Saturday, July 12, 2008

Veepstakes – July 2008

WE'VE MOVED! Democratic Convention Watch is now at http://www.DemocraticConventionWatch.com

In our DCW final, Kathleen Sebelius beat Wes Clark 2:1. Not all that surprising, considering the comments, and considering she is no longer denying that she is being vetted.

Now, DCW is one group of people. Wes Clark won over at CQPolitics.


Over on MSNBC, it looks like the final round (which Chuck Todd has announced will begin on “Tuesday, July 14th”) will be Joe Biden vs. Hillary Clinton.


SUSA has done a bunch of head-to-head match-ups in various states, and often John Edwards comes out on top.


Back in March, the Washington Post had a poll showing none of the current pick faves (except Hillary if you go with MSNBC) with any appreciable traction.


A lot of it has to do with who is answering.
But a lot of the reality of who will get chosen depends on a number of factors that poll respondents (whether answering “professional” polls, or self-selecting on the internet) don’t necessarily consider.

First, Obama is going to leave in a bit for Europe and the Middle East. It will be less important how he is received there, than how Americans view how he handles “the world”. Will he overcome the Brandenburg Gate issue? How will he be received by the troops in Iraq? If he comes home “presidential” that changes the dynamic of the VP slot.


A really large question has to do with the HRC supporters, and whether Obama needs the “I won’t vote since Hillary’s not on the ballot” voters, and whether he can actually capture them. If he determines that he cannot win without her supporters, she’s on the ticket. If he determines that putting her on the ticket loses him more Republicans and Independents than he gains in her base, she doesn’t make the cut. (Rumor has it that she is not officially being vetted, per Howard Wolfson.) The question “Does putting a woman on the ticket make Hillary’s voters more or less likely to support the ticket?” hangs in the air.

For now, we have the DCW answer. If you have on-going comments are the situation evolves, you can always use the Open Thread - VP link on the left menu bar.

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Stick to the economics! The wholesale robbery of the small man for salaries of the wealthy, especially oil. Pound that into the ground. Whatever happened to price controls even Nixon did that. Minimum wage and living wage should be same.(12/hr) Corporate taxes tied to the ratio of highest paid/lowest paid employee (no more than 35 to 1) all compensation included. Go back to pre Reagan tax rates for incomes over $200,000.Tell people how much we spend on war vs. education vs. foreign aid vs. scoial security etc. increas top wage for Social security
to 1,000,000 with increasing percentages.
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In the midst of the Hillary/Obama fight, I also wrote, that I thought Sebelius was a good choice, "Hillary lite". I am not so sure. I am little startled that the polls between Obama and McCain are so close. I am little startled over all of Obama's perceived flipflopping. I in no way advocate Hillary, as I don't think that she would be all that helpful. To me, McCain has looked like a doddering old fool, yet the polls are close. It would seem to me that McCains past marital (1st marriage) infidelities, how he met Cindy (and her history), his own overblown military history and his Bush like stances, might make things really difficult for him, yet still the polls are close. Why isn't Obama pulling away in the polls? I want him to CLOSE THE DEAL!!
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Obama hasn't "closed the deal" for 3 reasons:

1. He has not attacked John McCain directly (and Gramm's "whiners" would have had others ALLLLLL over it)
2. The MSM is completely disinterested in slapping McCain around, or even presenting the truth about him (except Olbermann, Maddow, and Abrams on MSNBC) and therefore, most people don't know because THEY DON'T READ.
3. It's EARLY yet and people honestly have not made up their minds, and Obama is giving them time to view him. I think the strategy is to stay above the fray, go to Europe, give people time to decompress before the Olympics and then go into autumn mode.
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Independent Voter · 874 weeks ago

Actually McCain and Obama have recently gotten into a battle through radio ads. Here is Mc"Needs A"Cain's ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkXZNvjAKGA

And here is Obama's ad in response: http://s4.video.blip.tv/1480004139606/Tpmtv-Obama...
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SarahLawrence Scott · 874 weeks ago

Obama has really impressed me with his ability to plan and act for the long term (which in a political campaign means more than two weeks ahead). He is much more disciplined than I would be! :D He was initially a longshot in the primaries, but he and his team came up with a strategy that would let him win a squeaker--which is what happened. In the general election, he's the favorite, and my sense is he's playing for a big win.

The "internals" for McCain are terrible. His voters are less enthusiastic and less certain. He's steering to the right, and it's costing him in the middle (http://www.gallup.com/poll/108775/Fewer-Americans...But if he steers back toward the middle, it will cost him on the right. If you look at, say, the RCP graph of poll numbers over time, you'll see that Obama is holding steady, while McCain has lost support. (I'd actually say that Obama appears to be gaining a little, with each high on the graph being a little higher than the previous one, but it's very subtle.) If Obama's holding steady and McCain's losing, what does that mean? It means that McCain's support is very soft, and people are flipping between him and undecided (with perhaps a few looking at Barr). Even if those undecideds break for McCain 80 to 20, it will only leave the election close.

Is Obama's "move to the center" hurting him? I do see that the fraction of voters who view him "very favorably" has declined a bit in some polls, and that's probably some hard-core supporters furious about things like FISA. But the groundwork he lays now to appeal to the center won't really pay off until after Labor Day, when the undecided independents begin taking a close look at the candidates, and any "flip-flop" nonsense will seem like old news.

I understand the desire to see him "close the deal," but he doesn't want to peak to soon.

In the mean time, we stay energized. We really have to commit ourselves to this campaign. It's possible, if things go badly, that it may end up very close. If things go well, how exciting (and good for the country) would it be to see Obama win places like Texas or South Dakota? Let's do what we can to make it happen!
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The tight poll numbers, Obama's 'inability to close the deal,' and his perceived unmanliness will all change soon.

The poll numbers are already starting to show Obama's substantial lead, 'closing the deal' only happens on election day (think about when he was running against Rodham Clinton and reports said he couldn't do it) and his 'move to the center' is over-hyped and over-reported. If he says nothing he's an elitist ('he doesn't care about the common man'). If he supports 527s and other issues he's attacked as too liberal, but when he introduces himself to more voters, he's said to be 'moving to center.'

McCain had months headstart, he should have a double digit lead yet he doesn't. The race ends in November, I trust Obama to run a strong campaign.

And the attacks on him because he doesn't jump all over 'whiners' is silly. He'll pick his time to re-introduce McCain's minions' foul-ups. Who cares if he's physically strong, his job is to be President not Mr. Olympia.
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If anyone thinks that Obama is 'unmanly' or doesn't have muscles then they haven't seen the photo of him in his swim-trunks at the beach! http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2...
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Here's a better link to a bigger photo of Obama at the beach topless!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/postph...
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It really is ridiculous how the MSM, which has become remarkedly full of conservative feces, will not call McCain on his BS. The fact that Obama of all people is being accused of Flip-Flopping, but we flagrantly ignore how McCain has Flip-Flopped on EVERYTHING, makes me honestly worried. The level with which the media has manipulated the truth is terrifying to say the least, and I can't believe that Obama is not getting blown out of the water when everything bad thing about him is reported and every good thing about McCain is reported, and the rest gets lost in the woodwork, says a lot about him. If people get even marginally informed, then November will be a blowout for Obama.
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Chad - I am pretty sure that FoxNews and CNN is not reporting much on the McCain flip-flops but MSNBC is doing a pretty good job of talking about McCaiin's flip-flops and mis-statements and gaffes. Guess it all depends on which channel you watch. And I don't know if you'd consider Huffington Post MSM but they do one heck of a job at exposing McCain. Now we just need a few more TV stations like MSNBC and we'd be doing a lot better ;)
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