Friday, November 21, 2008

Minnesota Recount - Play Along

WE'VE MOVED! Democratic Convention Watch is now at http://www.DemocraticConventionWatch.com

You can check the latest numbers on the recount here, and we'll move it up later in the day after they've done some more counting out in Minnesota.

Until then, you can play along, courtesy of Minnesota Public Radio.

Make your selection, and then see how others voted on whether to accept or reject challenged ballots.

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Richard Johnson · 854 weeks ago

I went thru the process of judging the examples of actual challenged ballots and agreed with he majority on all except one. In almost all
cases, the majority judgment was huge: usually 80% or better. IMHO if these are typical of the challenged ballots in general, then the
"correct" decisions will be pretty obvious.
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1 reply · active 854 weeks ago
I disagreed with the majority on the "arrow" one. While Franken had his circle completely filled in, having a very dark circly connected by a line going to the Coleman circle makes it unclear. I voted "neither" on that one.
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i think most of the voters are franken supporters, it is hard to be fair when you have a dog in the fight...
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What do people think about:

day 1 ballot 3 way outside bubble. I need you need to see the rest of ballot. If there are no other outside the bubble marks, no vote.

day 2 pencil I can see someone using a pencil if the pen ran dry, but what do they mean by improperly duplicated?
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I am hoping that the campaigns will have a chance to review and withdraw some of the challenges because it looks like different challengers are using contradictory standards.

I don't see how you can claim that putting "lizard people" in the write-in slot but not filling in the bubble is not an overvote (ballot 1-5) while also claiming that putting "Bachman" in the write-in slot without filling in the oval is an overvote (ballot 2-1). (By the statute, it looks like both are overvotes, but either both are or neither is.)

Likewise, I don't see how you can claim that a dot in the Barkley oval is as much a vote as a filled-in Franken oval (ballot 1-8) while also claiming that a filled-in Coleman oval trumps a partially filled-in Franken oval (ballot 1-7). (I think Coleman gets ballot 1-7 but Franken gets ballot 1-8).

I would have ruled in Franken's favor on 10 ballots and Coleman's on 5 giving Franken 5 votes and Coleman 3 votes.
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Looking at the ballots, most of the challenged ballots look like relatively easy calls under the rules. Having said that, it is clear that not all the counting teams are applying the same rule in the same way.

The two that look like the hardest calls are ballot 2-3 (the X factor) and ballot 1-11 (the underline, though I would call it the scratch-out). On the X factor, what drives my view of the ballot is that it looks like the only oval with an x through it is in the Senate race. That too me indicates an attempt to "cancel" the vote for Coleman. On the underline, I think it looks more like trying to scratch through the vote for Franken (leaving the vote for Coleman) as it starts at the center of the oval and goes mid-way through Franken's name before dropping down.
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I suspect in about 11 days at the present rate of 3% a day
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1 reply · active 853 weeks ago
Looking at it again, several counties don't start until Dec. 3. It will seem to go on forever.
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Looking at the number of precincts remaining in 8 of the 11 counties in the process of counting, it looks like most are on pace to finish by next Wednesday. You have 11 counties starting next week, 2 on December 1st and 4 on December 3rd. They are all supposed to be done by December 5th. (Fifty-nine counties are already done, so I assume that the counties waiting for December 3rd are confident that they can handle their count in three days.)
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Why does the Secretary of State's website list both Franken and Coleman with a pre-recount total of about 1,040,000 when all the national media results I have heard put them around 1,211,000?
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1 reply · active 852 weeks ago
The national media are probably wrong. The lizard people probably have those missing 171,000 votes.
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Actually, it depends how you are doing the count and they both are doing the count differently.

The Secretary of State is giving the count solely from the precincts that have been recounted so far. So its "pre-recount" number is the number from only some of the precincts.

The news media is using a number that adjust the original total count by the changes from the precincts which have been re-counted so far. There number is what the final count would be if there were no changes in the precincts still to be counted.
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