot of Obama voters also chose not to vote for the Senate race.

Regarding the McCain/Franken split... I am speechless. Folks split their ticket all of the time. In Nebraska in 2000 George Bush (R) and Ben Nelson (D) both won. These types of challenges insult the intelligence of anyone involved in the recount process.
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26376 66p · 853 weeks ago

I know someone (in a state with no U.S. Senate race this cycle) who voted a straight (R) ballot this election except for voting for Obama/Biden. He said afterwards that he expected his ballot to be flagged for investigation. I was incredulous that anyone would think that way, though apparently I should have been less so.
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26376 66p · 853 weeks ago

Fillmore  100  100    4,770  -1    4,614  -15    14    27    3

The video says the ballots challenged there are in Fillmore County. The row of the STrib's table for that county is copied above; it shows 27 Coleman challenges (of which we saw 9 in the video, 7 McCain/Franken and 2 McCain/Abstain), and Franken at -15 votes based on the recount.
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Edjoe · 853 weeks ago

Here in Iowa we also use paper ballots which are scanned ( there are marker machines for those with disabilities that convert their choice to the paper ballot). We also have the option of voting a straight ticket, although there is a lot of ticket splitting for legislative and local races. We had a local recount here in a contest for State Senate which was initially won by the Democratic candidate before recount by 14 votes with his margin extended to 22 votes after the recount was completed. It was done under court supervision pursuant to state law and without any problems.
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